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In Case You Don't Like Romney... A Challenge To Every FReeper
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Posted on 06/13/2012 2:03:43 PM PDT by MindBender26

In Case You Don't Like Romney...

Columnist Andrew McCarthy gives us what probably is the most important question regarding the upcoming presidential election …

“If Romney wins the nomination, as seems very likely, I will enthusiastically support his candidacy. For my friends who may have hesitation on that score, I’d just ask you to keep four things in mind:

1.. Justice Scalia just turned 78

2.. Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year

3.. Justice Breyer will be 76 in August

4.. Justice Ginsburg turned 81 about a week ago and has had cancer twice.

Whoever we elect as president in November is almost certainly going to choose at least one and maybe more new members of the Supreme Court — in addition to hundreds of other life-tenured federal judges, all of whom will be making momentous decisions about our lives for decades to come.

If you don’t think it matters whether the guy making those calls is Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, I think you’re smokin’ something funky….”

So for anybody who is thinking of not voting because your favorite didn’t get nominated, or writing in a candidate who can't win ... just imagine this possibility:

'SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ERIC HOLDER'

Did that get your attention!


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To: COBOL2Java

People like Pelosi are why many people are so put off by religion. And likewise people like the abo types are no different.

Running around saying “I’m a conservative!” and then going out to vote for a documented liberal REGARDLESS OF THE REASON makes people thing “hypocrite”.

And why shouldn’t they? You can’t be ‘a little pregnant’. This isn’t some minor little thing. This is central to our whole philosophy. The concept of voting for a man with Romney’s record is a conservative thing to do is absurd. But there’s a parade of ‘conservatives’ doing that very thing. So what other core belief will be compromised next?

I’m so tired of this crap. So few people left have any integrity. And they just make excuse after excuse.


1,051 posted on 06/16/2012 4:29:53 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
I’m so tired of this crap. So few people left have any integrity. And they just make excuse after excuse.

Sometimes I fear the frog on the pot is just about cooked.

1,052 posted on 06/16/2012 4:49:07 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Norm Lenhart
I’m so tired of this crap. So few people left have any integrity. And they just make excuse after excuse.

Sometimes I fear the frog in the pot is just about cooked.

1,053 posted on 06/16/2012 4:49:42 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Fine,

Romney sucks.

Obama sucks more.

Do you really see Romney making our borders completely open as Obama is?

Do you see Romney favoring illegal Mexican border crossers over US workers?

Do you think Romney would have forced the military to welcome gays?

Do you think Romney would have favored the unions over investors in the Chrysler bankruptcy?

Do you think Romney would have tried to stop Boeing from opening a non-union plant in South Carolina?

Do you think Romney would have given 500 million, JUST LAST WEEK to a former ACORN officer?

Solindra?

Van Jones?

Sotameyer?

Black reparations?

Jihadists in the WH?

Bill Ayres anywhere?

Corpse-men?

Michelle... no, I'll be kind....

Reducing the military to the status where they will not be able to defend us?

Abandoning Israel?

Abandoning the freedom forces in Iran?

Supporting the Arab Spring (Radical Islamic Revolution?)

Supporting OWS?

Ask yourself one question? What will Obama do when he isn't worried about reelection?

It's fine to discuss Romney as an intellectual exercise. As the candidate of the party that is supposed to be more Conservative, he sucks.

But, who do you want as President, Romney or Obama? Every vote, including yours, will help put one of them in office.

If you think is doesn't matter, remember Florida in 2000 and the people in 2008 who said, “McCain is no conservative. Sit home or elect Obama. How much damage can he do in 4 years?”

Now we know!

Romney may suck as a conservative, but Obama is trying to destroy America. It's that simple.

1,054 posted on 06/16/2012 4:52:01 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: COBOL2Java

I really want to believe (Call me agent Mulder ;) that there’s still hope. But I don’t really. Most Republicans and ‘conservatives’ are anything but. They sold out the country with ‘compromise’.


1,055 posted on 06/16/2012 4:54:53 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: xzins; Jemian; SoConPubbie; cripplecreek; P-Marlowe; MindBender26; Alamo-Girl; betty boop

I would respectfully ask all your reading of 1054.

PS, no Romneybot here. I maxed out to the conservatives in the primary.


1,056 posted on 06/16/2012 4:57:35 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: MindBender26

“Romney may suck as a conservative, but Obama is trying to destroy America. It’s that simple. “ So abandon everything you supposedly believe in and vote for him. Your call.


1,057 posted on 06/16/2012 4:57:35 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
My answer is in my tag. Without an America, where will I exercise my beliefs?

Obama will make my beliefs illegal.

As an example, he will most certainly appoint SCOTUS judges who will say the 2d Amendment applies to “organized” National Guard only. Good bye firearms.

1,058 posted on 06/16/2012 5:02:04 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: MindBender26
Romney may suck as a conservative, but Obama is trying to destroy America. It's that simple.


1,059 posted on 06/16/2012 5:02:53 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I’m not going to share their blame. They know what Romney is and they can carry that burden all by themselves.


1,060 posted on 06/16/2012 5:07:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: South40
These people are not conservative.

Come on, some of them surely must be seriously conservative.

1,061 posted on 06/16/2012 5:07:57 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: MindBender26

America? You jest. You are voting for an America where Gsy marriage is legal, illegals are welcomed and a list of other Romney home runs.

That’s the America you want? You are welcome to it. I’ll vote for the one the founders created.

And it’s up to our congressmen to ensure we get it. Not ignore the tyranny of the King.


1,062 posted on 06/16/2012 5:08:05 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: cripplecreek

Yes and notice how they squirm like libs caught with a blue dress trying to redefine what conservatism is.

Gotta ease that aching conscience I guess...


1,063 posted on 06/16/2012 5:11:09 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

It’s very simple. Romney or Obama will be elected:

I’m voting for the lesser of two evils.... to try to help prevent the greater of two evils.


1,064 posted on 06/16/2012 5:13:25 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

There doesn’t appear to be much talk about pushing Romney to the right anymore either.


1,065 posted on 06/16/2012 5:15:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MindBender26

So do it. Just stop lying to yourself that you aren’t throwing away everything you ‘claim’ to believe in to do it. If that bothers you so terribly, you might want to ask yourself why.


1,066 posted on 06/16/2012 5:15:54 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: CharacterCounts
That depends on one's definition of conservative.

altura, for example, said she would support gay marriage. That, in my mind, is not conservative.

She, and others, also support mitt romney, the man who argued that he was more liberal than Ted Kennedy; the man who said he would "fight for a woman's right to choose".

As I said, it depends on one's definition of conservative. But mostly, using the conventional definition, they are liberals.

1,067 posted on 06/16/2012 5:16:26 PM PDT by South40
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To: cripplecreek

They KNOW he’s going hard left after the election and still voting for him. Tells you what kind of people they are doesn’t it? I really wish they’d drop the drama and just admit what they are.

Come out of the lib closet as it were. I mean, right wingers don’t vote for libs do they? So they can’t be that...


1,068 posted on 06/16/2012 5:19:18 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

It was all I could do to choke back my bile and vote for McCain. I never dreamed the GOP would be dumb enough to double down.


1,069 posted on 06/16/2012 5:22:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

True. And I never dreamed so many would support them for doing it.


1,070 posted on 06/16/2012 5:24:32 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: South40

I should have added a sarcasm tag, as I was referencing how Romney has become seriously conservative.


1,071 posted on 06/16/2012 5:28:34 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: CharacterCounts

Then you know that whomever you vote for who doesn’t have an R or D beside their name will be in the list of losers.

Look, I don’t like where we are at. I wish we had a good candidate who was viable but we don’t. If it is the half black Zero versus the white Zero, one of them will win. If you add a conservative or moderate 3rd party to the list, the odds swing towards Zero. I’ll take my chances with the devil that I don’t know rather than the one that I do.


1,072 posted on 06/16/2012 5:28:34 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: Norm Lenhart

In 08 I said that RINOs are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum who would happily throw a race to say “We told you so” only to run someone even worse next time.

McCain lost and they’ve spent the last 4 years blaming Sarah Palin and us filthy conservatives.


1,073 posted on 06/16/2012 5:30:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CharacterCounts

No worries. I knew it was sarcasm. My post was not for your consumption only. There are some here who actually believe they can support a pro-gay, pro-abortion liberal and still be conservative. As if.


1,074 posted on 06/16/2012 5:34:32 PM PDT by South40
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To: PoliticalArsonist
If you add a conservative or moderate 3rd party to the list, the odds swing towards Zero.

And you have 100% certainty as to what that would entail, right? There are a lot more possibilities than what you have been fed by the GOP-E. I won't repeat them here because they have been posted ad nauseam on FreeRepublic.

1,075 posted on 06/16/2012 5:34:50 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: PoliticalArsonist

And the point of my post was to advise you that you are going to be presented with the same type of situation 4, 8, 12, and 16 years from now. As long as you let the GOPE manipulate your vote, it will.


1,076 posted on 06/16/2012 5:36:27 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: cripplecreek

“they’ve spent the last 4 years blaming Sarah Palin and us filthy conservatives.”

So have half of the ...ahem...’conservatives’...what a coincidence....


1,077 posted on 06/16/2012 5:36:27 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: MindBender26

I’m smellin’ a lot of “if” comin’ off your post...


1,078 posted on 06/16/2012 5:37:31 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: PoliticalArsonist
It's time to work to make Romney the third party spoiler.
1,079 posted on 06/16/2012 5:39:34 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: CharacterCounts

Fear not! For when the GOP runs the team of Jessie Jackson and Ed Schultz, they will all be there with bells on because the dems will have ‘someone worse’.


1,080 posted on 06/16/2012 5:40:22 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: CharacterCounts; All
And the point of my post was to advise you that you are going to be presented with the same type of situation 4, 8, 12, and 16 years from now. As long as you let the GOPE manipulate your vote, it will.

Have you ever noticed how these ABO people are a lot like the gambling addict who keeps going back to the casino because he's just sure that his luck has to change? He never, ever figures out that the reason he doesn't statistically win is because the games are rigged against him from the onset.

Only a fool continues to play and lose at a rigged game. Time to change the game, even if it tips over the GOP-E's apple cart.

1,081 posted on 06/16/2012 5:43:01 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: MindBender26
Do you really see Romney making our borders completely open as Obama is? Yes. They already are and Romney won't change that. He backpedaled yesterday.

Do you see Romney favoring illegal Mexican border crossers over US workers Yes, part of the problem is business community seeking cheap labor

Do you think Romney would have forced the military to welcome gays I posted his interview from December in which he promoted gays in the military

Do you think Romney would have favored the unions over investors in the Chrysler bankruptcy? His cronies are just different cronies

Do you think Romney would have tried to stop Boeing from opening a non-union plant in South Carolina? His cronies are just different cronies

Do you think Romney would have given 500 million, JUST LAST WEEK to a former ACORN officer? His cronies are just different cronies

Solindra? His cronies are just different cronies

Van Jones? His cronies are just different cronies

Sotameyer? His judicial appointees were pro-abortion liberals

Black reparations? No, but his romney-bots are just different people

Jihadists in the WH? No

Bill Ayres anywhere? His cronies are just different cronies

Corpse-men? He's not spent one second in uniform

Michelle... no, I'll be kind.... Ann has many cadillacs

Reducing the military to the status where they will not be able to defend us? That depends on whether he ends the Afghan operation

Abandoning Israel? No, I understand he and Bibi are personal friends

Abandoning the freedom forces in Iran? Yes, it will not be front burner

Supporting the Arab Spring (Radical Islamic Revolution?) Depends on his SecDef and SecState

Supporting OWS? His cronies are different cronies

1,082 posted on 06/16/2012 5:51:24 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: COBOL2Java

Given the history of success of any third party winning the WH, I will say that with 99% certainty. So yeah, a different outcome is possible, just highly unlikely.

I despise the GOP even more than I do the Dems. They present themselves as the good buys but are complicit in destroying the nation and I don’t expect miracles from Romney. To me, his only worth is in removing Obama. Even if the policies are the same, Obama must not be rewarded with a 2nd term.

You have a different viewpoint than I do but that is limited to the best way to achieve the same goal. I am not the enemy. I opposed Romney every step of the way. If you have an alternative, please tell me. Who is it that you think could beat the 2 presumed nominees? Not who you would like to see win and not who you think would be a good president. Please tell who can win in a 3 way race and make your case with 100% certainty. Thank you.


1,083 posted on 06/16/2012 5:54:18 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: cripplecreek; Norm Lenhart
There doesn’t appear to be much talk about pushing Romney to the right anymore either.

Funny, that.

"Be not deceived; evil communication corrupteth good manners." (I Cor. 15:33)

Or, to put it in secular terms, if you lie down with dogs, you're gonna get fleas.

1,084 posted on 06/16/2012 5:56:17 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Have you ever noticed how these ABO people are a lot like the gambling addict who keeps going back to the casino because he's just sure that his luck has to change? He never, ever figures out that the reason he doesn't statistically win is because the games are rigged against him from the onset.

Every four years the GOP Establishment stands there grinning from ear-to-ear, like a greasy Bugsy Siegel, and throws their latest liberal candidate in our faces.

1,085 posted on 06/16/2012 5:56:17 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Yash, I can only disagree with this point. I will say they are not conservative or christian for the obvious reasons that one cannot do something contrary to the very core of conservatism and christianity respectively, and still logically claim to be those things.

I don't know if I'd go that far. Even Lot was a genuine believer, though we only know this because God had to specifically *tell* us that was the case in II Peter...

1,086 posted on 06/16/2012 5:58:50 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

We weren’t there to see Lot and his actions. We ARE here to see the ABO voters and their empowerment of anti-christian policies like abortion, gay marriage ect. I don’t see voting for a man who openly supports that any differently than a man that would spit on a Bible. In the spiritual sense there’s no difference. Each is an outright denial of God’s teachings. So what else can one call one who does that? I do not see how ‘christian’ applies.


1,087 posted on 06/16/2012 6:05:26 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Various are the pleas and arguments which men of corrupt minds frequently urge against yielding obedience to the just and holy commands of God.

-George Whitfield
1,088 posted on 06/16/2012 6:10:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: PoliticalArsonist
You have a different viewpoint than I do but that is limited to the best way to achieve the same goal. I am not the enemy. I opposed Romney every step of the way. If you have an alternative, please tell me. Who is it that you think could beat the 2 presumed nominees? Not who you would like to see win and not who you think would be a good president. Please tell who can win in a 3 way race and make your case with 100% certainty. Thank you.

Reader's Digest Version

One of the two will win. If Romney wins, he'll most likely be a one-termer, because five minutes after he's sworn in, Chuck Schumer (who is next year's master of ceremonies for the inauguration) will run to the cameras and declare "It's Mitt Romney's economy now!"

Obama and the Democrats have laid enough land mines in the economy for everything to explode in the next 12 to 18 months. The Republicans will be blamed for it. Bohener and McConnell will probably still be in the leadership, but they'll be severely disinclined to go against the head of their party. Things will be very, very, bad for the Republicans. In 2016, the message the Democrats will spout will be "See? We TOLD you!"

If Obama wins, he'll be a lame duck, with hopefully a Tea Party-energized Republican House and Senate (with more in 2014). They'll work hard to stop him at every turn, LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING THESE LAST TWO YEARS. The GOP will have a much better chance in 2016.

1,089 posted on 06/16/2012 6:10:38 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: CharacterCounts

Please tell me who your candidate is.

Your words are the words that I have used for 40 years so they are not new to me. However, I truly believe that this is our only shot at buying time to get another chance for a good candidate unless you have some miracle candidate who can win and reverse the course we are on.

I truly want to know. I am not trying to be antagonistic.


1,090 posted on 06/16/2012 6:16:58 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: MindBender26; Norm Lenhart; xzins
Obama will make my beliefs illegal.

Then we are on the edge of a Revolution. Will you stand for that?

Obama has no more power that WE THE PEOPLE allow him to have.

1,091 posted on 06/16/2012 6:21:14 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: MindBender26; Norm Lenhart; xzins
Obama will make my beliefs illegal.

Then we are on the edge of a Revolution. Will you stand for that?

Obama has no more power than WE THE PEOPLE allow him to have.

1,092 posted on 06/16/2012 6:21:39 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: P-Marlowe

Why should they? It’s just one more belief that can be tossed away. They have conclusively established that belief only matters at certain times and under certain circumstances. So really, what’s one more? When you toss core principles out the door, there’s not a lot left to stop one from just applying situational ethics to any situation so rationalizing this one away should be a piece of cake.


1,093 posted on 06/16/2012 6:31:35 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: P-Marlowe; MindBender26; Norm Lenhart; SoConPubbie; cripplecreek; Yashcheritsiy
Obama will make my beliefs illegal. Then we are on the edge of a Revolution. Will you stand for that? Obama has no more power than WE THE PEOPLE allow him to have.

The Declaration of Independence preempts the US Constitution.

God given rights preempt any attempt to catalogue them by a written declaration.

1,094 posted on 06/16/2012 6:31:45 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: PoliticalArsonist
I haven't decided who l will vote for yet, but it will be for a true conservative.

What I don't understand, why so many ABOs are so quick to jump on Romney's bandwagon. It seems to me, if a person were truly ABO, the wouldn't be for Romney yet, but would make up there mind in late October.

Posters saying they are ABO, are really not, since the A stands for anybody, but they only support Romney

1,095 posted on 06/16/2012 6:42:17 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: xzins

Frankly I thing a lot of conservatives and FReepers need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask if they’re really comfortable with who they’ve become.

I see them saying things like they want the Holder investigation or the Fort Hood shooting trial to last long enough to become campaign issues. Justice be damned, they want to win at any cost.

The cost is just too high for me.


1,096 posted on 06/16/2012 6:54:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek; Yashcheritsiy
-George Whitfield

Now there was a man of God, along with John Wesley.
1,097 posted on 06/16/2012 7:04:02 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: cripplecreek

They have become what they used to hate.

In the last several months I have seen support for gay marriage and euthanasia, border fence advocates told they want dead Mexican kids, Men called perverts, Palin called everything under the sun including one very specific ‘implication’ she was a prostitute and a bunch more.

Funny, that’s just what they say on DU.


1,098 posted on 06/16/2012 7:07:33 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: MindBender26; betty boop; xzins; All
Thank you all so very much for sharing your insights!

Abandoning Israel?

Abandoning the freedom forces in Iran?

Supporting the Arab Spring (Radical Islamic Revolution?)

Indeed.

Marantha, Jesus!!!

1,099 posted on 06/16/2012 7:46:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Norm Lenhart
You justifiably knock people for calling Sarah Palin names.
But here's an earlier comment from you (and I'm sure there are many worse:
People like Pelosi are why many people are so put off by religion. And likewise people like the abo types are no different.

Running around saying “I’m a conservative!” and then going out to vote for a documented liberal REGARDLESS OF THE REASON makes people thing “hypocrite”.

And why shouldn’t they? You can’t be ‘a little pregnant’. This isn’t some minor little thing. This is central to our whole philosophy. The concept of voting for a man with Romney’s record is a conservative thing to do is absurd. But there’s a parade of ‘conservatives’ doing that very thing. So what other core belief will be compromised next?

I’m so tired of this crap. So few people left have any integrity. And they just make excuse after excuse.

Sarah Palin is a strong ABO’er and will be voting for Romney. So according to your own words, Sarah Palin is:

‘No different’ from Nancy Pelosi.
A ‘hypocrite’.
‘Absurd’.
‘Has no core beliefs or integrity’.
‘Makes excuse after excuse’.

And it sounds like you would be voting for Sarah Palin if she was the candidate. Boy, imagine what that makes you! ...every other R candidate is supporting Romney also. So who was your candidate, genius?

1,100 posted on 06/16/2012 8:00:46 PM PDT by bramps (Newt was the one, but Romney will do.)
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