Skip to comments.In Case You Don't Like Romney... A Challenge To Every FReeper
Posted on 06/13/2012 2:03:43 PM PDT by MindBender26
In Case You Don't Like Romney...
Columnist Andrew McCarthy gives us what probably is the most important question regarding the upcoming presidential election
If Romney wins the nomination, as seems very likely, I will enthusiastically support his candidacy. For my friends who may have hesitation on that score, Id just ask you to keep four things in mind:
1.. Justice Scalia just turned 78
2.. Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year
3.. Justice Breyer will be 76 in August
4.. Justice Ginsburg turned 81 about a week ago and has had cancer twice.
Whoever we elect as president in November is almost certainly going to choose at least one and maybe more new members of the Supreme Court in addition to hundreds of other life-tenured federal judges, all of whom will be making momentous decisions about our lives for decades to come.
If you dont think it matters whether the guy making those calls is Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, I think youre smokin something funky .
So for anybody who is thinking of not voting because your favorite didnt get nominated, or writing in a candidate who can't win ... just imagine this possibility:
'SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ERIC HOLDER'
Did that get your attention!
I was under the impression that you wrote the above.
I certainly did write that. It does not say what you tried to characterize it as. If that’s to be your methodology, have nice day.
From a FOXnews story:
“Last November, Romney promised that, if elected, he would model his Supreme Court nominees after Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito.”
Who are you trying to kid?
Unfortunately, with Romney, one has to stop right there.
God used the murderer Saul of Taursus and turned him into a mighty powerful tool.
He will use whom He uses. Please let it be a sinner like me!
You made my point about Reagan. He CHANGED from being pro-choice to being pro-life.If everyone thought like those here now attacking Romney, then Reagan would never have been elected President. I wouldn’t want to be betting my last dollar that Romney is sincere in his convictions as he says he is now pro-life and against gay marriage. But I am certain what Obama is. I’m also certain that Romney will do better for the economy than Obama. I’ll let God deal with him if he’s lying about the other issues.
Gosh Norm, there's only you and about a hundred other Freepers who are "pure" now....
Who’s my former Idol?
If you mean Perry, he was never my idol but I supported him and I still do.
If you mean Romney, he was never my idol. I was for Palin, then Perry, then Gingrich.
And, yes, I’m still hurt and astounded by the Perry abuse that happened to a good man on this forum, but it has nothing to do with my current posts which are all about getting rid of Obama.
How ironic that you would use the term ‘magical thinking.’
Magical thinking is that someone will swoop in and get the nomination.
Magical thinking is feeling that by not voting for Romney, you are making some sort of noble statement that will be heard round the world. All it will do is give Obama a chance to win.
I am allowed to state my opinions, which you call spewing my crap.
Life is not hard for me. It is good. I’m not consumed by hate and vendettas.
Actually "fake" might be a bit strong.
It says "This account has been banned or suspended".
Fact is.. it has.
It isn't now, but it has been.
Reagan put actions to his words AFTER being elected president. Thank God he was given the chance.
Reagan WAS NOT pro abortion.
Did you even read about the law, why he signed it, how he was misled about the medical information.
However, why does it matter anyway Romney promotes abortion and that doesn’t bother you.
I’m not trying to kid anyone.
I’ve stated over and over that I love Free Republic and that I wish it would return to its former glory.
If you can find a post saying I hate Free Republic, good luck.
You’ll have to go back to another dimension.
You insulted Freepers, You insulted the owner and you insulted the site calling it "weird", with a Jim Jones Mentality, and called it an insane asylum.
You are a liar and a fraud.
(Posted by altura, May 16, 2012)
"Jim R. never posted or interfered much back in those days. I have totally lost respect for him because it's obvious that his pathological hatred of Romney has caused him to lose all perspective and he would actually rather see Obama win than Romney. I am convinced of that. And now the site is just weird. I checked it out yesterday. Very few threads of general and political interest were started. Most of those had 2 to 20 replies. On the other hand, the threads of the inbred idiocracy just kept going on and on up to 700 posts with the same people saying the same thing. I really think a Jim Jones mentality has set in over there".
(Posted by altura, May 4, 2012). "I was pleased when I saw the truce thread, but it turned out to be bull stuff.
It's exactly the same there. I think Jim was indicating that he wouldn't zot in the hope of getting more contributions. Their contributions haven't moved a dollar in a week.
But I scanned the thread and it's the same old BS. You cannot reason with those people and it's sickening to try. By the way, I am using my screen name from over there, maybe it was a mistake but it's done now and at this point I don't really care what the insane asylum does about me.
Lake, Please explain how any of those people, you or I can vote for a lib and still claim we hold to conservative values. I’m waiting for an explanation no one seems able to provide. Why?
Because one cannot, regardless if they are popular, or have a conservative talk show. Logic and critical thought lead to that simple conclusion. Sure it’s sounds radical and insane. But can you honestly, logically deny it?
I hate being on the opposing team to you Lake, after fighting the PDS wars together, but it is what it is.
Good men don’t back illegals by opposing effective means to stop them, nor pull his guardasil crap. He got the treatment he earned through his actions.
I was upset when I posted that stuff and, in truth, had forgotten all about it.
I’m not a liar and a fraud. I was talking about Free Republic not some other site.
If you’ve been insulted as much as I have for simply stating the truth, sometimes you need to vent.
I have always respected Jim. He started this site way back in about 1996 and it eventually became Free Republic and became world famous for being an intelligent, conservative site.
I mourn that it has lost that standing because of people like you.
You dominate every thread and insult those who disagree, however mildly.
The 105 of you who work tirelessly to elect Obama and point out flaws in his opponent are truly of Jim Jones mentality, so I stand by that.
I contributed in the last pledge drive and will do so in the next one, but it took two months to reach the goal last time. Why do you think that is?
Stop worrying about me and worry about yourselves.
You need help.
Magical thinking is what you just displayed yet again. You also have a nasty habit of attempting to rewrite history. But your post history does not lie.
Even when shown your own words you spin like a liberal.
Sick, sick puppy.
CharacterCounts? Your post #916 is a keeper, I’m pinging the Boss since it refers directly to him.
Nice work FRiend.
I feel sorry for those whose faith is so weak. But they chose this path. They will likewise reap their rewards when Mitt goes total lib. Then come here to tell us they really didn’t support him with their vote...again.
Romney promotes abortion and that doesnt bother you.
‘Promotes’ implies current action. Just how does Romney currently promote abortion? And do I even deep down believe him? No, I think he’s a political animal first before anything. Given that, his actions as president are far more likely to result in less abortions than Obama as Romney hopefully would seek to satisfy a conservative base (especially with supreme court picks). You can throw out your juvenile insults, but in fact it is your action that will likely lead to more babies being killed with 4 more years of Obama.
But there was a challenge to prove this before asserting it, so I felt it necessary to post it again.
What we have in office right now is so radical, so destructive, so anti-American that even voting for a non conservative is the right thing to do. Getting rid of this administration is the right thing to do, even if it means a RINO squish. It's also true that many here believe that Romney is the same as Bambi, that's so delusional, so far from the truth, so beyond reality it's staggering to me.
Here's another reason why: We need to put forth our best effort to get more conservatives elected to the house and senate, hopefully taking the senate as well. If you actively work against the GOP nominee, you will with unintended consequences work against those conservatives who are running. Conservatives do not have their own effective party, and trying to pretend we do is a fairy tale of epic proportions.
If you work against Romney you not only have the wicked horror of giving the most destructive administration ever another four years, you hurt the down vote inadvertently. I know some of you purists don't understand that, but it's a huge reality. Hint: There are NO conservative democrats, the only conservatives in congress have an (R) behind their name. That should be a clue for you.
These are the reasons all those ex candidates who are conservative that we supported have thrown their support behind Romney, it's because the alternative is unthinkable.
“And do I even deep down believe him? No”
What can be said to a man who is willing to vote for a candidate he openly admits does not believe? Nothing constructive. Because reason is not in their mental arsenal.
We see and understand your position. Please respect ours.
There seems to be a cognitive disconnect between what you have posted on your forum page and what you post on the forum itself.
My question to you Matchett, is how do you explain your support for the Abortion Rights Advocating; Homosexual agenda promoting; Socialized Medicine Implementing Romney with the Moral Absolutism supporting stuff on your forum page such as the following:
A moral relativist, by definition, makes up his own moral truth as he goes along; basing his changable ideas of right and wrong on the situation.
Moral relativists are the biggest danger to the undermining of our Constitution because the Constitution was only put into place to guard ABSOLUTE (UNchangeable/self-evident) moral truths. It is a meaningless document otherwise.
"Subjectivism about values is eternally incompatible with democracy. Subjectivism leads to tyranny. The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral order which overarches both ruler and ruled alike.
We and our rulers are of one kind only so long as we are subject to one law, but if there is no law of nature, the ethos of any society is the creation of its rulers, educators, and conditioners, and every creator stands outside his own creation. ~ C.S. Lewis - The Abolition of Man
Is there something going on beneath the surface there?
Could it be that you Fear another four years of Obama more than you fear the wrath of God?
I understand you are a Calvinist. Do you not believe that God has already ordained who he has chosen for us to be our president for the next 4 years? And just as Calvinists preach the gospel to those who will never be saved because it is God's command to preach the gospel to everyone and God will choose his elect from among them, isn't it God's will that you follow your conscience when you vote and that you vote consistently with Biblical Principles rather than out of fear?
Surely you don't support Romney as a Constitutional Conservative. Surely you don't believe he is the kind of leader that you believe will lead this nation back to it's Constitutional moorings.
The big HOPE for Romney is that he will salvage our weakened economy. Like the days of Clinton (It's the economy, stupid) are we as a nation willing to sacrifice our principles on the alter of Economic Prosperity? Or are we ready to do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may.
I suspect that less than 1% of the population will follow my example and vote for a Constitutional Conservative in this election. Romney will win the election not because he is a conservative, but because so many people are in fear of Obama that they will sacrifice their principles to push him over the top. He will probably win the election, but not with my vote. I assume he will get yours.
Most of the posters here know I respect them and vice versa, you might notice we're not calling each other names.
Lake, I understand you perfectly. But your logic comes down to replacing one total dictator opposed to ‘our’ beliefs with a man who has shown the very same pathology that just hasn’t been elected yet. That is insane.
Sure Zilch is the worst thing ever in that office. But you look at the actual governing record of MR and he’s done perhaps different, but no less destructive things with the power he held. So you think giving such a man will transform him into something ‘we’ can handle? He hasn’t let anyone but Mitt Romney guide him thusfar...other than political donors.
Sorry Lake. That ‘logic’ does not wash. You do not replace one evil with another.
altura and Obama share something in common. You aren’t supposed to point out her actual words, just believe the BS designed to cover them up.
Take a run through her post history. There’s tons more of her saying one thing and denying it later. Especially when it concerns the subject of Rick Perry and the crew that went scorched on any who opposed him. Statements, excuses and attacks on those who bring it up.
The degree of destructive capacity between the two is a gulf so large it cannot be crossed.
Do you think Mitt would have done what Bambi did today with immigration? Do you think Mitt wants voter fraud on the scale it is today? Do you think Mitt doesn't believe in free enterprise (aka capitalism)? In every issue you and I believe in their is a chasm between him and Bambi, even if we don't like how liberal he is.
There is a huge gulf of difference between the two, and to not recognize that is to believe some irrational and delusional things.
Romney's government health care provides $50 to free abortions. (current)
Romney appointed pro-choice judges to his court, they are still serving. (current)
Romney said Roe v Wade should be overturned and left to the states, so that makes me pro-life. (2011)
Romney supports stem cell research. (2004)
Romney said abortion should be kept legal, safe and rare and will honor that commitment. (2002)
Romney said I am committed to preserving abortions rights. (2002)
Romney whether you are for abortion or not is relevant, the individual should decide. (1999)
Romney said is a debate with Kennedy that he was more pro-choice than Kennedy. (1994)
Romney was applauded by plan parenthood for his pro-abortion stand. (1994)
Romney is not pro-life, never has been, isn't now.
“Do you think Mitt would have done what Bambi did today with immigration? Do you think Mitt wants voter fraud on the scale it is today?”
The ‘gulf” like when he got caught covering up his illegal lawn crew ‘because I can’t be seen with that” or whatever crap excuse he gave?
As I said, the difference id the fact he has not been elected yet . Before holding the office , Had Obama done anything either? No. But once he GOT that power, he did.
Yes MR is a capitalist. I’ll give him that. He also holds beliefs and positions that put him totally at odds with his own party platform and the conservative right.
Add that to a man who keeps switching positions as the wind blows and that gulf isn’t wide at all. That’s not irrational, that’s cause and effect.
Cause: Elect a man no one can trust with a record of liberal governance
Effect: Sit in slack jawed wonder when he governs to his history.
So America tanks in a different way and I’m supposed to help cheer that? Nope. There are conservative candidates. It’s up to us to vote for them. Period. And if the country disagrees, that’s not my fault. I will have voted for what’s right.
I understand the hate and the fear that people have for Zilch. He is a step short of the devil himself. But I do not, cannot understand what makes otherwise rock solid conservatives lose their freaking minds and abandon everything they believe in just to be rid of him
Riddle me this Lake, If you have to give up everything you believe in just to win, what was the point of fighting to begin with? At that point your country isn’t your country anymore.
Seems pretty mindless to me.
You must have me confused with another poster. I’m not sure why you replied to me saying this. It seems not to fit me.
Yes, the difference is we know Bambi, we know his whole administration is filled with mind numbed destructive Marxists, they have reeked destruction and will continue to do so if we let them get reelected.
You don't have to convince me that Romney was our worst candidate, nor do you have to convince me he isn't conservative, but you do need to face the fact that the answer is to give Hussein Kardashian the boot. We can't afford not to.
The rest is hyperbole.
My concern is that Romney and a Republican Congress (which will have a very difficult time opposing a Republican President) will institutionalize a lot of what is going on in this administration.
I wish there were real promises made by Romney that he would reduce the EPA and oppose any form of National Health Care and many other things, but thus far he has given little reason to trust he would do such things.
The way for Romney to win over conservatives is to make another contract with America addressing these concerns.
If you were running for office, would you make damn sure you did not hire illegals/through a service or whatever? That’s not silly, that’s common sense. But it was his reaction to it. “I can’t be seen”, not that he had any problem with it.
He has no record of being a hawk on immigration. Nor did he do squat to stop illegals in Mass that I ever read about.
Vote for what you feel is right Lake, and so will I.
Wonderful post, PM. I too am a Calvinist and you have articulated rather well one of the strongest reasons for my decision to vote conscience and not fear this election: God is the one we all have to answer to, and he’s in complete control. There is some passage in the Scripture that describes it, something to the effect that when men plot against God, you really can’t call it a conspiracy, because it’s really just so much hot air. That’s not a direct quote, but you get the idea. God will do what he wants among the inhabitants of the earth, and no one can stop him. He only asks that we do what’s right, and hold tight to him when the storms rise. That’s my plan, and I’m sticking to it.
Here is another way altura is liberal. Below are direct quotes from her.
Neither of my children are gay and both are very good people, but I can envision a scenario in which I would support gay marriage if one of my children were gay and wanted to marry.
I think support is the operative word. A lot of people don't care but are okay with it. So, even though I am not fervently opposed to gay marriage, I really don't care.
altura is a pro-Romney liberal if there ever was one.
I regret posting that and have asked the Mod to remove it.