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Women Don't Belong in Ranger School
Wall Street Journal ^ | 6-12-12 | Stephen Kilcullen

Posted on 06/13/2012 3:41:24 PM PDT by kingattax

The United States Army is debating whether to admit women to Ranger School, its elite training program for young combat leaders.

Proponents argue this is to remove a final impediment to the careers of Army women. But the move would erode the unique Ranger ethos and culture—not to mention the program's rigorous physical requirements—harming its core mission of cultivating leaders willing to sacrifice everything for our nation.

The Army's 75th Ranger Regiment traces its roots back to World War II, when it won acclaim for penetrating deep behind Japanese lines. Founded in 1950, Ranger School teaches combat soldiers small-unit tactics and leadership under extreme duress. It pushes men harder than any other program in the Army's curriculum.

Competition to attend the course is fierce, with about 4,000 men eligible to attend each year. Only about half graduate. Of those, only 20% make it through without having to retake various phases.

For decades, completion of Ranger School has been the best indicator for determining which young men can handle the enormous responsibility of combat leadership

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To: kingattax

They already allow homosexuals and muslims. Why not women too?


301 posted on 06/16/2012 7:25:55 AM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: CodeToad

It was a joke.


302 posted on 06/16/2012 7:48:23 AM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: CodeToad
It was a joke.

Sort of like this:

The teacher gave her fifth grade class an assignment: Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it. The next day, the kids came back and, one by one, began to tell their stories. There were all the regular types of stuff: spilled milk and pennies saved. But then the teacher realized, much to her dismay, that only Janie was left.

"Janie, do you have a story to share?'

''Yes ma'am. My daddy told me a story about my Mommy.

She was a Marine pilot in Desert Storm, and her plane got hit. She had to bail out over enemy territory, and all she had was a flask of whiskey, a pistol, and a survival knife.

She drank the whiskey on the way down so the bottle wouldn't break, and then her parachute landed her right in the middle of 20 Iraqi troops.. She shot 15 of them with the pistol, until she ran out of bullets, killed four more with the knife, till the blade broke, and then she killed the last Iraqi with her bare hands.”

''Good Heavens,” said the horrified teacher. “What did your Daddy tell you was the moral to this horrible story?”

"Stay away from Mommy when she's been drinking."

303 posted on 06/16/2012 8:00:15 AM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: SkyDancer

I’ll take that as an admission that there’s not a chance in Hell you’d ever spray-paint any part of him.


304 posted on 06/16/2012 8:26:50 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SkyDancer

It’s pretty obvious most of your other absurd little stories are jokes, too.


305 posted on 06/16/2012 8:28:40 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: thefactor

RLTW ping...


306 posted on 06/16/2012 8:29:56 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: SkyDancer

“It was a joke.”

It wasn’t presented as a joke. Don’t piss on my leg and try to tell me it is raining. You’re not the first little kid that came here trying to build a tough guy persona.


307 posted on 06/16/2012 10:16:59 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: fireman15
I seriously doubt whether there are more than a handful of women in the entire country who would even be interested in going to Ranger School. The thing that I object to here is mischaracterizing the women who have served and are currently serving our country right now.

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The only "mischaracterizing" that's going on here is yours.

308 posted on 06/16/2012 10:26:19 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: kingattax

Boy are these girls going to be disappointed.

309 posted on 06/16/2012 10:26:50 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: trisham
My sister-in-law retired after 27 years in the military. I have another close female friend who retired recently as a Colonel after 25 years. I mentioned in the thread that I put together a slide show for the funeral for our friend Colonel Vera Jones who was the first Woman Marine officer stationed in Vietnam. We will be participating and showing it again when she is remembered at the National Cemetary near where we live this next month.

This thread is filled with people telling stories of woman screw-ups in the military and even in a fire department. I personally know many women who served in the military honorably and professionally who were very competent. The attempt has been made here to paint them all with the same ugly brush and all because of the threat that the brass might open up ranger school to women. It is doubtful that many, if any women would even bother to attempt such a thing. I just don't like the direction this thread has taken with many people berating all female service members.

I would appreciate it if you would point out what “mischaracterizing” that I have done. I am not sure where you are coming from.

310 posted on 06/16/2012 11:43:50 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15
The attempt has been made here to paint them all with the same ugly brush and all because of the threat that the brass might open up ranger school to women. It is doubtful that many, if any women would even bother to attempt such a thing. I just don't like the direction this thread has taken with many people berating all female service members.

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I don't see that the direction of this thread is "with many people berating all female service members". This thread is about women in Ranger School. Not women who serve in supportive roles.

By the way, my mother was a U.S. Navy WAVE in WWII. I'm very proud of her, partly because she wasn't in the business of denying physical realities, unlike some on this thread.

311 posted on 06/16/2012 11:58:39 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: kingattax

MSNBC is reporting the pentagon is considering modifying the Ranger patch to read Rangerettes directly under the traditional Ranger name, but in slightly smaller letters.


312 posted on 06/16/2012 12:13:06 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: fireman15
Thank you for your very interesting post. Your wife has a fascinating career. The older I get the more I appreciate history. And the history of the American woman from pre-revolutionary times to the present is amazing. I'm used to the Ansel types. Luckily for me I have always been in a position to ignore them. They could never touch me because I was always better than the mediocre types and the excellent types (good fortune on my part) always recognized my hard work and abilities. It just annoys me that the mediocre types want to shut out the talented ones.


It somewhat surprises me that there are such antiquated opinions towards women in the Military. Presently with such high unemployment the Military can be very selective. Where I am in total agreement with possibly a majority of posters here, are quotas. I am against quotas. There need to be standards and those standards need to be met. If they are not met, then those candidates are not qualified. Now determining what those standards are and how to apply them can get political.


Having said all that, usually Military personnel are up on history. You would think they know how tough certain types of American women can be. For example, the Pioneers and indentured servants were the 1st Frontier Community Organizers. They were amazingly brave, tough, willful and in many cases successful. You mean to tell me now, all of a sudden a certain type of American Woman could not handle wars especially a war against the Jihadist culture? Especially when the Jihadist culture is such a threat to everything that is American including American Womanhood?

But here is may caveat. When I am talking about “a certain type of American Women”, I am talking about those who are not motivated by Free Education but by the challenge. And like you said there most likely would be just a handful of such women who are that motivated to be all that they can be, Rangers.

Yup, I'm paraphrasing the old Army slogan. : )

313 posted on 06/16/2012 1:16:22 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: CodeToad

I’ve run into too many people like you here. All uptight. Chill. If you’re having a tough time, then stay out of my kitchen.


314 posted on 06/16/2012 1:31:36 PM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: rlmorel; fireman15
“But because there are deadly aspects of warfare carried out by 98 lb. women in clean clothes in air conditioned rooms, we are all forgetting that if our GPS goes away, our satellites go away, our precision munitions go away, our stealth airplanes and helicopter gunships go away, warfare will suddenly become very primitive. It may end up looking like Omaha Beach, Peleliu or Chosin.

And at that point, the composition of the units in the fight is going to be very important, and it will be too late to do anything about it.”

1. I don't know too many 98 lb, women, unless you are talking about anorexic models.

2, You do realize women survive war, including civilian women who were victims of the very personal Allied bombings (nothing like watching liquid fire flowing down the air raid stairs in your direction, or buildings blowing up as you are collecting food and water, or Russians looking at you and saying, “Komm hier Fraulein.) and the Russian Occupation of Berlin. Gee, wonder how that happened? Be careful with your response, female members of my family will come after and I don't think the Marines will save you. ; )

3. As long as the Military weeds out the pansies and allows the American Trooper to be the American Trooper there will be hell to pay.

BTW, I think this little gal proves my point. Go Airborne!

http://www.emtcity.com/topic/11487-19-year-old-female-medic-receives-silver-star-in-afghanistan/

315 posted on 06/16/2012 1:44:09 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: CodeToad; Travis McGee; Squantos; Pelham; DuncanWaring; dixiechick2000

Y’all owned the hear me roar slattern from down yonder

By her bravado my 12 year old Wade is a crack shot, fights like Marciano and lives to be in some guaranteed fighting unit some day

So why not now?

He’d make a great tunnel rat for sure....by same logic stupid women in combat sorts make here

Matt knows him....he can vouch for his tenacity.....Wade could also talk the enemy to death....just put him on some loudspeakers ala Noriega

/sarcastic

Remote posting from Grayton Beach


316 posted on 06/16/2012 1:44:38 PM PDT by wardaddy (the GOP are cowards)
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To: DuncanWaring; fireman15
A Silver Star.....Wow!

Go Airborne! Imagine, the 82nd Airborne, the All American Airborne allows little female Pattons to represent them. Go figure!

http://www.emtcity.com/topic/11487-19-year-old-female-medic-receives-silver-star-in-afghanistan/

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6281963544/m/5770076371001

317 posted on 06/16/2012 1:54:22 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: SkyDancer

“If you’re having a tough time, then stay out of my kitchen.”

“Your kitchen”? Seriously? Grow up, stupid.


318 posted on 06/16/2012 2:11:25 PM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: fireman15

“It is doubtful that many, if any women would even bother to attempt such a thing.”

The same thing was said of jump school and look at the nasty turn that took. Why are women even in jump school if they are not combat qualified? Why is my tax payer dollars being spent on such nonsense?


319 posted on 06/16/2012 2:13:51 PM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: CodeToad
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320 posted on 06/16/2012 2:19:10 PM PDT by SkyDancer
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