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Women Don't Belong in Ranger School
Wall Street Journal ^ | 6-12-12 | Stephen Kilcullen

Posted on 06/13/2012 3:41:24 PM PDT by kingattax

The United States Army is debating whether to admit women to Ranger School, its elite training program for young combat leaders.

Proponents argue this is to remove a final impediment to the careers of Army women. But the move would erode the unique Ranger ethos and culture—not to mention the program's rigorous physical requirements—harming its core mission of cultivating leaders willing to sacrifice everything for our nation.

The Army's 75th Ranger Regiment traces its roots back to World War II, when it won acclaim for penetrating deep behind Japanese lines. Founded in 1950, Ranger School teaches combat soldiers small-unit tactics and leadership under extreme duress. It pushes men harder than any other program in the Army's curriculum.

Competition to attend the course is fierce, with about 4,000 men eligible to attend each year. Only about half graduate. Of those, only 20% make it through without having to retake various phases.

For decades, completion of Ranger School has been the best indicator for determining which young men can handle the enormous responsibility of combat leadership

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To: dixiechick2000
Thank you for your post. It is a pleasure meeting you dixiechich2000.
501 posted on 06/17/2012 1:04:56 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: Chgogal; dixiechick2000
I really meant to spell dixiechick2000 correctly. Sorry about that.
502 posted on 06/17/2012 1:06:53 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: ansel12

“...less bulky soldiers used to be seen (generally) as the most successful for Special Operations units.”

I was just telling my daughter about I guy I work with (perhaps 12 years older than me) was a Ranger in Vietnam. Tall, skinny and a calm and quiet demeanor while being super friendly as well. He can still beat me hiking through the brush at our sites. Super smart as well which I imagine is a huge part of being a Ranger.


503 posted on 06/17/2012 1:12:41 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Chgogal
My God.

When you graduated High School the military was begging for you.

You rejected the military, even though you were some kind of female warrior/athlete freak "In my youth there were God Damned few males who could better me. They tried and they failed. Like you they were not only ignorant they were arrogant. But me being a God Damned cunning female managed to beat them at their game not only physically but mentally and emotionally as well. They went home with their tales between their legs."

Now you still want the worst for the American military.

504 posted on 06/17/2012 1:13:48 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Chgogal; dixiechick2000
Thank you for your post. It is a pleasure meeting you dixiechich2000.

Yet she was also disagreeing with you.

I think we all just learned what drives your dedication against the military, especially the most male components of it.

505 posted on 06/17/2012 1:17:36 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: 21twelve

Rangers and all Special Operations are required to be bright, (same level as for officers), but the Special Forces used to require a GT score 5 points higher than that required for Officers, or other Special Operations.

I had never thought about the second part of that until tonight.


506 posted on 06/17/2012 1:24:45 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12; dixiechick2000
When I was in high school the Military was begging for women because the Communist Left wanted women in the Military. Men that I respected, conservative men, men like you told me the Military is not a place for women. I believed men like you.

You have a problem with that?

Now, decades later, all I am saying is that all eligible Soldiers should be able to apply to Ranger School and there is a shift in the continuum. If those eligible Soldiers fail they fail.

507 posted on 06/17/2012 1:30:36 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: Chgogal

What in the world are you talking about?

Men didn’t do this to you, conservatives didn’t do this to you.

When you were a young high school girl we couldn’t get you into the service, today you are embracing Nancy Pelosi and the hard left to destroy the military.


508 posted on 06/17/2012 1:35:36 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: SkyDancer

To: SkyDancer
I may as post some of my favorite quotes of yours from this thread.

“I believe people should be given the chance to prove themselves. If they can’t make the grade, they can’t make the grade. I went through reserve Marine basic. Same thing guys did. I passed. No special privileges. I got yelled at just the same, ate the same mud, repelled off cliffs like them, the whole scene. My dad was a Marine pilot in Vietnam, I have two brothers that served in Iraq One and my mom is a military brat. I’ve been there and done that.”

“I’m a pilot. I fly jets. I had a bf who was a pilot (is a a pilot). I waxed his butt so many times when we flew air combat sim’s in real planes it wasn’t funny.”

“Later I joined the Marine reserve and went through boot camp. I did everything the guys did. I came home, became an FAA certified pilot flying jets. I now work in Australia flying planes into the outback where any Marine pilot would crap his or her pants landing on the strips I do. Don’t tell me I don’t know what Ranger or infantry combat is like.....”I’ll go up against any Marine Recon anytime anywhere anyplace. And I’m only 5’6 and weigh in at 110lbs.
Have a nice day, Regards, Janey”

“There are also people who have meth labs up there as well as guys who’ve gone bush. I’ve run into several of them and never had a problem if you know what I mean.”

“Was just saying ... all things considered. You bring on one of your Marine Force Recon to where I live and I’ll have his butt spray painted before he knew what happened”

“See, only a guy would think of that. Why carry an MG twenty miles? You’ve been watching too many WWII movies. You let the enemy come to you. In modern war you don’t fight it like it was WWII or even Vietnam ....An MG is a defensive weapon. “

“Ummm - educated me as to what? One of the things I used to do was to sneak up on the guys barracks, take pictures and get back without being seen. And yes, I’m the FreePer known as Skydancer and I’ve been here since 2005. I think there’s a bit of jealousy on your part that I should have learned the guy stuff and are upset that I can outclass you in various areas.”


509 posted on 06/17/2012 1:50:32 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
What are you talking about?

You have posted so many posts stating that women can't handle Military life. So, when I tell you that when I was young I followed that train of thought you are upset with me. What the heck?

Instead I went to college, held two jobs while competing in swimming, graduated from two separate colleges simultaneously which just floored the university because to date that had never been done that before so they gave me two degrees, one from the College of Business and one from the College of Liberal Arts. I then got a job. Did well and retired early. Now, exactly how am I left wing?

510 posted on 06/17/2012 2:04:16 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: ansel12
What are you talking about?

You have posted so many posts stating that women can't handle Military life. So, when I tell you that when I was young I followed that train of thought you are upset with me. What the heck?

Instead I went to college, held two jobs while competing in swimming, graduated from two separate colleges simultaneously which just floored the university because to date that had never been done that before so they gave me two degrees, one from the College of Business and one from the College of Liberal Arts. I then got a job. Did well and retired early. Now, exactly how am I left wing?

511 posted on 06/17/2012 2:04:16 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: Chgogal

So you couldn’t cut it, didn’t even want to try it 40 years ago, yet you want to support politicians that will bring us down today?

How do your “politics” support the American Military and the Navy SEALS?


512 posted on 06/17/2012 2:15:09 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Well put sir!


513 posted on 06/17/2012 2:15:29 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Chgogal

I was a soldierette. I handled it.


514 posted on 06/17/2012 2:17:43 AM PDT by bannie ("The gov't that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.")
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To: bannie
I was a soldierette. I handled it.

No one wants to hurt soldiers, especially a girl soldier, no matter what their politics.

515 posted on 06/17/2012 2:35:05 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: antceecee

“Wow, how threatened are you that you cannot acknowledge the service of another, that happens to be a woman?”

You mean the “sub-standards” service of another, that’s what we are talking about here. Not the service of someone equal to others but someone that had the standards lowered for them then claiming they met standards when they didn’t. That’s a waste of my taxpayer dollars, places our nation’s security at risk, and is nothing but a political action designed to gain votes of those the sub-standards were applied. “Affirmative Action”.

How does it feel to know they wasted taxpayer dollars living on political welfare in the military?


516 posted on 06/17/2012 6:05:14 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: antceecee

Where did you get that idea? Quote, please.


517 posted on 06/17/2012 6:43:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SkyDancer; ansel12

Ansell brings up some interesting questions about your USMC training. So I’d like to add my own simple question.

Did you go through USMC basic training in San Diego or Parris Island? As far as I know, those are the only two venues for Marine Corps basic training.

So, which was it? When?


518 posted on 06/17/2012 6:53:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: CodeToad

I’ve flown out of the airfield at the Blue Zoo, and done touch-and-go landings at the airfield at Ft. Carson.


519 posted on 06/17/2012 7:03:04 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Chgogal

Once women are given slots at Ranger School, they WILL pass, in numbers and proportions that were dictated very clearly to all of the officers in the chain of command.

This WILL happen. In the military, career-minded officers follow legal orders, or they quit. If they quit, their replacement will follow the orders.

And that is how we will have female Rangers. By orders coming down the chain from the political side. And to hide the dilution of the standard, the standard will also be lowered for men, leading to faint-hearted homosexuals and others passing.

And in ten years, a Ranger tab won’t mean shit.

But that’s not the worst of it. Who cares about pride in tradition? Move on! Okay, I get that.

But if we are forced to fight a REAL WAR, not on our terms, not where we own the air and battle space, (think Korea, 1950), we are going to get SLAUGHTERED when unit integrity totally breaks down, when boyfriends are busy protecting girlfriends (and boyfriends!), instead of running toward the sound of the guns with weapon in hand.

Our military in the field will get SLAUGHTERED when the unit cohesion crumbles to dust. When it’s enemy aircraft and missiles flying overhead, not our own, all the time.

In 1950 our Army broke in Korea, and was almost run out of the country, but in hte end it reformed and held until reinforcements arrived, But Just Barely.

When the next Korea 1950 happens, our military will break completely.

That’s why this PC fantasy bullshit is so dangerous. It doesn’t matter in little wars where we control and shape the battle space. It will mean utter destruction under the suddenly imposed total combat conditions of VN Tet, Korea 1950, etc.


520 posted on 06/17/2012 7:04:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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