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Holder’s last days?
NY Post ^ | June 13, 2012 | MICHAEL A. WALSH

Posted on 06/14/2012 5:24:04 PM PDT by neverdem

After more than a year of half-truths, stonewalling, obfuscating and outright lying to Congress about the “gunwalking” scandal known as Fast and Furious, Attorney General Eric Holder now finds himself trapped in a box canyon, out of ammo and surrounded by hostiles.

It couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

Finally run to ground, the embattled AG has tossed House and Senate investigators a fig leaf of feigned cooperation, just ahead of a House committee’s vote next week on whether to cite him for contempt.

“I’m offering to sit down with the speaker, the chairman, with you and work our way through this in an attempt to avoid a constitutional crisis and come up with ways, creative ways, in which to make these materials available,” Holder this week told Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the ranking minority member of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

At issue is Holder’s refusal to turn over tens of thousands of F&F documents that have been under subpoena since last fall. So far, Justice has managed to slow-walk about 7,600 up Capitol Hill.

Now the embattled Holder wants to deal.“Creatively,” whatever that means.

Sorry, Mr. AG — you had your chance to come clean and you blew it. Now it’s time to play Truth or Consequences.

Next Wednesday, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, headed by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), will decide whether to move a long-threatened contempt citation forward to the full House...

--snip--

And, despite Holder’s delaying tactics, the truth about how that insanity came about has been clear for some time: A cabal of officials at the highest levels of the Justice Department authorized the operation as part of the Obama administration’s “stealth” gun-control strategy — presumably to make it appear that the horrific violence of Mexico’s drug war is partly our fault...

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; jaimezapata; mexico; murdergate; obama; terry; zapata
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1 posted on 06/14/2012 5:24:11 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

B..b..but what will Holder’s people say?


2 posted on 06/14/2012 5:26:54 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

HERE is the money quote from Holder....

“...come up with ways, creative ways, in which to make these materials available”

“Creative”?????????

Good grief, gimme a break!
Frog march the bastard!!


3 posted on 06/14/2012 5:29:32 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: neverdem

I hope not. I want him around for the election :)


4 posted on 06/14/2012 5:30:00 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: neverdem

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5 posted on 06/14/2012 5:30:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: neverdem
It is no longer about the crime. It is now about whether the congress has the oversight authority over the Department of Justice.
Holder has been dancing them around for eighteen months and now it is too late to negotiate, unless it is about the terms of his resignation.
6 posted on 06/14/2012 5:34:01 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Blue state sickness must not be rewarded)
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To: neverdem; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

“...Attorney General Eric Holder now finds himself trapped in a box canyon, out of ammo and surrounded by hostiles.”

But he is still bitterly clinging, um, er, “sticking to his guns”...and shooting spitballs.
Ping


7 posted on 06/14/2012 5:35:48 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: neverdem

This is simple not requiring creativity. Just give them the damn emails and documents.

He can’t because they perjure him and show obama and the WH knew about F&F well before they said they did. Because this was supposed to give them the reason to go after the 2nd Amemdmemt as Obama promised the “Brady bunch” he would.


8 posted on 06/14/2012 5:40:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: neverdem

This punk would look marvelous in orange.


9 posted on 06/14/2012 5:41:13 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: neverdem

It’s not clear to me the consequences to Holder if the house does declare him in contempt.


10 posted on 06/14/2012 5:41:13 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: MagUSNRET

‘HERE is the money quote from Holder....

“...come up with ways, creative ways, in which to make these materials available”

“Creative”?????????

Good grief, gimme a break!
Frog march the bastard!!”

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Its called bribery/buying someone off and I trust neither him nor anyone else in the Gov. to do anything else.. I trust the Gov. about as far as could throw a RINO!!!


11 posted on 06/14/2012 5:44:40 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: neverdem

What is the Constitutional crisis Holder is talking about. The rules are laid out.

Is he trying to say he will ignore the contempt citation?

That he and Obama will fight the Congress?


12 posted on 06/14/2012 5:47:29 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Secret Agent Man
Because this was supposed to give them the reason to go after the 2nd Amemdmemt as Obama promised the “Brady bunch” he would.

And that's the kicker that has them scared out of their minds.
Could bring down Obama himself.

13 posted on 06/14/2012 5:47:50 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: MagUSNRET
“Creative”?????????

There is one, and ONLY one, way to "creatively make the materials available". That is his successor takes the list and provides them.

14 posted on 06/14/2012 5:51:10 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: neverdem

This must be putting Obama in a real pickle...

Holder has been his cover man and political operative in the DOJ for all sorts of malfeasance....some very very serious .....

That pandora box of misdeeds needs to be kept shut at all costs.....some of it is so juicy even the syncophants with the golden kneepads might want to actual do some real investigative reporting...If Holder isn’t around to threaten them....

Personally, I think Obama will circle the wagons wait them out and eventually pardon the dirtbag....after all impeachment of the AG will take us pass the election ....


15 posted on 06/14/2012 5:52:52 PM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: neverdem

This must be putting Obama in a real pickle...

Holder has been his cover man and political operative in the DOJ for all sorts of malfeasance....some very very serious .....

That pandora box of misdeeds needs to be kept shut at all costs.....some of it is so juicy even the syncophants with the golden kneepads might want to actual do some real investigative reporting...If Holder isn’t around to threaten them....

Personally, I think Obama will circle the wagons wait them out and eventually pardon the dirtbag....after all impeachment of the AG will take us pass the election ....


16 posted on 06/14/2012 5:52:52 PM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"warning: the link shown pops up a printer dialogue"

Nothing to worry about. neverdem posted a link to the print version, which spares readers from enduring all of the pop-ups and animations embedded in the non-print version.

17 posted on 06/14/2012 5:55:49 PM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: MestaMachine

I hope he refuses to go quietly, “taking one for Team Obama.”

I hope he squeals and flips and screams that his boss told him to do it.

“Under the radar.”


18 posted on 06/14/2012 5:56:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Venturer


Is he trying to say he will ignore the contempt citation?

That he and Obama will fight the Congress?-——

Of course he will fight Congress and ignore the contempt citation....

obama only respects his reflection in the mirror ...

Impeachment hearings of Holder will take us pass the election....

Obama wins....holder resigns and will be replace by thug “B” ....

Obama loses....holder is gone anyway....


19 posted on 06/14/2012 5:59:18 PM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: Venturer
There is no "constitutional crisis." That's just scare words used by liberal coprophages like Holder to intimidate the boobs.
20 posted on 06/14/2012 5:59:49 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Still Thinking

Throw the bum out.

And his boss too while you are at it.


21 posted on 06/14/2012 6:02:06 PM PDT by magdalen
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To: Popman

Obama loses....holder is gone anyway....

Gone with a pardon so he won’t squeal.


22 posted on 06/14/2012 6:03:41 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: HiTech RedNeck
warning: the link shown pops up a printer dialogue

What's wrong with that? I link the printer friendly version for those with only dialup service.

23 posted on 06/14/2012 6:08:27 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: The Cajun

It’s not like people don’t know/it, hell if I do everyone does. I still remember him saying to Sarah Brady they’d be using creative ways of getting more gun control through.


24 posted on 06/14/2012 6:10:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: neverdem

I can’t wait till he’s gone. I’m tired of looking at that dirtbag with his porno mustache.


25 posted on 06/14/2012 6:11:43 PM PDT by henkster (Wanted: Politicians willing to say "No" to people. No experience required.)
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To: umgud
It’s not clear to me the consequences to Holder if the house does declare him in contempt.

In a perfect world, at the House's request, the Attorney General would assign several federal marshals to arrest the subject and stash him in a federal clink until such time as he delivers the goods he has been charged with delivering.

As you can readily see, there is a flaw in this process.

26 posted on 06/14/2012 6:13:43 PM PDT by okie01
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To: neverdem

FR itself hasn’t been targeted to dialups in a long time. Is it the duty of FR to dumb itself down, or the option of the dialup user to configure his browser so, say, not to show images unless right clicked on and loaded? More experienced users would understand why the pop up, but a novice might well say eek, a virus.


27 posted on 06/14/2012 6:16:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Popman
....after all impeachment of the AG will take us pass the election ....

Impeach Holder before the August recess. Clinton was impeached in December. The Senate trial was over in early February.

28 posted on 06/14/2012 6:18:13 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Still Thinking

Remembering and paraphrasing the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan at the time of the Clinton Impeachment - ‘this is not a Constitutional crisis. This is a crisis of the regime’.

The Amateur and his corrupt regime - Jarrett, Michelle, Holder, Axelrod, are running the administration off the cliff. Will Congress have the will to stop them? That is the crisis.


29 posted on 06/14/2012 6:21:59 PM PDT by untwist
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To: neverdem

Did you think the current Senate would convict Holder ?

Not in a month of Sundays .....

I could only imagine the media leading with ever story:
Holder impeachment Hearing possible tainted by charges of racism .....blah. Blah, blah


30 posted on 06/14/2012 6:32:52 PM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: neverdem

Is everyone dreaming? Holder will be in his current position until the President wants him to leave. He will never be charged with anything.


31 posted on 06/14/2012 6:46:41 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: umgud

Much info about what can happen if a person is in Contempt of Congress here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress

As far as the constitutional crisis that Holder has referred to, it may be that Holder and obamma will jusr ignore the contempt citation and refuse to respond to Congress, thus creating a constitutional crisis as to what happens next.


32 posted on 06/14/2012 6:49:46 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: neverdem
It's coming for YOU, Eric...


33 posted on 06/14/2012 6:50:11 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: neverdem; HiTech RedNeck
I link the printer friendly version for those with only dialup service.

And... no ads and other crap to deal with when going to the main site.

34 posted on 06/14/2012 6:50:26 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: umgud
It’s not clear to me the consequences to Holder if the house does declare him in contempt.

Same here. I thought the only sanction that Congress can impose on an executive branch member is impeachment by the House and removal from office by the Senate.

35 posted on 06/14/2012 6:57:24 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: neverdem

We’re better off with Holder twisting in the wind as AG. If he goes now, in the gnat-like attention span of American voters, he’ll just be a faded memory come November. Best he’s allowed to stay on and continue to be a lightning rod. He’s a reminder as to the criminal nature of the current regime.


36 posted on 06/14/2012 7:17:59 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: Venturer
Is he trying to say he will ignore the contempt citation? That he and Obama will fight the Congress?

That's how I read it. Holder and Obama will brazenly dismiss the authority of Congress. The big question is what Congress will do about it. Zero is betting they will, ultimately, do nothing, leaving Holder in place.

37 posted on 06/14/2012 7:20:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Your shipment of failure to take a nap has arrived. It's whiny.)
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To: neverdem
Now the embattled Holder wants to deal.

Agent Brian Terry gave his life - honorable ATF agents sacrificed everything to come forward. Holder does NOT deserve 'a deal'... We have the money and time to take him to trial - get the whole story...

38 posted on 06/14/2012 7:52:23 PM PDT by GOPJ (Take your little hammer, little sickle and your scary red signs with a fist on it, and go home...)
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To: Popman
Did you think the current Senate would convict Holder ?

No, but it will put a lot of rat senators in a bind on Election Day, about 23 seats this cycle, and it will demoralize a large part of Obama's base, especially those of Mexican ancestry. How does the GOP lose? It's a win - win.

39 posted on 06/14/2012 8:01:56 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Secret Agent Man
This is simple not requiring creativity. Just give them the damn emails and documents.

Still no guarantee that what he turns over will be complete and they will not submit anything that would incriminate themselves. You can be sure this is just a stall again hoping that it will last until King Obama is reelected.

40 posted on 06/14/2012 8:27:57 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Secret Agent Man
This is simple not requiring creativity. Just give them the damn emails and documents.

Still no guarantee that what he turns over be complete and they will not submit anything that would incriminate themselves. You can be sure this is just a stall again hoping that it will last until King Obama is reelected.

41 posted on 06/14/2012 8:28:44 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Tax-chick

Holder and Obama hold the insider trading info that has the power to be more than a mere distraction if things start getting too hot. Holder will start investigating and charging members of Congress for everything from theft of government services to grand larceny.

Holder doesn’t have to produce a damn thing and Issa knows it.

The “constitutional crisis” Holder refers to is nothing less than open war between the executive branch and republican members of congress.

Obama will attempt to adjourn congress and it that doesn’t fly, he’ll have Holder start arresting them - -


42 posted on 06/14/2012 10:15:18 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: atc23

That seems pretty realistic.


43 posted on 06/15/2012 3:14:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All that, plus a real-meat cheezburger and wine.)
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To: neverdem
But the AG serves at the president’s pleasure, and he wouldn’t still have the job if he wasn’t carrying out the boss’s orders.

That is the money line.

44 posted on 06/15/2012 3:31:36 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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To: C210N
There is one, and ONLY one, way to "creatively make the materials available". That is his successor takes the list and provides them.

Never happen. Holder wasn't held accountable by the Bush Administration or the DoJ for his role in the Marc Rich last-minute pardon under the Clinton Administration. He ain't gonna be held accountable for this either. Republican's don't have the testicular fortitude to do it.

Note: I would be ECSTATIC to be proven wrong on this point, sadly I know I won't.

45 posted on 06/15/2012 3:43:40 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: atc23
Obama will attempt to adjourn congress and it that doesn’t fly, he’ll have Holder start arresting them - -

That's about how they do it in Kenya, isn't it? The rotten apple sure doesn't fall far from the morally corrupt tree now does it?

46 posted on 06/15/2012 3:45:16 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: MestaMachine
But he is still bitterly clinging...

Hey now...

47 posted on 06/15/2012 5:33:04 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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To: neverdem
So far, Justice has managed to slow-walk about 7,600 up Capitol Hill.

What the media constantly fails to disclose is the insane and clearly suspicious portion of redaction of the documents. So the 7,600 pages of toilet paper DON'T COUNT.

48 posted on 06/15/2012 7:18:15 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Venturer
"Is he trying to say he will ignore the contempt citation? That he and Obama will fight the Congress?

Yes.

49 posted on 06/15/2012 7:21:38 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Logical me
"You can be sure this is just a stall again hoping that it will last until King Obama is reelected."

And if so, then he will be "pardoned"...and he will stay on...forever.

Obama will then plan on staying in office, and will not allow any further elections. The Constitution will be formally dead, as was Mexico's under Santa Anna, the Napolean of the West. Only our dictator is going to be more like Mao Tse Tung.

50 posted on 06/15/2012 7:28:34 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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