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Ambassadors to Holy See Endorse Mitt Romney
MittRomney.com ^ | 1/7/12 | Five Vatican Ambassadors

Posted on 06/15/2012 5:37:05 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Mitt Romney today announced the support of five former U.S. Ambassadors to the Holy See. The Ambassadors wrote the following letter in support of Mitt Romney:

“We the undersigned former U.S. Ambassadors to the Holy See...are united in our wholehearted support for the candidacy of Mitt Romney for the Presidency of the United States because of his commitment to and support of the values that we feel are critical in a national leader...We also know that Mitt Romney is a staunch defender of the principle that every human being should be welcomed in life and protected by law from conception to natural death.

Thomas Patrick Melady (U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See 1989-1993)

Raymond L. Flynn (U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See 1993-1997)

James Nicholson (U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See 2001-2005)

Francis Rooney (U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See 2005-2008)

Mary Ann Glendon (U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See 2008-2009)

(Excerpt) Read more at mittromney.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012endorsements; abortion; catholicvote; life; romney2012; usembassy; values
Not trying to get booted, and don't know if the mods will let this stay, but I wonder if it will convince anyone that these pro-lifers, ones who represented this nation to the Pope himself, that Mitt has changed his mind and heart on this issue.
1 posted on 06/15/2012 5:37:13 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

As a Catholic I can tell you there are few things I trust less than American Catholics in government.


2 posted on 06/15/2012 5:42:46 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Proof of the loss of faith in these times. You cannot
vote for a pro-abort. Romney praised his own mother
for supporting the abortion cause!! His own actions, abortion
is in Romney Care.

All Romney’s talk, change of view is a crock. Until he
shows by his actions, then, I will believe he has changed.

Voting for a pro-abort is a mortal sin on your soul.


3 posted on 06/15/2012 5:47:44 PM PDT by stpio
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To: the invisib1e hand

Well, if I had to name the people that I trust more in government nowadays I would start with Scalia, Thomas, Alito...


4 posted on 06/15/2012 5:50:37 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

that is as expected — the best and the worst.


5 posted on 06/15/2012 5:53:58 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: stpio
"Voting for a pro-abort is a mortal sin on your soul."

I'm impressed that you claim the right to sit in judgment of what will likely be about half the nations voters. You certainly exceed the narcissism of Obama.

6 posted on 06/15/2012 5:58:05 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: The Invisible Hand; Cicero
As a Catholic I can tell you there are few things I trust less than American Catholics in government.

Mary Ann Glendon is pro-life.

7 posted on 06/15/2012 6:08:31 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: the invisib1e hand; Cicero
But these aren't "American Catholics" (in the specialized sense of liberal, a la carte, modernist, let's dump-dogma-and-feel-good haflings modeled on the editorial board of "U.S. Catholic"agazine. They're actual Catholics.

Mary Ann Glendon is the best of all. Refused to attend the Notre Dame graduation in 2009, where she was to be awarded their "Laetare" medal (whiche she declined), because she refused to be on the same platform as Obama.

She's a very distinguished law professor at Harvard. No don't hold Harvard against her, either. She's one of the top lawyers who's bringing the 43 lawsuits against Obamacare/HHS. She's been the faculty advisor to the Student Prolife group at Harvard for decades. She is tough, principled, and smart as they come.

8 posted on 06/15/2012 6:18:16 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: SoFloFreeper
We also know that Mitt Romney is a (cough, cough) staunch defender of the principle that (ahem) every human being should be welcomed in life and (cough) protected by law from conception to natural death.
9 posted on 06/15/2012 6:18:31 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

“I’m impressed that you claim the right to sit in JUDGMENT of what will likely be about half the nations voters. You certainly exceed the narcissism of Obama.”

~ ~ ~

There is NO choice this election or a lessor of two evils.
BHO and Romney have been involved in the legislation of abortion.

Pray for a miracle, that is what it is going to take.

Who is judging friend? An excuse. God has revealed it. You cooperate with evil by voting for a pro-abort, no matter their level of government. Don’t do it, it is a mortal sin.

God bless you,

#2 - of the Cardinal virtues of Secularism

Pluralism (a relativistic attitude toward truth, religion and morals)
Tolerance (a non-judgmental approach to contrary opinions and “lifestyles”)
Equality (giving equal value to any individual or cultural differences)
Freedom (emphasis on individual autonomy in moral decision making)


10 posted on 06/15/2012 6:23:02 PM PDT by stpio
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To: norwaypinesavage

Please don’t misunderstand. Catholics commit mortal sin when they support politicians who support abortion, same sex unions, et cetera. Willard is someone we cannot vote for. This is in addition to all the rest of who and what he is. I cannot denigrate the people mentioned who have endorsed him, but I cannot, and will not, vote for him. Not a case of the lesser of two evils, since no good can come from an evil act. And for a Catholic, because of his active support for abortion, even dismissing anything else, voting for Willard is literally an evil act, and one may not be able present oneself for Holy Communion without having first availed oneself of the Sacrament of Confession.


11 posted on 06/15/2012 6:55:12 PM PDT by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: stpio

So you believe these Catholics are lying or are deceived?

And you believe Mitt has not changed his heart and mind on abortion?


12 posted on 06/15/2012 6:56:17 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper (THAN)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; aposiopetic

I would certainly confirm the pro-life, Catholic orthodoxy of Mary Ann Glendon.

Mitt Romney has been telling pro-life organizations recently that he supports their positions. No doubt he or his handlers gave the same assurances to these former Ambassadors to the Vatican.

The only problem is, Romney never hesitates to lie about his beliefs. And his record as a politician is pro-abortion. In fact, he was the first politician to sign off on tax-payer funded abortions, just as he was the first to sign off on gay marriage.

I think Mary Ann Glendon is simply taking his assurances at face value. But can he be trusted to keep his word? The record suggests not.


13 posted on 06/15/2012 7:11:01 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“So you believe these Catholics are lying or are deceived?

And you believe Mitt has not changed his heart and mind on abortion?”

~ ~ ~

I notice the difference in tone of the two questions.

Catholics are lying or are deceived. “Mitt” only has to say
I’ve changed again on abortion with no proof of a change of heart since his actions in Massachusetts.


14 posted on 06/15/2012 7:11:09 PM PDT by stpio
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To: Cicero; Mrs. Don-o

I think Obama can be trusted to continue to work against restrictions on abortion from conception through birth.


15 posted on 06/15/2012 7:28:27 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: stpio

I notice there has not been an answer to the questions.


16 posted on 06/15/2012 9:15:58 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper (THAN)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Better the liar who claims repentance than the liar who doesn’t.


17 posted on 06/15/2012 10:11:36 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

yeah, i would just like an answer. :)


18 posted on 06/15/2012 10:15:52 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper (THAN)
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To: SoFloFreeper; fieldmarshaldj; cripplecreek; The Invisible Hand; Salvation; stpio; Mrs. Don-o; ...
This convinces me that Melady, Nicholson, Flynn, Glendon and Rooney ought to sit down, shut up and stop humiliating themselves and actual Catholics who ARE pro-life and insulting the intelligence of pro-lifers by lying for Myth Romney. If Romney is a pro-lifer, then Planned Barrenhood and NARAL are pro-life too, just as pro-life as plasticman Myth will ever be.

While those five former ambassadors may be personally pro-life and even somewhat accomplished as pro-lifers, ANYONE who bel;ieves the steady stream of Romney lies does so at the peril of his/her reputation. See Cicero's #13 which is right on target. Also, you know whenever Romney lies. His lips move.

Myth CLAIMS to have become pro-life in 2005 but included abortion-on-demand for a mere $50 for all Taxachusetts babykillers the NEXT year (2006) AND put Planned Barrenhood on the board of Romneycare to protect their free-wheeling babykilling. Puhleeze!!!

THEREFORE, to the two questions posed:

1. I believe the five former ambassadors are deceived and that there is insufficient evidence to prove that any of them are lying. Also, they are, at least, quite naive if they think they can believe Myth on ANY SOCIAL ISSUE. He IS a sociopathic liar who changes his story as easily as Madonna Louise Ciccone changes "partners."

2. I believe that Myth Romney has NOT changed his mind and heart on this issue. He has changed from what he perceived to be a pro-abort Taxachusetts constituency to a concededly pro-life national constituency. If he thought Americans loved the Red Chinese, Myth Romney would memorize Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto in Mandarin and recite both on request, claiming to be a true believer in both.

19 posted on 06/15/2012 10:37:30 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“I notice there has not been an answer to the questions.”

~ ~ ~

Why would I answer the negative question about Catholics?

I answered your second flowery question about Romney.


20 posted on 06/15/2012 10:37:52 PM PDT by stpio
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To: sayuncledave
"because of his active support for abortion, even dismissing anything else, voting for Willard is literally an evil act"

Romney is not actively supporting abortion. This makes your whole argument very odd. It's difficult to discuss things with people who don't deal with current facts.

21 posted on 06/16/2012 3:36:36 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: norwaypinesavage

“Romney is not actively supporting abortion,”

~ ~ ~

This is the catch, the excuse!!!! ...not actively...

Wake up dear friend. Romney has never legislated for life,
show me one action on his part for life?

Voting for Mitt, you are supporting his actions.


22 posted on 06/16/2012 3:42:13 AM PDT by stpio
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To: norwaypinesavage

Shall I say, Romneycare? Shall we discuss it’s similarity to a certain on-the-books-about-to-be-reviewed law which, like Romneycare, supports abortion? I deal in facts. I just looked here: http://www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care. Mitt’s arguments against obamacare revolve exclusively around money, control, and replacing the federal plan with state-chosen plans, still termed “health reform.” In no way, anywhere, does the website for Willard for President 2012 repudiate his previous much-vaunted support for in-utero baby murder.

I deal with current facts. One of them appears to be that you favor Willard, and another is that we disagree strenuously about the fact that a Catholic may not vote for any candidate for public office who in any way supports abortion, without committing a mortal sin.

Catholics hold life to be very precious. Abortion is murder in all cases where it is performed. No matter the circumstances of conception, the baby still dies.

Here’s a statement of Willard’s from a Piers Morgan interview,. in response to a question on whether Willard views homosexuality as sinful: “Romney : I separate quite distinctly matters of personal faith from the leadership that one has in a political sense.”

If you are in favor of voting for him, you have the ability to do so. If you are Catholic, I would very strongly urge you to discuss the matter with your priest. Willard has done and said enough to cast strong doubt on his being anything but an opportunist without a moral compass. Catholics may not vote for him without committing mortal sin. Or does allowing abortion in cases of incest, rape, and hypothetical cases to save the life of the mother NOT kill the baby?

Also, Romney believes states should be able to have their own abortion laws, which implicitly adds that he believes in abortion, or else why allow a patchwork of state laws? That’s a canard, thrown to be able to claims that he’s “pro-life” while feeding those who are pro-abortion.


23 posted on 06/16/2012 4:40:15 AM PDT by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: BlackElk; daisy mae for the usa; joanie-f; Steve Schulin; Gelato
We also know that Mitt Romney is a staunch defender of the principle that every human being should be welcomed in life and protected by law from conception to natural death.

They're just flat out lying.

Even if one was foolish enough to believe that Mitt Romney had "changed" in any way, his stated position, on his campaign website, to this day, is:

1) Judicial supremacist, anti-republican, anti-Constitution. His default position is the abortion on demand status quo, because he still thinks the courts make our laws, just like he always has.

2) Pro-choice democrat, by definition. He openly asserts that God-given, unalienable rights can be/should be decided/alienated by a democratic vote.

3) Pro-choice for states. He thinks that States can alienate the right to life if they want to, in spite of the fact that the Constitution explicitly and imperatively requires every State to equally protect the right to life of every individual person.

24 posted on 06/16/2012 5:53:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (To be added to the new EternalVigilance ping list, FReepmail me. www.TomHoefling.com.)
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To: BlackElk

25 posted on 06/16/2012 6:36:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (To be added to the new EternalVigilance ping list, FReepmail me. www.TomHoefling.com.)
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To: EternalVigilance; All

I am not Catholic, so unfortunately I am ignorant as to what an ambassador is. I don’t understand why a woman would be in such a high position of authority. It seems as if this contradicts what I do know of Catholicism.

It is extremely encouraging to me to see so many posters say clearly that it would be a sin to vote for Romney on the fact of his pro-abortion legislation. There is one question that has been asked, that deserves an answer:

Please state and reference the pro-life legislation Romney has signed his name to.

An embezzler could have a change of heart, but would I put him in charge of millions of dollars? Why tempt him!

Romney may have had a change of heart...he does so frequently. What’s to say he won’t have another change of heart when influences change? Is a constantly changing heart really what we need leading the executive branch of our government?

It is time to quit playing silly little word games. There is yes and there is no. There is right and there is wrong. There is light and there is dark. A person either chooses to walk in the light or walk in the dark. There is no “half-light”.

Romney thinks there is a “half-light” position. As a Mormon he has been taught to practice this. He is a Bishop in the Mormon church. He is not an “in name only” Mormon. Just the other day, the epic “I DARE...” thread presumed to tell me and everyone at FR that our grandchildren would one day be Mormon thanks to Mitt!

Can we say, “hidden agenda” boys and girls?????? That’s the very definition of “half-light.”

Let your “yea be yea, and your nay be nay.” I fear God. I will not vote for Romney. Nor will I vote for Obama.

Anyone want to shout, “TREASON!!!!!!!” at me?

Fine. Get a rope. I will gladly die for God.


26 posted on 06/16/2012 6:56:24 AM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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To: stpio

No you didn’t. See ya.


27 posted on 06/16/2012 7:40:48 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper (THAN)
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To: BlackElk

Thanks for at least answering the questions. :) You have more fortitude and honesty than another on the thread.

(btw, I don’t agree with your conclusions but I am very glad you took the time to think about this and provide a clear response to direct inquiries! You ought to go into electoral politics—we need more people who just answer the questions!)

God bless.


28 posted on 06/16/2012 7:44:50 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper (THAN)
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To: norwaypinesavage

I have a theory. Some people hate Mitt Romney soooo much that IF becomes President,
declares abortion to be forbidden by executive order,
sent the FBI out to round up all abortionists and the top dogs of all 50 Planned Parenthood state organizations,
have them publicly beheaded,
and puts their heads on pikes in the capitals of the states as a warning to any future abortionists....

there would STILL be people on this board who would say:
“He didn’t do enough.”

Note to any bed-wetters who think I am proposing the above action as a solution to abortion: TRY AND REALIZE THIS IS EXAGERRATION TO MAKE A POINT. I AM NOT PROPOSING THIS AS A SOLUTION.


29 posted on 06/16/2012 7:56:50 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper (THAN)
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To: SoFloFreeper; Sirius Lee; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; ...
+

Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.


30 posted on 06/16/2012 8:40:15 AM PDT by narses
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To: SoFloFreeper

There is gap in that list of former Ambassadors, so I looked it up. The missing Ambassador is Lindy Boggs — widow of hale Boggs and mother of Cokie Roberts.


31 posted on 06/16/2012 8:58:15 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Cicero

And Ronald Reagan signed the first abortion Bill in the country when he was Governor of CA — way before Roe v Wade was decided. Later he said that it was the biggest mistake of his life, and he regretted it.

Don’t you believe that a man can change his mind and mean it?

I remember the Sunday morning that we were all asked from the pulpit to send a telegram to RR protesting the upcoming Bill signing. I sent the telegram, but he signed it anyway. He still turned out to be the best President of the 20th Century.


32 posted on 06/16/2012 9:10:45 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Yes, of course a change of heart is possible. I voted for Ronald Reagan gladly, because in his case I was persuaded, before he became President, that he meant what he said. And I was right. Part of this was due to some of his close friends and advisers. Reagan was not a conservative Catholic, but he was much influenced by an adviser who was. He was not a regular church goer, but his values were far more Christian than, say, those of Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton, who regularly waved Bibles and attended Church and even taught Sunday School.

The Bible directs, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” But you have to judge those who will be put into positions of power in government. That’s different from judging your neighbor, because it is necessary for the welfare of many. And absolutely everything I have seen, and continue to see, about Mitt Romney says that he is an opportunistic liar, willing to say just about anything that will gain him political power.


33 posted on 06/16/2012 10:26:12 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: daisy mae for the usa
Very good comments, and I am in accord with all your pro-life, proGod convictions.

Mary Ann Glendon is not a Vatican official. She was U.S. Ambassador TO the Vatican. In other words, she was appointed BY the U.S. and represented the U.S. to the Vatican, and not the other way around.

Also, even if she were a Vatican ambassador, that's not against Catholic doctrine. Ambassadors aren't necessarily priests or bishops, i.e. ordained clergy. Ambassador isn't a priestly position, it's a diplomatic position.

However, I think nuncios (Vatican ambassadors) are usually archbishops, because they play a role of being liaisons between the national bishops' conference and the government of whatever country. Also they play a role in recommending bishop appointments. They nominate them, so to speak.

34 posted on 06/16/2012 11:14:42 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you for helping me understand! :-) I admit to being lost sometimes in reference to many Catholic practices. Thank you for taking the time to explain.


35 posted on 06/16/2012 11:20:40 AM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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To: SoFloFreeper
All I see is a list of pathetic douchebags.

I wonder how much cash the Bishop from Kolob paid these degenerates for their pathetic "endorsement"

36 posted on 06/16/2012 11:21:08 AM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“So you believe these Catholics are lying or are deceived?

And you believe Mitt has not changed his heart and mind on abortion?”

stpio: Catholics are lying or are deceived. “Mitt” only has to say I’ve changed again on abortion with no proof of a change of heart since his actions in Massachusetts.

~ ~ ~

You can say I didn’t.

I answered your questions above. Explain your reason for posting this thread? Please, tell me, knowing Romney’s
history why you would ask the second question?

As a “Pro-family” Republican Candidate: by his undeniable record fully documented below, Mitt Romney:
- created RomneyCare which is terribly similar to ObamaCare but even worse for it openly funds abortion
- put Planned Parenthood on the so-called “independent” board he created that offers $50 co-pay abortions
- thereby instituted tax-funded abortion on demand two years after his orchestrated “pro-life” conversion
- as late as summer 2011 continues to defend aborting tens of thousands of kids (denying their God-given right to life)
- supported destructive embryonic research after his false 2004 pro-life conversion
- put a pro-abortion Democratic judge on the bench after Romney had claimed a pro-life conversion
- fabricates a claim that a court ordered him to institute same-sex marriage, a travesty he committed on his own
- single-handedly instituted same-sex marriage and later fabricated a claim that a court ordered him to do so
- bragged that he would continue to defend abortion “rights” after he claimed a pro-life conversion
- denies responsibility for the 10-member board that funds abortion even though his executive branch filled 7 seats
- pro-choice in ‘94; pro-life in ‘01; choice ‘02; pro-life ‘04; choice ‘05; life in ‘06; then funded abortion in ‘06


37 posted on 06/16/2012 11:26:56 AM PDT by stpio
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To: SoFloFreeper
Not trying to get booted, and don't know if the mods will let this stay, but I wonder if it will convince anyone that these pro-lifers, ones who represented this nation to the Pope himself, that Mitt has changed his mind and heart on this issue.

I would assume that Romney has met with various high profile Catholics, and played "let's make a deal". I don't mean that as a denigration of him, or to any Catholics. I think it means that being pragmatic, both sides came to an accord, and Romney agreed. Only the future will tell if he keeps his side of the bargain.

We already know that Obama did not keep his side of the bargain with Catholics per Cardinal Dolan's statements on the hhs contraception mandate.

Whether Romney had a Saul/St Paul moment, I can't say. Time will tell, but if for no other reason, a Romney Presidency would give time to regroup, not retreat from the downward spiral of the Republic, most Catholics I personally know will vote for him.

38 posted on 06/16/2012 12:54:56 PM PDT by sockmonkey (I will vote for Romney to get Obama out of the White House..)
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To: sockmonkey

“I would ASSUME that Romney has met with various high profile Catholics, and played “let’s make a deal”.

We already know that Obama did not keep his side of the bargain with Catholics per Cardinal Dolan’s statements on the hhs contraception mandate.

Whether Romney had a Saul/St Paul moment, I can’t say. Time will tell, but if for no other reason, a Romney Presidency would give time to regroup, not retreat from the downward spiral of the Republic, most Catholics I personally know will vote for him.”

~ ~ ~

Do not fall for the con again. Our country needs a Godly leader NOW not time to regroup. Pray, God can bring about a miracle. God has asked for prayer and fasting for this intention in the prophetic.

Romney’s record for life:
- pro-choice in ‘94; pro-life in ‘01; choice ‘02; pro-life ‘04; choice ‘05; life in ‘06; then funded abortion in ‘06

And pray for Romney’s conversion, Mormons are not Christian.
Mitt needs God’s grace in his soul.


39 posted on 06/16/2012 1:33:49 PM PDT by stpio
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To: SoFloFreeper
You are welcome. I often wonder why people participate on a site like FR but either fail to state their principles or refuse to defend them. That we disagree on some conclusions is what makes FR the interesting place that it is.

As to running for office: I am too old, too poor, too disabled to seek office. I did run as a GOP nominee for Congress in 1974 but the electorate had the good sense to say no. Now, I join former NYC Mayor Ed Koch who always responds to pleas that he run again after he lost in a third term bid to David Dinkins: They had their chance. NOW, they will have to suffer. In any event, you are too kind.

God bless you and yours!

40 posted on 06/16/2012 2:41:45 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: sayuncledave

“Please don’t misunderstand. Catholics commit mortal sin when they support politicians who support abortion, same sex unions, et cetera. Willard is someone we cannot vote for.”

You are wrong about Church teaching on this. Romney may not be as pro-life as you want but, Obama is so much worse. And it is not a mortal sin to vote for the lesser of two evils. Read the Catechism, please.

So you want Obama in for another 4 years? Because he is anti-abortion perhaps?

He is the most pro-abortion president we have ever elected. And you think that Romney is worse?

Think people, please. We also have Supremes who will be retiring in the next term.


41 posted on 06/16/2012 7:14:07 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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