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Romney Screws the Pooch on Immigration
National Review ^ | 6-15-2012 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 06/15/2012 8:14:40 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

Okay, maybe that wasn’t the best metaphor, but he fumbled an important opportunity. The problem with the president’s amnesty decree is not that it “makes it more difficult to reach that long-term solution because an executive order is, of course, just a short-term matter — it can be reversed by subsequent presidents.” The problem is that it’s u-n-c-o-n-s-t-i-t-u-t-i-o-n-a-l. You would expect Allen West and Steve King to be forceful in denouncing this usurpation, but even Amnesty John McCain and Rick “you don’t have a heart” Perry were strong. Heck, Lindsey Graham — Lindsey Graham — denounced the move as “possibly illegal.” And the fact that Romney didn’t answer when asked if he’d reverse the order is an especially bad sign.

I know all those who’ve been accusing me of being in the tank for Romney will say “I told you so,” but my distress isn’t really about his views on the policy issue at hand — he seemed to endorse Rubio’s as-yet-not-introduced revision of the DREAM Act, which I’m pretty sure I won’t like. I’m appalled because this is a fundamental matter of our political order

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To: berdie
I don’t think Mitt is smart ...or a statesman. But today, he is what we have. :(

In August, hopefully not.

101 posted on 06/16/2012 5:52:24 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: COBOL2Java
Romney Obama the Same?
102 posted on 06/16/2012 6:17:05 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
Romney Obama the Same?

I think one's darker than the other.

103 posted on 06/16/2012 6:25:31 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: berdie

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2895899/posts

Palin thread


104 posted on 06/16/2012 6:26:59 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Romney really doesn’t disagree with Obama about most things. He’ll be happy to “repeal and replace Obamacare” with Romneycare. They both support abortion, contraception, homosexual rights, etc.

The biggest difference between Obama and Romney is that Romney can get RINO and Democrat support for the same “progressive” agenda.


105 posted on 06/16/2012 6:38:27 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Windflier

You have know idea what I’m advocating because I didn’t advocate anything specific. Who said anything about amnesty? You assumptions and knee jerk reactions are examples of what make this site less appealing as time has gone on. God forbid we have a deep discussion on the illegals issue during an election year. It’s like you responding to the statement “We need better funding for orbital vehicles” by saying “You are talking about moon bases and we can’t have that and there is no room to discuss it.” Get my point? Ok, I agree we secure the borders, but what do you do with 14 million illegals? (...crickets)


106 posted on 06/16/2012 6:51:20 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Patton@Bastogne

I cannot disagree with what you say. It saddens me and I put the blame firmly on the gop/e and bush cabal.

LLS


107 posted on 06/16/2012 8:03:51 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Bigtigermike

BTM, one thing that really irritates me, are the ones that call ANYONE NOT supporting MythRom an Obama supporter... I don’t think they get the bigger picture that we can at least partially contain Zero with a full house.. If MythRom is in position, all of our Reps will go along with whatever he passes :/

I am in NO WAY, SHAPE or FORM an ZERO supporter.. but the same goes for MythRom.. Either way is glum, but, like I mentioned, at least Zero is part way in a ‘box’..

Personally, I hope and pray that the convention can give us better options..

Other than that, we just have to see what happenes day by day here :p

Take care, my FRiend


108 posted on 06/16/2012 8:10:11 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist or Patriot)
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To: COBOL2Java

Now that you mentioned it, I do think Romney gets more sun.


109 posted on 06/16/2012 8:12:28 AM PDT by Errant
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To: hocndoc

Question for you.. I have said I will write in Palin... but, someone has told me that it will invalidate my vote.. (absentee ballot from Japan (Texas))... Do you have any knowledge about that?

If so, I’m not sure what to do.. I’ve heard that if I leave it blank, someone may check their preference when they receive it :/


110 posted on 06/16/2012 8:14:25 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist or Patriot)
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To: Windflier

LoL! my FRiend :) good one ;)


111 posted on 06/16/2012 8:15:51 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist or Patriot)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
Vote for Virgil Goode, instead! Just do it! Vote for an actual conservative with an actual conservative voting record and much more political experience than Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, and Gary Johnson, combined!

Let me know when you have Step #2 of this plan.

112 posted on 06/16/2012 8:19:29 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
You have know idea what I’m advocating because I didn’t advocate anything specific.

Friend, I read and speak English fluently. Your communication was quite clear to me. You're okay with legalizing the lawbreakers, just like Mitt is. Re-read your post. You advocated it.

Ok, I agree we secure the borders, but what do you do with 14 million illegals?

Ooops! You're doing it again!

113 posted on 06/16/2012 8:21:39 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Bikkuri

From what I understand, the vote is counted as an under-vote or as tho’ no vote was cast in that race. For that matter, I don’t think there’s a place for write ins at all on the November ballot, unless someone files officially as a “Write in” candidate.

As my signature says, “I’d rather hold the Republicans to their promises than watch Obama keep his.” Please vote against Obama - and for the Party with the most chance of winning.


114 posted on 06/16/2012 8:51:14 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold Rs to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: hocndoc
If an LDS leader be our future, let it be this guy.

Write-In, draft, what ever; maybe it is prophesy...

Are you reading this Glenn???

115 posted on 06/16/2012 9:03:26 AM PDT by Errant
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To: doc1019
I have been speaking out loudly that I could never vote for either Obamass or Romney. However, I will make an exception and cast my vote for Romney if he jumps on this with an effort worthy of Reagan.

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My views are similar. Romney simply has not earned my vote, but I am leaving the door open for him--if he takes strong, unequivocal stands on issues like this.

If Romney's campaign model is merely, "I'm not Obama," that's not enough. Romney must win my vote, but he has not done it yet.

116 posted on 06/16/2012 9:37:31 AM PDT by stillonaroll (Nominate a non-RINO in 2012!...uh, too late, never mind.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Romney screwed the pooch, Obama ate the pooch. Six of one, half-dozen of the other.


117 posted on 06/16/2012 12:04:24 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Support hate crime laws: Because some victims are more equal than others.)
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To: stillonaroll

The only way I might even consider voting for Romney is if he chose Walker as his VP. Even then, I probably couldn’t stomach him.


118 posted on 06/16/2012 12:08:14 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Support hate crime laws: Because some victims are more equal than others.)
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To: Errant

Glenn’s too emotional, driven by emotions, although he does good work. And he’s not on the ballot in November.

I’m voting for the best chance to beat Obama in November, 2012.


119 posted on 06/16/2012 12:25:11 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold Rs to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: hocndoc
I don't know, he's getting much better at keeping his emotions in check. He hardly weeps at all at the presentation I have linked above.

I'm voting ( or not ) to beat both Obama and "Obama light", unless the current dictator in chief calls off the minor little inconvenience planned for November.

120 posted on 06/16/2012 12:51:46 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Lady Lucky

Thanks for the link.


121 posted on 06/16/2012 5:07:11 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Windflier

I don’t have a lot of posts here as a rule because I try to read the article. That doesn’t mean something in the news or on the internet forms my opinion.

I guess we will see if Myth gave the wrong non-response, eventually. Looking around at places other than here, it seems that lots of folks are p.o.’d over The Won’s power grab. This being politics, it could be best that he doesn’t respond to a matter that people are already up in arms about. I am of the opinion that a lot of people heard and saw The Won’s over reach and pandering. I really don’t think many said...What did Romney say? Every time I see Romney on tv since the “edict” he is talking about the economy. I think of what the average citizen sees, not you or I who are political junkies.

Thanks for the Sarah link. Sounds like she said the same thing you, I and most of the people on this site said. I think it’s great.

But unless something has come up that I haven’t heard (always possible) Sarah is not running for president and can say what she pleases without the repercussion of loosing votes. Just as you and I can.


122 posted on 06/16/2012 5:35:33 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Bigtigermike
we can't offend Hispanics

This is not an issue about Hispanics, Latinos, Immigration, Illegals or Amnesty. Obama wishes and hopes it will be.

The real issue (for real conservatives) is not what Obama did but HOW he did it.

I find it ironic that a RINO like Romney would out Conservative some of my conservative friends with his response.

It's The US Constitution at issue here

123 posted on 06/16/2012 6:02:54 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: berdie
I guess we will see if Myth gave the wrong non-response, eventually.

We appear to be looking at this thing through different lenses.

I actually couldn't care less about the possible political fallout that might ensue from Romney's mealy-mouthed statement. I'm looking more at the fact that he didn't disagree with what Obama did - only with how he did it.

As an American who cares about our Constitution and the rule of law, that offends me on a core level. His poor response has further solidified my admittedly negative considerations about him.

124 posted on 06/16/2012 6:15:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Bikkuri
"Let's keep it simple. And let's say no that if you are here illegally, if you don't follow the steps that at some point in immigration reform that we are going to be able to provide that will allow you somehow to be able to work - if you are not going to do that, then you will be deported. You will be gone.", Sarah Palin

I'm no Romney fan. I'll end up voting for him over Obama but there's NO way I can go door to door for the man or give him money. I would have preferred someone like Sarah Palin to be our nominee. That being said, where is the difference between what Mitt Romney has said and the above stance by Sarah Palin?

Another question, which is more important for conservatives: Immigration policy or The US Constitution?

We may not like Mitt Romney but let's make sure we do not blindly throw out the Constitution with the RINO.

125 posted on 06/16/2012 6:17:38 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: tsowellfan
The real issue (for real conservatives) is not what Obama did but HOW he did it.

Dubya, is that you?

126 posted on 06/16/2012 6:22:35 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
We appear to be looking at this thing through different lenses.

Yes, there is the Obama lens which sees this as an issue about "Immigration". And he's hoping republicans choose that lens so he can now falsely declare that this is a Republican War Against Latinos.

Then there's the Conservative lens that sees this as an unconstitutional power-grab. The issue: US Constitution

127 posted on 06/16/2012 6:24:29 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: Windflier
Dubya, is that you?

I would hardly consider George W Bush a conservative. I must disagree with you there.

128 posted on 06/16/2012 6:27:24 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: tsowellfan
I would hardly consider George W Bush a conservative. I must disagree with you there.

That's just the point, but I see you missed it.

129 posted on 06/16/2012 6:30:44 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: tsowellfan

It’s wrong on both counts, and any conservative worth their salt knows it.

We shouldn’t arbitrarily be legalizing potentially millions of illegals under any circumstances, and it’s also wrong to bypass the Constitution, our laws, and Congress to do so. The fact that it’s a naked play for votes, makes it even more despicable.

This isn’t an either/or thing. It’s wrong every way you look at it.


130 posted on 06/16/2012 6:36:55 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
The point is The Dream Act was defeated legally in Congress. It's history. Gone.

I happen to be for mass deportation a la Sheriff Joe and against the Dream Act. But my stance and your stance about the Dream Act should be irrelevant at this point. It was defeated.

Now we find out it's here and it's been shoved down our throats by one man's action.

If we ignore this action, the next one could be banning guns, criminalizing conservative blogs by considering them Hate Speech.

Dangerous waters we're treading if we fail to see this point.

Who would have ever thought the Government would be running an automobile factory a few years ago?

131 posted on 06/16/2012 6:42:30 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: Windflier
We shouldn’t arbitrarily be legalizing potentially millions of illegals under any circumstances

And it was defeated. The Dream Act lost. So, it's a non-issue. We (those of us who were activists against The Dream Act)worked hard to make sure it was defeated. We did it the American way and through the legal process. Why should WE need to rehash a debate which we have already won?

Why bother to have representatives if they can be by-passed by one man in the White House. This is a bud that needs to be snipped.

Romney is not the issue. Illegals are not the issue. Sarah Palin is not the issue.

Obama's pattern of by-passing Congress is the issue.

132 posted on 06/16/2012 6:50:09 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: tsowellfan
Why bother to have representatives if they can be by-passed by one man in the White House. This is a bud that needs to be snipped.

Romney is not the issue.

I beg to differ. He did not disagree with Obama giving amnesty to potentially millions of illegals. He only disagreed with how he did it.

He just touched a third rail of American politics, and you're trying to throw a curtain over it. It's indefensible.

133 posted on 06/16/2012 6:55:32 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

“We appear to be looking at this thing through different lenses”

No argument there. lol.

Romney was my next to the last choice. I am not happy. But it is what it is. That being said, I want O out of office...really bad. Look at what the he!! O is doing even this week.

I actually don’t think that Myth will be that different regarding illegal immigration. But who do we have that would be? (please don’t say Sarah..she has varied opinions, and she isn’t running.)

I am as much as American as you are...and as deeply offended by the disregard of the Constitution. But it ain’t the first time Barry has ruled by EO. So maybe we should focus on O’s trangressions instead of thinking that his opponent, the only one we have at this point, is a total dbag. He maybe...but he is what we are stuck with.

I don’t see that we will ever agree if we argued for weeks, but that’s o.k.

I will bid you a good evening...FRiend (and after looking at your homepage) fellow Texan.


134 posted on 06/16/2012 7:04:33 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Windflier
He did not disagree with Obama giving amnesty to potentially millions of illegals.

That's exactly what Obama's goal is. I dont care if it's Romney, McCain, Sheriff Joe or Allen West. There's no need to agree or disagree with the issue of Amnesty. It was defeated. Obama WANTS that to be the issue for two reasons.

One: He thinks he can get the latino vote by pandering

Two: It gets the bad unemployment numbers released on thursday out of the news for the weekend.

Three: It's another test run for the next executive order which will probably be to pardon student loan debts, then pardon home mortgages, legalization of marijuana...etc.

YES, ObamaCare=RomneyCare but I'm sorry it was Obama that has been signing these executive orders that's destroying this nation and putting us in debt more everyday.

135 posted on 06/16/2012 7:10:39 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: berdie
I actually don’t think that Myth will be that different regarding illegal immigration

And he most likely does. He did hire illegals not once but 2 or 3 times. Romney is our version of John Kerry (or maybe Al Gore). He blows in the wind. If he thought he could win an election supporting Amnesty he would be all for it. If he thought he could win an election by supporting abortion he would and was all for it. Romney IS a RINO. No disagreement there.

But let's not short change ourselves. We worked hard to defeat the Dream Act and we succeeded.

It is Obama who is acting like a dictator by-passing a Congress that defeated The Dream Act. We cannot have this.

If President Romney had done the same by-passing Congress (even if it were on an issue I happened to agree with) I would still have to support his impeachment and you can bet your life savings the democrats would be trying to impeach him as well. This needs to stop. Even Chavez moved slower than the man we have in the WH today (if you don't believe me - research it).

136 posted on 06/16/2012 7:20:25 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: tsowellfan
There's no need to agree or disagree with the issue of Amnesty. It was defeated.

You're still not hearing me (nor Romney either, apparently). I'd like it if you stopped trying to obfuscate the heart of what we're discussing here, and plainly confront the obvious.

Romney agrees with what Obama did. He wants amnesty for illegals. He agrees with Rubio's amnesty plan. Read his statement again, if you need to. He clearly thinks Obama is going about amnesty the wrong way, only because it can be undone by another president.

Again - any conservative worth their salt, sees this, and disagrees with Romney's position.

137 posted on 06/16/2012 7:23:39 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
He wants amnesty for illegals

THAT is news for you? Did you hear he had hired illegals to do yard work and got caught and hired them 2 or 3 times again after that?

Romney soft on illegals is NOT news to me.

What's important to be is what Romney would do if his Dream Act had gotten defeated.

If you think Romney's stance on Illegals is some sort of a smoking gun you obviously are just getting to know the man. Hint - You will NOT like what you learn.

He supported abortion before he was against it.

But the issue is not immigration, Amnesty or anything else other than a man in the WH by-passing Congress to make law.

NOT good.

138 posted on 06/16/2012 7:31:17 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: berdie
...maybe we should focus on O’s trangressions instead of thinking that his opponent, the only one we have at this point, is a total dbag. He maybe...but he is what we are stuck with.

If we had locked arms and refused to vote for George H.W. Bush, it would have made it that much harder for the GOP to run Dole in '96. If we'd refused to get behind Dole, we might have had a strong conservative candidate running in 2000. If we'd locked arms and refused to vote for McCain, we wouldn't now be faced with having to compromise our most basic principles to vote for a documented liberal like Romney.

Now, look at the Democrats' track in comparison. They have run progressively more leftist candidates, because that's what their voter base demands. There's no fear of running hard core ideologues on the left. They're not afraid that they might offend someone on the other side if they appear too stridently liberal.

Not so with our side, who appear to be pushing the party ever leftward. And it's going there, because we fall into line and vote for the Republican because, "he is what we are stuck with."

At what point do you finally put your foot down, and say "NO MORE!"?

139 posted on 06/16/2012 7:41:16 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Please take me off your ping list. I have the attention span of a gnat and your posts are just to long for me to read. Not to mention I never asked to be on your ping list in the first place.


140 posted on 06/16/2012 7:47:46 PM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: tsowellfan
"He wants amnesty for illegals"

THAT is news for you?

No, it's not news to me. Until your last reply, it sure appeared as though it was to you.

I'm going to end off here, because you've finally acknowledged the point I was making. That, and the fact that I have no idea what point you're trying to make. All I get, is you're defending Romney for some reason.

The man is not defensible. Not in any way.

141 posted on 06/16/2012 7:47:46 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: cableguymn

done ... and it wasn’t a ping list ...


142 posted on 06/16/2012 7:49:54 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: LibLieSlayer; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; dragnet2; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”jeb bush opened the door for obama with his progressive bashing of the base and the TEA Party over Amnesty and open borders... reid followed up from the well of the Senate with a blistering attack on the base and the TEA Party... and mittens bowed before obamao and kissed his ring today” is an safe line to use.

Well a Bush should know.

His brother GWB managed to become the gift to Dems that Carter was to Republicans for 15 years. Now few remember Carter but many remember GWB. "Don't elect a Republican because he will be like Bush" is a safe line.
You see any Republicans running for election claiming they are like GWB?

Jeb should stick to FLA.

143 posted on 06/16/2012 7:50:13 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

what would Reagan say?


Well.... There he goes again..


144 posted on 06/16/2012 8:14:16 PM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: Windflier

Dang..I thought I had already conceded that we will never agree. :)

You are going back to the late 1980’s and saying what we should have done. You may want to remember that alternative media was not the norm in the ‘80’s. Most people listened to what was on the msm or during debates. Some sought out facts, but most did not. Any more than they do today.

You really can’t change the past. It’s like saying...If I hadn’t gone to the store in 1980-1990-2000 I wouldn’t have had that car wreck. Hindsight is always 20-20.

Is the Repub Party trying to trac to the left? Absolutely. But I also see new blood being infused. Siesmic change will not happen over night..but I see things changing.

The Dems run hard core idealogues that promise to give the “gimme crowd” more stuff.

If you want to choose this election cycle to “put your foot down” have at it. Given your own argument, you should have done that long ago.

I am not happy with Romney. But I refuse to put my foot down when this country is in peril from a socialistic want to be dictator’s second term.

I assume you have a solution that is viable in the next five months. Hence your passion.


145 posted on 06/16/2012 9:24:15 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
God forbid we have a deep discussion on the illegals issue during an election year

Oh...another discussion on illegals and borders?

How nice!

Is this discussion # 8,960,127,401?

After 25 years of Americans voting, begging, protesting, screaming, petitioning, volunteering for relief of this violent government sponsored gang rape of our country, as hundreds of thousands of innocent Americans have been ran over by illegal drunks, killed, robbed, raped, murdered, shot, knifed, defrauded and burglarize......

Now we can all sit around for the billionth time and politely discuss multiple millions of disrespectful Mexicans entering our country illegally, as they literally choke off our schools, hospitals, jails, classrooms, social services, jobs, you name it!

You're joking right Mr. Ramjet?

146 posted on 06/16/2012 9:39:31 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: berdie
I am not happy with Romney. But I refuse to put my foot down when this country is in peril from a socialistic want to be dictator’s second term.

I assume you have a solution that is viable in the next five months. Hence your passion.

Actually, I do have a solution, but it's one that would require a great deal of courage, persistence, intention, and sheer cussedness, on the part of a few million stout hearted patriots to pull off.

I have little hope that my idea will be organized or executed within the next five months, so that leaves us with no alternative but to watch as one of the leading Socialists wins the election, then begin Resisting the elected's leftist agenda with everything we've got.

After the 'election', it's my hope that Free Republic will play a major role in that Resistance.

147 posted on 06/16/2012 10:21:14 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Oh My Gosh, Windflier..

I think we may agree on a course of action. :)


148 posted on 06/16/2012 10:32:45 PM PDT by berdie
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I think we may agree on a course of action. :)

Kewl :-)

Love it when I meet minds with a fellow patriot!

149 posted on 06/16/2012 10:53:58 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: dragnet2

Okay, you’ve crystallized an effect. So what is your recommendation?


150 posted on 06/17/2012 5:56:57 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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