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Drachmageddon? Middle-class poverty. Feral Gangs. Neo-Nazis. Athens Waits For The Volcano To Explode
The Daily Mail ^ | 6-15-2012 | Robert Hardman

Posted on 06/15/2012 9:02:11 PM PDT by blam

Drachmageddon? Middle-class poverty. Feral Gangs. Neo-Nazis. Athens Waits For The Volcano To Explode

By Robert Hardman
15 June 2012

Antonis Perris was a devoted son. When his elderly mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s four years ago, there was no question of putting her in a state facility.

He would care for her at home in Athens and they would face the future together.

But then things started getting very much worse.

‘The problem is that I was not prepared when the economic crisis hit and I do not have enough money in my account,’ wrote the 60-year-old unemployed musician.

‘My credit card is overdrawn, we do not have enough food to feed ourselves. I live a drama with no end. Does anyone have a solution for me? World leaders, you who brought this financial crisis, you all need hanging!’ On the brink: Greeks will go to the polls again on Sunday, and the outcome of their votes will be critical for the country's future.

Perris wrote of his despair in an internet chatroom three weeks ago. Then, one morning, he led his mother on to the roof of their five-storey apartment block. Hand-in-hand, they jumped off.

Not long ago, this episode would have been a national scandal. Today, it is just another tragic footnote to the story of a society on the brink of collapse.

On Monday morning, this modern European nation could be waking up to a nightmare scenario, which runs as follows. The cash machines start drying up. Supermarket shelves are cleared by families fearful that food supplies will run out.

There are queues round the block for the last dribbles from the petrol pumps, and deliveries come to a halt. Within a day or two, protests have turned to looting and random acts of violence

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: collapse; drachma; europe; financialcollapse; getreadyhereitcomes; greece; prepperping; survivalping
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1 posted on 06/15/2012 9:02:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Lord save their souls and ours.


2 posted on 06/15/2012 9:07:51 PM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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To: blam

Coming soon to a nation near you. :)


3 posted on 06/15/2012 9:11:34 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!


4 posted on 06/15/2012 9:14:06 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Tzimisce

We’ve always posted TSHF parables and scenarios, now we know what shit hitting the fans actually looks like.

People jumping, not leaving. That’s what they did in 1929. Just jumped. Never occured to them to just leave.


5 posted on 06/15/2012 9:18:03 PM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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To: Tzimisce

This is not happening just in Greece, there are stories starting to come out of Spain as well and Italy isn’t far behind. How many countries can Germany prop-up before they too are swamped? Britain is and France are already so weak that the Islamist will over run them when the time comes.

Here at home we find that the corner three card Monte dealer is more honest than most of the ‘Too Big to Fail’ banks and investment houses. And face it the Monte dealer who ‘scams’ a few hundred is a thousand times more likely to go to jail that the ‘banksters’ that are stealing millions.

The game is so rigged now that the fraudsters don’t even know how its going to play out. We are head for some bad times, which is one of the reasons I’ve been sounding the alarm. Its time that you either prepare to stand on your own beholden to no one or accept that you will be a ‘serf’ dependent on others to provide your basic needs.

Check out Ferfal’s blog and Selco’s blog despite what so many think it is possible for a modern country to quickly fall into chaos! It’s happen before and it is happening now.

Our society has infrastructure has grown so complex and interdependent that it only takes a few pieces to break to bring the whole thing down. Gene Roddenberry explained it like this: “Our society is so fragile, so dependent on the interworking of things to provide us with the goods and services that you don’t need nuclear warfare to fragment us anymore than the Romans needed it to cause their eventual downfall.”

As for me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

Some seem to think that prepping is foolish, so I ask you what’s easier telling your children and loved ones why you prepared or explaining to them why you didn’t?

But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. 1 Timothy 5:8

But then someone has to stand on the bridge waiting for FEMA to bring them a bottle of water, an MRE and a warm blanket so as to provide the Network Anchors their background ‘Money Shot’. I wonder how that will workout for them?

I am not saying that things will turn Mad Max/Book of Eli, (With the possible exception of a brief time in a few of the larger big blue cities) but things could easily breakdown for 30 to 60 days during which basic supplies, goods and services stop, banking stops (No checks No Credit Cards, No Debit Cards so on...) now how many people do you think are ready for such?

And between those not ready and those who have always had the ‘gubberment’ hand them everything what do you think the reaction will be?

Their reaction I think can be summed up in one of my favorite quotes:

Quark: Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes. ‘Star Trek: Deep Space Nine’: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf

NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

Lastly this for the doubters and the scoffers.

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”


6 posted on 06/15/2012 9:24:44 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

What an OUTSTANDING post. No wonder you’re such a legend on this site.

And by the way, yes, something has to give here too, with our $1.6T deficits (10% of our GNP!) there is simply no way that can be sustained. The party will have to end here as well.


7 posted on 06/15/2012 9:32:28 PM PDT by BobL
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To: blam

Monday ought to be a fascinating day for the markets. If nothing positive comes out of the election...just more chaos, then I think you will see a massive loss on the European markets, and the entire week will be miserable. The dollar will actually gain against the Euro....acting like like it was fifteen years ago (although it’s a fake strong, if you ask me).


8 posted on 06/15/2012 9:35:28 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: txhurl

Where could that man go? His problem is that he felt powerless to do anything about it.

World leaders might be responsible for this mess, but folks voted to enable the looters, who offered them promises of good times forever.


9 posted on 06/15/2012 9:35:49 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Kartographer

“Check out Ferfal’s blog and Selco’s blog...”

Could you give some links?


10 posted on 06/15/2012 9:46:05 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: BradyLS
Go back to Johnson's administration, when the bookeeping changed to 'the general fund' and IOUs were placed in accounts and the money collected in taxes to cover the supposed IOUs was spent on grand socialist programs which have done nothing but increase while the IOUs mount up without funds to pay the debts, so the elected oliograchs merely borrow to pay for their profligate spending. If you or I ran out household that way, the leos would eventually haul us away for criminal embezzlement of some sort.

The european socialist model is what little barry bastard commie is trying to establish in America, where the number of government dependents insures the oligarchs have the votes of the dependents and the number of government employees spirals out of control witht he accompanying too generous pension debentures, all to be paid by the once sovereign citizens while the banking elite maintain their lofty oligarchical positions. If we relly want to trace the decline to the correct starting point, it is Jekyl Island.

11 posted on 06/15/2012 9:50:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: PastorBooks

SHTF School (Selco)

http://shtfschool.com/

Ferfal’s Surviving Argentina

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

Argentina’s Economic Collapse - Part 1 of 12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6_i8zuffs

A synopsis of some of Selco’s post on his experiences in Bosnian

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2798007/posts

Much of this is in my Preparedness Manual.


12 posted on 06/15/2012 9:54:20 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: txhurl
In Greece’s On Going Financial Collapse Bartering Emerges In Greek Towns
13 posted on 06/15/2012 9:58:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Nobody pays their taxes but they retie in their 50’s.
Now they want the world to bankroll that lifestyle.


14 posted on 06/15/2012 10:02:31 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Kartographer

Looks like some good links... Thanks!

And thank you for your Preparedness guide!


15 posted on 06/15/2012 10:02:49 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: blam

The #1 issue facing people in a situation like this is that they either have the skills to make their own way... or they don’t.

When I read of the pathos and misery the press in Europe loves to tout in their attempts to shame the Germans into spending the treasure of Germany to fund the cushy grifters to Greece, I NB one this: The people who are killing themselves, the people who are rioting in the streets, etc... have a common issue: They’re devoid of any skills in producing a tangible product. They don’t know how to make anything, they don’t have skills with which they can barter (eg, a doctor) etc. Their entire lives have been lived as effete parasites upon those who have taken upon themselves the dirty work of building a running civilization.

As such, I don’t shed many tears at their demise.

This, people, is evolution in action. Humans were not supposed to be specialists, the evolutionary niche of insects. Homo sapiens evolved to adapt rapidly to changing conditions and rather than have to wait for the genetic adaptation to environmental conditions, humans could change their environment.

The over-educated, over-specialized and overly dramatic sorts of people who abound in today’s soft societies seem to have forgotten this.


16 posted on 06/15/2012 10:22:26 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: BradyLS

Where could that man go? His problem is that he felt powerless to do anything about it.


I tried to go to sleep pondering that exact question, found nothing but bitter and hopeless answers and so I’m back to see who might have an answer.

The only answer I have is location, location, location. Just like our American real estate. Why are some nations targeted for failure? To clear them out for colonization.


17 posted on 06/15/2012 10:22:26 PM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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To: CaptainK

Everyone wants something for nothing. That will be the death of us all I’m afraid. Hang on tight. The ride is about to get very, very rough.


18 posted on 06/15/2012 10:24:00 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: txhurl

Here’s the answer to your question. Apologies to Bob Dylan.

“When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose.”. Just sayn’.

L


19 posted on 06/15/2012 10:26:57 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

You can’t say we don’t pay our taxes.


20 posted on 06/15/2012 10:34:59 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Lurker

Is it too late to give Greece a blood transfusion of Wisconsin?


21 posted on 06/15/2012 10:49:38 PM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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To: blam

God have mercy on their souls.


22 posted on 06/15/2012 11:03:31 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Kartographer

The blame squarely goes on the voters of the world.

Over time they’ve all voted themselves “free” stuff that was either to be paid for by the “rich” or in the future by their own children and grandchildren. The banksters and the politicians simply provided what the voters demanded of them.

The economic theory that the west could continue endless ever expanding deficit spending and call it “growth” was a lie - a fatal lie.


23 posted on 06/15/2012 11:13:33 PM PDT by DB
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To: Kartographer
"I am not saying that things will turn Mad Max/Book of Eli, (With the possible exception of a brief time in a few of the larger big blue cities) but things could easily breakdown for 30 to 60 days during which basic supplies, goods and services stop, banking stops (No checks No Credit Cards, No Debit Cards so on...) now how many people do you think are ready for such?"

So you think that civilization will regroup after about 60 days of a complete meltdown? I hope so, because we live in the suburbs and while have about 6 months of prep, we can't grow food or kill game. After that, then it's the movie called, "The Road". Forget Mad Max and the Book of Ely (good movie), check out "The Road" for an even bleaker picture of post-apocalypse. It's awful, and probably the closest to how things would be for survival.

24 posted on 06/15/2012 11:20:43 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: NVDave

Some good points. Although the libs would say “inhumane”, I see reality in your post.


25 posted on 06/15/2012 11:24:00 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Lurker
"Everyone wants something for nothing. That will be the death of us all I’m afraid. Hang on tight. The ride is about to get very, very rough."

Yup. Truly believe you are correct and glad I'm heading in the back stretch.

I have a very simple explanation for the deteriorating economic status of the USA and most of Europe and why we will fail as the East grows more dominant:

Accomplishment, effort, and pride in work ethic has been replaced by laziness, self-aggrandizing, and unwarranted expectations from others who have the former.

Europe is our template nowadays. We will fail as they are now. But hey, we had a good run, didn't we?

26 posted on 06/15/2012 11:54:06 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Kartographer

i have a saying of my own preference, actually two one is
“if you are gonna panic, panic first”
and
“It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees”


27 posted on 06/16/2012 12:08:54 AM PDT by MrDaddyLongLegs (You dont need any qualifications to be a Politician)
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To: Kartographer

i have a saying of my own preference, actually two one is
“if you are gonna panic, panic first”
and
“It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees”


28 posted on 06/16/2012 12:09:17 AM PDT by MrDaddyLongLegs (You dont need any qualifications to be a Politician)
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To: blam

I’m amazed the headline doesn’t include the word “Acropolypse!”


29 posted on 06/16/2012 12:58:52 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: NVDave; A Navy Vet

Very well said, NVDave. I’ve received bits of advice over the past 15 years from several men (friends) who studied history, economics and warfare most of their lives. One was a historian and economist, who applied those studies and extensive travel to advice for governments and large corporations. Another was a commander (retired, Navy) of high rank and broad responsibility. There were others.

It’s too late for most people to begin to take that advice: to study and experience as many basic, natural physical events as possible, and to situate, build and tinker according to those lessons. It takes at least a few years to get a start in the complicated, laborious and uncompleted endeavor.

Most, instead, have prepared to find their demise much more quickly and would have scoffed at the advice anyway. Some people are already showing illogical, public anger against strangers for making their own repairs or buying ingredients to cook food from fundamental ingredients (from scratch).

There will be no recovery of what we once had (or better), until we see the moral paradigm of early America (or better) again.


30 posted on 06/16/2012 1:10:30 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: MrDaddyLongLegs

“if you are gonna panic, panic first”

LOL! I was telling my wife when I started prepping for Y2K that “Hey - I’m doing my public duty so I don’t add to the panic if it does happen”. And really, there is a lot to be said for that.


31 posted on 06/16/2012 1:50:13 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: blam

It all goes back to the fact that nothing is “free”; everything has a cost that must be paid.

Someone else must pay for the “free” items.
They only seem free because they are given as charity, purchased with a loan or received via via government wealth redistribution which is nothing more than extortion and confiscation from others.

Except for bona fide charity, a day of payback will surely arrive.
As the old adage goes: “You can pay me now or you can pay me later.”

People in Greece have come face to face with the day when payment is due.

Our stupid, venal, traitorous politicians and the self interest groups they pander to are taking the USA down the same pathway as Greece and the end is in sight.

And there is no favorable light at the end of the tunnel - that is just rioters burning and looting the neighborhoods.


32 posted on 06/16/2012 2:19:23 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: Kartographer

Reference bump - Thanks! ;-)


33 posted on 06/16/2012 2:28:01 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: A Navy Vet
Accomplishment, effort, and pride in work ethic has been replaced by laziness, self-aggrandizing, and unwarranted expectations from others who have the former.

And when you have fallen so far that the foolish people elect a lazy and self-aggrandizing bum as their leader there is little hope for a peaceful return to a society founded on self reliance and honesty.

We are being destroyed from within by millions of bums who expect more than they give, and who have now elected one of their own to take what they want from others.

Obama is their Golden Idol.


34 posted on 06/16/2012 2:33:40 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: CaptainK

“Nobody pays their taxes but they retie in their 50’s.
Now they want the world to bankroll that lifestyle.”

Right. They STILL want this. The Greeks obviously have no sense of responsibility for their current situation, it’s all somebody else’s fault. The rich, the politicians, the bankers, the Germans, the illegals, etc., etc.

I haven’t seen one person, in any article I’ve read about this say: gee, maybe our national lifestyle can’t go on the way it’s been going. They seem to be like those people in hurricane Katrina who were just sitting on their tushies waiting for “the government” to “do something”.

I think they should just all come up with a plan to devolve the Euro RIGHT NOW.

Sure, it might be a mess, but it’s already a mess. This stupid currency has been around for less than 20 years. Unravel it now and be done with it.


35 posted on 06/16/2012 3:15:51 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Iron Munro

And there is no favorable light at the end of the tunnel

To repeat a joke that is no joke, When a politician sees light at the end of the tunnel, they buy more tunnel.


36 posted on 06/16/2012 4:24:30 AM PDT by wita
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To: Iron Munro

This country is at the mid-point between those who produce
and those who don’t.


37 posted on 06/16/2012 5:13:10 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: txhurl

I remember getting a series of blood (well, plasma) transfusions.
Very unpleasant. Broke out in severe hives, everywhere, each time.
Greece has made it very clear they are uninterested in “unpleasant” solutions.


38 posted on 06/16/2012 5:49:08 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Kartographer
OH it can't happen here!

We done gone and gots the Black Superman looking after us.

Party like it's 1999!

39 posted on 06/16/2012 5:53:56 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: NVDave
"This, people, is evolution in action. Humans were not supposed to be specialists, the evolutionary niche of insects. Homo sapiens evolved to adapt rapidly to changing conditions and rather than have to wait for the genetic adaptation to environmental conditions, humans could change their environment. "

I appreciate this view and agree.

40 posted on 06/16/2012 5:55:14 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.-Robert Heinlein.


41 posted on 06/16/2012 6:30:38 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Iron Munro
Bank Of England Panic's, Funnels £140 Billion To Bankrupt Banks Ahead Of Eurogeddon
42 posted on 06/16/2012 6:39:47 AM PDT by blam
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To: NVDave

You’re right about skills. On a recent thread, there was a guy who vacationed in Athens who claimed there was nothing to see or do. One would think that this was the perfect time for not just Greece but Italy, Spain and the others to zone in on the tourist dollar. If your own country doesn’t have the money, then you bring in outside money. I’m sure a couple hundred of Moochelle’s closest and dearest would jump at the chance to re-visit Spain and do the Old Country gig. Or, on the grassroots level, there’s the world wide web to market a community’s old world crafts.


43 posted on 06/16/2012 6:50:33 AM PDT by bgill
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To: blam; Kartographer

Thanks again for the ping and the post, gentlemen.

Here in FLA, we have a number of trigger events coming up that could ignite the accelerant.

First, it’s Hurricane Season again. While a number of Floridians have endured storm after storm through the years, there is ALWAYS panic-buying and raiding the shops prior to a storm. Additionally, the infrastructure is fragile(power, water, telecomms). If we get a strong one again, like the 2004 season or a repeat of Andrew in ‘92, we could see a Katrina scenario again.

In August, we have the RNC National Convention here in Tampa. The city mayor already tried a gun-grab, ordering that there be no firearms in the city limits during the convention; the Governor shot it down. Internet traffic shows the Leftists plan to disrupt the convention by any means necessary. And the neighborhoods of feral blacks are just looking for an excuse to “party”.

And no one can predict when or where the Zimmerman case will go down. The race-industry has already proclaimed they will start riots, regardless of whether there’s an acquittal or a conviction.

Myself and The Bride have had dinner-table discussions in recent weeks, along with the wedding plans. We are making ourselves harder targets, and planning out expansions to our preps. And since we’re both vets, we’re going to teach the daughters basic marksmanship.


44 posted on 06/16/2012 6:52:55 AM PDT by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: jocon307

This article smells of lib msm spinning.


45 posted on 06/16/2012 6:58:02 AM PDT by bgill
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To: BradyLS

I have little sympathy for the pathetic whiner who jumped off the roof with his mom.

Why could the “unemployed musician” not go out in the street and seek work? 60 y/o? That’s young!

Recently I was approached at the Post Office by a lady who appeared to be about 80. She had a five gallon bucket, spoke not a word of English, and was selling tamales 12 for $7. I bought a dozen and watched her for a while. She was probably clearing $200/day making tamales at night and peddling them during they day.

I respect her work ethic and self-sufficient attitude far more than I respect the whiny euroweenies.


46 posted on 06/16/2012 7:05:31 AM PDT by darth
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To: bgill

Putting Neo-nazi’s in the title, a small minority in Greece, while failing to mention the violent anarcho-socialists who have been a major part of all Greek riots does show bias.


47 posted on 06/16/2012 7:09:02 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: darth

Reminds me of the pictures I’ve seen of NYC in days past and the guys who went door to door sharpening knives...or, the rag-men pushing carts down the streets.


48 posted on 06/16/2012 7:16:02 AM PDT by blam
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To: DB

The elitists do the divide and conquer for power game. They stoke racial/tribal competition and envy and class envy. Judges have systematically undone the constitution.

The people in the US did not vote for, nor do they approve of, Obamacare. They did not vote for, nor did they approve of the Federal Reserve. Roosevelts welfare programs were imposed via the removal of judges to get around the constitution. We did not vote for the foreign invasion of our borders. These and other super destructive events and programs are things the elite did - the elite’s propaganda media, judges, lawyers and politicans.

The Kennedys highlighted this elitist, coordinated attack on the country by giving special awards to politicans who showed the ‘courage’ to go against the American people, constitution and interest.

So it’s the voters’ fault for not having the ability and sense to hang people who violate the constitution and abuse them for treason. There would have been no media, judges or politicans to help in that. But other than street ‘justice’, there is nothing voters in America can really do to stop the elitists from wrecking the country as serves their total power and control.


49 posted on 06/16/2012 7:23:01 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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50 posted on 06/16/2012 8:31:21 AM PDT by spankalib (The Marx-in-the-Parks crowd is a basement skunkworks operation of the AFL-CIO)
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