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How shock waves will hit US if Greece drops euro
AP ^ | 6/16/12 | Matthew Craft

Posted on 06/16/2012 2:22:35 PM PDT by Evil Slayer

NEW YORK (AP) -- The unthinkable suddenly looks possible.

Bankers, governments and investors are preparing for Greece to stop using the euro as its currency, a move that could spread turmoil throughout the global financial system.

(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eucrisis; greececrisis

1 posted on 06/16/2012 2:22:39 PM PDT by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer

Bigtime FAIL!!!

Sometimes I wonder is this is exactly what the Soviets wanted. Destroying Europe without firing a shot.


2 posted on 06/16/2012 2:24:30 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: Evil Slayer

Bigtime FAIL!!!

Sometimes I wonder if this is exactly what the Soviets wanted. Destroying Europe without firing a shot.


3 posted on 06/16/2012 2:24:37 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The Soviets did not create the Euro.


4 posted on 06/16/2012 2:27:02 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952

The European Union is a soviet (government of councils).


5 posted on 06/16/2012 2:28:51 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I believe ex-KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov had quite a lot to say about the Soviet Union and it’s on-going plot to take over the world. We think we won the Cold War; I’m not sure Bezmenov saw it that way.


6 posted on 06/16/2012 2:30:52 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Obama needs more time. After all -- Rome wasn't burned in a day.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Somehow I just don’t think it will be all that bad.


7 posted on 06/16/2012 2:35:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You are correct, I do believe.


8 posted on 06/16/2012 2:36:11 PM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: Evil Slayer
Best thing that could happen, return sovereignty back to Greece.
9 posted on 06/16/2012 2:41:53 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I think the KGB is probably amazed that the propaganda organs they set up in the West have been so spectacularly successful. Not only did they outlast the Soviet Union, they do seem to be accelerating the decline & fall of Western civilization. And this occurred in spite of the obvious failures of communist states and Marxist ideology.


10 posted on 06/16/2012 2:46:18 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: fortheDeclaration

Concur. I think all European countries would be better off if they rule themselves. Going back to muliple currencies will be annoying, but its a small price to pay. The EU buresucracy in Brussels (as well as the UN) is probably quaking in their boots over this.


11 posted on 06/16/2012 2:49:03 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: rbg81

somehow obama will blame bush and take credit for saving the world from economic collapse.


12 posted on 06/16/2012 2:53:16 PM PDT by 1st Division guy
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To: Evil Slayer

I strongly doubt this will happen. The bankers/investors will lose hordes of money, as they should. They are the ones who caused most of this mess! They are the ones who convinced Bush to give in to bank rescue plan, when it should have been allowed to fail. Stupid investors/bankers + stupid politicians.

The sky will not fall!


13 posted on 06/16/2012 2:54:01 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Evil Slayer

This is a financial version of the discussion in Blade Runner:

Tyrell: [Tyrell explains to Roy why he can’t extend his lifespan] The facts of life... to make an alteration in the evolvement of an organic life system is fatal. A coding sequence cannot be revised once it’s been established.
Batty: Why not?
Tyrell: Because by the second day of incubation, any cells that have undergone reversion mutation give rise to revertant colonies, like rats leaving a sinking ship; then the ship... sinks.
Batty: What about EMS-3 recombination?
Tyrell: We’ve already tried it - ethyl, methane, sulfinate as an alkylating agent and potent mutagen; it created a virus so lethal the subject was dead before it even left the table.
Batty: Then a repressor protein, that would block the operating cells.
Tyrell: Wouldn’t obstruct replication; but it does give rise to an error in replication, so that the newly formed DNA strand carries with it a mutation - and you’ve got a virus again... but this, all of this is academic. You were made as well as we could make you.
Batty: But not to last.
Tyrell: The light that burns twice as bright burns for half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, Roy. Look at you: you’re the Prodigal Son; you’re quite a prize!
Batty: I’ve done... questionable things.
Tyrell: Also extraordinary things; revel in your time.
Batty: Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn’t let you into heaven for.


14 posted on 06/16/2012 2:56:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: bill1952; EQAndyBuzz

>>The Soviets did not create the Euro.<<

They didn’t have to.

When your enemy is making a mistake, do not stop him.


15 posted on 06/16/2012 3:00:14 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Evil Slayer

Yawn... the article is designed to frighten, yet the acting in it is worse than in the new Prometheus movie.

Let Europe fail. They want to default on their debt anyway. That is what they will get out of this crisis.


16 posted on 06/16/2012 3:09:08 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: rbg81
I think all European countries would be better off if they rule themselves. Going back to muliple currencies will be annoying, but its a small price to pay.

The goal was to set up the Euro as the world's reserve currency: crash the dollar, and buy American assets cheap with printed money without inflationary consequence. They couldn't sustain the welfare state long enough for America to implode.

Saddam Hussein threatened to go to the Euro for oil purchases. Within weeks Bush was pitching to take down Iraq.

17 posted on 06/16/2012 3:11:04 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Evil Slayer

It’ll work out for the Greeks ....let ‘ em have their drachma


18 posted on 06/16/2012 3:15:08 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Evil Slayer
The more worried the media, the less serious will be the fallout. Not saying there won't be any; but it won't be catastrophic.
19 posted on 06/16/2012 3:18:07 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Evil Slayer

One way or another American taxpayers will get screwed by participating in trying to rescue Europe from their financial mess. My guess is massive U.S. involvement via borrowed money and the printing presses.

They’ll call it investing in our future. Obama will become the hero of Europe at the expense of U.S. citizens until after the election when it all falls apart again.


20 posted on 06/16/2012 3:19:49 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Evil Slayer
The article is fairly well detailed and worrisome...

most of the time reading it I found myself pondering how much Soros/zer0 might make from this crisis

21 posted on 06/16/2012 3:21:58 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Evil Slayer

“They think the path of a full-blown crisis would start in Greece, quickly move to the rest of Europe and then hit the U.S. Stocks and oil would plunge, the euro would sink against the U.S. dollar, and big banks would suffer losses on complex trades.”

The entire problem with Greece and the euro can be traced to Obama’s wild spending since he took office as president. He will be to one to blame for this mess.


22 posted on 06/16/2012 3:22:33 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The Greeks did it to themselves. They spent more than they had - and now their country’s broke. Democrats have done the same here... We’re not next, but we’re on the list.


23 posted on 06/16/2012 3:30:18 PM PDT by GOPJ (The doting court eunuchs of the MSM fail to notice...)
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To: Evil Slayer

Does a weak/dead Euro make the Dollar stronger?


24 posted on 06/16/2012 3:30:43 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Southack
They want to default on their debt anyway. That is what they will get out of this crisis.

Who's going to loan them money? Who will extend credit? They can't pay their debt now, add 7 interest points and the State won't have the money to fix roads - no less contribute to unemployment, pensions, etc... Greeks buy electricity and gas from other countries - they'll have to pay cash. A devalued cash...

25 posted on 06/16/2012 3:39:12 PM PDT by GOPJ (The doting court eunuchs of the MSM fail to notice...)
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To: Evil Slayer

I think that the Greeks have learned a harsh lesson in letting foreign political structures and banks control their currency. If a country can’t control its currency, can it really be considered a sovereign nation?


26 posted on 06/16/2012 3:46:39 PM PDT by PauldArco
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
The fear of it can and has. It was occurring up to a day or two ago, then the Euro started regaining a small amount.

People in other nations of the world have been long accustomed to dealing with other currencies, exchange rates and economic difficulties. When theirs is headed into trouble, a surprising number will look for an offshore account denominated in another currency deemed “safe” at that time. Argentinians fled their peso for dollars during their crisis, Europeans have been going to Swiss Francs and dollars more recently.

It does strengthen the currency, usually a temporary effect as the crisis passes and the safe haven currency is exchanged for the native currency once again. You see it in times of instability, usually hand in hand with spikes in the price of precious metals, which rise for the same reason and often decline for the same reason.

27 posted on 06/16/2012 3:46:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
Resounding yes.

Larry Kudlow ought to have a very interesting radio show tonight.

28 posted on 06/16/2012 3:47:16 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: GOPJ

Let me fix that.

“They spent more than they had - and now their country’s broke. Both parties have done the same here... We’re not next, but we’re on the list.”


29 posted on 06/16/2012 3:47:42 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: GOPJ

Loaning money to governments was always a bad idea...that is just more obvious now.


30 posted on 06/16/2012 3:50:38 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Uncle Slayton

The current meme is that government borrowing/spending is harmless...that you can have unending amounts without consequence.

Consider how the world changes when that meme is destroyed.


31 posted on 06/16/2012 3:53:08 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

“The current meme is that government borrowing/spending is harmless...that you can have unending amounts without consequence.”

That is sustainable, at least for the short term, when a nation has the luxury of printing a fiat currency.

Greece and other EU nations cannot print currency and get in deep dodo immediately.

The only people dumber than the Greeks are the Germans and the bankers who loaned Greece all of that cash.


32 posted on 06/16/2012 3:58:01 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Uncle Slayton

The Greeks print Euros today. The Japanese print Yen today. Printing wont save an economy.


33 posted on 06/16/2012 4:00:57 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

“The Greeks print Euros today. The Japanese print Yen today.”

While the Japanese can print yen, the Greeks cannot independently print euros as that is controlled by the EU as a whole.


34 posted on 06/16/2012 4:06:25 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Evil Slayer

Providing cover for obama.


35 posted on 06/16/2012 4:22:46 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

>> “Sometimes I wonder is this is exactly what the Soviets wanted” <<

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Soviets?

You mean the Keynesian soviets of the west?

This chaos has been planned for 100 years; get used to it, it’ll get worse soon.


36 posted on 06/16/2012 4:51:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Uncle Slayton

> “”The only people dumber than the Greeks are the Germans and the bankers who loaned Greece all of that cash.” <<

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You can add BofA, Citi, JP Morgan, and Wells fargo to that list of dumbers.


37 posted on 06/16/2012 4:54:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: PauldArco

>> “ If a country can’t control its currency, can it really be considered a sovereign nation?” <<

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We’re headed there when we join the global currency, and it is planned for next year.


38 posted on 06/16/2012 4:59:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: rbg81

“I think the KGB is probably amazed that the propaganda organs they set up in the West have been so spectacularly successful. Not only did they outlast the Soviet Union, they do seem to be accelerating the decline & fall of Western civilization. And this occurred in spite of the obvious failures of communist states and Marxist ideology.”

So true!!! It’s my understanding that they ceased funding their front groups in the West (i.e., the Democrats and sympathizers)...but rather than going away, these groups have gotten stronger and stronger after the fall of the Soviets.

There’s probably more than one KGB person scratching his head trying to figure out why they wasted so much money funding these clowns...when they were more than willing to do their dirty work for free.


39 posted on 06/16/2012 5:02:17 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Uncle Slayton

Hasn’t Obama spent more than all the other Presidents - combined?


40 posted on 06/16/2012 5:18:31 PM PDT by GOPJ (The doting court eunuchs of the MSM fail to notice...)
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To: Uncle Slayton

Greece prints all $10 Euro notes today. Anytime Greece prints more Euros than what is authorized, the excess is considered an instant debt owed to the ECB.


41 posted on 06/16/2012 5:57:51 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I'm sure they are happy to fish in these troubled waters but I don't see Russia as having engineered this "destruction." Europe has done that for themselves very well.
42 posted on 06/16/2012 5:59:11 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: freedumb2003

I just got home from seeing Prometheus, and was just thinking how that movie took about as much from Blade Runner as Alien.


43 posted on 06/16/2012 7:18:47 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Evil Slayer

It shouldn’t affect the rest of us so much. The globetrotting, government-linked political/regulator class is responsible, and they won’t get to keep the high dollar while killing what little remains of American manufacturing.

The dollar will continue to fall, and oil will continue to rise (demand in countries that our manufacturing was handed to by the traitors).


44 posted on 06/16/2012 10:12:24 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Evil Slayer

When a little country like socialist Greece can derail the whole global economy, what does that tell you about the stability and wisdom of globalism. It serves the multinationalists and the elitists they have bought, but it does not support the Nations and people.


45 posted on 06/16/2012 10:18:58 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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