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Suspected military plane wreck, bones found on Alaska glacier
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/15/12233518-suspected-military-plane-wreck-bones-found-on-alaska-glacier ^ | 6/16/ 2012 | Chris Klint

Posted on 06/16/2012 3:09:30 PM PDT by Eye of Unk

Edited on 06/16/2012 3:27:15 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Suspected military plane wreck, bones found on Alaska glacier By Chris Klint, Channel 2/KTUU.com and msnbc.com news services ANCHORAGE, Alaska Possible military aircraft debris, along with material that may be bone fragments, has been discovered in the Knik Glacier area, north-east of Anchorage, according to officials.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: alaska; haleboggs; missingaircraft; missingplane; sourcetitlenoturl
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1 posted on 06/16/2012 3:09:35 PM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: Eye of Unk

“Capt. Tania Bryan, director of public affairs for the Alaskan Command, said the crash was believed to be that of a vintage aircraft and “not recent.”

How long have they had one missing??


2 posted on 06/16/2012 3:12:36 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Eye of Unk

My apologies for a bad post, I don’t post news very often or at all, but this little event is not very far from me, there is a near total lockdown of anybody in the flight area by a NOTAM.

Also though they say it may be a military crash my money is its the ill fated expedition of hale Boggs.

If it is then it also reveals a Clinton connection, here is a link to that story.

http://www.check-six.com/lib/Famous_Missing/Boggs.htm


3 posted on 06/16/2012 3:13:29 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Did they find a funny shield with a star on it?


4 posted on 06/16/2012 3:15:01 PM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: WKUHilltopper

They found a WWII plane with mummified bodies on a glacier a few years ago in my neck of the woods.


5 posted on 06/16/2012 3:15:22 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Not many missing military aircraft but quite a few private.

Here is an excerpt from a very famous one:

UPDATED: We have never-before-seen documents pertaining to the search for Hale Boggs and Nick Begich!
Who:

Two high-ranking members of Congress: House Majority Leader Hale Boggs (D-Louisiana) and Rep. Nick Begich (D-Alaska).

Hale Boggs

Nick Begich
Total Persons on Board:

Four (also onboard was Begich’s aide Russell Brown, and pilot Don Jonz.)

When:

October 16, 1972

Weather:

Low clouds, fog, drizzle

Flight Route:

Disappeared on a flight from Anchorage to Juneau, Alaska

Area Believed Crashed:

Disappeared as it was approaching the Chugach mountain range in southeast Alaska.

Reason for flight:

Political junket

Type Plane:

Cessna 310C (FAA Registration - N1812H)

Search efforts:

At the time, this was the biggest search in the history of the country, involving 40 military and 20 civilian aircraft. Everything from Coast Guard helicopters and cutters, to Air Force spy aircraft, as well as numerous private aircraft. After thirty-nine days the air search was abandoned.

Click here to see the official NTSB mishap report (1.07 MB in size, Requires Abode Acrobat)

Controversy:

The Washington-based newspaper, Roll Call, which reports on Capitol Hill, found information through the Freedom of Information Act that two FBI telexes had come in from the FBI office in Los Angeles, indicating that someone had contacted the FBI and that they had knowledge of the whereabouts of the plane and that two people were still living at the site and they gave the coordinates. This was followed up by another telex two days later in which the FBI said that they had verified the authenticity of the source and established their credibility. The source was working in surveillance technologies for an undisclosed firm and they had located the plane.

See the FBI Telex - Page 1 Page 2 Page 3 UPDATE BELOW!

Some of the other interesting points surrounding the disappearance include; Boggs was taken to the airport for the first leg of the trip by a young democrat named Bill Clinton who later, as President, appointed Congressman Boggs’ wife, Lindy, to the position of US Ambassador to the Vatican after she served eighteen years in the Congress after her husband’s disappearance.

Boggs also served on the Warren Commission that investigated the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Some web sites and conspiracy theorists have reported that Boggs wasn’t happy with the commission’s findings and was pushing for the investigation to be reopened at the time of his death.

However, according to his daughter Cokie Roberts, the nationally known television journalist, she told listeners to a talk radio show in April 2004 that her father had no problems with the commission’s finding that he was not pushing for the investigation into the Kennedy assassination to be reopened. She said, “I just don’t know where people get these ideas from.”

The host replied, “The Internet.”


6 posted on 06/16/2012 3:17:01 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

“Also though they say it may be a military crash my money is its the ill fated expedition of hale Boggs.”

The story says it’s a military plane. IIRC, Boggs was aboard a civilian aircraft.


7 posted on 06/16/2012 3:20:50 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Eye of Unk

http://www.check-six.com/lib/Famous_Missing/ArmyU-21_081.htm

If its this wreck which is military then they must have flown in the opposite direction. Knik Glacier I have hunted near, Iliama is over by Anchorage maybe 60 miles or so away.


8 posted on 06/16/2012 3:22:08 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Hale Boggs was the father of ABC News’ Cokie Roberts.


9 posted on 06/16/2012 3:23:07 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: WKUHilltopper

flight 19?


10 posted on 06/16/2012 3:24:05 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Eye of Unk

I have heard stories about a WW 2 crash where the plane was reportedly carrying either gold bullion or a large military payroll that has never been found.


11 posted on 06/16/2012 3:27:18 PM PDT by Species8472 (Stupid is supposed to hurt)
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To: Species8472

I have heard of that as well, but the one that has the Air Force really concerned about back then was “Rivet Amber”

http://www.check-six.com/lib/Famous_Missing/RivetAmber.htm


12 posted on 06/16/2012 3:29:25 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Here is another notorious Alaska missing aircraft, that to date has not been found. Nor any of the 44 persons on board.

http://www.check-six.com/lib/Famous_Missing/C-54D_42-72469.htm


13 posted on 06/16/2012 3:33:32 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Some missing jets since the 1940’s.


14 posted on 06/16/2012 3:38:19 PM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Will Rogers and Wylie Post immediately come to my mind.


15 posted on 06/16/2012 3:39:04 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: WKUHilltopper

I mean planes, not jets.


16 posted on 06/16/2012 3:40:17 PM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: Eye of Unk
According to the link you posted, Boggs’ plane “Disappeared as it was approaching the Chugach mountain range in southeast Alaska”.

This article says the crash being investigated is NE of Anchorage, a very long way from the Chugach Mountains.

17 posted on 06/16/2012 3:42:51 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Eye of Unk

Rivit Amber an RC-135 took off from Shemya was not heard from after take off, I refueled some going up to the North Pole.


18 posted on 06/16/2012 3:45:14 PM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: Eye of Unk

If it was her, Amelia Earhart was really really really lost.


19 posted on 06/16/2012 3:47:22 PM PDT by Sparky1776
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To: Eye of Unk
I believe that aircraft just came out of depot inspection and repair.
20 posted on 06/16/2012 3:48:13 PM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: Mister Da

I have my flight sectional (map) out in my storage trailer, the Knik Glacier area is indeed somewhat NE of Anchorage, some deviation because of true north to magnetic north, about 17 degrees I think.


21 posted on 06/16/2012 3:53:44 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk
Did a quick search and found that the Army had airfields at Anchorage and Fairbanks during WWII.

Here's the link to the Alaska Historical Society on the subject:

Alaska in WWII

22 posted on 06/16/2012 4:01:48 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Species8472

***I have heard stories about a WW 2 crash where the plane was reportedly carrying either gold bullion or a large military payroll that has never been found.***

One of those is supposed to be in the Lava beds in New Mexico.


23 posted on 06/16/2012 4:02:51 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Did Amelia E. have enough fuel to go that far???


24 posted on 06/16/2012 4:05:28 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Mister Da

Allow me to describe a bit about the Chugach Mnts, first off I am not an expert of that part of Alaska, its totally remote from me, but the northern part I think does come up near the eastern side of Anchorage, many times I have flown over them on departures and approached to Anchorage, very bumpy at times.

One time in 2004 returning from Orlando we hit some turbulance that would have thrown everyone up against the ceiling, and just last year after takeoff and making the climb over them the aircraft had a turbine failure of something that controls cabin pressurization, had to abort, returned to Anchorage and had to board another flight.


25 posted on 06/16/2012 4:07:42 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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“At the time, this was the biggest search in the history of the country, involving 40 military and 20 civilian aircraft. Everything from Coast Guard helicopters and cutters, to Air Force spy aircraft, as well as numerous private aircraft. After thirty-nine days the air search was abandoned.”

I believe the SR-71 Blackbird was called into that search as well.


26 posted on 06/16/2012 4:25:29 PM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

“They found a WWII plane with mummified bodies on a glacier a few years ago in my neck of the woods.”

Wow! That’s fascinating! With bodies, it was a bomber, cargo plane?


27 posted on 06/16/2012 4:35:57 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: pointsal

“Did Amelia E. have enough fuel to go that far???”

Well, no wonder they haven’t found her. She was way off course!


28 posted on 06/16/2012 4:39:32 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: TalBlack

Actually my interest was the then very young William Clinton and his involvement. Just imaging a conspiracy theory of Begich and Clinton makes me dizzy.


29 posted on 06/16/2012 4:39:56 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

“Here is another notorious Alaska missing aircraft, that to date has not been found. Nor any of the 44 persons on board.”

That’s incredible...I had no idea. Thanks.


30 posted on 06/16/2012 4:44:31 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Happened a few years ago now, don’t remember the details, but it was an Army Air Corp plane that crashed on Mendenhall Glacier in the High Sierra above Big Pine, California circa 1943. Found by climbers around 2007. Two mummified bodies were recovered.


31 posted on 06/16/2012 4:49:14 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: WKUHilltopper
He wrote:: "I found some wreckage from a C-46 or C-47 in Merrill Pass, Alaska. Tail number is 348069, see the photo. No info found on it. I even contacted Joseph Baugher. http://www.akphotograph.com/Alaska%20Photos/index.html I have several photos of the wreckage, radios, landing gear, engines and an entire wing. Any information would be appreciated." This website identifies it as a Douglas C-47, 43-48069. The crashdate was 21Apr52 but except'Alaska' that website offers no further details. The website www.aerotransport.org has more details: 43-48069 is a C-47A-DK with msn/ manufacturer's serial number (aka construction number or c/n) 25330. It has a remark; 'ultimate fate obscured', well now we know.. Another Wasilla resident while hiking near Merril Pass found this fuselage number from a military type aircraft. A C47D. Here is a link for that page. http://www.ruudleeuw.com/search116.htm
32 posted on 06/16/2012 4:49:23 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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“Some of the other interesting points surrounding the disappearance include; Boggs was taken to the airport for the first leg of the trip by a young democrat named Bill Clinton who later, as President, appointed Congressman Boggs’ wife, Lindy, to the position of US Ambassador to the Vatican after she served eighteen years in the Congress after her husband’s disappearance.”

So how did Clinton benefit? He got the girl?


33 posted on 06/16/2012 4:49:23 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Eye of Unk

http://www.ruudleeuw.com/search116.htm

Great pics of aircraft lost in Alaska.


34 posted on 06/16/2012 4:51:28 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Vermont Lt
"flight 19?"

I thought they found it at the beginning of that movie:



35 posted on 06/16/2012 5:44:20 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PLMerite

That was the area where a Japanese 747 saw a HUGE ufo about 25 years ago-I read an article about that sighting and still find it one of the most compelling stories I ever read.


36 posted on 06/16/2012 5:59:33 PM PDT by Larry381 ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.")
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To: Eye of Unk

Unknown Location AK, Flying Boxcar Crashes, Nov 1952
Posted January 21st, 2008 by Stu Beitler

SECOND FLYING BOXCAR IS MISSING IN ALASKA.

BIG AIRPLANE FEARED DOWN WITH 20 MEN.

Anchorage, Alaska (AP) — Another big C-119 Flying Boxcar, with 20 men aboard, has disappeared in Alaska and is feared to have crashed, the Air Force announced Sunday.
The twin-engined, double-tailed transport is the third of its type lost in eight days. They carried 83 men.
Nineteen airmen and soldiers went down with a C-119 when it hit an Alaskan peak Nov. 7. A week later, 44 died in a Korea mountain crash.
The latest C-119 to meet disaster vanished Saturday on a flight from Elmendorf Air Force Base, Anchorage, to Kodiak, 250 miles to the southwest.
Aboard were five crewmen, one Air Force enlisted medic and 14 Army men stationed regularly in Alaska. Identification were withheld.
Search Curtailed.
Bad weather Saturday curtailed search operations, but clouds cleared Sunday and nine Air Force planes shuttled between here and Kodiak seeking some clue to the transport’s fate.
Dozens of other planes and paramedic crews stood by ready to take off at a moment’s notice if needed.
The missing transport was on a routine flight as part of “Exercise Warmwind,” current Alaska training maneuvers. Its sister ship that struck Mt. Silverthrone, 135 miles north of here, on Nov. 7 also was taking part in the exercise. Bodies of the 19 victims have not been recovered.
From Florida Base.
Both C-119s were from the 435th Troop Carrier Wing, Miami, Fla., and were among more than a score flown north for the maneuvers.
The Air Force said the missing plane last was heard from at 12:06 p.m. Saturday (5:06 p.m. EST) 25 minutes after takeoff. The flight to Kodiak should have taken only an hour and 25 minutes. The plane was posted as overdue after its fuel was known to have been exhausted at 9:40 p.m. (2:40 a.m. Sunday, EST).
The route to Kodiak Island, in the Gulf of Alaska, is over both land and water.
The Alaskan Air Command said the C-119 should have been over the rugged, mountain studded Kenai Peninsila[sic] when it made its last report.

Walla Walla Union-Bulletin Washington 1952-11-17

TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: No trace of the aircraft or its occupants has ever been located.
Partial Listing of Missing Passengers and Crew.
Capt. RUSSELL G. PECK, JR., instructor-pilot, Hialeah, Fla.
Capt. EDWIN S. BOYD, pilot, Hialeah, Fla.
AIrman 2C JOHN T. LANDIS, radio operator, Miami.
Airman 1C JIMMIE ROBERTSON, flight engineer, son of J. S. Robinson, Perry, Fla.

http://www3.gendisasters.com/alaska/4622/unknown-location-ak%2C-flying-boxcar-crashes%2C-nov-1952


37 posted on 06/16/2012 6:25:19 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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Military moves cautiously in identifying plane wreckage

With a dozen planes gone missing, investigators can’t say right off which this is.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2012/06/16/2507734/investigators-move-cautiously.html#storylink=cpy


38 posted on 06/16/2012 11:40:27 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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39 posted on 06/16/2012 11:55:38 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Ignore that “Location of Detail” its in the wrong place.

This area of interest is SW of Wasilla up on the Knik Glacier, very heavily rugged mountains here up to 10,000 feet.


40 posted on 06/16/2012 11:59:38 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

That’s a great website...thanks for sharing it.


41 posted on 06/17/2012 3:41:38 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Thanks for the info.


42 posted on 06/17/2012 3:42:22 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Mister Da

The Chugach Mountain range is east of Anchorage, most of it is to the Southeast, but a portion of it is Northeast of Anchorage.

http://www.greatlandofalaska.com/reference/ranges.html


43 posted on 06/18/2012 6:51:45 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Mister Da

For better clarity:

The Knik Glacier {site of the crash debris} is located on the northern edge of Alaska’s Chugach mountains.

http://www.knikglacier.com/


44 posted on 06/18/2012 7:00:39 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Eye of Unk

Debris from old military plane on glacier sent to labs

http://www.adn.com/2012/06/26/2521241/debris-gathered-from-old-military.html


45 posted on 06/27/2012 5:00:05 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: thackney

They have collected the debris and some remains, its definitely a 1950’s era military aircraft.


46 posted on 06/27/2012 5:03:33 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Thanks for the update!


47 posted on 06/27/2012 5:18:50 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Check post #37, I wonder if its the missing “Flying Boxcar” from 1952.


48 posted on 06/27/2012 5:40:43 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: thackney

Probably not related but worth reading, especially since the air crashes from that era have just been declassified.

http://www.stripes.com/news/soldier-hopes-to-find-remains-of-uncle-other-victims-of-1952-alaska-crash-1.11706


49 posted on 06/27/2012 5:48:17 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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http://www.adn.com/2012/06/26/2521241/debris-gathered-from-old-military.html

From the brief description in the article, it doesn’t sound like there was much left identifiable.


50 posted on 06/27/2012 5:49:59 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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