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'Peace process clinically dead, Israel responsible'
Jerusalem Post ^ | 6-17-12 | KHALED ABU TOAMEH

Posted on 06/18/2012 5:53:14 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

The peace process is clinically dead and Israel bears full responsibility, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas declared Sunday.

“The ball is in the Israeli court,” Abbas said in a speech at a conference on Jerusalem that was held in Ramallah.

The Palestinians, he added, have fulfilled all their obligations in line with international agreements.

Abbas also accused Israel of working to destroy the two-state solution through its settlement policy.

“We have emphasized that we are in favor of the two-state solution and reaching a settlement through negotiations,” he said. “The negotiations should lead to recognition of a Palestinian state with full sovereignty on the 1967 borders.”

Abbas’s comments came as chief PLO negotiator Saeb Erekat was preparing to leave for Washington for talks with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on ways of reviving the stalled peace talks with Israel.

A PA official said that Erekat would reiterate the Palestinian conditions for resuming the peace talks: a cessation of settlement construction and recognition of the pre-1967 lines as the future borders of a Palestinian state.

“Erekat will demand that the US administration exert pressure on the Israeli government to stop construction in the settlements and east Jerusalem,” the official told The Jerusalem Post.

The official said that the Israeli government’s policy on settlements was “endangering the peace process and playing into the hands of the enemies of peace.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; Russia; War on Terror
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1 posted on 06/18/2012 5:53:24 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

How can a peace process be dead if there never was a peace process.

Peace requires two partners. There never were two partners.

2 posted on 06/18/2012 6:01:16 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
It's totally unfair:

How am I supposed to tell the difference between a news article and one of John Siemmens Semi-satire pieces?

Just disarm the Palis.

3 posted on 06/18/2012 6:10:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
“We have emphasized that we are in favor of the two-state solution and reaching a settlement through negotiations,” he said.

We already have a two state solution. Palestine was divided into two portions; a sliver for the jewish palestinians and the rest for the arab palestinians. Jewish palestine was renamed Israel; arab palestine was renamed "Jordan". The two-state solution has been in place since the beginning.

There are already some 21 arab countries and somehow we're supposed to believe that isn't enough, we need to shoe-horn another so-called country into a piece of land the size of a small county, with no economy and no outlet to the world.

With no economy and no outlet to the world I am safe to state that there will never be an independent arab west bank. It will never happen. Wasting time on a fraudulent solution just means more innocent Israelis and more deluded arabs die.

“The negotiations should lead to recognition of a Palestinian state with full sovereignty on the 1967 borders.”

That should mean that any part of old "Palestine" that isn't Israel, is Jordan. Jordan is arab palestine. Israel is jewish palestine. There isn't any third choice in there.

The negotiations on the final configuration should be between Israel and Jordan. No one else has any standing. If Jordan doesn't want to negotiate, then there's your problem right there.

4 posted on 06/18/2012 6:18:29 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
The negotiations on the final configuration should be between Israel and Jordan. No one else has any standing. If Jordan doesn't want to negotiate, then there's your problem right there.

You mentioned all the other arab countries in your post. The simple fact is that the only people the rest of the arabs despise more than the palis are Jews. They (the arab countries as well as the un) have used the palis as nothing more than cannon-fodder and as such, they've bred themselves a weapon that they certainly don't want within their borders. Gazan were originally Egyptians, and Egypt wants NOTHING to do with the people in Gaza (with the possible exception of the mussie brotherhood, again, using them as cannon-fodder).

And the PA used to be known as the PLO, and the country of Jordan worked hard to exterminate them after a failed coup attempt (look up "Black September," the event, not the terrorist group that took the name.) And depending on whose story you believe, upwards of 26,000 palis were killed by the Jordanian military.

For a good example of what a palis in charge of of a country looks like, compare Lebanon, especially Beirut, between the 1960s and the 1980s. The "civil war" pretty much destroyed the country, and then set it up for a Syrian takeover.


5 posted on 06/18/2012 6:34:58 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
The peace process is clinically dead and Israel bears full responsibility, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas declared Sunday.

Shit-eating islamonazi dog is aping his hero Adolf Hitler who blamed the failure of peace in Czechoslovakia on the aggression of the hateful Czechs, and the war in the West on British intentions to invade Europe and take over Holland.

The behavior of these humanoid organisms never fails to be of interest--clinically, of course.

6 posted on 06/18/2012 6:57:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: marron

Good analysis in your post#4.

7 posted on 06/18/2012 7:20:25 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; marron; MarkL; luvbach1; Venturer; Paladin2

The below link to a Youtube video is the best summary I have seen of the interminable and reprehensible process of Middle East peace. I then tested this information against the many sources I knew of and wrote the narrative which follows to verify the video for me. Much of the narrative is a restatement, but I think the references certainly help the video.

Debunking the Palestinian Lie

The British received the Mandate for Palestine after WW I and issued the Balfour Declaration promising a homeland for the Jews that did not prejudice the civil or religious liberties of non-Jews living in the area. The British encouraged Jewish immigration thereby initiating unending Arab violent opposition to the presence of Jews. After suppressing Arab attacks within the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, the British created the Emirate of Transjordan east of the Jordan River for the Arabs. A Jewish state would then need to reside within the remaining one third of the Mandate. The violent agitation continued unabated in the Middle East and in Europe, especially with the rise of Hitler. Finally in 1937 the Peel Commission proposed a Jewish state occupying about 20% of present day Israel. The Grand Mufti, who became an ally of Hitler, opposed the proposal. The Jews seeing an increasingly brutal or disinterested Europe accepted this truncated safe haven for their people. The final result was continued Arab armed revolt against the Mandate and severe limitations on Jewish immigration.

Next came the Holocaust, which murdered two of every three Jews residing in Europe. An equivalent event in the U.S. would consign 200,000,000 people to gas chambers, incinerators, and landfills. However, when Abba Eban served as a U.N. observer for Israel before the partition of Palestine, another diplomat noted that 6,000,000 dead Jews had purchased no more than two years of tolerance. The comment confirmed for Jewish leaders that the slaughter was a source of international embarrassment and not of grief.

After WW II the British relinquished the Mandate to the United Nations, which recommended a two state solution. The proposal divided the remaining territory about equally between the Arabs and Jews. The proposal was accepted by the Jews and President Truman immediately recognized the new Jewish state on May 14, 1948. Even the Soviet Union voted for the resolution.

The 20 member Arab League rejected the U.N. solution and immediately attacked the Jewish state with their Arab Liberation Army composed of regular forces from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon. Their objective can be synthesized in words, attributed to Abdul Raham Azzam their Secretary, which proclaimed, “This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre, which will be spoken of like the Mogul massacres and the Crusades”.

They reasonably expected to eradicate the Jewish people and their nescient country, because their Arab Legion had defeated a European army during WW II when they were instrumental in overcoming the Vichy French in Syria. The Arab League encouraged the Arabs living in Palestine to temporarily seek refuge in places like Gaza and the West Bank, while the Arab armies destroyed Israel. However after a year of fighting, armistice saw the Jews winning a decisive victory expanding their territory 40% beyond indefensible enclaves.

Egyptian and Jordanian troops occupied the Gaza and the West Bank respectively and 650,000 Arabs from Palestine became permanent refugees. At no time did leaders like Yasser Arafat protest occupation of these territories, nor did the occupiers and the Arab League propose forming a Palestinian state within these boundaries. The refugees instead served as political props for Arab unsuccessful wars of aggression to eliminate Israel in 1967 and 1973.

The U.N. response to these wars were the provisions and principles found in resolutions 242 and 338. Israel would return to its pre-1967 borders. The Arabs would terminate all claims and states of belligerency. The refugee problem created by the surrounding Arab states would find a just settlement.

Anwar Sadat brought an end to conventional wars, set the stage for implementation of 242 and 338, and prevented a looming catastrophe for his own country with his historic trip to Jerusalem on November 7, 1977. He formalized the peace process with the Camp David Accords the following September, and with the peace treaty of 1979.

Through three wars, elements in the Arab world had used Egyptian blood for vicarious satisfaction of their hatred of Israeli Jews. By conclusion of the 1973 war, Sadat was certain Egypt’s price for an Arab victory would not only include the copious effusion of Egyptian blood, but also destruction of the Aswan Dam leading to an unparalleled economic and human disaster. For his extraordinary statesmanship, the Arab League suspended Egyptian membership, and Sadat was assassinated by Islamic militants in 1981.

Islamic and secular Arab terrorism then became the centerpiece for a continued war against Israel. In the midst of terrorist attacks the Oslo Accords attempted to resolve the ongoing Palestinian-Israeli conflict with the first direct, face-to-face agreement between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).

Secret negotiations resulted in a public ceremony in Washington, DC on 13 September 1993, in the presence of PLO chairman Yasser Arafat, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and US President Bill Clinton. The documents themselves were signed by Mahmoud Abbas for the PLO, foreign Minister Shimon Peres for Israel, Secretary of State Warren Christopher for the United States and foreign minister Andrei Kozyrev for Russia.

This arrangement would last for a five-year interim period during which negotiations for a permanent agreement would begin no later than May 1996. The Palestinian National Authority (PNA) was formed in 1994, pursuant to the Oslo Accords, to have control over much of the area that would become the Palestinian state. Permanent issues such as positions on Jerusalem, Palestinian refugees, Israeli settlements, security and borders were deliberately left to be decided for a later stage.

In 2000 President Clinton brought the parties together at Camp David in a failed attempt to provide fresh energy to the stalled process. Most criticism for the failure of the 2000 Camp David Summit has been leveled at Yasser Arafat.

Ehud Barak agreed with Clinton to offer Arafat an eventual 91% of the West Bank, and all of the Gaza Strip, with Eastern Jerusalem as a capital of the new Palestinian state. In addition, all refugees could apply for compensation of property from an international fund to which Israel would contribute along with other countries. Arafat’s initial position demanded the immediate withdrawal of the Israelis from the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, and only subsequently would the PLO dismantle its terror organizations.

Clinton blamed Arafat for failure noting he missed the opportunity to give his people a state promising a better life and a lasting peace. Yasser Arafat walked away from the table without making a concrete counter-offer. He returned home to launch the second Intifada targeting gatherings of Jewish civilians for suicide bombings.

This three year brutal campaign ignored the Saudi-inspired 2002 peace proposal adopted by the Arab summit in Beirut. It followed closely the Camp David discussions by stating Israel must withdraw to its 1967 borders, requiring resolutions 242 and 338 be fully implemented, establishing an independent Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital, and requiring a comprehensive peace with Israel. The one result for these years of brutal chaos was Israel departure from Gaza in 2005, when Premier Ariel Sharon decided it was against the country’s security interests to govern the 1.1 million Arabs in Gaza.

In defending against these attacks, Israel was repeatedly castigated by the U.N. for killing civilians, while Articles 28 and 29 of the Fourth Geneva Convention say terrorists operating through organizations such as the PLO and Hamas are exclusively responsible for those deaths. These civilians qualify as Protected Persons within terrorist control, and civilian presence cannot be used to render certain points and areas immune from military operations. Once again the Arabs in Palestine served as biodegradable sandbags and political props.

Perpetual Arab intransigence was next exacerbated by disastrous differences within the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). The PLO is recognized as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestine people by the United Nations and over 100 countries with which it holds diplomatic relations. The PLO has been granted U.N. observer status, and diplomatic recognition despite never changing its charter to remove provisions calling for the eradication of Israel. In late 2004 when its longtime leader Yasser Arafat died, tensions between the two main parties of Fatah (secular) and Hamas (Islamic) rose until culminating is civil war following the 2006 parliamentary election won by Hamas.

Frictions became intolerable when Hamas renounced all agreements made by the PLO with Israel. The Hamas charter calls for an Islamic Palestinian state to replace Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank. Hamas offers a long term truce but not peace, and demands over one million Arabs be granted the right to uproot Jews from any land they contend was abandoned in 1948. In response the United States and the European Union directed PNA aid into the offices of Mahmoud Abbas, who is president of the PNA and aliened with Fatah. During the 2007 civil war Fatah was driven out of Gaza, but retains control of the West Bank. Presumably, Hamas and Fatah reached reconcilement in Cairo in 2011, and yet all practical evidence confirms two mini-states moving in different directions. Hamas prospers without Western aid by accepting private Arab sources of funding and Iranian aid.

Even though there was no recognized legitimate Palestinian representative to sign a peace agreement, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert tried once more in 2008. He offered Mahmoud Abbas a proposal closely following that from the Arab summit in 2002. A Palestinian state would include after land swaps nearly 100% of the West Bank and Gaza, and Jerusalem would be divided to allow the Eastern half for the new capital. Some refugees would be allowed to return to Israel, and the others would be generously compensated. Olmert formalized his proposal into a map given to Abbas. Promising to return the next day, Abbas took this map to his office in Ramallah a few miles outside Jerusalem. He did not return and that was the last time Israeli and Palestinians leaders met.

The only Palestinian initiative in 63 years was the blundered attempt in September 2011 to bypass the Oslo Accords, Camp David Summit, 2002 Arab Summit, and U.N. Resolutions 242 and 338 by having the U.N. Security Council declare Palestinian statehood. The British during their Mandate, the international community, and Israel have repeatedly offered the Arabs of Palestine their own state. In each case the offer has been refused, and subsequent violent attacks have been directed against Jewish civilians.

To settle the issue of Middle East peace an important theory has always been for Israel to leave the occupied territories as a precursor to negotiations with the peace maintained by international troops. Supposedly, such a move would result in strengthening Arab moderates and marginalizing radicals.

That approach was tried by Israel in 2000 in Lebanon and in 2005 when it left Gaza. When leaving Gaza it uprooted settlements, bulldozed synagogues and left a thriving flower export business to jump start the local economy. In response the Arabs in Gaza burned the donated green houses. In Gaza and Lebanon Hamas and Hezbollah launched thousands of rockets and missiles against Israeli civilians. Radicals devoured the moderates, land for peace failed, the international troops of UNIFIL and UBAM (ph) stood aside, and the settlements proved irrelevant.

Another point diligently ignored reminds why Israel demands true peace in exchange for accepting the 1967 borders. At minimum distance Israel is the width of San Francisco Bay. At its widest the country is the length of the bay. At its present size or at 1967 borders, Israel fits easily inside Lake Michigan and can be flown across in 1.5 to 10 minutes. In terms of population, the five countries that attacked Israel in 1948 have a combined total of 145.5 million and Israel has 7.5 million or 1/20th the human resources. If literally defined by 1967 borders, Israel would inhabit what should be an indefensible enclave. If you consider European wars, the region resembles much more Belgium than Switzerland.

These facts point to the reason Israel maintains that Resolution 242 and 338 must be understood in light of overarching precedent found in the U.N. Charter. Article 51 asserts nothing shall impair a country’s inherent right of self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations. Therefore, a just and lasting peace terminating all Arab states of belligerency and acknowledging Israeli sovereignty must proceed from secure and recognized boundaries free from threats of force. Given the Jewish experience over the last ninety years, secure and defensible boundaries against these endless threats require long-term Israeli military presence in critical areas of the West Bank.

The international community has arrayed itself against Israel. Twenty one out of twenty seven U.N. General Assembly resolutions condemn Israel – the one true democracy in the Middle East. The U.N. not only finds Israel evil, but often exalts evil as when it chose Gadhafi’s Libya to chair the Commission on Human Rights, and Saddam’s Iraq to head the Committee on Disarmament. Presently Hezbollah-controlled Lebanon presides over the U.N. Security Council.

Israel desperately hopes for and needs peace, because any military defeat brings to fruition the vision of a new Holocaust. Even as Mahmoud Abbas tried his end run at the U.N. around 63 years of diplomacy, Benjamin Netanyahu offered to meet with him again in New York. “I cannot make peace without you. President Abbas, I extend my hand – the hand of Israel – in peace. I hope that you will grasp that hand. We are both the sons of Abraham. My people call him Avraham. Your people call him Ibraham. We share the same patriarch. We dwell in the same land. Our destinies are intertwined. Let us realize the vision of Isaiah. ‘The people who walk in darkness will see a great light.’ Let that be the light of peace.”


Debunking the Palestinian Lie

Council on Foreign Relations: Hamas

Palestinian National Authority

2000 Camp David Summit

Fatah–Hamas conflict

Palestinians Don’t Want Peace with Israel— Ever

The Palestinian Blunder

The Arab Peace Initiative, 2002

Netanyahu’s U.N. Speech

Palestine liberation Organization

Charter of the United Nations

U.N. Resolution 242

U.N. Resolution 338

Prime Minister’s Speech at the Begin-Sadat Center at Bar-Ilan University

8 posted on 06/18/2012 9:01:30 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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9 posted on 06/19/2012 5:26:11 AM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: Venturer

In the 1967 borders, he says, no swaps, no nothing. Kiryat Arba, Beitar, Ariel, Gush Etzion, Efrat? Pack ‘em all up. They did it to the Cherokees, so why not the Jooos!

Gee. Why won’t Bibi just agree to this?/s

10 posted on 06/19/2012 6:20:29 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: marron
We already have a two state solution.... Jewish palestine was renamed Israel; arab palestine was renamed "Jordan".


11 posted on 06/19/2012 6:43:33 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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