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Why Russia is standing by Syria's Assad
BBC News ^ | 15 June 2012

Posted on 06/18/2012 8:24:20 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

As the United Nations warns that Syria has descended into civil war, Russia continues to back President Bashar al-Assad in the face of growing international condemnation.

Konstantin von Eggert, political commentator for Kommersant FM radio in Moscow, looks at why the Kremlin is steadfastly supporting the beleaguered Syrian government.

Foreign policy analysts usually tend to explain Moscow's inflexible stance on Syria by evoking arms sales to Damascus (Bashar al-Assad's regime is said to have placed orders for Russian hardware to the tune of $3.5bn) and the Russian naval station in the Syrian port of Tartous.

But this alone does not account for Russia's seeming indifference to the adverse effect that its international advocacy of the Assad government has on its relations with the United States, the European Union and the majority of the Arab states.

The explanation has a lot to do with Russia's domestic policies and the obsessions of the Russian political class.

By standing up for Damascus, the Kremlin is telling the world that neither the UN, nor any other body or group of countries has the right to decide who should or should not govern a sovereign state.

If one looks at the Syrian crisis from this angle, many of Moscow's previously inexplicable actions take on a new, clearer meaning.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Russia
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To: Cronos

Putin will be known in the history books as the “Savior of Russia”. The country was at brink of falling apart and Chechnya already declared independence. Now Russia is becoming wealthier due to their natural resources, their death rate has been reduced and even their birth rate is slowly increasing.


101 posted on 06/21/2012 8:21:17 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Putin will be known in the history books as the “Savior of Russia”.

Whose history books?

102 posted on 06/21/2012 8:40:45 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos

So, we need many chefs stirring the pot. While one is supporting the rebels, one must support Assad, and somebody else can make the popcorn:-E)


103 posted on 06/21/2012 8:53:03 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: SunkenCiv; Cronos; Eleutheria5

Not a matter of semantics, but a fact. Was Iran an enemy (or perceived to be one) during the 50 yrs of the Pahlavi reign?

Since 1979, Islamic Republic of Iran is an enemy because the regime RULING Iran holds an Anti-American, Anti-Western stance, and has conducted many Terrorist activities inside & outside the country.

True, Iranian People are not all one thing. It is unrealistic to expect 100% of the population of any country to be against the regime or ruling gov’t.

But, then, nor are the American People are all one thing, are they?

I’d venture to say that there are many American People (natural born citizens too), who dislike the US - for whatever reasons - take a pro-moslem (Islam), pro-communist/socialist views, and generally are against what they call “American Imperialism”.

Am afraid, the mentioned Americans weren’t educated or trained in Russia or China either, but they were in US universities..

Now, what can be done about that?

Would you suggest that conservative/republican Americans literally kill off all liberals/democrats ? Or, do you think that, realistically & practically, anti-Islam Americans could go ahead demolish mosques & burn the Koran in the US, and annhiliate Islam in the USA, including any Muftis & Mullahs (whether those with radical or moderate views) ? - note that Islam has exponentially increased its presence in the US itself over the last 3 decades.

What I am saying is that your suggestion about what Anti-Mullah Iranian people in Iran should do, at present, is even less realistic than the possibilities & options open to Anti-Socialist & Anti-Islam Americans in the US.

HOWEVER, should there be a real opportunity, I can comfortably say that the chances of many many more Iranian People turning their backs on Islam & Islamic gov’ts (e.g. & incl. current Mullahs’ Regime) in Iran is far greater than any where in the ME, and perhaps even in the US.

I agree with Cronos that:

1) many Iranian People I know, and based on many blogs in Persian & English I read, written by Iranians, as well as what I hear indirectly through others currently in Iran, Iranian people, largely, are either indifferent towards the American People or actually admire the spirit and freedoms they lack in Iran.

However, I also know more than a few Iranian People, who are very critical of the US & certain Western Gov’ts. Why? Well, do you think the “Islamic Republic of Iran” (and yes, it is Islamic Republic of Iran, not Iran), which means the Mullahs’ Regime, could have lasted as long as it has, had it not been for the leniency, complacency & I’d go further and say even support of the successive US & Western govt’s for it ??

2) the same grps of Iranian People mentioned in point 1, do not see Israel as an enemy. In fact most don’t care about Israel or the Palestinians. Some even dislike the Palestinians, because of their experience with the ones who have been raping, arresting and torturing their sons, daughters and/or relatives. Israel & Israelis have done nothing to Iranian People. That fact is recognized very clearly by many Iranian People in Iran. Just as it is recognized that the Islamic Republic Regime is & has using Israel & the US as a political tool, and for its own political purposes.

This is a conflict instigated by and exists between Governments in both countries. American & Iranian people are pawns & meats in the sandwich. As always, on both sides, some hold pro views, others hold anti views..


104 posted on 06/21/2012 11:32:46 PM PDT by odds
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To: ETL
Russia is propping up communist regimes TODAY, 2012?

In the same way we are "propping" up the communist China regime? Or building relationships with the Vietnamese?

it's politically expedient.

The Russians desperately want to say "We're big boys, respect us. RESPECT US." -- it's whining. Their navy is a joke and hardly a threat to any European country bar the Baltics, leave alone the US.

They've stood behind and aided open enemies of the US, such as Saddam Hussein/Iraq, Hugo Chavez/Venezuela, Kim Jung-Il/North Korea, the Castro bros/Cuba, Ahmadinejad/Iran, -- Saddam Hussein was business -- they got money selling him weapons when we didn't allow that, Cuba, Venezuala -- this is posturing, and again, money.

they don't support the North Koreans -- our "Most Favored Trading Nation" China does that

Iran is little more than posturing -- he doesn't want a powerful Iran to his south.

105 posted on 06/21/2012 11:53:12 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: ETL
North Korea -- that's our "Most Favored Business nation" China. Why do we retain ties with China after the collapse of the Soviet Union? We made them our rivals

Iraq,Chavez,Cuba -- think arm sales to keep their flagging industry alive.

106 posted on 06/21/2012 11:54:35 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: ETL
Don’t you think one crosses the line between enemy and rival when they equip sworn enemies of ours with arms and other assistance to defeat us.

ha -- Chavez and his tin-pot army could be crushed by the US military in days. Forget that, Colombia would do the work for us.

North Korea is protected by China

Iran is more a threat to Russia than to the US or W. Europe

107 posted on 06/21/2012 11:56:04 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: MinorityRepublican; ETL
MR -- well, the "Savior" and also the "one who snuffed the chance at democracy".

Putin did a good job between 1999 and 2002/2003. If he had left then, his reputation as "Savior" would have been permanent

But since 2004 he has been detrimental to Russia's growth, arresting businessmen, focussing on Central Europe rather than the threats he faces to the south and east

108 posted on 06/21/2012 11:58:03 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Eleutheria5
So, we need many chefs stirring the pot. While one is supporting the rebels, one must support Assad, and somebody else can make the popcorn:-E)

Agreed. What should be done is to

The security of Israel is tied in to Assad winning, but NOT winning enough, so that he always has to focus on rebels at home and not have any time to focus on the near or far abroad.

109 posted on 06/22/2012 12:01:38 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

Exactly. We need a broken Syrian/Hizbollah/Iran triangle, one that is at war with itself and no side capable of winning decisively. Welcome to Middle Eastern geopolitics.


110 posted on 06/22/2012 12:13:02 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5; Cronos; cradle of freedom

RE posts 109 & 110, I know it has not been a PC term to use, for a while, given the previous “era”, pre-Obi, but Key Solution to get things rolling, in the right direction, in the ME is:

“REGIME CHANGE IN IRAN”, to be replaced by a Secular Regime.

Anything else will only complicate matters further, as it has done already.

We will Not see a good future for Israel, US, EU, Russia or any other country in the ME, N. Africa, and generally the Moslem world, which if we continue to move in the same present direction, the Islamic Empire will expand, gradually but most certainly.

It all started with Iran in 1979, with Khomeini, Jimmy Carter, and it can start to stop there too. Somehow, I don’t think those who need to have that vision want it to stop it, so they will continue... but at a very heavy cost ... for all those concerned...

P.S. - A quick note on current Russia, previously USSR:

IMO, the reason Russia has been reverting to a dictatorship is because when USSR was dismantled, it was brought down by economic means, not cultural one or assisting with that cultural rebuilding...

Structurally & economically, you can bring down a Regime after more than 70 yrs (in Russia/USSR case), but then you can’t withdraw, declare success & then leave it to the Almighty, so to speak... it requires work much work thereafter to ensure the Structural, governmental change is SUSTAINABLE, in the desired direction, in the future...

That’s where I believe the American Gov’t Foreign Policy fails, every time, to deliver long term solutions... deliberately or otherwise (some call it “the New World Order”)... Anyhow, restructuring a country is not a matter of SHORT-TERM Financial reporting of Q1, Q2,Q3, etc...

Cradle of Freedom: Fyi, ping to article, post 104, etc.. - thought you might be interested.


111 posted on 06/22/2012 2:26:04 AM PDT by odds
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To: Eleutheria5
hmmm.... I was thinking more of aligning the SyrianShia/Alawi + Hizb'allah + Iran + Iraq triangle against the Egypt + Saudia + Gulf Sunnis

Syria, Iraq and Bahrain will be battlegrounds as will be to a lesser extent Yemen (Ismailis)

112 posted on 06/22/2012 2:45:56 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
they [the Russians] don't support the North Koreans

I've caught you in, what, 5 or 6 lies/untruths now? If this were my site, your butt would be long gone.

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The two sides [Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Russia] agreed to "promote and enhance friendly relations" in line with the joint declaration of July 19, 2000 and the Russia-DPRK friendship and good neighborly cooperation treaty of February 9, 2000.

Putin and Kim agreed during their talks to promote a Russian- DPRK political dialogue on the Korean issue and international affairs, and discussed many topical international problems, deputy head of the Russian presidential administration Sergei Prikhodko told reporters following the talks.

The two leaders spoke for an independent and peaceful solution to the issue of reunification of the Korean Peninsula, and against "any outside obstacles to this process" as "unacceptable."

http://www.china.org.cn/english/2001/Aug/17008.htm
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"In August 1945, the Soviet Army established a Soviet Civil Authority to rule the northern portion of the Korean Peninsula until a domestic regime, friendly to the USSR, could be established. This became governed by the Provisional People's Committee for North Korea through 1948. After the Soviet forces' departure in 1948, the main agenda in the following years was unification of Korea until the consolidation of the Syngman Rhee regime in the South with American military support and the suppression of the October 1948 insurrection ended hopes that the country could be reunified by way of Communist revolution in the South. In 1949, a military intervention into South Korea was considered by Kim Il-sung, but failed to receive support from the Soviet Union, which had played a key role in the establishment of the country.[30]

The withdrawal of most of the United States forces from the South in June dramatically weakened the Southern regime and encouraged Kim Il-sung to rethink an invasion plan against the South.[30] The idea itself was first rejected by Joseph Stalin but with the development of Soviet nuclear weapons, Mao Zedong's victory in China and the Chinese indication that it would send troops and other support to North Korea, Stalin approved an invasion which led to the Korean War.[31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_north#Division_of_Korea

113 posted on 06/22/2012 5:04:41 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos; MinorityRepublican
well, the "Savior" and also the "one who snuffed the chance at democracy". Putin did a good job between 1999 and 2002/2003. If he had left then, his reputation as "Savior" would have been permanent

Yes, and Mussolini made the trains run on time.

114 posted on 06/22/2012 5:07:56 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos
Iran is more a threat to Russia than to the US or W. Europe

Are you nuts? They probably installed Ahmadinejad to be their puppet.

From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
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From CBS-News, July 29, 2006:

Chavez Vows To 'Stand By Iran'
After Oil Talks In Tehran, Venezuelan Leader Called 'Brother' By Ahmedinejad

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"Chavez pledged that his country would 'stay by Iran at any time and under any condition,' state television reported. Ahmadinejad said he saw in Chavez a kindred spirit." "'We do not have any limitation in cooperation,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. 'Iran and Venezuela are next to each other and supporters of each other. Chavez is a source of a progressive and revolutionary current in South America and his stance in restricting imperialism is tangible.'":
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/29/world/main1847331.shtml
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http://article.wn.com/view/2009/06/16/Iran_president_visits_Russia_despite_protests/

115 posted on 06/22/2012 5:13:42 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos
ha -- Chavez and his tin-pot army could be crushed by the US military in days. Forget that

"ha", your azz! Chavez would have the full support of Russia, Iran, and other tyrannical anti-American, enemy regimes. And do you really think an America, under "Comrade Obama", would ever attempt to "crush" Chavez's Marxist regime??

116 posted on 06/22/2012 5:20:02 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos
ha -- Chavez and his tin-pot army could be crushed by the US military in days. Forget that

There you go, sounding like Obama again...

May 18, 2008: Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us. ...they spend 1/100th of what we spend on the military. I mean, if Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us, they wouldn't stand a chance.


May 20, 2008 (2 days later!): Iran is a grave threat. It has an illicit nuclear program. It supports terrorism across the regions and militias in Iraq. It threatens Israel's existence. It denies the Holocaust.

Source for these genuine Obama quotes: NewsBusters.org:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2008/05/23/fnc-shows-obamas-iran-flip-flop-colmes-might-talk-hitler

117 posted on 06/22/2012 5:22:53 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
Chavez would have the full support of Russia, Iran, and other tyrannical anti-American, enemy regimes

I don't dispute that Russia has a tyrannical regime. It's not the enemy though. the Iranian regime is, yes

Now you're saying Chavez "would have" and earlier you said that he already had. Be clear

Finally, even if Russia, Iran and China objected, poo-di-dooh, they could do nothing to stop a US force from crushing Chavez

118 posted on 06/22/2012 5:23:26 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: ETL
They probably installed Ahmadinejad to be their puppet.

Wow, talk of delusional. No, Ahmanutjob is not a Russian puppet -- the Ruskies are not that powerful in Iran

119 posted on 06/22/2012 5:24:41 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
Venezuela Set to Develop Nuclear Power With Russia
September 29, 2008
CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez said Sunday that Russia will help Venezuela develop nuclear energy — a move likely to raise U.S. concerns over increasingly close cooperation between Caracas and Moscow.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429441,00.html
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Venezuela's Chavez welcomes Russian warships
Nov 25, 2008
LA GUAIRA, Venezuela – Russian warships arrived off Venezuela's coast Tuesday in a show of strength aimed at the United States as Moscow seeks to expand its influence in Latin America. The deployment is the first of its kind in the Caribbean since the Cold War and was timed to coincide with President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Caracas — the first ever by a Russian president.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Venezuela%27s+Chavez+welcomes+Russian+warships%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2

More Yahoo search results for Russia and Venezuela connections:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu_X30pZJCJEAfCtXNyoA?p=Russia+Venezuela+bombers+tanks+arms&y=Search&fr=404_news
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From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764

120 posted on 06/22/2012 5:49:25 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos
Russian nuclear bombers in Cuba?
July 23, 2008

The media has been abuzz today at the prospect of Russian nuclear bombers being stationed in Cuba if the US goes ahead with plans for missile defense bases in Eastern Europe.

The story has riled the US enough that a US general has been wheeled out to tell the world’s press that any Russian attempt to build another nuclear base in Cuba would cross US “red line”.

The story broke earlier this week, when Russian newspaper Izvestia quoted an un-named source from within the Russian military. He told the Russian daily:

“While they are deploying the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, our strategic bombers will already be landing in Cuba.”

The quote hasn’t been independently confirmed, but the Russian Defense Ministry added fuel to the fire when they refused to comment on the story.

The prospect of Russian nuclear forces being stationed in Cuba - which is, after all, only 90 miles from the US coast - would bring back some rather unpleasant memories for the US of the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, where the Soviet Union under Nikita Kruschev launched an audacious and foolhardy bid to station nuclear missiles on the Caribbean island.

http://www.siberianlight.net/2008/07/23/russian-nuclear-bombers-cuba/
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Russia to help Cuba modernize weaponry, train military

September 18, 2009

HAVANA, September 18 (RIA Novosti) - Modernization of the Soviet-made military equipment and training of Cuban military personnel will be the focus of Russian-Cuban military cooperation in the near future, the chief of the Russian General Staff said on Friday. Gen. Nikolai Makarov arrived on a working visit to Cuba on Monday, met with Cuban President Raul Castro and the country's military leadership, and visited a number of military installations.

"During the Soviet era we delivered a large number of military equipment to Cuba, and after all these years most of this weaponry has become obsolete and needs repairs," Makarov said.

"We inspected the condition of this equipment, and outlined the measures to be taken to maintain the defense capability of this country...I think a lot of work needs to be done in this respect, and I hope we will be able to accomplish this task," the general said.

Makarov said the Cuban request for assistance with training of military personnel will also be fully satisfied.

Although the Cuban leadership has repeatedly said it has no intention of resuming military cooperation with Russia after the surprise closure of the Russian electronic listening post in Lourdes in 2001, bilateral military ties seem to have been improving following the visit of Russian Security Council chief Nikolai Patrushev and Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin to Cuba in July last year.

A group of Russian warships, led by the Admiral Chabanenko destroyer visited Cuba in December last year during a Caribbean tour.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090918/156170428.html

121 posted on 06/22/2012 5:50:14 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos; ETL; cradle of freedom; Eleutheria5
No, Ahmanutjob is not a Russian puppet -- the Ruskies are not that powerful in Iran

You see that's partly why I have *almost* given up posting on FR threads, particularly, regarding AN (aka Ahmadi-Nejad).

For the Record:

"AN" in Persian language means "turd", as many Iranians in Iran, and outside call Ahmadi-Nejad.

"AN", also stands for an abbreviation or acronym of Ahmadi-Nejad. His lastname has 2 words/syllable: Nejad, means clan or belonging to (race) of Ahmadi. Ahmadi short for Mohamed or race of Mohamed's clan, the Arabian Prophet.

What most Americans don't realize is that, post Jimmy Carter's support of bringing Khomeini onboard in Iran & helping to establish the Islamic Republic Republic of Iran in Iran, Ahamdi-Nejad was NOT the one who advocated the occupation of the US Embassy, taking US hostages... that is a fallacy.

AHMADI-NEJAD, IN FACT, wanted to kick out the Soviets & their influence in politics & otherwise out of Iran. He preferred the Americans, since he thought the Americans had much more, religiously (messianic), in common with his own beliefs - compared to the USSR, at the time.

He was & still is a strong believer in the Mahdi, the 12th imam.. he is, Personally, a true believer in that Mahdi Myth.. - Communism/Socialism of the Soviets did not work well with his religious zeal, WHICH he still possesses.

IOW, Ahamdi-Nejad (AN, the "turd") was Anti-Communist/Socialist - he wanted his Mahdi imam to act as a counter to Soviet (Communist) influence in Iran. It is a wonder some, know-it-all, theoretical, others in the West still don't know or get it..

122 posted on 06/22/2012 6:44:25 AM PDT by odds
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To: odds
he [Ahmadinejad] is, Personally, a true believer in that Mahdi Myth.. - Communism/Socialism of the Soviets did not work well with his religious zeal, WHICH he still possesses.

Then the translator for the following must have completely screwed up what he [Ahmadinejad] was saying about Hugo Chavez and his "Progressive", "anti-Imperialist", "revolutionary current" in South America. /s (only the far left uses such terminology)

From CBS-News, July 29, 2006:

Chavez Vows To 'Stand By Iran'
After Oil Talks In Tehran, Venezuelan Leader Called 'Brother' By Ahmedinejad

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"Chavez pledged that his country would 'stay by Iran at any time and under any condition,' state television reported. Ahmadinejad said he saw in Chavez a kindred spirit." "'We do not have any limitation in cooperation,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. 'Iran and Venezuela are next to each other and supporters of each other. Chavez is a source of a progressive and revolutionary current in South America and his stance in restricting imperialism is tangible.'":
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/29/world/main1847331.shtml

123 posted on 06/22/2012 6:58:02 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos
Now you're saying Chavez "would have" and earlier you said that he already had. Be clear

"would" in the sense that SHOULD your fantasy US attack on Chavez [a fantasy under Comrade Obama] ever take place, he [Chavez] WOULD have the support of the Russians. Then again, the Russians may view Obama as the more significant ally of the two. In any event, ain't gonna happen.

124 posted on 06/22/2012 7:05:20 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Yes, the “translator” must have done, PRECISELY, what he/she/it must do, politically, just as Ahamdi-Nejad has done, politically.

Politics is a separate matter to Personal belief.

Good to be discerning. Many FR posts/threads, have indicated, OBVIOUSLY that Ahmadi-Nejad has a strong messianic (religious) belief. Where do we find that “actual” equivalent of Mahdi in Hugo Chavez, or any Socialist or Communist ideology?

If you do find that equivalent, messianic belief, in Socialism or Communism of, for example, Hugo Chavez, per AN’s belief, then I suspect, a conservative/republican, is no different, ultimately, to the liberal/democrats in the US - only difference can be indicated in the political stance, words and jibes.


125 posted on 06/22/2012 7:17:36 AM PDT by odds
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To: ETL

Don’t necessarily support Putin, but:

1. Russia is remaining faithful to her allies (such as they are) and hostile to her foes.

2. Russia doesn’t seem to have any problems naming the enemy and killing them in large, cost-effective quantities.

Both are admirable traits, even a rival. I would like to see us show the same gumption.


126 posted on 06/22/2012 7:21:35 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray
[ I ] Don’t necessarily support Putin

But the possibility is there, huh? Absolutely incredible how blind people can be even when the evidence is staring them in the face (giving you the benefit of the doubt here).

127 posted on 06/22/2012 7:36:42 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Little Ray
Both are admirable traits, even a rival. I would like to see us show the same gumption.

"rivals" are friggin Coke and Pepsi! Russia and the US (at least pre-Obama] don't have the same objectives.

128 posted on 06/22/2012 7:39:21 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Neither do Coke and Pepsi. Each wants the other’s market share.

National rivals are nations that have conflicting goals. The US and Sov, er, Russians have conflicting goals. We’re rivals. We’re not enemies just now, because we’re not in a shooting war, neither side is trying destroy the other, and neither side planning on starting a shooting a war with the other. I guess I have a fairly high threshold for “enemy.”

In any case, supporting Assad is (IMHO) in America’s best interests. Its a pity that only the Russians have the balls to openly support him.


129 posted on 06/22/2012 7:53:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: odds
If you do find that equivalent, messianic belief, in Socialism or Communism of, for example, Hugo Chavez, per AN’s belief, then I suspect, a conservative/republican, is no different, ultimately, to the liberal/democrats in the US

Who knows, he could be a communist in religious-poser clothing like Obama and Louis Farrakhan. Obama being a "Black Liberation Theology" communist, Farrakhan actually a worshiper of Fidel Castro and Mao Tse-Tung.

The so-called "Nation of Islam" is a "Black Liberation" communist front movement like Wright's phony church. Farrakhan doesn't sincerely believe in "Allah". His role models are people (monsters) like Castro and Mao.

Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998:
"There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"

Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says
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"Minister Farrakhan and his delegation met privately with President Fidel Castro of Cuba."
http://www.finalcall.com/media/cuba/
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Unity generates power to change reality
By the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan

"The time has never been more ripe for a strategic relationship between the Black, Brown, Native American and the poor of this nation and the world."

"We need a Ministry of Defense. Our young men are born soldiers, but they are in the wrong war. They are fighting a war in the streets of America against each other, or they are fighting an unjust war overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need to bring our boys home and put them into the Ministry of Defense, so we can defend our communities, rather than destroy our communities.

We need a Ministry of Art and Culture. We applaud the hip hop community, the leaders of young people all over the world, but I want the young generation of artists to know there is a bigger purpose for art and culture than popping our fingers and shaking our backsides.

Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform. Many of them were victims of opium, drugs and prostitution, like we are. But Mao Tse Tung went to the cultural community and they accepted his idea. Then, through song, dance, poetry, drama, documentaries, movies and books, the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people. China became a world power on the base of culture and the artistic community. If we had a Ministry of Art and Culture in every city, [we'd] create this movement [in the U.S.], we could say to our young people, “What is the idea of the Time and are you reflecting that idea in your songs, dance and music?

We need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce. Do you think that a Millions More Movement should not be involved in the development of Africa, the Caribbean and Central America? ... we need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce that can link the struggle here with Africa and the Caribbean, Central and South America.

Source: FinalCall.com
This is Farrakhan's own "Nation Of Islam" website
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4328.shtml
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"If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/

"Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."
Source: FinalCall.com
(this is Farrakhan's own "Nation Of Islam" website)
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4328.shtml

130 posted on 06/22/2012 7:58:48 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

AN is a thug, and a religious nut, that I know for sure.

But, I also know he couldn’t have survived as long as he has in the political arena, (I mean almost 33 yrs) - in Mullahs’ Regime politics - without being Politically Savvy and “in-the-know”. That’s how Politics, regardless of Personal belief, works.. around the world.


131 posted on 06/22/2012 8:10:00 AM PDT by odds
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To: odds
Yes, the “translator” must have done, PRECISELY, what he/she/it must do, politically

So, despite the fact that even most liberals despise Ahmadinejad, the (likely) liberal translator (or reporter), would have twisted his words to make him out to be a Progressive. Is that what you are saying?

132 posted on 06/22/2012 8:42:58 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: odds
Yes, the “translator” must have done, PRECISELY, what he/she/it must do, politically

Alternatively, the translator, being pro-Iran, pro-Ahmadinejad, quite possibly part of his crew, would have twisted his words to make him out to be a supporter of "Progressive" causes and a "brother" to communist Hugo Chavez? That guy/gal must have a real death wish, eh?

133 posted on 06/22/2012 8:53:40 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Think Columbia University USA, as example, then think about your USA liberals.. unless conservatives prove to be different in action regarding AN, no difference between Libs & Cons.


134 posted on 06/22/2012 9:31:53 AM PDT by odds
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To: ETL

When you can make a distinct differentiation between hugo chavez, (Castro was always a goner), Obama, GWB, Clinton and AN, let me know, including the ‘translators’, guy or gal, as the case it might’ve been on occasions - I want DETAILS for each.. eh.. ;-)


135 posted on 06/22/2012 9:41:53 AM PDT by odds
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To: MinorityRepublican

Because pricks hang together?


136 posted on 06/23/2012 1:03:24 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Cronos
We should let Assad keep killing his Sunni al-Aeda enemys. Let the moslems kill each other -- you have a problem with that

Yes I have a problem with animals who slaughter innocent children and and I have a big problem with those immoral, cold-hearted and un-Christian enough to justify such acts. The fact that you would dare to do so explains why you also support Putin's murder of innocent Orthodox Christians in Georgia. You really don't seem to care whether the innocent children your heroes murder are muslim or Christian. You will justify their slaughter either way.

137 posted on 06/24/2012 12:40:46 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: justa-hairyape
Maybe Putin does not feel the world would be a safer place if the radical Islamists continue to take control of nations such as Libya, Egypt and Yemen...etc. Maybe he sees what some call the "Arab Spring" as an "Islamist Spring" and he wants to stop it.

Just a theory.

I'm not happy about what just happened in Egypt. But our pResident is. The man has done nothing positive for this country. And it cannot be incompetence. Even a clock can be right twice a day.

138 posted on 06/24/2012 8:53:30 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
why you also support Putin's murder of innocent Orthodox Christians in Georgia.

I don't support Putin in that -- stop lying

139 posted on 06/25/2012 6:50:25 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: tsowellfan
Maybe Putin does not feel the world would be a safer place if the radical Islamists continue to take control of nations such as Libya, Egypt and Yemen...etc. Maybe he sees what some call the "Arab Spring" as an "Islamist Spring" and he wants to stop it.

true. Pootie cares for his own dictatorship of Russia and radical Islam is an enemy.

On this matter, I support him.

140 posted on 06/26/2012 1:47:19 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Little Ray; ETL
The US and Sov, er, Russians have conflicting goals. We’re rivals. We’re not enemies just now, because we’re not in a shooting war, neither side is trying destroy the other, and neither side planning on starting a shooting a war with the other. I guess I have a fairly high threshold for “enemy.”

well said. On one matter -- the containing of islam, we should make common cause

on another matter -- the containing of China -- Putin is a fool if the doesn't see that it makes more sense for China to grab Siberia than to grab anything else (besides Taiwan which is for ego's sake)

141 posted on 06/26/2012 1:56:26 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Little Ray; ETL; Eleutheria5
In any case, supporting Assad is (IMHO) in America’s best interests. Its a pity that only the Russians have the balls to openly support him.

I don't support us openly supporting Assad -- it will open us to too much criticism.

it's better to sit by and NOT help the jihadis. Assad can crush them, but not completely as the Sauds are supporting them

the best outcome for America -- as I said is Assad winning, but NOT winning enough, so that he always has to focus on rebels at home and not have any time to focus on the near or far abroad -- just like we should have done with Qaddafi.

It's so annoying that the Arab league are asking for the West to intervene militarily when you KNOW that the moment there is one stray bullet, they will scream "infidels attacking Moslems. We never asked for this"....

142 posted on 06/26/2012 2:01:34 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

I’m pretty sure that Putin knows for certain that he can’t stop the PRC, short of nuking hell out them, if they decide to lurch that way. He’s probably has people working on a deal. I would.

As for Islam, I’m not sure what we can do. As long as it has the rights of privileges of a religion, we can’t contain it. Personally, I’d like to see Moslems regard the same we regarded Soviets during the Cold War, but most folks think I’m kinda unreasonable...


143 posted on 06/26/2012 5:45:15 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray
I’m pretty sure that Putin knows for certain that he can’t stop the PRC, short of nuking hell out them

If "PRC" = Peoples Republic of China, you either have no idea what you're talking about or you're deliberately trying to misinform people like cronos and a few others. Russia and China are two birds of a 'new world order' feather. They've been conducting joint war games in preparation for war...against US! (as if you didn't know this already)

144 posted on 06/26/2012 7:11:56 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos
From Heritage.org, November 27, 2006:

The death of former Russian spy, Alexander Litvinenko, last week from radioactive Polonium-210 poisoning is the latest in a series of politically motivated attacks on the outspoken opponents of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed112706a.cfm
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"Appearing alongside high-profile opponents of President Putin, he [Alexander Litvinenko] has continued to make allegations about his former bosses. Perhaps most notably, he alleged that al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri was trained by the FSB in Dagestan in the years before 9/11".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6163502.stm
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Blowing up Russia: The Secret Plot to Bring Back KGB Terror
by Alexander Litvinenko, Yuri Felshtinsky, Geoffrey Andrews and Co (Translator)

Synopsis: Blowing Up Russia contains the allegations of ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko against his former spymasters in Moscow which led to his being murdered in London in November 2006. In the book he and historian Yuri Felshtinsky detail how since 1999 the Russian secret service has been hatching a plot to return to the terror that was the hallmark of the KGB. Vividly written and based on Litvinenko's 20 years of insider knowledge of Russian spy campaigns, Blowing Up Russia describes how the successor of the KGB fabricated terrorist attacks and launched a war. Writing about Litvinenko, the surviving co-author recounts how the banning of the book in Russia led to three earlier deaths.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Blowing-up-Russia/Alexander-Litvinenko/e/9781594032011

145 posted on 06/26/2012 7:24:16 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos
From AP via FoxNews.com...

Last Living Beslan School Attacker Sentenced to Life in Prison
May 28, 2006

VLADIKAVKAZ, Russia — AP
A southern Russian court on Friday sentenced the sole surviving Beslan school attacker to life in prison, capping a yearlong trial that survivors and victims' relatives say has left the most essential questions about the tragedy unanswered.

They demand to know just who bore the most responsibility: Nur-Pashi Kulayev and his 31 fellow militants, or the officials whose negligence or even alleged complicity allowed them to seize hundreds of children and parents on the first day of school in September 2004.

Countrywatch: Russia

"I did not go to court to become convinced of Kulayev's guilt, but to reconstruct all the circumstances of the terrorist attack and find the truth," said Aneta Gadiyeva, whose daughter was killed. "But I did not learn anything new and did not get any answers." ..."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197093,00.html

146 posted on 06/26/2012 7:25:18 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos
FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, May 30, 2008
Dear President Medvedev
By TATYANA MOROZOV and ALYONA MOROZOV

"In three coordinated bombings of apartment buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk in September 1999, 292 people were murdered, including our mother Lyubov Morozova. We are writing this open letter to call on you, Dmitry Anatolyevich, to order an independent, open and full investigation of these attacks."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121209647875130625.html
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Russian Terror Victims Ask for Truth

In 1999, a series of apartment bombings shook Russia and propelled the country headlong into the Second Chechen War. Nearly nine years after the attacks, which claimed 292 lives, many Russians remain unconvinced by the official version of events, which holds that Chechen separatists were responsible.

Two sisters, who lost their mother in the attack, have written an open letter to President Dmitri Medvedev, urging him to mount a fully open, independent investigation. The sisters, Tatyana and Alyona Morozov, currently reside in Missouri. Their appeal (below) was published in the Wall Street Journal newspaper on May 30th.

Dear President Medvedev

In three coordinated bombings of apartment buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk in September 1999, 292 people were murdered, including our mother Lyubov Morozova. We are writing this open letter to call on you, Dmitry Anatolyevich, to order an independent, open and full investigation of these attacks.

Although these crimes were blamed on Chechen terrorists and used to justify the resumption of a full-scale war against Chechnya later that month, there are numerous indications that Russian security services may have been involved. There is also clear evidence of a cover-up by the authorities. We do not consider this case solved.

Let us remind you of some of the facts:

* On September 23, 1999, police arrested three Federal Security Service (FSB) agents who had planted a detonator and RDX – the same explosive used in the earlier bombings – in the basement of a residential building in the city of Ryazan. The FSB explained the agent’s activities as a “training exercise,” claiming the sacks of explosives actually contained only sugar. The investigation was dropped and all evidence classified “top secret.”

* At about the same time, a Russian soldier discovered RDX in sacks labeled as “sugar” at his army base near Ryazan. The incident was never investigated and the evidence classified.

* On September 13, 1999, the Speaker of the Duma, Gennady Seleznev, announced that an apartment house in Volgodonsk had been blown up – three days before the attack actually occurred.

* Mark Blumenfeld, the property manager of our house on Guryanova Street in Moscow that was blown up, told our lawyer and several journalists that FSB agents had “talked him into” changing his testimony. The agents showed him a photo of Achemez Gochiyayev, a Chechen he had never seen before, and under pressure he “identified” him as the man who had rented storage space in the basement.

* The composite sketch based on Mr. Blumenfeld’s initial description of what the real suspect looked like disappeared from the police file and was replaced with the photograph of Mr. Gochiyaev. Meanwhile, our attorney Mikhail Trepashkin, himself a former KGB agent, told reporters that he had recognized FSB agent Vladimir Romanovich from the police sketch. Romanovich was subsequently killed in Cyprus in a hit and run incident that was never solved.

* In November 2003, on the eve of the trial of two Chechens later convicted for transporting the explosives used in the Moscow bombings, Mr. Trepashkin was arrested after a gun had been planted in his car. This prevented him from submitting Mr. Blumenfeld’s statement to court that the FSB agents had pressured him to give false evidence. The trial of the two Chechens was not convincing to us or the world as it was held behind closed doors and human rights groups noted numerous violations of due process. Mr. Blumenfeld’s statement and the replacement of the police sketch with the photo of Mr. Gochiyayev was never reviewed by a Russian court.

* Four people investigating the FSB’s possible involvement in the bombings were assassinated. Duma Deputy Sergei Yushenkov was shot dead in Moscow in April 2003 and his colleague Yuri Schekochihin died of apparent poisoning three months later. Journalist Anna Politkovskaya was gunned down in October 2006 in her Moscow apartment block and a month later, former KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko died of poisoning in London.

Many Russians have come to the conclusion that the bombings may have been the work of Russian security services. As for our family, our initial trust in the official version of a “Chechen trail” is long gone. We have come to believe that our mother and neighbors were sacrificed for a political end: To justify the war in Chechnya and help Vladimir Putin become president the following year. Only an objective investigation could make us change this view.

Mr. President, we are writing this open letter because we would like to believe that your ascent to the presidency will end this dark period in Russian history. You were not involved.

We realize that you owe the previous regime a debt of loyalty and gratitude. But the powers of the state were entrusted to you not to protect possible murderers. You are now in control of Russia and your position imposes a higher responsibility. Before history, the people and the memory of innocent victims, you have an obligation to find and tell the truth about these crimes.

Related articles:

* A Record Harvest of Spies

* An Open Letter to the Federal Security Service (FSB) of Russia

* Opposition Activist Revealed as FSB Agent

* Beslan Rights Group Charged With Extremism

* Russian Immigration Agency Knew Nothing About Morar’s Deportation

* Investigative Journalist Barred From Returning to Moscow

* Kasparov on His FSB Interrogation

Source: Russian Terror Victims Ask for Truth:
http://www.theotherrussia.org/2008/05/31/russian-terror-victims-ask-for-truth/
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The Federal Security Service (FSB - Federal'naya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti, previously known as Federal Counterintelligence Service - FSK) is the most powerful of the successors to the KGB.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/russia/fsb.htm

147 posted on 06/26/2012 7:26:44 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Cronos
Russia and Islam are not Separate:
Why Russia backs Al-Qaeda

By Konstantin Preobrazhensky

Americans generally believe that Russia is afraid of Islamic terrorism as much as the U.S.A. They are reminded of the war in Chechnya, the hostage crisis at the Beslan School in 2004 and at the Moscow Theater in 2002, and of the apartment house blasts in Moscow in 1999, where over 200 people were killed. It is clear that Russians are also targets of terrorism today.

But in all these events, the participation of the FSB, Federal Security Service, inheritor to the KGB, is also clear. Their involvement in the Moscow blasts has been proven by lawyer Mikhail Trepashkin, a former FSB Colonel. For this he was illegally imprisoned, and is now suffering torture and deprivation of medical assistance, from which he is not likely to survive.

A key distinction between Russian and American attitudes towards Islamic terrorism is that while for America terrorism is largely seen as an exterior menace, Russia uses terrorism as an object as a tool of the state for manipulation in and outside the home country. Islamic terrorism is only part of the world of terrorism. Long before Islamic terrorism became a global threat, the KGB had used terrorism to facilitate the victory of world Communism.

This leads to the logical connection between Russian and Islamic terrorism. The late Alexander Litvinenko, poisoned in London in November, 2006, told me that his former FSB colleagues had trained famous Al-Qaeda terrorists Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Juma Namangoniy during the 1980s and 1990s. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, one of the world's most wanted terrorists, has been responsible for the murder of U.S. nationals outside the United States. Before his death, Juma Namangoniy (Jumabai Hojiyev), a native of Soviet Uzbekistan, was a right-hand man of Osama bin Laden in charge of the Taliban's northern front in Afghanistan.

In 1996, Alexander Litvinenko was responsible for securing the secrecy of Al-Zawahiri's arrival in Russia, who was trained by FSB instructors in Dagestan, Northern Caucasus, in 1996-1997.

At that time, Litvinenko was the Head of the Subdivision for Internationally Wanted Terrorists of the First Department of the Operative-Inquiry Directorate of the FSB Anti-Terrorist Department. He was ordered to undertake the delicate mission of securing Al-Zawahiri from unintentional disclosure by the Russian police. Though Al-Zawahiri had been brought to Russia by the FSB using a false passport, it was still possible for the police to learn about his arrival and report to Moscow for verification. Such a process could disclose Al-Zawahiri as an FSB collaborator.

In order to prevent this, Litvinenko visited a group of the highly placed police officers to notify them in advance. "If you get information about some suspicious Arabs arriving in the Caucasus, please report it to me before informing your leadership", he told them.

Juma Namangoniy was once a student of the Saboteur Training Center of the First Chief Directorate of the KGB in 1989-91. The school was notorious for the international terrorists who matriculated from it. It now belongs to the FSB, and since only KGB staff officers were allowed to study there, Juma Namangoniy's presence clearly suggests that he was much more than a civil collaborator.

Mohammed Atta, the pilot of the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague, Czech Republic, five months before the attack. But Iraqi intelligence was just a client of Russia's intelligence service. It brings a new understanding to the fact that President Putin was the first foreign President to call President Bush on 9/11. One may conjecture that he knew in advance what was to happen.

Muslim Name and Communist Heart

Tartars have always been patriotic to Russia. Their independent kingdom was conquered by Russia in the 16th century, but their gentry were allowed to join the Russian upper class and enjoy all its privileges. Even today, many Russian families of noble origin have Tartar origins. Russia has a half-millennium of experience in turning conquered Muslim nations into obedient citizens by bribing their elite.

There are many Soviet Muslims, therefore, who seem to face no conflict of spirit. One can be a Muslim in name only, whose heart belongs to Communism. There have been a lot of such people among Russian Muslims, especially among the Tartars. The Soviet Union has typically preferred to appoint them as ambassadors to Muslim countries. Their Muslim names give them a pass to the local society, but their Communist hearts order them to serve world Communism and not the world of Islam.

In the Soviet period, the highest leadership of the Muslim republics like Uzbekistan were unofficially allowed to practice Islam under the guise of folk rites, even though their Russian colleagues were severely reprimanded for participating in such Christian "rites" as Christmas or Easter. Unlike today, Soviet cartoonists were able to mock Islam as they mocked all other religions and it didn't bring any special reaction.

Muslims of the Uzbek and other Central Asian republics' elite joined the KGB intelligence in order to spy on fellow Muslim countries. In the KGB, I have met a lot of such quasi-Muslim officers.

Russia Grows Muslim

Putin continues the traditional Russian policy of giving privileges to the Muslim elite. Today's Russian Minister of Healthcare, Mikhail Zurabov, is a Chechen. His political agenda includes the total destruction of the Russian healthcare system, looking like revenge for the war in Chechnya. Putin shows no concern over that.

Strategically Russia is surrendering to the Muslim world. The Russian population is declining rapidly, being undermined by 70 years of Communist experiment and the cold indifference of post-communist rulers. Annually, Russia is losing 900 thousand people who are being replaced by Muslims from the Caucasus and Central Asia. Islam is now the second-largest religion in Russia, where it may total up to 28 million adherents. Because of this, Russia was able to join the Organization of the Islamic Conference in 2003.

Russia's great qualitative population change represents both a departure from the past and a strengthening link with it. The synergies between the history of Russia's national policies of terrorism and the radical Islamic terrorism that it is spreading around the world are natural partners that may severely impact on America's own future.

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Konstantin Preobrazhensky, a former Lt. Colonel in the KGB who defected to the United States in 1993, is an intelligence expert and specialist on Japan, about which he has written six books. His newest book Russian-American, A New KGB Asset will be published in late 2007. This article was first published by Gerard Group International, Intel Analyses, 31 August 2007.

http://cicentre.com/Documents/russia_islam_not_separate.html

148 posted on 06/26/2012 7:35:41 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

IF you can’t stop somebody, it might be a good strategery to pretend friendship and redirect their aggression.


149 posted on 06/26/2012 9:21:35 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Cronos

Can’t the Arab League do anything by itself?


150 posted on 06/26/2012 2:35:12 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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