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Those Fast and Furious Documents Must be Dynamite (Obama Has Painted Himself Into a Corner)
Powerline ^ | June 20. 2012 | http://www.powerlineblPaul irengoff

Posted on 06/20/2012 6:41:59 PM PDT by lbryce

My friend Bill Otis was a Justice Department lawyer for many years. He spent a good portion of those years as a prosecutor. He also served as an attorney in the White House Counsel’s shop, so he knows all about dealing with unpleasant congressional investigations and demands for documents.

In short, Bill is extremely very well positioned to comment knowledgably on the dispute between Rep. Issa’s Committee and Eric Holder, and on the White House’s decision to assert executive privilege. Here is what Bill had to say:

Even with his fawning press, [Presdient Obama] will pay a price for this one. He knows this, meaning that the documents now to be withheld must be dynamite. They have to show either that Holder knew what was going on with Fast and Furious and approved it, or that he directly committed perjury in his Congressional testimony, or both. I just can’t see any other explanation for such a risky move.

Wasn’t the Washington Post just covering big time the 40th anniversary of Watergate? I wonder how much coverage this one will get.

UPDATE: Some have speculated that Obama’s intervention means that the president himself has something to hide.

(Excerpt) Read more at powerlineblog.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; dynamite; fasfandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; murdergate; obama
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So,with the political corner he's painted himself into it seems even someone of his great teleprompter reading skills, expert community organizing abilities, God-given talent as connoisseur of the finest cuts of canine meats, unrivaled finesse as collector of a multitude of separate social security numbers, liar, denier, put your birth certificate on fire, it doesn't seem like he's going to be pulling out one of those Saturday matinee rescue maneuvers to save his bony ass.... But then again I wouldn't bet against him him to take Michelle and the kids hostage,
1 posted on 06/20/2012 6:42:06 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

It must be at least as bad as his birth certificate...


2 posted on 06/20/2012 6:46:23 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1247 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: lbryce

I have dreamed for 3-1/2 years to see him evicted from 1600 Penn. Ave. in Handcuffs.

May it be so.


3 posted on 06/20/2012 6:46:48 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: lbryce

Issa is going on “On the Record” with Greta in 13 mins...(10:00 est)


4 posted on 06/20/2012 6:46:48 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: lbryce
Obama to Sarah Brady :"I want you to know we are working on gun control under the radar."

I promise you he knew all about F&F.

5 posted on 06/20/2012 6:47:26 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: lbryce

If there was any semblance at all of a press doing its job, this would be front page all over the country. Alas...


6 posted on 06/20/2012 6:48:48 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: lbryce

“So,with the political corner he’s painted himself into it seems even someone of his great teleprompter reading skills, expert community organizing abilities, God-given talent as connoisseur of the finest cuts of canine meats, unrivaled finesse as collector of a multitude of separate social security numbers, liar, denier, put your birth certificate on fire, it doesn’t seem like he’s going to be pulling out one of those Saturday matinee rescue maneuvers to save his bony ass.... But then again I wouldn’t bet against him him to take Michelle and the kids hostage,”

Oh, my! Your response to this article is a piece of literary genius! You get an A+ from the FR spelling/grammatical/composition/english major Nazis!


7 posted on 06/20/2012 6:48:54 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: DainBramage

That’s exactly what I thought when I saw he’d filed executive privilege. Imagine a single email sitting out there saying that this is a good program because it will allow exploitation of the so-called gun-show-loophole and new gun-grabbing regulations.


8 posted on 06/20/2012 6:50:06 PM PDT by TheZMan (Obama is without a doubt the worst President ever elected to these United States)
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To: lbryce

My guess is that there was coordination with 0bama and Hillary to orchistrate a crisis resulting with an international treaty with Mexico to ban guns in the USA.


9 posted on 06/20/2012 6:50:23 PM PDT by MtnClimber (To the left wrong is right, down is up and backward is "Forward")
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To: Texas Fossil
I have dreamed for 3-1/2 years to see him evicted from 1600 Penn. Ave. in Handcuffs.

Pretty unlikely.

But he will probably lose in November.

Then next year you can watch him every night at 8:00 on MSNBC.

10 posted on 06/20/2012 6:51:03 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: lbryce
They have to show either that Holder knew what was going on with Fast and Furious and approved it, or that he directly committed perjury in his Congressional testimony, or both.

More likely IMHO:

They have to show either that Holder and Obama knew what was going on with Fast and Furious and approved it, or that he and that Holder directly committed perjury following Obama's explicit orders in his Congressional testimony, or both.

11 posted on 06/20/2012 6:51:16 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1247 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: DainBramage

And I’ll bet he knew minute details, cuz he likes to be in the middle of controversial things. They are rattled and will regret what I have a hunch is a knee jerk reaction. And my mom told me to always follow my hunches.


12 posted on 06/20/2012 6:51:45 PM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: lbryce

rotflmao!!!!!


13 posted on 06/20/2012 6:56:24 PM PDT by databoss
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To: DainBramage

“I promise you he knew all about F&F.”

You bet he did and that is why he will go to any lengths to hide the truth.


14 posted on 06/20/2012 6:56:48 PM PDT by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: DainBramage

Totally agree. The left has several brass rings to grab in this country, social medicine was one, and so is gun-grabbing. Obama wanted bold strokes.


15 posted on 06/20/2012 6:57:02 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: lbryce

Republicans on the committee believe Holder prepared a document for Obama describing all about F£F and that is why they are withholding the documents. Whether Obama actually saw the document is the question.

My guess is, YES, he knew all about it!

Remember, the committee already has some of the withheld documents given to them by whistleblowers. Holder and Obama don’t know what documents the committee possess.


16 posted on 06/20/2012 6:57:14 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Texas Fossil
"May it be so."


17 posted on 06/20/2012 6:57:14 PM PDT by garjog
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To: DainBramage
Bingo. It was a policy decision for gun control. Dems in Congress were on board too.
18 posted on 06/20/2012 6:57:22 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)
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To: lbryce
Some have speculated that Obama’s intervention means that the president himself has something to hide.

Ya think? Since both Obama and Holder have denied all knowledge of F&F, how can Obama claim executive privilege?

19 posted on 06/20/2012 6:57:35 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: lbryce

What about evidence of direct contacts between WH and pre-arranged shady recipients of firearms — would that qualify as dynamite?


20 posted on 06/20/2012 6:58:26 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: SoDak

If this involved a Republican AG and president, the MSM would be giving it the full monte with saturation, wall-to-wall, 24X7 coverage. Instead, the leftist MSM is putting up a fire wall to block out any meaningful coverage. The MSM is totally corrupt.


21 posted on 06/20/2012 6:59:50 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: garjog

If he were in Sheriff Joe’s jail, would his stripes be pink??

hee hee hee

May it be so.


22 posted on 06/20/2012 7:01:29 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: lbryce
Well, happily this may be the bomb that blows Obama out of possible re-election - maybe facing impeachment - who knows.

But, somehow I'm betting that any document that endangered this idiot's status as president has most certainly been... 'Uh... destroyed, and uh.... accidentally, uh... of course.'

23 posted on 06/20/2012 7:02:27 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: null and void
IMHO, what's in the emails isn't that important, and has been purged of any incriminating information.

What IS IMPORTANT is that this is a STARE DOWN, with Obama and Holder trying to show CONGRESS and the HOUSE that The King and his Magistrate do not have to take orders from anyone.

Obama and Holder know that if ISSA is successful at this, there are plenty of other little problems that really could be damaging. So... they are drawing the line, in the sand, because they have plenty of fudge room. They don't think there is anything that can be proved, and next time they won't have to say NO, because no one will ask.

24 posted on 06/20/2012 7:03:06 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: null and void
Monica Crowley was on Hannity. Put out the possibility the documents will show the program was not botched but done by design to attack the constitution and gun rights.
25 posted on 06/20/2012 7:04:21 PM PDT by opentalk
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26 posted on 06/20/2012 7:05:04 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Texas Fossil

Three and a half years is a month from now.

Compare to Rev 13:5...


27 posted on 06/20/2012 7:05:56 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1247 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: kcvl

“Remember, the committee already has some of the withheld documents given to them by whistleblowers. Holder and Obama don’t know what documents the committee possess.”

A key point for sure. Issa more than likely has a good paper trail, and confirmation by multiple sources, of key events along with the associated communications that reveals who was in the decision loop.


28 posted on 06/20/2012 7:08:34 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: null and void

Continuing the thought:

If both houses agree to file contempt charges against Holder, Holder will give Issa the documents, knowing that there is nothing of value in them and that giving them an excessive volume at one time will keep them busy and be costly, time consuming, and delay any actions.


29 posted on 06/20/2012 7:09:47 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Starboard
The MSM is totally corrupt

And the MSM is implicated in F&F as well. Remember all the stories about how 90% of the Mexican cartel weapons came from US gun shops?

So the MSM has an interest in seeing that this particular story dies. Some inconvenient questions might be asked about why they were so eager to do the WH/DOJ bidding.

30 posted on 06/20/2012 7:10:46 PM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Starboard

Yep, it’s totally gone. We may be just one or two elections from a dictatorship.


31 posted on 06/20/2012 7:10:59 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: null and void

Sux when the criminals are in charge.


32 posted on 06/20/2012 7:11:09 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: null and void
Thank you!

From Issa's Facebook Page
Have you shown your support?

Contact phone numbers and addresses for congress criters listed below. Need to get the word out and encourage everyone to Holder to the Fire!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2895739/posts

33 posted on 06/20/2012 7:11:56 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: null and void

He was elected more than 3-1/2 years ago. I knew before the election what he is. No illusions.

Rev: 13:5

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (3.5 years exactly)

Quite an observation my friend. Significance? Guess we will find out soon.


34 posted on 06/20/2012 7:17:25 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: null and void

It is clear that he serves the father-of-lies.


35 posted on 06/20/2012 7:18:36 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: opentalk

Monica Crowley was on Hannity. Put out the possibility the documents will show the program was not botched but done by design to attack the constitution and gun rights.
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Monica must be an FR Lurker. She has just proposed a theory that has been accepted here at FR for at least the last 12 months if not longer.


36 posted on 06/20/2012 7:19:01 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: kcvl

I believe such a document would be entitled to executive privilege in this case.
Only an impeachment trial could demand it perhaps.

The odd thing about this is that the DOJ refused to even respond with a “privilege log’ stating what documents they believed privileged. That shows hardcore coverup- a ‘privilege log’ is SOP in these disputes.


37 posted on 06/20/2012 7:22:40 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: aposiopetic
"What about evidence of direct contacts between WH and pre-arranged shady recipients of firearms — would that qualify as dynamite?"

Perhaps early knowledge by DOJ that Jaime Zapata was killed by a F & F weapon, or even worse, that some of the weapons went to gangs intending to ambush US agents?

38 posted on 06/20/2012 7:23:35 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: DainBramage
When I saw the “under the radar” you-tube....It all fell into place. This was...what?....2-3 years ago?

I knew then, that this was what this scum-ball was up to. Subverting the Constitution.

I think things are going to start unraveling, very quickly for the Smartest Guy Ever. Going to love every indignity he suffers. POS fraud and his fat arsed “fit” international style icon...tossed to the curb as the trash they are. Hopefully Barry will have a nice bunk next to Rezko and Mooch will be turned down for the Jenny Craig gig because she can't stop shoving wagyu beef and martoonis into that gaping hole.

39 posted on 06/20/2012 7:24:28 PM PDT by Pigsley
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To: lbryce; a fool in paradise

I bet that whatever’s left of the documents there is by now an 18 and a half minute gap in them.


40 posted on 06/20/2012 7:24:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Truth29
even worse, that some of the weapons went to gangs intending to ambush US agents?

Can't be ruled out, especially with this stonewalling.

41 posted on 06/20/2012 7:25:55 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: lbryce

The should sue Obama in court on his authority to withhold the documents from the Congress. If he loses, he’ll have to turn over the documents by court order.

They could skip all that chest pounding by the Demon-rats.


42 posted on 06/20/2012 7:27:02 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Blood of Tyrants

There is another possibility. Holder has the goods on Jarrett/Axelrod/Rahm, etc....and EP is the price of the blackmail. Obama would throw Axelrod and Rahm under the bus but not Jarrett.


43 posted on 06/20/2012 7:27:23 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: InterceptPoint

She has a new book out, sounds like it is about Obama agenda to intentionally destroy everything exceptional about America....Healthcare, military, free market


44 posted on 06/20/2012 7:27:52 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: lbryce
Why and who left the guns by Terry's severely injured person? That's how this whole thing broke loose. Something is really strange here unless whoever did it couldn't get to where they were going carrying guns.

What if . . . .one of ours did it for nefarious purposes?

No matter what it was, if what happened was that bad, I don't think they'd keep the papers and anything handed over, I wouldn't trust anyway.

45 posted on 06/20/2012 7:28:16 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: tsowellfan

What orders did Obama give Holder, and when did he give them?

(Linkie no workie)


46 posted on 06/20/2012 7:30:56 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1247 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: DainBramage
Obama to Sarah Brady :"I want you to know we are working on gun control under the radar."

I promise you he knew all about F&F.

(John) Lott relates his interactions with Obama in his new book, co-authored with Americans for Tax Reform’s Grover Norquist, “Debacle: Obama’s War on Jobs and Growth and What We can Do Now to Regain Our Future.”

“The book relates a couple out of the dozen-and-a-half conversations that I had with him (Obama),” Lott told The Daily Caller. ”But they were all very short, cut off by Obama turning his back on me and walking away.”

“He wouldn’t shake hands. It was very clear that Obama disagreed on the gun issue and acted as if he believed that people who he disagreed with were not just wrong, but evil. Unlike other liberal academics who usually enjoyed discussing opposing ideas, Obama simply showed disdain.”

Lott and Obama were colleagues at the University of Chicago Law School in the 1990s.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/08/gun-rights-advocate-and-former-obama-colleague-president-used-to-treat-him-as-evil/#ixzz1yOJRyRvC

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Yep. Oblabme wanted to be in the loop on The Big Coup. Putz.

47 posted on 06/20/2012 7:32:46 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kevslisababy

The same way he has playing cards w the drone strikes , the same way he knew about fast n furious.


48 posted on 06/20/2012 7:34:39 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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49 posted on 06/20/2012 7:45:26 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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50 posted on 06/20/2012 7:47:20 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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