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US SCOTUS Decision (10am) Open thread for Thursday June 21st, 2012

Posted on 06/21/2012 2:58:37 AM PDT by Perdogg

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Today the court is handing down decisions, possibly in the Arizona Immigration Law case.

Make your Prediction on:

1. Az Immigration law

2a. Heathcare Mandate

2b. Heathcare Servability

3. Stolen Valor Act


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: P-Marlowe

And the Republicans will continue to be spineless cowards who won’t do anything. I’m sure the Mittster will have plenty of ambiguous statements ready to go.

Sigh.

I don’t think there’s any way we’ll see Obamacare completely overturned. I say the mandate gets struck down 5-4 with Kennedy as the deciding vote.


51 posted on 06/21/2012 5:36:15 AM PDT by Cato in PA (1/26/12: Bloody Thursday)
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To: Sacajaweau
If Congress where to "do their job" in regards to health care, they'd leave it the f*ck alone.

There is no Art 1 Sec 8 power to control our healthcare system.

52 posted on 06/21/2012 5:39:01 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Perdogg

I think they will make us wait until next week to get the healthcare decision. I am hoping arizona wins today at the very least.


53 posted on 06/21/2012 5:39:01 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: P-Marlowe

“I predict that no matter what the Supreme Court decides Obama will continue to act as if he alone is the only legitimate branch of government.”
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That’d be hard to do without funding or cooperation of the states or insurance companies.
Predictions:
Az law: 7-1 upheld
Mandate: 5-4 overturned
Severability: Not sever able 6-3


54 posted on 06/21/2012 5:47:14 AM PDT by katieanna
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To: ari-freedom
I’m prepared for a nasty surprise on health care. Not that they would vote and not have a majority in favor of repeal but rather a punt in order not to take any stand

Wow, it's almost frightening to think about.

I mean, the reaction of people who know what this means would be akin to "duck and cover". People would be scrambling to salvage what they could of their business assets and other financial investments.

It could crash an already abysmal economy.

The EU would know that there's no bailout, because any money would have just come off the presses and have no real, stable value.

We'd be a pauper nation with a poor ruling from SCOTUS, and I think it'd have that hard an impact in a matter of days if not hours.

55 posted on 06/21/2012 5:51:52 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Reo

The Weather Channel can’t tell the lies fast enough.

Holder’s woes this morning are a result of a Republican fishing expedition, according to TWC’s best meteorologists.


56 posted on 06/21/2012 6:00:20 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Dead Corpse

I agree........


57 posted on 06/21/2012 6:00:38 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: JerseyDvl

“I think they will make us wait until next week to get the healthcare decision.”

___________________________

Ditto.


58 posted on 06/21/2012 6:04:40 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: katieanna

I’ll share this with you all: I was in Washington over spring break and while waiting for the Metro, talked with a lady briefly. I told her that HC concerns me because I have an excellent situation with my doctor. She has my full confidence and there is a medication that I MUST take. I told this lady I cannot have my medical situation disturbed by a bad law. The lady looked at me with sincerity and said “ Well, I think you can stay on your current plan if you want to b/c not everybody is affected by the law”. I was stunned that someone in Washington would be that ignorant of the far-reaching aspects of this law.
Kate


59 posted on 06/21/2012 6:05:11 AM PDT by katieanna
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To: Caipirabob

“It could crash an already abysmal economy.”

We’re supposed to call it a “fragile recovery” thanks to the Hussein Heads.


60 posted on 06/21/2012 6:05:19 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Perdogg
I predict the SC will uphold the Arizona law in part.

Obozo care will be struck down due to the individual mandate and the whole law will collapse because of the lack of a severability clause.

61 posted on 06/21/2012 6:08:12 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: ari-freedom

When I heard and saw Obummer at the ‘04 convention, I said out loud “There is the next President of the USA”. Whomever I was with(someone!) said proclaimed that I was crazy.
When Rush went on his Operation Chaos campaign(I still have my tee shirt..thought it was fun to wear), I thought: “Rush, you’ve got it all wrong. Her Thighness will NOT be the nominee!”.

People: Run, do not walk to your nearest bookstore or log on to Amazon and order THE AMATEUR by Edward Klein. His description of Hussein and his minions won’t surprise you..but it’s a great book.


62 posted on 06/21/2012 6:17:36 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (We the People will stand up to shield the sacred documents of our country.)
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To: Perdogg

My prediction? Jay Carney is going to be doing some SERIOUS tapdancing today and tomorrow, and the Sunday talk show circut will be filled with whining crying Democrats.


63 posted on 06/21/2012 6:28:08 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-eyed killer of the deep.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Yup, King Odungbeetle shall not be bothered with such little things as the SCOTUS and the constitution. He is above all that. And the wimpering castrati of the GOP will do nothing about it.


64 posted on 06/21/2012 6:28:08 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Mountain Mary

He won because of a speech. No experience, no proven record. Those things don’t matter anymore.

Liberalism isn’t the biggest problem facing America. It’s that people fall for style over substance in general.


65 posted on 06/21/2012 6:34:52 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: ari-freedom

10 more minutes....


66 posted on 06/21/2012 6:51:58 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: treetopsandroofs
according to TWC’s best meteorologists...

Was that during the Astrology segment?

67 posted on 06/21/2012 6:52:44 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Perdogg

For all the negative nabobs, Intrade, which is the only poll I think that matters next to election results has the individual mandate in Obamacare having a chance of being struck down at 74.8%

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=745353

My prediction:
AZ Law Upheld
Individual Mandate Struck down
Obamacare Law Struck down


68 posted on 06/21/2012 6:53:07 AM PDT by erod (This Chicagoan will crawl over broken glass to vote the fake Chicagoan Obama out!)
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Go to http://www.scotusblog.com/ for live blogging on this.


69 posted on 06/21/2012 7:00:02 AM PDT by NeverEVERKerry (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: NeverEVERKerry

says it is offline


70 posted on 06/21/2012 7:00:52 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "One can argue about whose fault it is, but not ... whose responsibility it is: it's his")
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To: NonValueAdded

This is the direct link my browser is using now: http://scotusblog.wpengine.com/

Does this one work for you?


71 posted on 06/21/2012 7:02:28 AM PDT by NeverEVERKerry (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: NonValueAdded
Here's the direct link: http://scotusblog.wpengine.com/

(Sorry it's not posted as a link).

72 posted on 06/21/2012 7:03:02 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Perdogg

1. Az Immigration law - Overturned

2a. Heathcare Mandate - Sustained, partial

2b. Heathcare Servability - Yes, & gets rid of mandte.

3. Stolen Valor Act - Overturned
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I have no idea... Am a bit nervous...


73 posted on 06/21/2012 7:03:02 AM PDT by PghBaldy (I eagerly await the next news about the struggles of Elizabeth Sacheen Littlefeather Warren.)
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To: NeverEVERKerry; glennaro

at least it came up but is slower than Holder responding to a subpoena


74 posted on 06/21/2012 7:05:26 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "One can argue about whose fault it is, but not ... whose responsibility it is: it's his")
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From the live blog:

Kali:
Apologies if you’re having trouble with the case page not loading; there are 22,000 people on the live blog right now. If you can figure our how to take turns it may load faster...


75 posted on 06/21/2012 7:05:26 AM PDT by NeverEVERKerry (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: katieanna

Agree with you on mandate and severability, but I believe that the vote on the AZ law will be 5-3 to uphold it.


76 posted on 06/21/2012 7:06:16 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Perdogg

No prediction, but going to be in and out of the office today so I want to keep tabs on this thread.

Since I deal with health insurance, I’m hoping for a celebration!


77 posted on 06/21/2012 7:06:37 AM PDT by Spirit of Liberty (http://www.honorflight.org)
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To: ari-freedom

“...Liberalism isn’t the biggest problem facing America....”

Truer words have never been spoken. Although it’s probably more of a threat to the nation than just “a problem”. Islam is probably not too far behind it. Liberalism is a brain-rotting, dibilitating, mental disease with no known cure. Those infected are, for all intensive purposes, become brain-washed zombies of their ruling elite believing everything they’re told. They have no mental capability to reason, or even think, for themselves. Need proof: Just look how the zombies in Issa’s committee voted on Holder. Not one of em could reason or think for themselves even when they were spoon-fed the evidence right before their very eyes! They don’t even comprehend that their brains have rotted out and are now just tools programmed to blindly follow commands from the leader. Think of “The Borg” from the Star Trek series and you’d not be too far off in an analysis of how wasted and insane that they really are.


78 posted on 06/21/2012 7:06:52 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: kabar

FLASH!!! Just in! The SC has ruled that ObamaCare is


79 posted on 06/21/2012 7:08:05 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (You're screwy! You're spaced! You lost the recall race!)
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To: Perdogg

So court ruled against SEIU on use of dues for political purposes? Good news No?


80 posted on 06/21/2012 7:09:24 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: NeverEVERKerry

I’ll copy/paste for those that can’t get in:

10:01
Amy:
First opinion is in Southern Union.

10:01
Amy:
Justice Sotomayor has opinion. The rule of Apprendi v. NJ applies to the imposition of criminal fines. The First Circuit is reversed. The vote is 6-3.

10:01
Amy:
Justice Breyer dissents, joined by Kennedy and Alito.

10:02
Amy:
We have at least one more opinion.

10:02
Amy:
Southern Union was about whether a jury needed to find facts leading to the imposition of a higher criminal fine.

10:02
Kali:
Our case page for Southern Union is here. I will link to the opinion once it’s up on the Court’s website.

10:03
Amy:
To answer a commenter, you may not have been waiting for Southern Union, but Southern Union was probably waiting for Southern Union.

10:04
Amy:
Yes, to answer another commenter, no opinions from Justice Kagan today.

10:04
Amy:
No majority opinions, at least.

10:05
Kali:
Apologies if you’re having trouble with the case page not loading; there are 22,000 people on the live blog right now. If you can figure our how to take turns it may load faster...

10:05
Amy:
Knox v. SEIU, 10-1121. Opinion by Alito.

10:06
Amy:
The Ninth Circuit is reversed. Justice Sotomayor concurs in the judgment, joined by Ginsburg. It appears to be 7-2; Breyer dissented, joined by Kagan.

10:06
Kali:
Here’s a link to the opinion in Southern Union: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-94a1b2.pdf

10:06
Amy:
The Court rules that the case is not moot, first. It then rules on the merits: the union’s treatment of nonmembers who had opted out when they got notice of the dues ran afoul of the First Amendment.

10:06 Amy:
This is not the final opinion. We have at least one more.

10:07
Amy:
To answer another question, yes, when you become the Chief Justice you automatically become the most senior Justice and get to go last with opinions, even if you have not been on the Court as long as some other Justices.


81 posted on 06/21/2012 7:09:52 AM PDT by NeverEVERKerry (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Perdogg; All

Knox VS. SEIU is actually a HUGE Decision that hits directly at Union/Democrat Revenue streams, especially in California.

But, you won’t be hearing about it on the evening news tonite.


82 posted on 06/21/2012 7:10:24 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: NeverEVERKerry

10:08
Amy:
I think that the sign that there is another opinion is very high-tech — like another box of opinions waiting to be released at the Public Information Office.

10:09
Kali:
The opinion in Knox is up on the Court’s website: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-1121c4d6.pdf

10:10
Amy:
The physical copies of the opinions are released as they are announced in the Courtroom. The Justices read summaries of their opinions (not the same as the syllabus that gets printed) as they are released.


83 posted on 06/21/2012 7:11:08 AM PDT by NeverEVERKerry (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: PJ-Comix
FLASH!!! Just in! The SC has ruled that ObamaCare is

LOL Dude don't do that to me for reals. :D

84 posted on 06/21/2012 7:12:05 AM PDT by erod (This Chicagoan will crawl over broken glass to vote the fake Chicagoan Obama out!)
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To: erod

Yeah. I fell for it too.


85 posted on 06/21/2012 7:12:38 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
ears will ignore them and dare someone to stop him from implementing them anyway.

I think you are on to something there!!! Hope the rest of voting America is as observant as you.
86 posted on 06/21/2012 7:12:43 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Perdogg
US SCOTUS Decision

Sponsored by the Department of Redundancy Department. ;^)

87 posted on 06/21/2012 7:12:55 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: NeverEVERKerry

10:12
Amy:
I believe that the oral summaries are released much later in the year, which is why there have been requests to have the audio/video released on the same day as health care. Those requests are unlikely to be granted.

10:13
Amy:
Lyle is not in the Courtroom. He is in the pressroom and gets the hard copies of the opinions as they are released and then comes to the phone to talk to me.

10:13
Amy:
Just to clarify — there isn’t video at the Court. People would like for there to be video. There will be no video.


88 posted on 06/21/2012 7:13:19 AM PDT by NeverEVERKerry (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: tcrlaf
A slapdown of SEIU and the Ninth Circus at the same time is something to savor
89 posted on 06/21/2012 7:13:33 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "One can argue about whose fault it is, but not ... whose responsibility it is: it's his")
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To: NonValueAdded; Perdogg; onyx; RedMDer; trisham; TheOldLady; musicman; vox_freedom; JoeProBono; ...

Live blogging SCOTUS

9:58

Amy:
The Court will not announce a list of which opinions we will get today. We will find out one at a time. The Court starts with the most junior Justice who has an opinion and then goes in reverse seniority, ending with the Chief Justice.

Continuing updates (scroll to bottom of screen)

http://scotusblog.wpengine.com/

( hope it’s soon.. late night .. need more sleep .. Lord, in Your abiding mercy, please preserve our dear nation as intended, confound our enemies )


90 posted on 06/21/2012 7:13:43 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: newgeezer

Redundancy can be quite catchy as well as contagious.


91 posted on 06/21/2012 7:15:35 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (You're screwy! You're spaced! You lost the recall race!)
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To: NeverEVERKerry

10:14
Amy:
Here comes Lyle to tell us that Justice Breyer is reading from his dissent in Knox. That’s why we have no additional news for you regarding the next opinion.

10:15
Amy:
We don’t know what the next opinion is. We expect another one, which would not be from either Justice Sotomayor or Justice Kagan, because the Court goes in order of reverse seniority and the Knox case was by Justice Alito. So it will be Alito or one of the more senior Justices.

Tom:
The union dues case may be quite significant — there is not only the dissent but a narrower concurring opinion that says that “[t]he majority thus decides, for the very first time, that the First Amendment does require an opt-in system in some circumstances [for union dues]: the levying of a special assessment or dues increase.”

10:16
Amy:
We don’t know how many more we are getting today, just that Lyle has told us that there will be at least one more. And he’s been doing this for over fifty years, so I trust him.


92 posted on 06/21/2012 7:15:51 AM PDT by NeverEVERKerry (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: STARWISE

10:15

Tom:
The union dues case may be quite significant — there is not only the dissent but a narrower concurring opinion that says that “[t]he majority thus decides, for the very first time, that the First Amendment does require an opt-in system in some circumstances [for union dues]: the levying of a special assessment or dues increase.”

That Michigan union chick must be very, very disappointed


93 posted on 06/21/2012 7:15:51 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "One can argue about whose fault it is, but not ... whose responsibility it is: it's his")
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To: STARWISE

Amen


94 posted on 06/21/2012 7:15:57 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln (But that's just me.)
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To: All

You see Justice Breyer re Knox recent post at live blogging SCOTUS above. Here’s the case:

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Supreme Court Soon to Rule on Knox v. SEIU

SEIU Political Fundraising Mechanism Operates Unconstitutionally, Says Horace Cooper of National Center for Public Policy Research

Washington, DC - The United States Supreme Court will shortly issue a ruling in Knox v. SEIU, a California case about the misuse of compulsory union dues and the subject of a new National Policy Analysis paper by National Center for Public Policy Research Adjunct Fellow Horace Cooper.

Rest
http://www.nationalcenter.org/PR-Knox_v_SEIU_061812.html


95 posted on 06/21/2012 7:16:35 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: NeverEVERKerry

10:18

Tom:
So on the majority’s rationale, the Court is 5-4 in the union dues case, divided on ideological lines. But in the result it is 6-3.


96 posted on 06/21/2012 7:17:38 AM PDT by NeverEVERKerry (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: All

On Twitter it says Breyer is reading. They go in order of least to most senior, so justices more senior thn Breyer should be next? Assuming Twitter person is correct...


97 posted on 06/21/2012 7:18:30 AM PDT by PghBaldy (I eagerly await the next news about the struggles of Elizabeth Sacheen Littlefeather Warren.)
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To: NonValueAdded

I love it and Sotomayor seems to be showing loyalty to Roberts and voted with the majority. Kagan is another Ginsburg.


98 posted on 06/21/2012 7:18:39 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: STARWISE

SEIU loses 7-2.


99 posted on 06/21/2012 7:18:39 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: newgeezer

I know it was before 6am


100 posted on 06/21/2012 7:19:20 AM PDT by Perdogg
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