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Zimmerman tells cops Trayvon Martin reached for his gun as police tapes released(FL)
nypost.com ^ | 21 June, 2012 | DAVID K. LI

Posted on 06/21/2012 10:36:43 AM PDT by marktwain

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Someone trying to get your gun is a deadly threat.
1 posted on 06/21/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by marktwain
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I hope Zimmerman gets off. If what he did was not self defense then nothing is.


2 posted on 06/21/2012 10:37:58 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: marktwain

This is not new. He’s been saying that since day one.


3 posted on 06/21/2012 10:38:54 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Bump!


4 posted on 06/21/2012 10:41:31 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: marktwain

I already knew about this in May.


5 posted on 06/21/2012 10:51:07 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain

I already knew about this in May.

Correction: a lot of it, but definitely the title subject.

We are just getting a lot of this that we already have seen, but in a different context.


6 posted on 06/21/2012 10:52:08 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain
(snip) one day after he blew away Martin (snip)

I know the Post writers aren't exactly paragons of the English language, but this is a very small step above "bustin' a cap." I suppose I should be happy that it's not written out in text-speak.
7 posted on 06/21/2012 10:55:35 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: marktwain
I heard that GZ's pistol still had the empty casing in the chamber when the cops got it. This would indicate that the slide had not retracted during firing to eject the empty and load the next round. And why would it not have done so? Because innocent Trayvon had his fist closed over it, trying to tear it out of GZ's hand.

If this wasn't self-defense, nothing is.

8 posted on 06/21/2012 10:59:31 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: marktwain

Looks like the punk got it wrong. I would have done the same.


9 posted on 06/21/2012 11:01:11 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: marktwain

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Buy lots of popcorn and beer!


10 posted on 06/21/2012 11:07:42 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

None of this is new. Even the videos, which are “new” to the general public, have been known to the police and the prosecutors since February. All of the evidence supports Mr. Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. There has never been any evidence to support arresting him or charging him with a crime.


11 posted on 06/21/2012 11:24:48 AM PDT by manforallseasons
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To: marktwain
Oh, I think Zimmerman overreacted. Why, just becuase someone is sitting on you, beating your head into the pavement, reaching for your gun and says "You're going to die tonight mother f--ker", why would you assume they meant to inflict bodily harm? It's only because the child was black that he felt threatened.

Need I add, /sarc?

12 posted on 06/21/2012 11:25:26 AM PDT by In Maryland (Liberal logic - the ultimate oxymoron!)
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To: thulldud
I heard that GZ's pistol still had the empty casing in the chamber when the cops got it. This would indicate that the slide had not retracted during firing to eject the empty and load the next round. And why would it not have done so? Because innocent Trayvon had his fist closed over it, trying to tear it out of GZ's hand.

Interesting. I wonder what fingerprints and DNA showed on that gun???

13 posted on 06/21/2012 11:27:19 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: thulldud

No, the case was found in the grass and I believe it was under TM’s body.


14 posted on 06/21/2012 11:35:15 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Uncle Chip

The PF-9 wouldn’t hold either very well, but I believe only GZ could be shown to have touched the gun.


15 posted on 06/21/2012 11:37:18 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: In Maryland

I totally love what you said and agree with it 100 percent. I am fed up that good people are getting railroaded in this case and the police chief should never have been fired. Zimmerman acted in self defense.


16 posted on 06/21/2012 11:41:20 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: marktwain
Someone trying to get your gun is a deadly threat.

Not when it's a yute armed with a bag of Skittles.

17 posted on 06/21/2012 11:42:24 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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Someone trying to get your gun is a deadly threat.

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Being followed in car and then on foot by a stranger with a gun can just as easily be perceived as a deadly threat. You know what perception is, don't you....it is the reason this entire affair happened in the first place.

18 posted on 06/21/2012 11:47:16 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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A failure to eject in a semi-automatic can also be caused by having the barrel in contact with the target. This fits the up close and personal nature of the fight.


19 posted on 06/21/2012 11:50:20 AM PDT by marshall_t
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To: wtc911

No, being followed by car and then on foot by a stranger can never be perceived as a deadly threat. There has to be more, something a reasonable person would believe indicates a deadly threat. Following doesn’t even come close.

Nice try sneaking the gun in your narrative but Zimmerman was carrying concealed and there is no evidence whatsoever that the gun was an issue prior to the scuffle. Furthermore there is plenty of evidence that the gun only became an issue after the fight exposed it.


20 posted on 06/21/2012 12:03:05 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Cyber Liberty
Not when it's a yute armed with a bag of Skittles.

Don't forget the still unopened can of watermelon drink???

21 posted on 06/21/2012 12:11:36 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: marktwain
Someone trying to get your gun is a deadly threat.

So is someone bashing your head into the sidewalk to the point where you feel like you're about to lose consciousness.

22 posted on 06/21/2012 12:31:05 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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To: marktwain

If there were a campaign to destroy the case against Zimmerman, dripping out the exculpatory details one by one over months would be the way to do it. It’s like when the Democrats slime a GOP politician. It may just be caused by the Extra Special prosecutrix’s suppression of the facts to begin with. (Do angry cops just keep dropping these bombs?) The prosecution will fail, and Sanford is going to have a problem from every direction.


23 posted on 06/21/2012 12:50:20 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: marktwain

I agree....self defense


24 posted on 06/21/2012 1:18:13 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Not when it's a yute armed with a bag of Skittles.

Are you sure that's all he had? I heard Al Sharpton say that Martin was armed with a skillet.

25 posted on 06/21/2012 1:39:18 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: 1malumprohibitum
No, being followed by car and then on foot by a stranger can never be perceived as a deadly threat.

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Gee, you left out the part about the gun...no surprise.

You only have GZ's word for when TM first saw the gun. And we know that GZ is a liar and a sneak...a liar and a sneak who has a violent history.

I understand though why you ignore these things.

26 posted on 06/21/2012 2:17:22 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911; marktwain; 1malumprohibitum

“Being followed in car and then on foot by a stranger with a gun can just as easily be perceived as a deadly threat. You know what perception is, don’t you....it is the reason this entire affair happened in the first place.”

Actually, Martin was the stranger acting suspiciously. Zimmerman is a resident and Neighborhood Watch volunteer with the duty to keep his eyes on strangers acting suspiciously and to call police, which he did. GZ has every right to get out of his vehicle and walk around in his own neighborhood, so that cannot be claimed as the sole reason that this tragedy happened. You know that many other decisions by TM would have resulted in a much better outcome. One would have been for him to act with some common sense and talk civilly to GZ about why GZ was following him.

But, even if TM felt threatened by GZ following him, that does not give him the right to start assaulting GZ. If TM felt threatened, then he should have called 911 (instead of talking to his girlfriend on the phone) and/or went strait back to the residence where he and his father were visiting.

There is no evidence that TM saw GZ’s gun before the fight started. I really doubt that he would have engaged in a fight if he had seen the gun first.


27 posted on 06/21/2012 2:44:22 PM PDT by Synthesist
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To: SamuraiScot
Someone (read: Team Skittles) could possibly be judge shopping:

Son of judge in Trayvon case went to school with Mrs. Zimmerman

28 posted on 06/22/2012 10:44:26 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: wtc911

He made it to the residence where he was staying and circled back.


29 posted on 06/22/2012 10:48:52 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: wtc911

He made it to the residence where he was staying and circled back.


30 posted on 06/22/2012 10:49:02 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: SamuraiScot

Actually prosecution wanted all of GZ’s statements to the police sealed. O’Mara wanted them released. So did the Orlando Sentienel.


31 posted on 06/22/2012 10:51:32 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: wtc911

Listen to DeeDee’s interview with De La Rionda.

statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.com

there is an audio and a transcript.


32 posted on 06/22/2012 11:05:51 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Jaded

Proof please.


33 posted on 06/22/2012 11:48:15 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Jaded

The problem with the supposed girl-friend’s statement is that it is hearsay without corroboration. The additional problem for those who want to believe that TM stalked and attacked GZ, who was returning to his truck, is that giving her credence refutes that theory.


34 posted on 06/22/2012 11:55:38 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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So then you don’t believe Dee Dee???


35 posted on 06/22/2012 2:23:46 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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<>Proof please<>

You will find it in here:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/dee-dee_trayvon_and_dj.html


36 posted on 06/22/2012 2:59:21 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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I don’t believe any self-serving, uncorroborated statements, Dee Dee’s or Zimmerman’s.


37 posted on 06/22/2012 3:02:12 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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You only have GZ’s word for when TM first saw the gun. And we know that GZ is a liar and a sneak...a liar and a sneak who has a violent history.


TM was also a “liar and a sneak” with a history of theft, drugs and violence.

Why are you ignoring this part? Does it harm your agenda?


38 posted on 06/22/2012 3:06:46 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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I don’t believe any self-serving, uncorroborated statements

That's funny coming from someone who believes a lot of uncorroborated things.

Nonetheless the proof that you requested is in that article. Seek and ye shall find.

39 posted on 06/22/2012 3:12:19 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

The article contains zero proof and is full of “what ifs”...sorry but feel free to try again.


40 posted on 06/22/2012 3:27:51 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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Please post TM’s version of the events that led to GZ killing him and then we can talk about it.


41 posted on 06/22/2012 3:29:49 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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Thanks for corroborating what we knew your response would be to anything with corroborated facts in it.


42 posted on 06/22/2012 4:40:57 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: wtc911

Please post TM’s version of the events that led to GZ killing him and then we can talk about it.


Are you claiming that Treyvon was not a “liar and a sneak” with a history of theft, drugs and violence?

Here are the facts. Treyvon Martin received multiple school suspensions for fighting, theft and drug related offenses. he was on a school suspension when he was wandering the housing complex. No amount of Media misconduct can alter the reality of these facts.

Here’s a little friendly advice. If you don’t want to die a thug’s death, don’t live a thug’s lifestyle. It’s that easy. It’s just too bad nobody said this to TM.


43 posted on 06/22/2012 5:24:24 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: Uncle Chip; wtc911

Speaking of self-serving.

BTW, DeeDee’s interview is what Corey based her affidavit on. The link to the audio of it is on this page as well as a transcription.

http://statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/the-trayvon-martin-case-update-11-the-dee-dee-interview-kaboom/


44 posted on 06/22/2012 9:09:08 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

No, sparky. The conversation is about GZ’s statement and what we already know about his character, that he is a liar and a sneak with a documented history of violence. The guy is a loser and a punk. I wouldn’t take his uncorroborated word for anything.


45 posted on 06/23/2012 5:45:10 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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"Here are the facts. Treyvon Martin received multiple school suspensions for fighting, theft and drug related offenses."

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You might add the weapon they found in his school backpack to your list of facts.

46 posted on 06/23/2012 5:54:00 AM PDT by anglian
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To: wtc911
The conversation is about GZ’s statement and what we already know about his character, that he is a liar and a sneak with a documented history of violence.

I don't let Alinski disciples set the rules of discourse. They tend to be liberal and hypocritical (how redundant). Therefore, you don't get to “frame the argument.”

We know that your little buddy Treyvon was a liar and a sneak with a documented history of violence and theft. Had he lived and not changed his ways he would have soon left the school system for the prison system.

No matter how many loony lefties anguish over "poor little saint trey" and claim he's watching from heaven, they will never change the fact that he lived as a thug and died a thug's death.

47 posted on 06/23/2012 7:32:42 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: Jaded; wtc911
Thanks for posting --

That is a devastating interview and should make everyone wonder about Corey and De La Rionda's competency and agenda.

Their indictment had only two legs to stand on -- and one of them is this unbelievable interview that makes one wonder if she wasn't coached by Crump and De La Rionda -- but she just didn't get it and couldn't remember what she was supposed to say. I doubt she will ever take the witness stand because this wobbly interview will then be placed into evidence and it may very well end De La Rionda's career.

The one thing that the defense may seize upon in this interview is that she said that Trayvon ran fast enough and long enough to be breathing heavily. Since he had about a 30 second head start on Zimmerman and the house he was staying in was only about a minute away, the fleet-footed younger leaner Trayvon would or should have been halfway home before the slower heavier older George even got started after him.

There are two minutes between the time that Zimmerman gets out of the vehicle and his 911 call ends without incident. Where was Trayvon during this 2 minute period of time??? Why wasn't he home??? He had plenty of time to get home -- if he was actually scared as the prosecution alleges. But the indisputable timeline here makes mincemeat of their narrative.

How could the slower George have gotten anywhere near him -- unless the faster Trayvon turned around at some point and came back, or stopped to hide and wait for him. Dee Dee did indicate that he did get to his father's house in one answer -- but then the prosecutor changes the subject. He doesn't want to hear that Trayvon may have made it home and then went back, because that makes him the potential aggressor.

There are and were a whole bunch of questions that should have been asked. The prosecution went out of its way to avoid them for fear of her answers, but it still stepped in it big time. They are in big trouble in this case, and this Dee Dee interview proves it.

48 posted on 06/23/2012 8:29:10 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: marktwain
Accused murderer George Zimmerman reenacted for cops how Trayvon Martin allegedly jumped him and reached for his gun

I speculated about this right after the date of this event.

In fact, if Martin had tried to grab a cops gun, they would have shot him 10-20 times.

Bet the rent.

49 posted on 06/23/2012 8:34:47 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Fido969

Iced tea and Skillets candy...Al Sharpton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt6zqCXwMXA


50 posted on 06/23/2012 8:40:01 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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