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Guidelines on Hatred and the Religion Forum
Religion Moderator | June 22, 2012 | Religion Moderator

Posted on 06/22/2012 8:48:35 AM PDT by Religion Moderator

It is within the bounds of “open” Religion Forum town square style debate for a Freeper to express his hatred of a belief. But such posts are never allowed on RF threads labeled “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” or “ecumenical.”

It is never within the bounds on the Religion Forum for a Freeper to express his hatred of people who hold a particular belief when any Freeper is part of the belief group.

For example:

It is ok to express hatred towards MormonISM on “open” Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Mormons because some Freepers are Mormon.

It is ok to express hatred towards CatholicISM on “open” Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Catholics because some Freepers are Catholic.

It is ok to express hatred towards ProtestantISM on “open” Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Protestants because some Freepers are Protestant.

It is ok to express hatred towards SatanISM and Satanists both because no Freeper is Satanist.

Some political posters are now venturing onto the Religion Forum probably because Romney’s beliefs are at issue in this election.

If you don’t know whether you are on the Religion Forum, look at the top of your internet browser window. If the current address (URL) begins with http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/ then you are on the Religion Forum.

If you do not wish to see RF posts, do NOT use the "everything" option on the Free Republic browse option list. Instead, browse by "News/Activism." When you log back in, the browse will reset to "everything" - so be sure to set it back to "News/Activism."

Finally, whereas posters may argue vigorously for and against beliefs on “open” Religion Forum threads it is never tolerable to use ad hominems in religious debate because they invariably lead to flame wars when the subject is one’s deeply held religious beliefs.

For something to be "making it personal" it must be speaking to another Freeper, personally.

"Protestants are heretics" is not making it personal. "You are a heretic" is making it personal. "Catholics worship Mary" is not making it personal. "You worship Mary" is making it personal. "Mormons worship many gods" is not making it personal. "You worship many gods" is making it personal.

However, when a poster paints with a brush that accuses an entire religion of criminal behavior - his post will be pulled as flame bait. For example, posts that say "Protestants kill babies" or "Catholics molest children" or "Mormons kill non-Mormons" will be pulled. However, if the post is specific about a non-Freeper, I will not pull it. For example "Rev. Doe says abortion and infanticide are not sin" or "Father Doe was convicted for molesting those kids" or "Mormons killed non-Mormons at Mountain Meadows" would not be pulled.

Statements formed as questions are rarely "making it personal."

"Are you a heretic" is not making it personal. "You are a heretic" is making it personal.

Forms of "making it personal" include mind reading, attributing motive, accusing another Freeper of telling a lie (because it attributes motive, the intent to deceive) - making the thread "about" individual Freeper(s), following a Freeper from thread to thread and badgering a Freeper over-and-again with the same question.

When in doubt, avoid the use of the pronoun "you" and Freeper's names - or put yourself in the other guy's shoes.

Despite all these efforts to eliminate ad hominems, there is nothing I can do to keep you from "taking it personally."

If you keep getting your feelings hurt because other posters ridicule or disapprove or hate what you hold dear, then you are too thin-skinned to be involved in “open” RF debate. You should IGNORE “open” RF threads altogether and instead post to RF threads labeled “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” or “ecumenical.”


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To: Elsie

LOL


201 posted on 06/23/2012 9:47:10 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: annalex

That would be “finessing the guidelines” and the post would be pulled.


202 posted on 06/23/2012 9:49:22 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: reaganaut

Thank you for your support.


203 posted on 06/23/2012 9:50:45 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
OK. How about:

A.

Freeper X: I am a Protestant.
Annalex: Protestants are heretics.

And, if that is still not allowed,

B.

Freeper X: I am a Protestant. What do you think of Protestants?
Annalex: Protestants are heretics.

I am not trying to tease you, -- these are scenarios that are hard to avoid.

Also, a perhaps wider question: at least for a Catholic, "heretic" is a technical term, a rough synonym for "non-catholic". It does not imply hatred at all and should not be listed alongside examples like "child molester" or "liar".

204 posted on 06/23/2012 10:37:35 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Notwithstanding; metmom
Your argument that doctrine does not matter is pure evil.

I never said doctrine does not matter. I can argue with you all day long about doctrine but what does that avail us? Read what metmom wrote. That is in the line of thinking I am talking about. How many denominations are you going to condemn because they don't conform to your interpretation? God knows what is inside of our hearts. Our salvation lies in the blood of Jesus Christ. His sacrifice makes our entry ticket into Heaven possible. That is foremost in doctrine. Agree or disagree?

205 posted on 06/23/2012 10:41:37 AM PDT by BipolarBob ("These aren't the droids you're looking for.")
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To: Elsie
THIS sentence probably gave him that impression: Those things don't really matter though.

Being 100% correct in doctrine doesn't really matter. One should be obedient in the light given them does though. Otherwise we're going down the road of works over faith where we tithe even of our herb garden but we pass by the injured person on the side of the road.

206 posted on 06/23/2012 10:54:31 AM PDT by BipolarBob ("These aren't the droids you're looking for.")
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To: annalex
I would not consider either of them "finessing the guideline" or "making it personal."

However, if Freeper X makes the thread "about" himself by constant complaining that he was called heretic indirectly, then Freeper X would be warned to stop making the thread "about" individual Freepers - in this case, "about" himself.

207 posted on 06/23/2012 11:07:32 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: annalex

Read

Shoebat and Richardson’s

GOD’S WAR ON TERROR.

They make an iron clad case that Islam’s founding, origins, doctrines, values are satanic to the core.

And Shoebat was reared a Palestinian terrorist born in Bethlehem. His research is exhaustive and emphatic.


208 posted on 06/23/2012 11:15:58 AM PDT by Quix (Time is short: INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: annalex

Perhaps I’ve put it too mildly.

They document that WORSHIPING SATAN IS AT THE FOUNDATIONAL CORE OF ISLAM.

Read

Shoebat and Richardson’s

GOD’S WAR ON TERROR.

They make an iron clad case that Islam’s founding, origins, doctrines, values are satanic to the core.

And Shoebat was reared a Palestinian terrorist born in Bethlehem. His research is exhaustive and emphatic.


209 posted on 06/23/2012 11:16:19 AM PDT by Quix (Time is short: INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Elsie
Wouldn't being homosexual kinda sorta get in the way of the genealogies which Mormons find so engrossing?

Full Disclosure: I came up with an idea a couple of years ago for a country song; for use by the GOP, as a tip of the hat to their "big tent" philosphy.

The chorus would begin with the lines

"I'm a gay black Mormon biker,
and I vote Republican"

With Romney as the nominee-apparent, and with the mass disillusionment with Teh One, (80% of blacks in one survey said they'd vote for him again, a far cry from the 95%+ approval the first time), I may just have to find a co-writer and flesh this song out...

Cheers!

210 posted on 06/23/2012 11:16:37 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Makes sense.

Thank you for your patience.


211 posted on 06/23/2012 11:16:56 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

You’re welcome.


212 posted on 06/23/2012 11:19:07 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: BipolarBob

>>God knows what is inside of our hearts. Our salvation lies in the blood of Jesus Christ. His sacrifice makes our entry ticket into Heaven possible. That is foremost in doctrine. Agree or disagree? <<

ABSOLUTELY.


213 posted on 06/23/2012 11:31:44 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: BipolarBob; Notwithstanding; metmom; greyfoxx39; Colofornian

How many denominations are you going to condemn because they don’t conform to your interpretation? God knows what is inside of our hearts. Our salvation lies in the blood of Jesus Christ. His sacrifice makes our entry ticket into Heaven possible. That is foremost in doctrine. Agree or disagree?

- - - - - -
I am going to disagree, BECAUSE I have seen Mormons use those same words and mean something else entirely, basically lie to make non Mormons think they are Christians.

Foremost is what we believe about the Nature of God and the person work and nature of Christ.

And I am one of those that only goes after pseudo Christian cults like Mormonism, JW, etc. I hate the Cath/Prot fights.


214 posted on 06/23/2012 12:03:42 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: BipolarBob

Just because there is a hierarchy of doctrinal truths does not mean that only the highest level doctrine is important and others are unimportant.

It is extremely reasonable to understand your comments to mean that in your view only the highest level doctrine is important and others are unimportant - unessential butter on the pancake, unessential gravy on the meat. But that view about doctrine is wrong.


215 posted on 06/23/2012 12:13:44 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: BipolarBob; metmom; reaganaut; colorcountry; SZonian; svcw; P-Marlowe; Colofornian; Godzilla; ...
Our salvation lies in the blood of Jesus Christ. His sacrifice makes our entry ticket into Heaven possible. That is foremost in doctrine.

What about the sects that are "works based"? Mormonism teaches that "exaltation" is ONLY reached through baptism and confirmation in the mormon church PLUS the "ticket into Heaven" is an actual paper or digital "ticket" allowing the ticket holder to enter a mormon temple and take part in certain rituals.

So, as a consequence millions of us are considered by the mormon church to be "heretics" because "our work" isn't done.

We are therefore sent to the back of the "celestial" bus while the "elites" enter Heaven and are allowed to associate with God.

So many Christians will enter a thread on mormonism and make the claim that you have just made in ignorance of the exclusivity of mormonism.

(Side note: There is even, in mormon doctrine, a ritual that guarantees the living mormon that their "calling and election" place in Heaven is assured...

Link to BYU website

216 posted on 06/23/2012 12:38:25 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: greyfoxx39
What about the sects that are "works based"?

Works have their place. Faith is what gets you there, works proves your faith. Paul wrote explicitly and plainly about the relationship between works and faith. One should strive for a sinless life ("I die daily"). That is works. But it doesn't save. Faith in Jesus alone saves. I abhor the beliefs of Mormons. I don't abhor Mormons though.

217 posted on 06/23/2012 12:44:13 PM PDT by BipolarBob ("These aren't the droids you're looking for.")
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To: Notwithstanding
It is extremely reasonable to understand your comments to mean that in your view only the highest level doctrine is important and others are unimportant - unessential butter on the pancake, unessential gravy on the meat. But that view about doctrine is wrong.

Says you. God determines the fate of a mans soul. According to you only those who are a 100% correct in all matters of doctrine will be saved. Which ultimately means we must belong to the correct church. Now I am sure you think you belong to this one and only supremely correct church and all others are going to hell but that goes against what I read in the Bible about Gods mercy.

218 posted on 06/23/2012 12:50:48 PM PDT by BipolarBob ("These aren't the droids you're looking for.")
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To: BipolarBob; greyfoxx39

I abhor the beliefs of Mormons. I don’t abhor Mormons though.

- - - - -
I abhor the fact that Mormons often lie or omit things about their beliefs to non-Members and potential converts in order to make people think they believe different things than they do. I abhor that I (and many others) joined the Mormon church under fraud and false pretenses. I left once I saw the truth and was told to lie to others to get them to convert.

I abhor that the leadership of the LDS church lies openly to its members.

And your description of the role of works isn’t the LDS view. Mormonism teaches that while all are ‘saved’ (resurrection only) by the ‘atonement’ (death of Christ), only Mormons are ‘saved’ (back to God, CK, and exaltation), by their own works and ‘grace’ (which is actually only a loan) is only ‘after all they can do’.


219 posted on 06/23/2012 12:59:07 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: BipolarBob

Now you are just making s___ up. Please cite the language wherein I even hinted that “only those who are a 100% correct in all matters of doctrine will be saved”. Your lie about me is certainly against the most basic Christian doctrine.

Well, if you believe that doctrine is not important, then lying must not seem that important.


220 posted on 06/23/2012 1:00:22 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: Notwithstanding
Please cite the language wherein I even hinted that “only those who are a 100% correct in all matters of doctrine will be saved”.

"Your argument that doctrine does not matter is of the devil."

Reading my posts in context, my statements were doctrine is secondary to ones faith and honesty in living up to what light one has. Not everyone has been as well versed in scripture as another. They may have been raised in a doctrinally-challenged church. Doctrine is not the most important to God otherwise Jesus would not have said "But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Understand that and you will understand me.

221 posted on 06/23/2012 1:14:06 PM PDT by BipolarBob ("These aren't the droids you're looking for.")
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To: Quix

I am sure anything you read is in capital letters, to the core and emphatic.

I stand by my earlier comment, and by dozens materials on Islam written by Muslims and available instantly.


222 posted on 06/23/2012 1:20:40 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: SouthTexas; Religion Moderator

Why the carnal language?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2898271/posts?page=223#223


225 posted on 06/23/2012 3:00:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

This thread has been moved to “News/Activism.” If it were still in the Religion Forum, posts 220 and 223 would be removed for language.


226 posted on 06/23/2012 3:05:44 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: BipolarBob; Notwithstanding

Reading my posts in context, my statements were doctrine is secondary to ones faith and honesty in living up to what light one has.

- - - - -
Non essential doctrines perhaps, but a false God and a false Christ cannot save.

Doctrine in the essentials is primary, because you can have faith in aliens and it won’t make you a Christian.


227 posted on 06/23/2012 3:09:56 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
(Mat 8:5-13 NIV) When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. {6} "Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering." {7} Jesus said to him, "I will go and heal him." {8} The centurion replied, "Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. {9} For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it." {10} When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great doctrine faith. {11} I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. {12} But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." {13} Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour.
228 posted on 06/23/2012 3:14:59 PM PDT by BipolarBob ("These aren't the droids you're looking for.")
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To: Notwithstanding

In post #228 did DOCTRINE save the servant or faith? Did Jesus ask what denomination the centurion was or his servant? Is God a Catholic, Mormon, LDS or a Methodist? Will Heaven be divided by doctrine and/or denominations?


229 posted on 06/23/2012 3:28:54 PM PDT by BipolarBob ("These aren't the droids you're looking for.")
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To: Quix

I’m sure that you could. So could I, but there is only one that I am currently irritated at.


230 posted on 06/23/2012 3:33:01 PM PDT by chesley (God's chosen instrument - the trumpet)
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To: doc1019; Religion Moderator; Jim Robinson

The RM is a masochist.

Part of the job description...”...must like pain and suffering to take on this volunteer position.”

JR is the one who indulges them.

Seriously though, you do as good a job as can be expected for a volunteer and from my chair, you are alright!

SZ


231 posted on 06/23/2012 3:52:49 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: netmilsmom; Religion Moderator

I disagree.

And it’s a fact, not an opinion, that due to information presented here on FR, I was compelled to abandon mormonism completely and become a Christian.

I was in the throes of returning to mormonism due to my family after going inactive for some years. The information presented on threads here was quite informative and revealing.

Besides, not all of us have had the benefit of growing up in homes that are spiritually strong, nor do we come from backgrounds that enable strong spirituality.

What works for one doesn’t always work for another. What comes “easy” to some, is a constant effort and work for others.


Otherwise, your post is just another in a long series of “backhanded” jabs at posters, through thinly veiled innuendo.

JMO


232 posted on 06/23/2012 4:02:10 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

>>Otherwise, your post is just another in a long series of “backhanded” jabs at posters, through thinly veiled innuendo.<<

None of it is “thinly veiled” but rather open and on display. None of it is a jab at “posters”. It is a direct evaluation of the mob mentality. Mobs are never helpful.


233 posted on 06/23/2012 5:56:42 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom; SZonian
Perhaps you should face your fears and deal with them instead of pontificating from the base of a false premise.

This obsession of clinical evaluation ie “mob mentality” is interesting.

Was this your dissertation for graduating from psychology class?

SZonian, good post and testimony.

Your statements were right on.

This thread has attracted some who have a very superficial understanding (if at all) of spiritual matters.

So they shoot down their straw men.

234 posted on 06/23/2012 6:56:53 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Syncro

*yawn*

Read “The Crucible” then we’ll talk.


235 posted on 06/23/2012 7:23:40 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom
Read the Bible, and then we'll talk.

Respond (if you wish) after a nap, you appear tired.

236 posted on 06/23/2012 7:28:35 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: netmilsmom
Read the Bible, and then we'll talk.

Respond (if you wish) after a nap, you appear tired.

237 posted on 06/23/2012 7:29:25 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Syncro

You appear blocked.
Have the last word. I won’t see it.

Oh how I love Killfile!


238 posted on 06/23/2012 7:30:48 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: SZonian

Thank you.


239 posted on 06/23/2012 7:34:53 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: netmilsmom

Oh yes you will.

You seem to have FR confused with other sites you like to peruse (anit-FR), they have the bozo filter.


240 posted on 06/23/2012 7:42:17 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Notwithstanding; BipolarBob

BipolarBob - ping to post 199 where you were being discussed without the courtesy of a courtesy ping.


241 posted on 06/23/2012 8:16:09 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: reaganaut; BipolarBob; Notwithstanding

BB’s comment was that it isn’t important to be 100% correct in one’s doctrine. He said that in posts 148 & 206.

You can be 100% correct in doctrine and theology and have a heart of stone and be disobedient to what God wants of you.

There ARE some basics that need to be correct. Teaching a Jesus who is not the one of the Bible, is one of them. Not any old Jesus can save, it MUST be the one of the Bible. And salvation is by faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross, but much of the doctrinal stuff is not as important as living the life God wants you to and loving God with your whole heart and mind and soul and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself.

There is a difference between saying that doctrine doesn’t matter and saying that being 100% correct on your doctrine doesn’t really matter.


242 posted on 06/23/2012 8:37:28 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Elsie

The difference between righteous anger and rabid anger.


243 posted on 06/23/2012 8:46:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: count-your-change
I don’t see anyone here in his mold.

So THAT's why we don't get along!

244 posted on 06/23/2012 9:22:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: BipolarBob
...but we pass by the injured person on the side of the road.

I hardly ever hear that the LAW almost REQUIRED some of those described to pass them by.

245 posted on 06/23/2012 9:25:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: netmilsmom
His sacrifice makes our entry ticket into Heaven possible.

Not if you're a MORMON and you MURDER someone.

Then only YOUR blood being shed will get you into heaven.

(That's why UTAH has a FIRING SQUAD for an execution of a murderer.)

246 posted on 06/23/2012 9:28:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SouthTexas
First time I’ve posted in a while and after reading much of this thread, don’t really see a reason to resume.

But you did.

247 posted on 06/23/2012 9:31:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Salvation

Go with GOD?


248 posted on 06/23/2012 9:32:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: netmilsmom
Read “The Crucible” then we’ll talk.

Bishop Fulton J. Sheen quotes:
 
 
"A Plea For Intolerance" (1931)
 
Tolerance is an attitude of reasoned patience toward evil ... a forbearance that restrains us from showing anger or inflicting punishment.
 Tolerance applies only to persons ... never to truth.
 
America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance — it is not.
It is suffering from tolerance.
Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos.
Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded.
 
 
 
Too many people get credit for being good, when they are only being passive.
They are too often praised for being broadminded when they are so broadminded they can never make up their minds about anything.
As quoted in Seven Words to the Cross (1979) by Ellsworth Kalas, page 93.
 
 
 

249 posted on 06/23/2012 9:37:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Salvation

But still; anger...


250 posted on 06/23/2012 9:38:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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