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3 reasons Microsoft's Surface is no joke
Fortune ^ | June 22, 2012 | Don Sears

Posted on 06/23/2012 7:18:05 AM PDT by SmokingJoe

Many have scoffed at the idea that Redmond's tablet will succeed. But there are three crucial reasons to take the effort seriously. By Don Sears

FORTUNE -- Do not underestimate Microsoft's Surface tablet move. Its gambit to design and build its own hardware is a bold play to develop a thriving ecosystem of new products. It is centered on Microsoft's dominant property: the operating system. Monday's flashy Surface launch may have felt like an Apple event with its bright, pastel-colored keyboard, slick introductory videos and breathless hyping from little-known engineers. But, in fact, Microsoft's play is anything but Apple-like. The company is clearly trying to make tablets into hybrid PC-mobile devices, something its California rival has said is a bad idea. We don't yet know all of Surface's details -- battery life, pricing, official release dates are all to-be-determined for instance. But here are three important reasons Microsoft's Surface is likely to be anything but dead on arrival:

Reason #1: Microsoft can build an ecosystem

Microsoft (MSFT) has had success in the consumer market with the Xbox and most recently with the Kinect motion-control devices. The Xbox has become a household name with major brand extensions as an entertainment device. Microsoft disrupted gaming, and it can disrupt hardware.

Microsoft has serious engineering chops. Josh Topolosky, Editor-in-Chief of The Verge and not exactly a fanboy, was blown away by a visit to Microsoft's R&D in 2011. He wrote of that visit: "[MS] showed me a project … which would allow you to create a virtual window from one room to another, utilizing a variety of display, motion sensing, and 3D technologies… dubbed … the 'magic wall.' It was nuts. It was awesome. It was ambitious. The whole time, all I could think was: where has Microsoft been hiding guys like this?"

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To: adorno

Glad to hear that.


51 posted on 06/23/2012 12:17:59 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: Gideon7

And I’ve seen nothing from MonkeySoft to indicate the clipboard isn’t still DDE, aka Windoze 2.0 RPC, either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Data_Exchange


52 posted on 06/23/2012 12:21:20 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: OldEarlGray

WS-MAN (WinRM) is emphatically not RPC (DCE) based. It is SOAP based. There is no IDL, no huge range of TCP ports to firewall, no 32-bit/64-bit argument translation, just XML. There is no ‘remote procedure call’ per se, but rather alerts (like SNMP traps) and info requests (like SNMP queries). WinRM is based on WMI, which is more closely related to SNMP (with its MIBs) than any RPC implementation like OSF DCE or Sun XDR/RPC.

WCF is just a .NET API for communication. It is orthognal to RPC and WS-MAN (it can access both).


53 posted on 06/23/2012 12:34:41 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Gideon7

They can call it whatever they want. Whether I’m consuming a WCF service from a Delphi SOAP client/WSDL, or via a proxy using a net.tcp binding, the functional end result is the same:

An interface to an remote object.

Quack, Waddle, RPduCk.

>>WCF is just a .NET API for communication.

No. It’s a robust framework for persisting a remote interface to, and serializing data between, remote objects via a variety of bindings.

IOW, whatever the M$hills are calling it — it’s just DCOM/OLE/DDE/RPC for the Internet.


54 posted on 06/23/2012 1:01:10 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: Gideon7
Microsoft deprecated RPC (DCE) in Windows 8

Hopefully they'll have better luck getting away from that than they did with WINS.

55 posted on 06/23/2012 8:49:01 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma; adorno; OldEarlGray; Gideon7; Proud2BeRight; Moltke; SmokingJoe; varmintman; Nifster; ...
Woot!™'s take on the Surface...
56 posted on 06/23/2012 9:12:29 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: null and void
Woot!™'s take on the Surface...

Now, that's funny! They are probably right. After all, Microsoft did make an mp3 player for them (zune).

57 posted on 06/23/2012 9:32:18 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: OldEarlGray
IOW, whatever the M$hills are calling it — it’s just DCOM/OLE/DDE/RPC for the Internet.

I haven't had a chance to look into this specific case, but knowing the history it could either be a completely rewritten communications subsystem, or a WCF call is just a wrapper over the same old DCOM routines. OTOH, from what I've heard the whole TCP/IP stack has been rewritten, so hopefully these got the same treatment.

58 posted on 06/23/2012 9:37:17 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: null and void
That was actually, pretty stupid.

Don't you have anything better to do with your life?

Try serious websites for a change, and not the jokers and not the detractors, and not those whose lives depend upon seeing others fail.

Most likely, you're an Apple or Google fanatic, and you're running scared about what Microsoft has done to their mobile offerings with the announcement of the Surface tablets.

3 reasons Microsoft's Surface is no joke
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/22/surface-2/

Microsoft Surface Could Totally Change the Tablet and PC Markets
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/258042/microsoft_surface_could_totally_change_the_tablet_and_pc_markets.html

Microsoft Surface Tablet Has Potential to be Embraced by Physicians
http://www.medpagetoday.com/IltifatHusain/33365

With Surface Tablet, Microsoft Stands Alone
http://mashable.com/2012/06/19/surface-tablet-microsoft-alone/

Microsoft Surface: first serious iPad competitor?
http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-verse/2012/0619/Microsoft-Surface-first-serious-iPad-competitor

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Basically, the Microsoft competition and Microsoft detractors, are running scared about how disruptive the Surface will be to the tablet market, and Apple executives everywhere, won't be sleeping too comfortably for the next few years. And, you, well, it seems that, you're already having convulsions since the Surface was announced. Take a chill pill, and remember, it's just technology in the form of a tablet, and, you'll likely survive this Microsoft shock to your system. ;)
59 posted on 06/24/2012 6:21:11 AM PDT by adorno
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To: zeugma
Now, that's funny! They are probably right. After all, Microsoft did make an mp3 player for them (zune).

Actually, according to most technology experts, the Zune was/is, technologically, a vastly superior MP3 player to the iPod. It failed in the marketing, with Microsoft and it's marketing arms not doing an adequate job. But, I'll admit, marketing is part of the overall drive to get products to be accepted, and, Apple has been good at that, even if the iPads and iPhones aren't really superior or extraordinary technology.
60 posted on 06/24/2012 6:27:21 AM PDT by adorno
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To: Bobalu
MS has always needed someone with the vision of a Steve Jobs at the helm

A dictatorial micro-manager at the helm?

If they could find such a one then even at this late date they could move in a new and exciting direction”

Microsoft Research has come out with some of the greatest tech innovations in the past 20 years:

Microsoft Research celebrates 20 years of crazy innovation
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/28/microsoft-research-celebrates-20-years-of-crazy-innovation/

I’d start by creating a new tablet design that ran a custom version of MS Linux”

Most idiotic idea I ever heard of. Windows 7 smokes Linux in every way, and Windows 8 is even better than Windows 7, and was furthermore designed from the ground up for tablets, so why would Microsoft ditch all that and go for some version of Linux? There are plenty of Linux based tablets around. Don't see any of them doing that great in sales.

61 posted on 06/24/2012 6:39:26 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Jerry Attrick
Been reading the Microsoft haters on here. Same with all the articles in the other stories I read about the Surface and even Windows phone 8. I'm puzzled by the emotion people are attaching to their devices. If you don't like something, don't use it. But to declare and even wish/hope/fight for the failure of a product or company is just plain stupid

Applebots have always been that way..for as long as i can remember. The # 1 reason, I have never bought, and will never buy any Apple product is because of the sheer nastiness and evil mindedness of the fanatic Appplebots.

62 posted on 06/24/2012 6:47:35 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: antiRepublicrat
Microsoft can't necessarily build an ecosystem. Remember PlaysForSure for music? Yeah, those people got reamed when Microsoft dumped it. And not many besides Zune owners have heard of its incompatible successor, the Zune Marketplace.

I remember all that. But then I also remember XBOX Live, the best video game online system on the planet, which has been hugely successful, and not just for gaming either(at which it excels), but for all kinds of content delivery.

63 posted on 06/24/2012 7:01:16 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Boogieman
Apple fans love to feel superior; it’s just part of the Apple culture that Jobs encouraged. They get off on looking down on other people who don’t join their cool kids club.

Case in point:
iPhone Users Disgusted That Instagram Is Now On Android

http://www.androidpit.com/instagram-for-android-404116

Just read some of the utterly disgusting Twitter comments from our esteemed iPhone friends, just because Instagram dared to release their app(which had been an iOS exclusive before), on Android. Pathetic!

64 posted on 06/24/2012 7:15:59 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: adorno
Don't you have anything better to do with your life?

Not really. You jump higher with smaller pokes than anyone else I've met.

Most likely, you're an Apple or Google fanatic

I refuse to use or even capitalize google. I Have an iMac and an iPhone, not sure how much of a fanatic that makes me.

Now that enough service packs have come out I run Win XP on my iMac, not sure what exactly that makes me in your tiny world.

Microsoft competition and Microsoft detractors, are running scared about how disruptive the Surface will be to the tablet market

Yeah, sure.

Keep thinking that if it makes you feel better.

I have no dog in the fight, and I could care less about who wins in the hardware/software wars, since, to me, they're all just tools to get the job done. I just don't go around, like a little boy, trying defend indefensible things that don't really matter.

65 posted on 06/24/2012 7:46:50 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1250 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: adorno
Actually, according to most technology experts, the Zune was/is, technologically, a vastly superior MP3 player to the iPod. It failed

Just like BetaMax and 8-Track...

66 posted on 06/24/2012 8:06:16 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1251 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: SmokingJoe
"That's not a fair comparison, people like the Apple."
67 posted on 06/24/2012 8:12:23 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1251 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: SmokingJoe
But then I also remember XBOX

Yeah. My son was a beta tester.

Well, technically a paying beta tester as we bought one of the early ones.

Ever hear of red rings of death?

Unfortunately MS has a well earned and frequently reenforced reputation for releasing products that aren't quire ready for prime time.

Having been burned enough times I would NEVER buy any MicroSoft product until the second service pack. After the paying early adopters have done all the testing MS should have done before releasing the product and the designed in flaws have been fixed or worked around, sure. I'll buy, use and be happy with them.

68 posted on 06/24/2012 8:24:54 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1251 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: null and void
Yeah. My son was a beta tester.
Well, technically a paying beta tester as we bought one of the early ones.
Ever hear of red rings of death?

Chuckle!
The first(original) XBOX, which came out in 2011, was a very sturdy, pretty powerful(for it's time) video game console, and had no red rings of death. Plus it outsold the Nintendo Gamecube, which was released at around the same time, despite Nintendo having been in the video game console business for decades before Microsoft ever entered the fray.
Plus XBOX Live, which first started with the original XBOX is still unmatched as far as video game consoles go.

Unfortunately MS has a well earned and frequently reenforced reputation for releasing products that aren't quire ready for prime time”

Microsoft has been one of the top computer mouse makers on the planet for decades, with no problem. In fact some of the best innovations in computer mouse technology have come from Microsoft.

Having been burned enough times I would NEVER buy any MicroSoft product until the second service pack. After the paying early adopters have done all the testing MS should have done before releasing the product and the designed in flaws have been fixed or worked around, sure”

Bought a Windows 7 laptop at launch of Windows 7. Had no prtobles with the OS at all. Worked beautifully from the get-go.

69 posted on 06/24/2012 8:56:50 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

I’m happy for you.

Still, I think I’ll wait before buying any new MS product.


70 posted on 06/24/2012 9:00:59 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1251 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: null and void
Just like BetaMax and 8-Track...

That's proof positive that, you refuse to look at the real world, and instead, you have tunnel vision, and you can't see anything beyond your narrow scope of thought.

8-Track was popular for a bunch of years, just like the iPhones and iPads have been popular for a few years, and, just like the example you picked, they will have been popular for a few years, having been replaced by something superior, like the Windows 8 gadgets, namely WP8 cellphones and Surface tablets. But, like anything else in technology, even those will be popular for a few years, to be replaced by the next "big thing". But, you haven't been paying attention, apparently, to notice how that's the way of technology. Try to keep up.
71 posted on 06/24/2012 10:00:37 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

Promise me you’ll check back with me in, say, three years on this?


72 posted on 06/24/2012 10:04:49 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1251 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: null and void
Not really. You jump higher with smaller pokes than anyone else I've met.

You remind me of a poster on ZDNet, who, when he has already lost the argument a long time ago, insists on prolonging his agony by becoming childish with his comments and behavior.

Fact is that, you're arguing about technology and about preferences, and you're even arguing against a product which hasn't even been touched by you or anyone else outside of Microsoft's engineers. That's a pathetic course of argument, especially when, you're exhibitni fanatical behavior. Are you the same way with political topics, preferring to focus on the hypothetical and not on real matters of importance?

Two things:

Grow up! And then, get a life!
73 posted on 06/24/2012 10:10:10 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

... but it’s not a new thing, it’s old things shoehorned into someone else’s new thing for market diiferentiation.

It’s a netbook with a touchscreen, apparently, but that is yet to be seen in the wild. Of what utility is the redundancy in comparison to a netbook, ultrabook or Macbook Air? Particularly with the likely price premium.

Microsoft fans could just purchase a cheap Asus along with an Android tablet and come out ahead monetarily, without a garbled, bowdlerized half measure untried device.


74 posted on 06/24/2012 10:10:28 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: null and void
Promise me you’ll check back with me in, say, three years on this?

Why 3 years?

It won't take more than 2 years to surpass the iPad in popularity, and it might be just a matter of a few months.

Let's wait 6 months from the launch of the Surface, and then see, because, by then, we'll know the general direction of the Surface, and the downhill slide of the iPad sales. ;)
75 posted on 06/24/2012 10:18:56 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
you're even arguing against a product which hasn't even been touched by you or anyone else outside of Microsoft's engineers.

Precisely.

A product announcement with no actual product.

I've done that working for start-ups.

Show me the hardware, we're full up on hype.

76 posted on 06/24/2012 10:37:03 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1251 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: adorno

I’m a reasonable man.

Tell you what, let’s check in in 6 months, 2 years and 3 years.


77 posted on 06/24/2012 10:39:09 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1251 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: RegulatorCountry
... but it’s not a new thing, it’s old things shoehorned into someone else’s new thing for market diiferentiation.

You must be new to this technological age.

Look, a device that becomes popular, no matter what the technology inside, is one that, if successful, everybody else is going to emulate and enter the market to compete. The fact is that, what Apple or Google have created, have also been done in the past, with smartphones and tablets. It's just that, making the technology "look" different and cool, is what sells, and so, the Apple and Google gadgets don't really create a new paradigm in technology, but, they do create a form of fanaticism which makes people think that, it's different and cool, and they must have it.

Besides, what's wrong with taking a mouse-trap, and improving upon it, to the point that, people might decide that, the newer mouse trap is "what they've been needing and wanting" all along?

It’s a netbook with a touchscreen, apparently, but that is yet to be seen in the wild. Of what utility is the redundancy in comparison to a netbook, ultrabook or Macbook Air? Particularly with the likely price premium.

Go a little further in your dismissive-ness, and call "just computers" with different looks. That is what they are, after all. But, it's like when you purchase a car. You can buy a car for the basic purposes of transportation, and call it quits. Or, you buy a car that offers other comforts and will last longer and looks better, and performs better, with a few more functions on the side. That is what the Surface is offering to do with the tablet market; give you more of the same, but with a lot more functionality and additional tools to make them productive and attractive. What is wrong with that?

Me, personally, I'll be waiting a bit longer to get my hands on an ultrabook with at least a terabyte of storage, and super-duper processor capabilities, at least 8 gigabytes of main memory, and the features that scream "productivity", with a nice super-high-definition screen. I'll be looking for the Intel-based Surface, to use while on-the-road, because, it's a lot more than "just a tablet" meant for media consumption and for checking e-mail and for Facebook use. Oh, and they better have at least 8 hrs of battery life, and not bite too much into my budget; so around $800 is what I'll be willing to put out, which means that, I'll have to wait a bit for the Surface tablets to come down in price.

Microsoft fans could just purchase a cheap Asus along with an Android tablet and come out ahead monetarily, without a garbled, bowdlerized half measure untried device.

Yet, those wouldn't be the same, would they?

The Asus tablets are not optimized for touch, and they're still not using Windows 8, which is the OS for tablets. They're nice equipment, and nice as tablets, but, it's they're not good for replacing iPads or even the Android-based tablets. That's what Surfaces are intended to replace.

BTW, I wouldn't mind having iPads or Android tablets that could be used for productivity as the Surfaces devices will do. They're actually nice tablets, but, they're lacking a lot. Perhaps in another future update, they'll gain that kind of function.

BTW, I look at Android tablets as dead-end equipment, and they will go the same way as the Linux netbooks of a few years ago, which got destroyed once Microsoft put Windows XP in them.

BTW, I agree with you on one simple statement: the Surfaces are "untried devices". But, like anything that is new, they are all untried, and if anyone is going to base their purchasing decisions on only buying "the tried devices", then, technology would never move forward, and nothing new would ever get invented and would never see the light of day.
78 posted on 06/24/2012 10:49:45 AM PDT by adorno
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To: RegulatorCountry
... but it’s not a new thing, it’s old things shoehorned into someone else’s new thing for market diiferentiation.

You must be new to this technological age.

Look, a device that becomes popular, no matter what the technology inside, is one that, if successful, everybody else is going to emulate and enter the market to compete. The fact is that, what Apple or Google have created, have also been done in the past, with smartphones and tablets. It's just that, making the technology "look" different and cool, is what sells, and so, the Apple and Google gadgets don't really create a new paradigm in technology, but, they do create a form of fanaticism which makes people think that, it's different and cool, and they must have it.

Besides, what's wrong with taking a mouse-trap, and improving upon it, to the point that, people might decide that, the newer mouse trap is "what they've been needing and wanting" all along?

It’s a netbook with a touchscreen, apparently, but that is yet to be seen in the wild. Of what utility is the redundancy in comparison to a netbook, ultrabook or Macbook Air? Particularly with the likely price premium.

Go a little further in your dismissive-ness, and call "just computers" with different looks. That is what they are, after all. But, it's like when you purchase a car. You can buy a car for the basic purposes of transportation, and call it quits. Or, you buy a car that offers other comforts and will last longer and looks better, and performs better, with a few more functions on the side. That is what the Surface is offering to do with the tablet market; give you more of the same, but with a lot more functionality and additional tools to make them productive and attractive. What is wrong with that?

Me, personally, I'll be waiting a bit longer to get my hands on an ultrabook with at least a terabyte of storage, and super-duper processor capabilities, at least 8 gigabytes of main memory, and the features that scream "productivity", with a nice super-high-definition screen. I'll be looking for the Intel-based Surface, to use while on-the-road, because, it's a lot more than "just a tablet" meant for media consumption and for checking e-mail and for Facebook use. Oh, and they better have at least 8 hrs of battery life, and not bite too much into my budget; so around $800 is what I'll be willing to put out, which means that, I'll have to wait a bit for the Surface tablets to come down in price.

Microsoft fans could just purchase a cheap Asus along with an Android tablet and come out ahead monetarily, without a garbled, bowdlerized half measure untried device.

Yet, those wouldn't be the same, would they?

The Asus tablets are not optimized for touch, and they're still not using Windows 8, which is the OS for tablets. They're nice equipment, and nice as tablets, but, it's they're not good for replacing iPads or even the Android-based tablets. That's what Surfaces are intended to replace.

BTW, I wouldn't mind having iPads or Android tablets that could be used for productivity as the Surfaces devices will do. They're actually nice tablets, but, they're lacking a lot. Perhaps in another future update, they'll gain that kind of function.

BTW, I look at Android tablets as dead-end equipment, and they will go the same way as the Linux netbooks of a few years ago, which got destroyed once Microsoft put Windows XP in them.

BTW, I agree with you on one simple statement: the Surfaces are "untried devices". But, like anything that is new, they are all untried, and if anyone is going to base their purchasing decisions on only buying "the tried devices", then, technology would never move forward, and nothing new would ever get invented and would never see the light of day.
79 posted on 06/24/2012 10:51:14 AM PDT by adorno
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To: OldEarlGray
Microsoft has always been better at destroying their competition than they were at innovating anything.

That's pretty harsh. Why did you even go to TechEd if you feel they're that bad?

80 posted on 06/24/2012 10:51:49 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Because their technology is what we’re stuck with.

>>That’s pretty harsh.

Tell the class about who Anders Hejlsberg is and then quack about “harsh”.


81 posted on 06/24/2012 11:20:47 AM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Ecosystem: the symbiotic relationships between hardware platform, operating system, applications, networking, software delivery, device drivers, etc. If any of those is inadequate, all other related products suffer. Jump starting the whole interconnected set of dependent products is what makes or breaks a broad new technology. Apple pulled it off with iOS, M$ with Xbox; many have likewise tried but failed.


82 posted on 06/24/2012 11:25:27 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: OldEarlGray
Because their technology is what we’re stuck with.

Oh. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!

83 posted on 06/24/2012 12:56:58 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: SmokingJoe
Microsoft (MSFT) has had success in the consumer market with the Xbox and most recently with the Kinect motion-control devices

But, MS also has a long string of failed initiatives. They always seem to come out with things designed to compete (rather late in the game) with some other products, but then only give them half their attention, leaving the users stranded. Only time will tell how this one pans out.

84 posted on 06/24/2012 1:06:52 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Alas Babylon!

Yawn.

Tell the class who Anders Hejlsberg is and then quack about conspiracy.


85 posted on 06/24/2012 1:07:44 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: antiRepublicrat

[OTOH, from what I’ve heard the whole TCP/IP stack has been rewritten, so hopefully these got the same treatment.]

A rewritten duck is still a duck.


86 posted on 06/24/2012 1:17:59 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: SmokingJoe

[the best video game online system on the planet, which has been hugely successful,]

Only if you consider manufacturing a generation of Useful Idiot consumer game players to be “successful”.

The same generation who voted Hope Change and Comrade Chairman Odumbo into the White Hut.

Ask the consumers what the purpose for governance is that’s specified in the American Declaration of Independence.

The Ameriquest Generation doesn’t have a clue - but they sure like to worship their toys.


87 posted on 06/24/2012 1:38:17 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: null and void
A product announcement with no actual product.

In real life, meaning, not in your world of fantasy, products and projects, are often announced before they are released for use or purchase. In fact, in my data processing career, companies that I worked for, often developed products and services, which were often, many months before they went into production, while having beta or demo products/services for user interaction and critiques.

Imagine in your world, where a company announces a product or service, and it immediately goes to sales, and things go horribly wrong with the user experience. What then? What would you do? Chances are that, all the people's money would have to be refunded for all of the faulty products and services, and, your company will end up with a very damaged reputation, if not out of business. There is also the trial balloon, where a company announces a product to gauge the potential users' reaction. If a product is very negatively received, then, a company will have time to either pull back the whole thing, or to go back to the drawing board for modifications.

But, knowing that, this is Free Republic, I never thought that I'd have to explain things that should be common sense, to somebody that, actually visits and posts in this forum. Perhaps you're still growing up, or are too juvenile to think about actions and reactions and repercussions? I call people with that kind of trait, "liberals". ;)
88 posted on 06/24/2012 5:56:30 PM PDT by adorno
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To: OldEarlGray

Such desperation!

Why equate people who use a game system, with the people who voted for Obama? What is the interrelationship? When you don’t really have a good argument, why reach for a desperate and incoherent argument?


89 posted on 06/24/2012 5:59:51 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

You’d do well to study the story of the fall of Osborne Computer and how their “trial balloon”, as you call it, or an early announcement of a product that didn’t yet exist, in other words vaporware, contributed to the fall of the company. (I fully anticipate your response of “that’s different”. That’s what “liberals” do.)


90 posted on 06/24/2012 6:03:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Revolting cat!
You’d do well to study the story of the fall of Osborne Computer and how their “trial balloon”, as you call it, or an early announcement of a product that didn’t yet exist, in other words vaporware, contributed to the fall of the company.

I'm quite aware of the Osborne fall, and what brought it about.

But, one thing that you are conveniently forgetting to notice, is that, what Osborne did, is not the same situation with what Microsoft has done. The Surface is a real product, even if it's not available to the general public yet, or to businesses. It wasn't just an announcement. There are millions of people, right now, using Windows 8, including myself, which is the major component of the Surface tablets. The hardware is probably the easier part for the whole ecosystem. So, your historical example, doesn't jive with the current announcement. It's real, even if you can't bring yourself to accept it.
91 posted on 06/24/2012 7:04:49 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

The Osborne announcement concerned a real product too, as I recall.

What I disagree with you on, referring to your previous post, is that the Microsoft announcement was a matter of fact trial balloon, a common occurrence in business, as you stated. Unless you are connected with Microsoft and have inside knowledge, then you know as much as the rest of us do, and can only speculate, OK?

I think the trial balloon period in the case of Surface has passed, and that Microsoft, having conducted focus groups has developed this product in response to its research, and now is attempting to corner the market, that is to say, by announcing a tablet that is “revolutionary” because it includes, GASP! a keyboard and runs Windows, they are encouraging consumers to delay their purchase decisions and wait for the real thing.

I don’t condemn them for it, or argue that the iPad or the Samsung product is better, I have no loyalties to toys of any kind.


92 posted on 06/24/2012 7:14:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: adorno

[Why equate people who use a game system, with the people who voted for Obama?]

Oh it’s not just a game system, but a generation that games the system and worships the toys it uses to do so instead of worshiping its Creator.

Just as described in Romans 1:20+


93 posted on 06/24/2012 7:33:58 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: SmokingJoe

bump for later...


94 posted on 06/24/2012 7:48:45 PM PDT by citizen (Obomo blames:Arab Spring,Banks,Big Oil,Bush,Ceos,Coal,Euro Zone,FNC,Jpn Tsunami,T Party,Wall St,You)
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To: OldEarlGray

Oh, it is a game system alright. That’s all it is, and it’s not a religious item, nor an evil item, nor a political item. It’s not from any one religion, nor from any one political persuasion. It’s not republican, nor democrat, nor independent, nor communist, nor socialist. And, it’s not a device that can be used to lure people to vote for any one politician or party.

It’s a game system! For crying out loud!

Why go into wackiness in order to try to make a point?


95 posted on 06/24/2012 8:01:53 PM PDT by adorno
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To: OldEarlGray

Oh, it is a game system alright. That’s all it is, and it’s not a religious item, nor an evil item, nor a political item. It’s not from any one religion, nor from any one political persuasion. It’s not republican, nor democrat, nor independent, nor communist, nor socialist. And, it’s not a device that can be used to lure people to vote for any one politician or party.

It’s a game system! For crying out loud!

Why go into wackiness in order to try to make a point?


96 posted on 06/24/2012 8:05:39 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

[It’s a game system! For crying out loud!]

What is the 1st commandment?


97 posted on 06/24/2012 8:05:46 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: adorno

>>That’s all it is, and it’s not a religious item,

An item can be an object of worship without having an overtly religious nature.

Romans 1:20++


98 posted on 06/24/2012 8:10:38 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: Revolting cat!

But, you’re still in denial about what the Surface is or will be. It’s a tablet, but, not like the others in the market right now. It’s two different tablets; one Intel-based, and one ARM-based, but both running a version of Windows 8 that performs to specifications that match the different hardware inside. It’s about ONE OS to join the different form-factors, including desktops and laptops and ultrabooks and tablets and smartphones. Android doesn’t do that, and iOS doesn’t do that.

You can be dismissive about the keyboard, but, it’s not just another keyboard and it’s not an afterthought, like with the iPad, where if you want a keyboard, you either settle for the on-screen keyboard, or you have to purchase a keyboard as an attachment. Plus, there is the USB port, for attaching other equipment, such as hard drives or bigger screens or even a regular-sized keyboard; whatever can be attached on the USB port, can be used on the Surface(s).

The biggest draw, to me and to a lot of other people, is the OS, or Windows 8, which, even in “beta” mode, is superior to iOS or Android. And, it’s backwards compatible with the millions of software that was written for the prior versions of Windows. That makes for a huge and immediate range of software which neither Apple nor Google can match. The only thing I can see that, for now, the iPad has as an “advantage”, is the retina display. But, that part is actually overkill and unnecessary.

But, the MS tablets aren’t in the marketplace yet, but, being Microsoft, you can’t count them out, especially with the clout and budgets and research and work they’ve put into creating this new and updated marketplace.


99 posted on 06/24/2012 8:19:08 PM PDT by adorno
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To: OldEarlGray
An item can be an object of worship without having an overtly religious nature.

Yeah, but, wacky people can be easily dismissed. Unless, of course, you want to believe like they do.
100 posted on 06/24/2012 8:23:19 PM PDT by adorno
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