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I Think They've Upheld Obamacare
My Fertile Mind ^ | 25 June 2012 | Fightin Kentuckian

Posted on 06/25/2012 6:23:37 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian

I think the Justices have telegraphed the results. Here's why.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: care; health; obamacare
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1. Ginsberg's comment the other day about people who know aren't talking and people who talk don't know. She had a huge grin seemed pretty upbeat. Too upbeat to hide her feelings in fact. She's not a good poker player.

2. Scalia did something rare and unusual today. He read his dissent on the AZ law. I believe he did this not so much because he was not pleased with the outcome of the AZ law but more so because he needed to vent some steam because he knows that obamacare was upheld. He's not a good poker player.

3. Today, All justices voted to uphold the part of SB1070 that ALL LIBERALS HATED. No one expected a unanimous decision on this part of the law. NO ONE! It doesn't make sense...unless you put it with the other pieces. I believe the very liberal justices voted for this for two reasons a. It will give them some cover and a leg to stand on when they claim to be fair and balanced and that they can claim to give each and every decision equal consideration. b. This was a bone to throw the conservatives off the trail because they were fully aware that 1070 would be immediately negated by obamas order to DHS to ignore the law. A win win. We get to say we got what we wanted but they actually got what they wanted. Besides, how did obama know to have the order ready within minutes.

4. The arguments. We will all agree that the arguments phase of SB1070 and obamacare went very well. Even the liberal justices tore into the govt arguements in a way with made every conservative high five. I now believe that was a red herring and we are being set up for a BIG FALL.

I think there is a mole on the court that has been coordinating with the administration. I believe that obamas "secret" behavior about expecting the mandate to get overturned is a red herring. And as we all know, obama is a terrible poker player, quote "Don't call my bluff"

I hope I'm wrong but I think we're being played like a fiddle.

Can anyone convince me otherwise.

1 posted on 06/25/2012 6:23:40 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: fightin kentuckian

I fear you may be right.


2 posted on 06/25/2012 6:26:49 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: fightin kentuckian

There were four items ruled on with immigration, dems got 3 of 4. Softens the blow coming this week to knock down the individual mandate. Whether they kill the entire thing is another deal.


3 posted on 06/25/2012 6:28:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: fightin kentuckian

The SC has rarely, if ever , denied power to DC.


4 posted on 06/25/2012 6:28:24 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: fightin kentuckian

They might as well uphold it. Today the King issued a big “f**k you” to the SCOTUS for upholding just part of AZ,s immigration law. He will do the same if they vote against obamacare.


5 posted on 06/25/2012 6:28:32 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: fightin kentuckian
Soon enough, you will know.

If you wear yourself out in your head with it, you are giving the left space rent-free.

Take a deep breath and wait. You could also mow my yard and weed the garden.

/johnny

6 posted on 06/25/2012 6:28:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: fightin kentuckian
God help us all...

I think you're right.

7 posted on 06/25/2012 6:29:04 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: fightin kentuckian

All of it? I think that at the least, the individual mandate will be struck down.


8 posted on 06/25/2012 6:29:17 PM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: fightin kentuckian

A roly poly mole, that’s for sure!


9 posted on 06/25/2012 6:29:42 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: fightin kentuckian

A roly poly mole, that’s for sure!


10 posted on 06/25/2012 6:29:55 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: fightin kentuckian
If they do uphold it then all the next president Romney has to do is issue a 50 state waiver like he promised and then congress can repeal it by withholding funds if necessary.
11 posted on 06/25/2012 6:31:29 PM PDT by tobyhill (Conservatives are proud of themselves, Liberals lie about themselves)
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To: gorush

I doubt that you are right, but agree there is a mole who has leaked. Common sense says it is unconstitutional and today’s crap ruling was to “balance” the shoving of 2900 pages up soetoro’s rear.


12 posted on 06/25/2012 6:31:31 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: fightin kentuckian
Well, if it is upheld, the precedent is set to allow the government to force you to buy whatever they think they should.

I am not believing that one moment.

13 posted on 06/25/2012 6:31:42 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: fightin kentuckian

Thank you, Captain Bringdown.


14 posted on 06/25/2012 6:31:42 PM PDT by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: fightin kentuckian

The doom and gloomers have taken over this site.


15 posted on 06/25/2012 6:32:52 PM PDT by Keeper of the Turf (Fore!!!)
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To: fightin kentuckian
I'm praying fervently that the Supreme Court decision will be the correct one. In short, while you make some compelling points, my wish is that you'll be wrong. The Constitution clearly prohibits Obamacare. There's no question about that. If the justices adhere to the Constitution, they must rule against this encroachment on our liberties. May God Bless America!
The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. -- James 5:16

16 posted on 06/25/2012 6:33:05 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: fightin kentuckian
Intrade disagrees:

(I personally have no idea at all. Flip a coin. It could go either way.)

17 posted on 06/25/2012 6:35:51 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: fightin kentuckian
Can anyone convince me otherwise.

Why bother? We will know in 60 hours, give or take a couple of minutes.

18 posted on 06/25/2012 6:35:55 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: fightin kentuckian

“Ginsberg’s comment the other day about people who know aren’t talking and people who talk don’t know. She had a huge grin seemed pretty upbeat. Too upbeat to hide her feelings in fact. She’s not a good poker player.”

I also heard that Justice Kennedy is wearing the same underwear all week. From what I hear that usually means he votes to uphold. We’re doomed!


19 posted on 06/25/2012 6:35:58 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: fightin kentuckian

Judges all the way from small claims court to the Supreme Court have an instinctive desire to split the baby. We saw that today with the AZ decision. I think we’ll see the mandate being tossed, but not the entire law. Then, of course, the question becomes whether the law can stand as a practical matter without the mandate. They will leave it up to Congress to sort that out.


20 posted on 06/25/2012 6:36:00 PM PDT by KevinB (We'll stop treating Obama like a dog when he stops treating us like a fire hydrant - Fred Grandy)
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To: fightin kentuckian

No, this court will be the one that finally finds something important the commerce clause doesn’t allow the feds to do!

What a waste of paper the rest of the Constitution has become: the commerce clause and the 14th Amendment uber alles...


21 posted on 06/25/2012 6:36:31 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: fightin kentuckian

22 posted on 06/25/2012 6:37:12 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You’re right but I can’t stop thinking about it. I was driving home from work thinking about all those parts that didn’t make sense then it hit me like a ton of bricks.

It’s the only way the pieces fit together for me. I think the entire obamacare is going to be upheld and it’s killing me. The pieces don’t fit together any other way that what I described.


23 posted on 06/25/2012 6:37:47 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: fightin kentuckian

I'll see your drivel and raise you........

24 posted on 06/25/2012 6:37:47 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: gorush

Ditto. Although I expect another very sharply worded dissent from Scalia.


25 posted on 06/25/2012 6:38:37 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Sooth2222

that market is only betting on the mandate being overturned not the entire law.

The mandate could very well be over turned and the rest of the law left intact.


26 posted on 06/25/2012 6:38:54 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: ScottfromNJ
I also heard that Justice Kennedy is wearing the same underwear all week.

Well, I guess it all Depends........

27 posted on 06/25/2012 6:39:02 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: fightin kentuckian

Intrade disagrees with you.


28 posted on 06/25/2012 6:39:36 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Copenhagen Smile

Darn-I think you’re right, also. Logical reasoning. it doesn’t count that it is unconstitutional anymore.


29 posted on 06/25/2012 6:40:28 PM PDT by Cordio
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To: fightin kentuckian
I'd like to convince you otherwise but I can't. This month has been THE WORST MONTH FOR AMERICA IN ALL IT'S HISTORY.

- Egypt falls to Muslim Brotherhood control
- Obama shamelessly invokes 'executive privilege' to hide 'Fast & Furious' docs AND CONGRESS LOOKS THE OTHER WAY.
- SCOTUS allows continued illegal alien invasion
- Obama unilaterally changes Federal Immigration law (impeachable offense) to benefit illegal alien invaders AND CONGRESS LOOKS THE OTHER WAY; Jobs, anyone?
- Pentagon sponsors parades for gay soldiers

Will the Supreme Court allow the government's THEFT of 1/6 of our private sector health care industry to allow for the IRS to preside over YOUR health care? Probably. Will they force you to pay for it and fine you if you don't? Perhaps not, but in light of all that's happened this month, it would be insignificant relative to the evil that has been waged upon America and our 'barely intact' Constitution.

30 posted on 06/25/2012 6:40:33 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Copenhagen Smile

Darn-I think you’re right, also. Logical reasoning. it doesn’t count that it is unconstitutional anymore.


31 posted on 06/25/2012 6:40:33 PM PDT by Cordio
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To: fightin kentuckian

You could be correct on this. It’s my understanding that Roberts will probably be reading the decision, basically because it’s his turn and having a Conservative Justice read the decision will blunt conservative criticism.


32 posted on 06/25/2012 6:41:02 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: fightin kentuckian
I don't know about reading facial expressions and such, but the weak and divided decision on Arizona does not inspire confidence that they will stand up for anything, anymore.
33 posted on 06/25/2012 6:41:13 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: chessplayer

You are correct. Even if 0bamascare is stuck down, Hussein will implement it piece by piece through regulations. After all, he fancies himself as Emperor Hussein I of Amerika, after decreeing that he would only enforce those laws he liked, and having congress barely react.


34 posted on 06/25/2012 6:41:12 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (An Appeal to Heaven)
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To: Copenhagen Smile

If it is upheld, it should motivate the hell out of everyone who opposed it to get Obama out office so it can be repealed. Everyone considers a ruling against to be great for us, but it removes one huge motivator for November. Romney could beat Obama with it if it is upheld.


35 posted on 06/25/2012 6:43:49 PM PDT by paul544
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To: fightin kentuckian

I don’t think anyone can really anticipate the type of civil unrest that may occur if the HC law is upheld. I don’t expect conservatives to take to the streets and burn things like liberals do. But, I expect widespread retribution against liberals in congress in the November elections followed by a large segment of the population ignoring the law in any way possible. This includes businesses and medical professionals.


36 posted on 06/25/2012 6:44:14 PM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Wrong.

We shall see.

It all starts (turning around) in 3 days.


37 posted on 06/25/2012 6:44:35 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: hole_n_one
The ONLY time in my life I ever saw a hand like that we were playing for .22LR ammo.

If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.

/johnny

38 posted on 06/25/2012 6:45:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: mamelukesabre

I know intratrade disagrees but they can be wrong as well. ON thing that bothers me is the confidence that most conservatives have that “at least the mandate will be overturned”. Too many, almost all, conservatives agree on this point and that’s what scares me. These decisions that are being handed down make no sense if you’re a constitutional scholar. They only make sense if you’re a liberal. Yes one or two went out way but that’s by design.


39 posted on 06/25/2012 6:47:34 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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To: ScottfromNJ
I also heard that Justice Kennedy is wearing the same underwear all week. From what I hear that usually means he votes to uphold. We’re doomed!

And I heard that Kagan's been going commando since the oral arguments. I don't know what it means, but it just can't be good.
40 posted on 06/25/2012 6:48:44 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: fightin kentuckian

FWIW, I’ve been having the same nightmare all day.


41 posted on 06/25/2012 6:49:09 PM PDT by LaybackLenny
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To: fightin kentuckian
6. Justice Roberts is scheduled to write the majority opinion in the ObamaCare decision and Ruth Bader Ginsburg the dissent per Ace of Spades HQ. This sort of kills your theory.
42 posted on 06/25/2012 6:49:50 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (You're screwy! You're spaced! You lost the recall race!)
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To: fightin kentuckian
I think there is a mole on the court that has been coordinating with the administration.

I thought that is why the "Wise Latina" was placed there.

43 posted on 06/25/2012 6:50:13 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"The mandate could very well be over turned and the rest of the law left intact."

True -- and then Obamacare morphs into a completely different monster. But Congress needs to fix that new "Law of Unintended Consequences" Obamacare-without-mandate before the entire health care industry (20% of GDP) collapses and becomes the next domestic automobile industry. Or they should fix it before it collapses.

44 posted on 06/25/2012 6:51:14 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: fightin kentuckian

Millions of Americans hope and pray Obamacare will be overturned. Me included.


45 posted on 06/25/2012 6:53:01 PM PDT by tob2 (November can't come soon enough for me.)
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To: gorush

Thank goodness me and my fellow Wisconsin voters didn’t assume the position like many here.


46 posted on 06/25/2012 6:54:44 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: fightin kentuckian; JRandomFreeper
"You could also mow my yard and weed the garden."

When you're done, a big plate of sandwiches would be nice.

And some fresh squeezed lemonade.

(Not too much sugar, now.)
47 posted on 06/25/2012 6:55:29 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: fightin kentuckian

After watching Pelosi coming apart at the seams lately tells me that she knows and her “crazier than usual” demener says she is quite rattled....


48 posted on 06/25/2012 6:55:29 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: fightin kentuckian

I believe someone at SCOTUSblog today posted that Scalia and Ginsburg regularly read their dissents like that.


49 posted on 06/25/2012 6:56:30 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: tob2

Part of me hopes that Thursday morning I’ll climb out of the shower and towel off, take a sip of coffee, turn on the TV and see Juan Williams pitching a fit on FOX because it has been COMPLETELY overturned.

BUT I just can’t shake this gut feeling and it’s killing me. Damn!


50 posted on 06/25/2012 6:57:20 PM PDT by fightin kentuckian
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