Skip to comments.A chickenís death leads to criminal charges
Posted on 06/27/2012 7:05:01 AM PDT by el_texicano
Emotion overcomes Joy C. McDonald each time she pauses to think about what her future might hold.
She could lose her job, her small rented home and custody of her three children all because her two little dogs supposedly scared a neighbors elderly chicken to death.
According to McDonald, the penned bird apparently suffered a heart attack when her two Chihuahuas barked at it while running loose in their rural Lafayette County neighborhood.
A chicken heart attack?
(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...
Interesting. My neighbor’s dogs killed two of my chickens. I mean, they had them in their mouths. I just pumped my pelet gun twice and the next time they came up I gave them a shot in the buttox. Didn’t break the skin but scared them. They have not been back. Maybe I should get them to send my neighbor to jail, except I like the guy. Dang...
The woman’s attitude - treating it like a big joke - sure didn’t help. In the country free-roaming dogs killing live stock can be a very big deal. She shouldn’t have hung up on the angry neighbor.
We need to revert to the biblical guidance that the punishment fit the crime. The OT notion, “An eye for eye...” was not savagery, it was an admonishment that the victim could extract no greater toll from the criminal than was done to them. Hence, most matters were handled as civil infractions, with an insult redressed through monetary (or livestock) payment. The problem with our justice system is that ANY conviction, no matter how minor has grave extra-judicial consequences that exceed the infraction. For most people, you lose your livelihood, potentially your home... all the investments you made in life are cancelled because of something as venial as a neighbors frightened chicken. The remedy is to redefine crime as only things that are “criminal”, e.g. acts in which there is an active malicious intent to do harm, and civil infractions as everything else.
Criminal charges seems extreme; but what bothers me is that she apparently had been letting the dogs run loose. Not very neighborly, and not good for her dogs either.
Colonel Sanders would be doing life at a Federal Pen.
An irritating bark is part of a Chihuahuas DNA.
(paging Captain Obvious)
Good fences make good neighbors.........Robert Frost
Agreed. Grew up on the family farm. It was a never-ending irritant that ppl would dump off their unwanted pets (predominantly dogs) in the country. Packs would develop and sheep were the first to be attacked. Word would get around, and it was open season by the farmers on any “free-range mutts”. I so much hate ppl who do will not take care and control of their pets.
There are few more irritating sounds than the bark of a chi-hooey-hooey.
And they bark all the time, at any movement or lack of movement around them. All the time they bark. And go for your ankles if you are unfortunate enough to be in their presence.
My sympathies are with the chicken owner.
Amen to that.
The ruling class and the enforcement class has lost touch with reality.
We’ve become a silly people who live in a silly country and concern ourselves with silly things.
Where I used to live in the outer sticks of GA there was a huge problem with dogs killing livestock. The owners would just let them run loose during the day and they'd form into packs killing chickens, goats and cattle. One friend of a friend came home and found a pack of about 20 dogs in his calf pen along with the heads and a few other parts of two calves. He went into the house get his AR-15 and killed all but two of them. Some of the "neighbors" whose "pets" they were complained to the sheriff (those who were responsible for the most dogs.) I think the one "neighbor" that actually made it to court owned about a dozen of them.
Bottom line was it was treated as a civil matter. the judge ordered him to pay $10 each for the dead dogs, and ordered the dog owners to pay $1000 each for the dead calves. Naturally the trash who owned the multiple dogs couldn't pay, and had nothing against which to place a lien. Funny how they could afford to harbor a pack of dogs.
Yup. And $30 is more than he would have collected if coyotes had gotten there first.
Elderly chicken + yapping chihuahuas = unfortunate consequence
This story reads as if The Far Side came to life.
As she stated in the video, there's no leash law, and being out in the country, she figured the dogs wouldn't get into trouble--especially since together, they weigh less than an average cat.
Apparently in her book her little chow-mains could go anywhere and do anything they please because they were "playful" which is usually code words for nasty little ankle bitters that the owner refuses to discipline.
And she won't go to jail, she will just have to pay a fine and keep her destructive animals under control.
Actually, Robert Frost did NOT say, “good fences make good neighbors”. Please re-read the poem. It is the poet’s taciturn neighbor who says this. What Robert Frost says in his voice in the poem is found in the opening line: “Something there is that does not like a wall.” (The quote may not be exact, I’m relying on memory.) The entire poem is a meditation on how walls are not good.
When you are in the wrong, it helps to roll over, plead for forgiveness and offer restitution. It is not wise to be rude and callous when someone is telling you that your out of control dogs came onto their property and killed their pet. Free people don’t know how to be civilized with one another anymore so a police state has evolved to apply a zero tolerance sledge hammer to every nail.
He never said it, he wrote it..........
She should retain a good attorney .... I would recommend she find one with extensive experience in chicken heart attacks.
Like it or not, this is how it goes in farm/rural (NOT suburb) country. Dogs do run loose. BUT, anyone who lets their dog run also knows that if said dog is caught/seen killing farm livestock, said dog WILL be "terminated with extreme prejudice", and more often than not, the dog owner will agree with the action. The criterion isn't "loose dog", but "killer dog". Dogs that leave livestock alone are themselves left alone. No harm, no foul.
And yes, farm folks do lose pets to traffic (a much more frequent occurrence than the above "termination").
My neighbors (4 year old)daughter came onto my property and went up to the dog while he was sleeping and pulled on his ear. He gave her a nip which barely broke the skin. I insisted that we take her to the ER even though I had proof the dog was up to date on all his shots. I told my neighbor I would pay the whole bill, he refused and we settled on splitting it 50/50.
In addition when I lived in NYS it was not uncommon to see packs of dogs chasing down deer. It was perfectly legal to shoot the dogs.
I totally agree with your post.
Political Correctness has trumped Common Sense and Civility.
If this happened 30 years ago, the neighbor with the dogs would have walked over to the neighbor with the chicken and apologized and paid for the cost of a new chicken.
Also, the neighbor with the dead chicken would probably have said “accidents happen”.
Legally dog boy
Fixed it for you.
They are lucky the chicken died, you can be imprisoned for keeping chickens.
An eye for an eye would have meant that the woman would have had to have one of her pets (dogs) killed in return.
Fortunately we have moved beyond that level of justice.
Much better. Thanks.
I’ve become a jynx to birds lately. First, I was out walking a couple of weeks ago and a bird fell off the electric/phone wire and dropped dead right in front of me. In fact, I am surprised it didn’t actually hit me!
Then last thursday a babyish/adolescent bluebird seemed to have been lost from it’s nest and was hunkered down in my back yard. It didn’t move for 2 days and was dead by the time I arrived home on Friday...
I suppose I should be jailed for bird deaths....
About 50 years ago, my father shot a dog who was after our chickens....he didn’t mean to kill it, just to scare it off, unfortunately, he hit it, and it died. Turned out the dog was owned by MY 3rd grade teacher. Of course she was hurt, however, knew the dog was where he was NOT supposed to be doing what he was NOT supposed to do....oh, and by the way, I was Mrs. Cayoo’s “teacher’s pet”...for you youngn’s....her favorite student. All ended well. So many people today are self centered, narcissistic brats.
Our neighbor Chihuahua, aptly named Dearth Vader, would be dangerous if he were any larger. He thinks he owns the world. Chihuahuas must have the “little dog” complex!
When I moved to CS CO, I went and lalked to two different barking dog owners, the only thing that surprised me about this story is that she laughed. I got cussed at. Never confronted a barking dog owner again. I sent the law after them.
Barking dog owners don't give a rats ass about anyone, or anything else. They're assholes.
Whatever punishment this barking dog owner gets won't be enough in my book.
You are only forgetting that after the apology and acceptance, then they would have had a nice chicken dinner together!
Not so... As I noted, minor offenses under the Mosaic law were paid by restitution, not literally. The “eye for an eye..” phrase was used to show the limits of payment for an offense. In this case, the woman would have given her $5.00 for the replacement cost of the chicken...
I give that about a 8.4 on the 'Eye-roll inducing hyperbole' Richter Scale.
You posted a link to an old story about the Chicken Man.
You do know that later he blew himself (and the damn chickens) up?
Guy was nuttier than a fruitcake.
Moreover, in traditional Hebrew culture, it might have been the scholarly advice of a Rabbi for the owner of the dead chicken to invite the woman and her two dogs over for chicken dinner.
Give it whatever you want, I’ll never have dealings with a barking dog owner again. I’m not stupid.
I was a naive farm boy who thought people were better than they were way back then. Now I know just what barking dog owners are.
Yep. Not the ones whose dogs let out the occasional yap, but the ones whose dogs bark continuously for anywhere from 15 minutes to several hours.
I'm not sure that dog owners as a class have a higher percentage of inconsiderate a..holes thant the general population or it's just that they have a more obvious venue in which to express their a..holishness.
Just a couple of weeks ago I was working on my lawn when some old jerk came along and crapped his dog on my lawn right in fron of me. As he was walking off I asked him if he liked dog sh!t. He speeded up, but I caught up to him and repeated the question. He basically said no. I asked him why him why then he though his neighbors liked dog sh!t. More mumbling. I told him if he didn't like it on hiz lawn he shouldn't go around depositing it on other peoples' lawns. He mumbled an apology and said he would do it again. Of course there's fresh dog sh!t on my lawn again, but I look at this as someone volunteering his lawn as a place to dump the used motor oil from my diesel.
I did two things in regard to dogs crapping on my lawn.
First we raked up all the crap and spread it along the sidewalk. It was huge windrow on a long sidewalk. That (humiliation) worked for awhile.
after awhile I set my sprinklers to start every day at about 4 am and run for a good while. Evidently the dogs preferred the neighbors dry grass to my wet grass, as it nearly elimated the problem for me.
Not a perfect solution, that would have involved a shotgun.
Back on the barking topic. I have a neighbor who has a continuous yapper. Periodically, someone will put in a complaint (not me - I don't want to be on the record if someone actually does something to the obnoxious thing). She then keeps the vile animal in the house for 30 days and you don't hear a peep out of it, but then she puts it out again and the noise starts all over again. As it turns out, you have to have two complaints within 30 days for the dog to be declared a public nuisance animal (which the county will destroy.) So it's obvious that the aforementioned neighbor is a complete jerk. She KNOWS just what a wretched nuisance her precious wecious puppikins is, and just couldn't care less.
Can you honestly say you wouldn’t think it funny if someone called you up and was screaming that your dog had given his chicken a heart attack?
I don’t know your situation, but if you don’t step up to the plate and file a complaint nothing will happen.