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Why Obama Has Already Lost The Fast & Furious Executive Privilege Issue In Court Of Public Opinion
MB26

Posted on 06/27/2012 10:19:09 AM PDT by MindBender26

Obama made a very serious mistake in invoking the issue of Executive Privilege in the F&F matter.

First, he has now made Holder's problems his problem. Why would he do that unless there was some smoking gun memo that involved Obama personally? Is his ego so big that he thinks that simply his "presence" will remedy the situation. If so, I would remind him of how successful he was in bringing the Olympic Games to Chicago.

But even if he prevails legally, which he probably will not, the public has already made up its mind.

The concept is simple: Why try to hide something, if there is nothing to hide.

It’s very much like what a judge once said about an accused invoking 5th Amendment protections in court:

“1: The person exercising their rights under the 5th Amendment has the absolute Constitutional right to do so.

2: The jury will be instructed as to that right and told that they must not, in any way, hold the exercising of that right against the person doing so.

3: Back in the jury room, regardless of the instruction shown in #2, most jury members thinking someone “taking the 5th” is guilty as hell, otherwise, why not answer the questions?!?!”

So it it with Obama. Regardless of whether or not the claim of Executive Privilege is upheld, most Americans already think Obama has something to hide.

That means he has already lost.

:)


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: gunrunner; vanity
Seven rules of surviving a self-inflicted crisis:

1: Tell it all 2: Tell it yourself 3: Tell it today 4: Accept all responsibility, but ask for forgiveness. 5: Make no excuses. 6: Tell it all, because it all eventually comes out. 7: It's usually not the act that gets you, it's the coverup.... as it is here.

1 posted on 06/27/2012 10:19:12 AM PDT by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

Food for thought...


2 posted on 06/27/2012 10:25:00 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MindBender26

Yes, the public will hold him responsible - until the next episode of The Bachelorette.

Obama knows that by invoking EP, he’s in the clear because congress has shown again and again that they will refuse to hold him accountable.

What’s he got to lose?

Same tomorrow if Obamacare is struck down, he will “deem” the decision invalid and I wouldn’t be surprised if he surrounds the Supreme Court with armed federal agents - why? - because he can.


3 posted on 06/27/2012 10:26:32 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: MindBender26

There is ABSOLUTELY no question in my mind that Obama knew of F&F and is up to his eyeballs in it. I think he underestimated the vigilance of Issa and now he’s been backed into a corner which is why he executed the EP.


4 posted on 06/27/2012 10:29:55 AM PDT by Kevin in California
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To: Kevin in California

Issa has a source or sources someplace in the Justice Department. Holder and Obama do not know what information has been given to Issa. They have a problem.


5 posted on 06/27/2012 10:33:18 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: MindBender26

Sorry to go off topic, but to carry it a bit further, let me play the devils advocate - the congress and the Supreme Court have shown that they are incapacitated with partisanship, the three branches of government have been so poisoned against the will of the American People, it is now up to Obama to step up to the plate and take transitional power (until a new government can be created) as envisioned by the founders - ( it is the right of the people to throw off that government which has been found illegitimate or defective) (pp)

Who would stop him? Who would even dispute him?


6 posted on 06/27/2012 10:38:43 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: MindBender26

Watergate with Body Bags..


7 posted on 06/27/2012 10:39:26 AM PDT by IamConservative (Well done is better than well said. - Ben Franklin)
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To: atc23

Heh, yes, I’ve come to the same conclusion! At least half of the electorate are idiots! I don’t mean that in a derogatory sense but in a real world sense. They simply are idiots!

That means that Republicans have to get at least 10% or so of the idiot vote. It seems to get harder and more difficult with Democratic Presidents (handing out gifts are their forte).

This is the reason that you can NOT take any election for granted. The idiots do seem to come out for democrats that promise money, hope, change, and anything else that they can come up with.

So, the message is don’t take anything for granted. The electorate is too stupid to actually vote for better government but they will vote for better and more handouts.

Damn, it’s really a shame that voting has come to this (even including the illegal votes)! America is in real trouble!


8 posted on 06/27/2012 10:40:15 AM PDT by Deagle (nOT Get a)
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To: atc23

If a takeover like this such that dictatorship happened, there would be rioting in the streets if not open warfare.


9 posted on 06/27/2012 10:52:38 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: MestaMachine

Looks as though this fire will not be able to be ignored or put out.


10 posted on 06/27/2012 11:22:00 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: IamConservative
Watergate with Body Bags.

And with the press running interference for Nixon.

11 posted on 06/27/2012 11:25:55 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: atc23

Been saying that since the Immaculation. /sig


12 posted on 06/27/2012 11:41:46 AM PDT by mykroar (October race riots bring November martial law.)
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To: MindBender26
"I intend to have the most transparent administration in history."

THAT is why he will lose major votes.

13 posted on 06/27/2012 11:46:17 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: MindBender26

Well, I think this is probably true of people who are paying attention. But how many people have even heard about Fast and Furious? The press has barely mentioned it.


14 posted on 06/27/2012 11:51:34 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MindBender26

Until the FAT LADY is singing ,,,,,,,

The hen is the smartest of all the barnyard animals ,,, because she never kackles until after the egg is laid ,,,,, A. Lincoln 1863 .


15 posted on 06/27/2012 12:05:01 PM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: All

16 posted on 06/27/2012 12:25:30 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: tbw2

If the Liberal Media wasn’t behind it, would Watergate have been such a big deal? Without Media support Obama could shoot Mitt Romney on TV and get away with it. They love the guy and will fall on their sword for him. Sadly, he isn’t worthy of there loyalty or trust.


17 posted on 06/27/2012 12:34:07 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: MindBender26
I think it's also why Obama issued his order severing ties with Arizona after the Immigration ruling from SCOTUS.

I wonder if Obama won't help Arizona because he's afraid that Fast And Furious guns will eventually be found combing back across the border with an illegal alien. It's just a matter of time.

He doesn't want to step up illegal immigration enforcement because if they find a gun, everything would begin to unravel. He's using immigration as an excuse to look the other way on everything else.

-PJ

18 posted on 06/27/2012 12:41:47 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: cpdiii
Issa has a source or sources someplace in the Justice Department. Holder and Obama do not know what information has been given to Issa. They have a problem.

Not necessarily. It could be someone in the Obama administration with a demonstrated ability to obtain sensitive information, to include classifuied FBI files.


19 posted on 06/27/2012 12:51:00 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I wonder if Obama won't help Arizona because he's afraid that Fast And Furious guns will eventually be found combing back across the border with an illegal alien. It's just a matter of time.

Time's up!

He doesn't want to step up illegal immigration enforcement because if they find a gun, everything would begin to unravel.

Especially if there's a victim or victims who's not a federal law enforcement officer and the feds can't control the investigation. And it's even worse if it's in Arizona, and worse yet if Sheriff Joe Arpaio is involved in the investigation.

20 posted on 06/27/2012 1:06:16 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: atc23
... now up to Obama to step up to the plate and take transitional power (until a new government can be created) ...

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Such an insane move would set off the Second American Revolution.

Forget about the gutless Congress or the partisan Supreme Court taking action. We The People would form the new government on our own, after the shooting quiets down.

21 posted on 06/27/2012 1:32:43 PM PDT by DNME (Prepare ... quickly. Time grows short.)
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To: archy
Deputy Murder Linked To NH Couple’s Death In Arizona?

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/01/09/deputy-murder-linked-to-nh-couples-death-in-arizona/

22 posted on 06/27/2012 1:35:06 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: cpdiii

Issa also has a problem in that he can’t use the information he has without exposing his sources.

That’s why the subpoenas and why they have been kept as general as possible.


23 posted on 06/27/2012 1:38:18 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MindBender26

Let’s take a public poll. “Do you know what “Fast and Furious” is?

90% will say it is a new reality show.


24 posted on 06/27/2012 2:12:46 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: atc23

“”it is now up to Obama to step up to the plate and take transitional power (until a new government can be created) as envisioned by the founders - ( it is the right of the people to throw off that government which has been found illegitimate or defective) (pp)””

You are speaking of the Declaration of Independence and it’s surely NOT obozo who needs to take action. It’s clearly the people.

What the Declaration of Independence had to say with their words directed at King George of GB:

“”it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.””

“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security.”

Further on - speaking of King George:
He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
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I remember so well this argument being put forth during the 1960’s - especially by Dick Gregory and other rabble rousers screaming - IT IS OUR DUTY!!!!

Do we not have the same conditions today as faced by the colonialists?


25 posted on 06/27/2012 4:09:08 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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