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Affordable Care Act SCOTUS Decision--Live Thread
SCOTUSblog ^ | June 28, 2012 | SCOTUSblog

Posted on 06/28/2012 4:56:21 AM PDT by John W

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To: ducttape45

no, it will be the last opinion starting at 10am. Probably not until 1015 or 1030 EDT.


51 posted on 06/28/2012 5:29:08 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: joe fonebone

Kagan yes because she does not like this country. The wise latino don’t know.


52 posted on 06/28/2012 5:29:08 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: joe fonebone
The arizona ruling was 100% correct...

If you believe that, then the individual mandate will be upheld. From Diana West:

"I find it difficult to regard the Supreme Court decision on Arizona immigration law as just another controversial or disappointing highest court decision. There is something almost post-apocolyptic and certainly pre-totalitarian when, to invoke Justice Scalia's dissent, the Court has ruled that Arizona contradicts federal law by enforcing it. Yes, as Scalia put it, it "boggles the mind."

"It also conjures up truly alarming comparisons with "justice" as meted out by kangaroo courts, show trials and other horrors of totalitarian dictatorships. We understand such criminal acts of going through the motions as sham procedures that have no intention of upholding the rule of law, but rather go forward to entrench an ideology or regime or, usually, both. It is shocking, therefore, to see even a pale reflection of such things in this ruling, the perfect endpiece to President Obama's recent Rose Garden Amnesty. Maybe it's the context of lawlessness and abdication of responsibility we live amid.... In these lawless and irresponsible times, Arizona's immigration law sets a dangerous precedent, demonstrating how both to re-establish the rule of law and take responsibility."

"Is that why, circa 2012, it had to be struck down?

"In April 2010 I wrote Arizona and its immigration law, and, looking back, I realize now I should have known the law was doomed. Why?"

"Arizona suddenly poses an unexpected threat to the status quo of permissible lawlessness, the illegal demographic transformation of this country into a linguistic and cultural extension of Latin America. This out-of-control movement has been tolerated if not facilitated by our political leadership for several decades under the dangerous influence of what we know as multiculturalism, the school of thought that has widely delegitimized U.S. identity altogether. Maybe more than anything else, Arizona's law restores a civic sense that there exists such an identity, and it is, and should be, legally protected. Thus, the multiculti rage."

"Don't let the robes, the perfect spelling, the orderliness fool you: The Supremes' ruling only makes this rage officially the law of the land."

The AZ ruling has destroyed the concept of federalism and made the states administrative units of the central government. Today's decision will add to that precedent.

53 posted on 06/28/2012 5:29:25 AM PDT by kabar
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To: John W

Pins and needles bookmark


54 posted on 06/28/2012 5:30:08 AM PDT by mplsconservative (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

If I were writing an editorial tomorrow and this law stands, it would begin like this: Yesterday, June 28, 2012, will live in infamy, the republic was suddenly and deliberately attacked by the democrat party under the auspices of the Empire of Obama.


55 posted on 06/28/2012 5:30:19 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: kabar

Yup I’m with you on this


56 posted on 06/28/2012 5:30:56 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: mike_9958

I’m waiting to see if I continue in my field past 2014 or if I’m looking for another way to support myself....


57 posted on 06/28/2012 5:30:56 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: John W

Three decisions today

1. Stolen Valor

2. ????????

3. 0bamacare


58 posted on 06/28/2012 5:31:18 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: kabar
I am afraid that whatever decision is made will try to cut the baby in half rather than being definitive.

I agree with that, particularly with regard to the ruling on the separability clause. I'm betting the Court will rule that there is an implied separability clause in the law. This despite the obvious will of Congress to strike the clause from earlier draft versions of Obamacare.

The separability clause ruling should be a slam dunk. I'm betting it won't be and we won't be happy about the decision.

59 posted on 06/28/2012 5:31:44 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: PapaNew

I think in KISS, keep it silly simple.

Obama failed to qualify as POTUS, everything he thought he had power to do is constitutionally illegal.

Obama care was an illegal act upon America by a fraudster.

Scotus should NOT enforce an illegal act or even support any part of it.

If they do it will further create an image of NO CONFIDENCE of the American society.


60 posted on 06/28/2012 5:33:02 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: John W
Dang, you mean I gotta wait 90 more minutes? The suspense is killing me.

Oh well, back to my Pakman game!

61 posted on 06/28/2012 5:33:58 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: kabar

Are you really such a Gloomer that you now are quoting someone who most people had never heard until this month?


62 posted on 06/28/2012 5:34:42 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: John W

         I'm with you Rush ... Let's Roll!

63 posted on 06/28/2012 5:34:59 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Perdogg
1. Stolen Valor

2. ????????

3. PROFIT!!!


64 posted on 06/28/2012 5:35:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: Perdogg
"Scalia was in his chamber this morning doing pullups like Robert Deniro in Cape Fear".

Goldberg made me laugh with that.

I also like Casapulla's reply: "Nah, he's punching meat in a freezer to sweet 80s tunes"

65 posted on 06/28/2012 5:37:05 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Perdogg; kabar
"Are you really such a Gloomer that you now are quoting someone who most people had never heard until this month?"

and that everyone knows is a lefty blog (Scotusblog)?

66 posted on 06/28/2012 5:37:25 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: MinuteGal

That the Obamacare obamanation even became law demonstrates what a freakshow all branches of government have become. And a guy named Carney is the chief carnival barker... how do you spoof the absurd?

Noble institutions are reserved for peoples who are able to discern between the holy and the profane.


67 posted on 06/28/2012 5:37:30 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: PapaNew

——This law of nature, being co-eval with mankind and dictated by God himself,...-—

My BIL was the dean of a Catholic law school. He told me that law students aren’t taught Natural Law theory explicitly. He seemed ambivalent about it.

I wanted to puke. If the law doesn’t rest on eternal moral principles, then it rests on nothing at all.

Odumbo’s too ignorant and arrogant to realize that option 2 can bite the hand that feeds it.


68 posted on 06/28/2012 5:37:51 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: nhoward14

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!

69 posted on 06/28/2012 5:38:03 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: John W

Prediction:

To play it safe, SCOTUS will lecture
every litigant how they overstepped.


70 posted on 06/28/2012 5:38:03 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: andrew1957
Seems to me that this might be the most important day in the past 100 years...

Yep...right up there with all the crazy socialist BS, we got and are still dealing with, from FDR.

71 posted on 06/28/2012 5:38:40 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Rca2000
I dreamed a couple of days ago...

That was not a dream. It was a Nightmare!

72 posted on 06/28/2012 5:40:26 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: John W

End it, don’t mend it.


73 posted on 06/28/2012 5:40:43 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: kabar

Please break out your pocket constitution....

Go to article 1, section 8..

Back when the framers were still alive, it was ruled that naturalization and immigration are linked, and therefore one and the same..

the states cannot set their own immigration policies

period

this power is specifically granted to the federal government

any power not granted to the federal government is reserved by the states and the people, respectively

the fed cannot interfere with local law enforcement

This was upheld

To put it bluntly, what would california do with an ability to set it’s own immigration policy?

answer, it would open the floodgates

not a “popular” or “trendy” ruling, but a constitutionally correct one


74 posted on 06/28/2012 5:40:52 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: Perdogg

You’re killing me...........


75 posted on 06/28/2012 5:41:01 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: John W

Thanks for the thread... I have been trying to sleep, and just can’t. I hope after it’s announced I can actually get some sleep, but I doubt it. Waiting for the Holder vote as well, today. Too many “Big Doings” that really will have a HUGE impact on our country.


76 posted on 06/28/2012 5:41:32 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LibertyRocks

You’re welcome. I started it because I was getting the heebie jeebies sitting here worrying about it without a specific thread on FR on it.


77 posted on 06/28/2012 5:44:23 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: John W

I thinking the ruling goes against ObamaCare, we see the beginning of the phase out of Dear Leader by the Dims as damage control.

No matter how carefully crafted the “three” supposed speeches are-—THIS was his LEGACY and his narcisstic personality (with him, this is personal) will start to unhinge. And quickly.

The “I” word has even been mentioned (and not just on the web). The stress will just “get to him” and he will step aside—my gut feeling.


78 posted on 06/28/2012 5:45:09 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.)
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To: All

Any streaming video links?


79 posted on 06/28/2012 5:45:25 AM PDT by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: ducttape45

Live blogging at SCOTUSblog.com starts at O845, and the justices take the bench at 1000 EST. With other cases to be announced, expect the Obamacare decision around 1030 and for Roberts to write the decision; assuming it goes down.


80 posted on 06/28/2012 5:45:43 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: All

Watch how the stock market reacts too. This will have a major economic impact.


81 posted on 06/28/2012 5:47:02 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: joe fonebone

And don’t forget the correct ruling that the 2nd amendment refers to an individual right.


82 posted on 06/28/2012 5:47:04 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (OBAMA!!'s name is all caps as sarcasm to indicate a lack of respect, as he does not deserve it)
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To: joe fonebone

I agree. As much as I would like to jump on the side of angst about the Arizona ruling, it was the correct one.

Roberts will side with Scalia, Thomas, and Alito. The question still remains however...............

What side will Kennedy stand with.


83 posted on 06/28/2012 5:47:22 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Perdogg

We will know in about 90 minutes if my fears are well-founded or not. Is a Gloomer similar to a “birther” or a “denier?” If so, I will happily accept that sobriquet.


84 posted on 06/28/2012 5:47:22 AM PDT by kabar
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To: PapaNew

I found this website last night after watching the “Patriot” with my husband and browing around to find more information. Thus is not advocating individual lawlessness, but advocating state governments, duly elected, to push back against federal tyranny and unconstitutional law.

http://nullifynow.net/ An important way to seek constitutional compliance is to organize widespread civil refusal to comply with unlawful official actions. A precedent for this was the 1783 Pennsylvania Council of Censors, discussed by James Madison in Federalist #48. The objective is to avoid having to launch separate legislation for every usurpation, but to provide a process by which resistance may be mobilized quickly as usurpations occur. The items below concern doing this at the state level for federal actions.

More Details:
State Nullification of Federal Action: http://constitution.org/reform/us/tx/nullification/nullcomm.htm


Do we still have enough local citizens and elected representatives with courage in this country to push through something like this? I’m afraid if Obamacare is upheld, that the vise of Federal tyranny will be tightened so quickly we won’t even have time to regroup. I pray that is not the case. If a state did “nullify” a federal law, what would be the feds immediate reaction? The Feds would do something to intimidate both the “council” and the state. Again, do we have enough people with righteous anger and courage to stand up against this?


85 posted on 06/28/2012 5:49:30 AM PDT by boxlunch
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To: kabar

The blog is up and here is the correct link for today-—

http://www.scotusblog.com/cover-it-live/


86 posted on 06/28/2012 5:49:30 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: John W

Wailing & gnashing of teeth, book mark


87 posted on 06/28/2012 5:49:39 AM PDT by John 3_19-21 (Stand for something, or fall for anything.)
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To: joe fonebone
Back when the framers were still alive, it was ruled that naturalization and immigration are linked, and therefore one and the same..the states cannot set their own immigration policies

You can buy that nonsense of the majority decision and the government's lawyers. Read the dissents of Scalia, Alito, and Thonmas.

AZ was not setting its own immigration policies. None of its laws conflicted with federal law. The federal government's case was a joke in terms of preemption and the Supremacy clause.

88 posted on 06/28/2012 5:52:16 AM PDT by kabar
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To: LibertyRocks

I can’t sleep either, even though I’ve been on political hiatus since Willard de facto won the nomination in April.


89 posted on 06/28/2012 5:53:49 AM PDT by PAConservative1
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To: RedMDer

Bookmark


90 posted on 06/28/2012 5:58:10 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: John W; All

We have to be prepared and have an action plan. The Rat Tottenburg is already saying the people will DEMAND a replacement law because they love Obamacare so far. Really? These commies never stop.


91 posted on 06/28/2012 5:59:09 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: joe fonebone
Excellent Post!

The true value of the Arizona Law is to bring it to the attention of the entire nation that the Federal Government is not enforcing its immigration laws and not doing its primary duty...that of protecting the people of the United States of America.

Like you clearly stated, the Supreme Court was excactly right in its ruling.

92 posted on 06/28/2012 5:59:16 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: OneVike

Ya know..

I have seen alot of posters here on FR lately that either do not have knowledge of the constitution, or choose to ignore it when they do not agree with it..

I am, hoever, finding more and more people who are falling along the lines of “Strict Constitutionalist”..

You are one of those people

I find it refreshing and invigoriating to see that the numbers of people who believe in our constitution as written appears to be rising.

I have stated many times that the constitution, enforced as written, would piss off just as many conservates as it would liberals...

This ruling is just one example of many..


93 posted on 06/28/2012 6:02:46 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: Perdogg

opinions are announced by author of the majority opinion in reverse order of seniority. This opinion will be last only if the most senior judge of those writing majority opinions today is the one who writes it.


94 posted on 06/28/2012 6:04:47 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: OneVike

My prediction is 8 to 1 to throw the whole thing out... the senile old bag will be the only dissention..

This thing is just soooooo blantantly unconstitutional, even the damn libs should be able to see it


95 posted on 06/28/2012 6:06:37 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: John W

I’m rooting for throwing it all out. Whatever they decide I will live with.


96 posted on 06/28/2012 6:08:43 AM PDT by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: boxlunch
"Again, do we have enough people with righteous anger and courage to stand up against this?"

Depends what level of 'courage' are you talking about?

97 posted on 06/28/2012 6:08:43 AM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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To: John W

ping ....


98 posted on 06/28/2012 6:11:11 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: John W

Bump


99 posted on 06/28/2012 6:13:24 AM PDT by fedupjohn
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To: joe fonebone
not a “popular” or “trendy” ruling, but a constitutionally correct one

I disagree.

While Congress obviously has sole constitutional power to set immigration and naturalization policy, the AZ law simply mirrored federal law.

And remember, these particular laws are laws that are in fulfillment of the absolute constitutional obligation by the United States to secure the states from invasion.

To tell the state of AZ that they cannot, in the absence of federal fulfillment of its most important duties, enforce these laws is to say that they cannot defend themselves.

And the right of self-defense is God-given, unalienable, intrinsic.

100 posted on 06/28/2012 6:14:33 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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