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High court upholds key part of Obama health law
AP ^ | 06-28-12 | Mark Sherman

Posted on 06/28/2012 7:29:46 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA

The Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the individual insurance requirement at the heart of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

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KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; commiecare; fuscotus; govtabuse; healthcare; obamacare; obamacaretax; obamunism; reaganwarnedyou; tyranny; ussa; waronliberty
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To: floozy22
Thanks!

The doomsayers will probably not like those points - but it seems to me that they would rather curse the darkness than light a candle.

Elections are in November.

As disgusted as I was by the decision in Kelo vs New London, that government shall not take private property except for public use was somehow the power to take private property for private use if there were some public benefit to be derived thereby - it DID prompt some legislation preventing such from occurring again.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704402404574527513453636326.html

“According to the Institute for Justice, which represented Susette Kelo, 43 states have since passed laws that place limits and safeguards on eminent domain, giving property owners greater security in their homes.”

101 posted on 06/28/2012 8:11:19 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

As I’m sitting here trying to digest this, shock and outrage giving away to fatigue from getting up way too early...I’m beginning to agree that maybe this will galvanize people and help the “get out the vote” effort to boot Obama.

It’s a huge victory for him, no doubt - but enough Americans are going to be pissed off about this, especially now that’s it’s officially a tax... that maybe this will give Romney some additional momentum.


102 posted on 06/28/2012 8:11:28 AM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: Flightdeck

Who do we vote for in voting against Obama, considering Romney is little different?


103 posted on 06/28/2012 8:15:23 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Littlejon

Obamacare is unpopular and the only thing that makes ACA ‘constitutional’ is the fact that its a massive tax on all Americans.

Yup, let’s hope Obama runs on it until November.


104 posted on 06/28/2012 8:15:54 AM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: yield 2 the right

“I will not vote ever again for the GOP rather I will vote for the most liberal/socialists/leftists etc candidate from now on.
Voting any other way will not matter as it will be a waste of time and a vote.....”

That was tried in 2008 by lots of people, and look where it got us.


105 posted on 06/28/2012 8:17:45 AM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: Jeff Head
But, no. They then (it sounds like) unilaterally and unconstitutionally took it upon themselves to basically re-write the legislation and call that purchase mandate a tax and then say “now it is ok, proceed.”

How can the US SUPREME COURT WRITE ANY LEGISLATION?


They've done it in the past, but this is so egregious that the House needs to start impeachment procedures of all Justices writing law from the bench.

When Judge Vinson ruled Obamacare unconstitutional, he asked for an expidited appeal so that the Billions of wasted taxpayer dollars continued to be spent by the Ogabe administration (even after his injunction) would be minimal.

When the SCOTUS took more than a year to look at the issue.....I knew then, that the fix was in.
106 posted on 06/28/2012 8:19:50 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: lurk

Don’t worry. The “right people” will get waivers. They’ll still get health care but will be exempt from the “tax”.


107 posted on 06/28/2012 8:20:19 AM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Lazlo in PA

What would Harriet Myers do?


108 posted on 06/28/2012 8:25:05 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Lazlo in PA

Essentially, did the SC kick this back to Congress?

John Roberts determines that the entire cram down “law” is a TAX which the congress has a right to do, and on that determination alone makes it constitutional?


109 posted on 06/28/2012 8:25:59 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

psss


110 posted on 06/28/2012 8:26:00 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: MuttTheHoople
Indeed.

WHITE HOUSE INSIDER: OBAMACARE …”Now we are truly ready to fight.”

111 posted on 06/28/2012 8:27:44 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: MuttTheHoople

I think that is key. It is a TAX.

Republicans are saying if the law had been sold as a tax, it would never have passed. That isn’t true. While the Pelosi congress avoided the term “tax”, it would certainly have passed with a Democrat majority anyway.

They didn’t know or care what was in the dang thing, remember?


112 posted on 06/28/2012 8:30:12 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

“It’s for your own good.”

It’s a man-date, bend over and enjoy the screwing the gub’ment’s gonna give us all.

Courtesy of Obama and his bribed Democrats.


113 posted on 06/28/2012 8:31:56 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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To: 1066AD

Thanks, I have been following the Insider, too.


114 posted on 06/28/2012 8:33:02 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: 1066AD

Thanks, I have been following the Insider, too.


115 posted on 06/28/2012 8:33:02 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: allmendream
Many state legislatures have passed restrictions on compliance with the ACA, hopefully a lot more to come.

http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/state-laws-and-actions-challenging-aca.aspx

116 posted on 06/28/2012 8:33:11 AM PDT by floozy22 (ACA: Repeal ! Repeal ! Repeal !)
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To: Norseman
Maybe, but personally, I think the sleeping giant has again been awakened, completely re-energized, with more power than ever before. You are going to see conservative activism over the next four months that makes the Tea Party of 2010 look like, well, just a tea party.

I PRAY you are right....we will see how many people are left in this country that care about it...

117 posted on 06/28/2012 8:33:58 AM PDT by Fawn (DEAR JESUS....PLEASE LET OBAMA LOSE.....AMEN.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Ah Gentlemen,before you start calling for a revolution....I will point out that time and time again we’ve seen the Judiciary with the backing of the media do everything to undermine American democracy.

What happens to Mr.Holder will be critically important if the Judicial system is to be put in its. place.


118 posted on 06/28/2012 8:34:06 AM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: cydcharisse; P-Marlowe; Perdogg
idiot Bush strikes again

Maybe not. I think he replaced O'Connor. Therefore, Roberts was not GW Bush's first choice. He was forced to turn to Roberts.

Harriett Miers would have gone along with the conservatives. She was a fairly solid pro-life vote, iirc. One of the arguments against her was that she wasn't very creative, and would have been a follower, not a leader.

What we can say about Roberts is that he is devious. He gets it both ways: gets to say the mandate is not viable under the commerce clause, which is what courts and conservatives were saying. So, he says that if the administration says the funding mechanism is a tax, then, despite the democrat's arguments in Congress, it is a tax.

Does this means we'll have a new line item on our paychecks: FICA, MED, and now Federal Health Care?

Is that what this means?

Also, everyone with any sense knows big business was dying to get out from under health care requirements. Big business also wanted cheap labor in America (Arizona ruling).

Could Roberts simply be a corporate interests vote?

119 posted on 06/28/2012 8:35:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lazlo in PA; All

What I find amazing is that Kennedy would have STRUCK THE WHOLE LAW DOWN.

I understand some of Robert’s reasoning based upon reading parts of the opinion. He basically believed it was his role to defer to Congress on this rather than rule against it since he found it reasonable that it was a tax. He said in one part the people are responsible for whom they elect.

I disagree with him completely that the law is a tax, obviously, but let’s not forget this law was uphold on A VERY WEAK, SMALL LINK.

That makes it ripe for Republicans to still claim victory even with this ruling and work to repeal the law.


120 posted on 06/28/2012 8:35:28 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: RitaOK

If it is a tax, how are they going to implement it?

Income, property sales tax? Or will they send every person

in the United States a “tax bill” just for being alive?

I’m going to have to dig out my “Blow me” ink stamp when I

recieve my Obamacare bill.


121 posted on 06/28/2012 8:37:04 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: nerdgirl
I’ll add that to me right now Roberts seems to have been swayed by a preoccupation with his own legacy, rather than doing the right thing for our country.

His legacy is doomed as millions will one day spit on his name and the shackles of socialist hell that have been cast upon the American public.

122 posted on 06/28/2012 8:37:41 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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To: Lazlo in PA

123 posted on 06/28/2012 8:37:53 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: AdamBomb

Lol.

I couldn’t have been more against the attempted appointment of Miers, but we were just talking about that! “At least Miers wouldn’t have done this!!”

I’ve always liked Roberts, seemed like a true conservative, etc, and I was delighted when Miers was withdrawn and he was chosen. Now I’m just shaking my head going “did Bush do this to us??”

OK so my lawyer husband says that maybe Roberts saw this as an opportunity to limit the commerce clause, which he says could have far reaching implications that conservatives have been fighting for...


124 posted on 06/28/2012 8:40:31 AM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: nerdgirl

He could have ruled the mandate unconstitutional and still limited the commerce clause. Make no mistake about it...he’s another Souter at worst—Kennedy at best.

There are only 3 Conservative Constitutional judges on the court. We have 4 ultra liberal and 2 liberal/moderate traitors.


125 posted on 06/28/2012 8:45:33 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Electric Graffiti

It’s crazy but I understood that states can opt out, like New Jersey, and Sebelius can not then pull all Medicaid from NJ as a punishment if they do. There are some odd nuggets that free up states, but the understanding of all the specifics won’t be digested today.


126 posted on 06/28/2012 8:46:01 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: for-q-clinton

When you couple this with Roberts’ vote in the immigration case, I’d have to say that the guy is plainly not very conservative. I wish Bush had appointed another man, a guy with Scalia’s mettle...


127 posted on 06/28/2012 8:49:31 AM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: WOSG

The Rats are all on the record saying it was NOT a tax. Zero gave televised interviews scoffing at the thought it could be a tax. I hope this is used against them.


128 posted on 06/28/2012 8:50:26 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I suggested to my [pro-Obama] secretary that she start looking for another job, as my business won’t survive Obamacare without some radical cutting back.


129 posted on 06/28/2012 8:50:57 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: nerdgirl

Suddenly, Harriet Miers doesn’t look so bad after all.


130 posted on 06/28/2012 8:51:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Lazlo in PA

Romney was just on saying he’d repeal it on day 1. I have no idea how he will actually accomplish that but that’s what he said.


131 posted on 06/28/2012 9:01:56 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Behind enemy lines in the city where it's illegal to buy a Big Gulp)
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To: Personal Responsibility

If it is now officially a tax, can’t the President and congress just eliminate it effectively ending the law? No funding, no Obamacare?


132 posted on 06/28/2012 9:03:53 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: yield 2 the right

@ POST #50

I feel your pain...


133 posted on 06/28/2012 9:04:31 AM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: All; Lazlo in PA
According to FoxNews Radio, the House has schedule a repeal vote for July 11.

The repeal passed in 2011, it'll pass in 2012 and die in Harry Reid's Senate.

I've noticed the Media is misrepresenting the ruling (Fox saying the mandate was upheld, for example) and some people around me are already delirious with excitement for Obama's great victory with no comprehension of the law, the implications or the aftermath since it passed.

Romney's response was not JIP'd on talk radio where I am.

134 posted on 06/28/2012 9:05:57 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: nerdgirl

“...maybe this will give Romney some additional momentum.”

Oh, it did! From www.scotusblog.com:
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Via the Atlantic Wire, “Mitt Romney’s spokeswoman said the candidate raised $300,000 off the ruling in the first hour after it was handed down.”

Romney: “What the Court did today was say that Obama care did not violate the Constitution. They did not say that it is good law or good policy”

Romney: “This is now a time for the American People to make a choice. You can choose whether to have a larger and larger government making intrusions into your life... Or whether instead you want to return to a time where Americans have their own choice in health care.”

Romney: “If we want to get rid of Obama care, we are going to have to replace President Obama”
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Romney is smart, he is going to capitalize on this and use it as a hammer to put the big smackdown on Obama come election day. The same goes for the SCOTUS ruling on Arizona’s SB 1070. If most of that is unconstitutional and Obama has invalidated the rest by ordering ICE not to cooperate with Arizona law enforcement, then the answer is to run Obama out of office and restore cooperation again. We can override both SCOTUS decisions by voting for Obama’s opponent. I see this as a big win for Republicans because it will turn the voters in the right direction.


135 posted on 06/28/2012 9:06:21 AM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: VikingMom

Did anyone actually see Roberts give the Oath of Office to Obam...All I ever saw was a still picture. I said from beginning Roberts was a traitor


136 posted on 06/28/2012 9:06:48 AM PDT by paul revere is riding (I'm really a Paula.....)
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To: VikingMom

Did anyone actually see Roberts give the Oath of Office to Obam...All I ever saw was a still picture. I said from beginning Roberts was a traitor


137 posted on 06/28/2012 9:07:01 AM PDT by paul revere is riding (I'm really a Paula.....)
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To: unixfox

Good for you. Yours is the attitude we need to have. Our tippy-toeing around is not cutting it anymore.


138 posted on 06/28/2012 9:07:32 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: All; Lazlo in PA
According to FoxNews Radio, the House has schedule a repeal vote for July 11.

The repeal passed in 2011, it'll pass in 2012 and die in Harry Reid's Senate.

139 posted on 06/28/2012 9:07:42 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: nerdgirl

Thank you for your response.

I just don’t know what else to say.

When my wonderful man, Arpaio, and his Cold Case Posse come forth, this should send everything into a huge spin. How can any of these things with BO/BS’s signature be legal?

He is an illegal president; therefore, everything he signed and continues to sign is illegal and worthless.

I can’t wait for the Cold Case Posse to come forth.


140 posted on 06/28/2012 9:09:44 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Why am I not surprised? You expected a rational world? We lost that world when Americans voted for Obama by their own free choosing.


141 posted on 06/28/2012 9:10:11 AM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: MuttTheHoople
The American public are zombies. They love Obamacare UNTIL THEY SEE IT ON THEIR TAX FORMS, THEN THEY'LL BE PISSED. But, by that time Obamacare will be so deeply entrenched it will be impossible to stop it. It will be treated like an entitlement and have entitlements ever been dealt with? NO.

This is by far the worst decision SCOTUS has ever made. America died today. There's no other way to frame this. It's over.

142 posted on 06/28/2012 9:12:15 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: longtermmemmory
Good point. I can see the T-Shirts now..

"THE IRS IS MY DOCTOR"

143 posted on 06/28/2012 9:14:23 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Lazlo in PA

The ONLY surprising thing about this decision is how many people are surprised by it. Anyone with even just one foot in reality knew it would be upheld. But us “doomers and gloomers” were ridiculed. Well, who has the last laugh now? I knew just by the tenor of the (tough) questioning during the oral arguments that obamacare would be upheld.

It’s going to be fun listening to Hannity tonight. Last night he was bragging and crowing about the “devastating” one-two punch (obamacare and contempt vote) that would finish off obama today. Well, the first punch turned out to be nothing but wishful thinking. And the second punch? Even if Holder is voted in contempt, IT WILL BE COMPLETELY IGNORED BY THE MEDIA as they brag about a bi-partisan SCOTUS giving King obama everything he demanded. Ninety percent of the people in the US will never know about it. Hannity will be spinning like a top tonight.


144 posted on 06/28/2012 9:15:51 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

I was wondering the same thing.. EVERY DECISION OBAMA HAS MADE IS NULL AND VOID. When’s Arpaio’s news conference that the media will totally ignore?


145 posted on 06/28/2012 9:17:05 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Lazlo in PA

Been a while since my civics classes but I believe those kinds of things have to go through Congress. I don’t know how that can happen on Day 1.


146 posted on 06/28/2012 9:18:06 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Behind enemy lines in the city where it's illegal to buy a Big Gulp)
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To: Wurlitzer

“The last straw has just been placed on this citizen’s back.
This is no longer the country of limited government as designed and demanded by the founders.”

Could this Supreme Court ruling become a modern-day “Dred Scott” decision?


147 posted on 06/28/2012 9:19:35 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: chessplayer

I’m starting to wonder if the ‘contempt’ this is all a dog and pony show.. To appease Republicans but the vote being held on the same day SCOTUS upheld Obamacaer to protect Holder from media scrutiny. Speaker Boehner is a coward and a traitor.


148 posted on 06/28/2012 9:19:53 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: nerdgirl

As I’m sitting here trying to digest this, shock and outrage giving away to fatigue from getting up way too early...I’m beginning to agree that maybe this will galvanize people and help the “get out the vote” effort to boot Obama.


And, on the flip side, this will galvinize the Kings’s flagging campaign like nothing else could possibly have done. I have no hope or optimism whatsoever for November. I doubt we even hold onto the House.


149 posted on 06/28/2012 9:23:47 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: newzjunkey
According to FoxNews Radio, the House has schedule a repeal vote for July 11.

The repeal passed in 2011, it'll pass in 2012 and die in Harry Reid's Senate.


Is the House introducing the Supreme Court health care law or the orignal one passed by Piglosi and Ogabe for repeal /s?
150 posted on 06/28/2012 9:24:01 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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