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High court upholds key part of Obama health law
AP ^ | 06-28-12 | Mark Sherman

Posted on 06/28/2012 7:29:46 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA

The Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the individual insurance requirement at the heart of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

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To: xzins; wmfights; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper

Perhaps the worst part of this decision is that it stands for the proposition that the Supreme Court has no interest in the TRUTH.

Obama and the democrats insisted that this was not a TAX. They even argued that in court, but in the final analysis it was clear that unless the mandate was a TAX then it could not be constitutional even by the most liberal interpretation of the law. Then they changed tunes and claimed that it wasn’t a “penalty” but a tax. The Supreme Court then accepted that argument, ignored all the LIES that the Obama attorneys had said in court and then ruled on the basis that it was a TAX.

I think Daryl Issa should call a hearing on the procedures that the Supreme Court used on this case. He should call each and every Justice before his committee and ask them directly “DID YOU EVEN READ THIS LAW BEFORE YOU DECLARED IT CONSTITUTIONAL”.

If they are called, they will LIE. They don’t give a damn about the TRUTH.

We no longer are a Constitutional republic. We are an Oligarchy and a Dictatorship.

WE THE PEOPLE have no contract with this government.


151 posted on 06/28/2012 9:24:33 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I don’t see how this gets repealed. We’d need 66 seats in the Senate to get there...we’re nowhere near that.


152 posted on 06/28/2012 9:25:10 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Behind enemy lines in the city where it's illegal to buy a Big Gulp)
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To: newnhdad
The decision was clear. The fed govt can make you do anything, pay anything for anything as long as they call it a tax.

Absolutely unsurprising given the Wickard, Raich, Roe, and Kelo USSC cases.

153 posted on 06/28/2012 9:30:30 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I remember well all the smarty pants who condemned the Harriet Meirs nomination! So we got Roberts instead! Way to go!


154 posted on 06/28/2012 9:33:00 AM PDT by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Bottom Line: Obama LIED, and Freedom DIED!!


155 posted on 06/28/2012 9:34:38 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: scooby321

I doubt Harriet Meirs would have done this tho, Bush’s FIRST choice til all the crybabies protested.


156 posted on 06/28/2012 9:37:54 AM PDT by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

“When’s Arpaio’s news conference that the media will totally ignore?”

I read a couple of days ago or so it will come in 2 or 3 weeks.

He is trying to get all his facts airtight. Until then, but not before that.

It is my uneducated guess he has been waiting:

1. To get all his facts airtight.

2. Drop the bombshell after the SC had its say.

But then, I don’t own a Cristal ball.


157 posted on 06/28/2012 9:41:22 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Great couple days, eh? First the AZ ruling and now this. obama is handing our asses to us on a platter. I’m not even confidant of the Holder contempt vote. Not that most of the country would ever hear of it anyway if he is voted in contempt.


158 posted on 06/28/2012 9:43:00 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Mountain Mary
Who knew Roberts was a lib..and a coward.

I knew and warned people. It was obvious when he swore in Hussein not once, not twice but supposedly three times and two of those behind closed doors. Just what happened behind those doors, huh? Roberts was a party to whatever that was and "they" had him from that moment on.

159 posted on 06/28/2012 9:46:55 AM PDT by bgill
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To: b4its2late

“””Be ready to embrace Medicaid like coverage for all”””

The only problem with that is the Supreme Court allowed the States to opt out of the Medicaid expansion! The Federal Government can not withhold the Medicaid payments for the states opting out!

Time to buck up get Zero out of office replace Roberts with a true conservative on the court. Kennedy has proven to be more conservative than Roberts. Roberts is a liberal in conservative clothing!!!


160 posted on 06/28/2012 9:48:52 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Personal Responsibility

I don’t see how this gets repealed. We’d need 66 seats in the Senate to get there...we’re nowhere near that.


Repealed like Roe vs Wade? How many decades have we been promising to repeal that? You’re right. We’re stuck with obamacare forever.


161 posted on 06/28/2012 9:49:50 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: 2harddrive

This just f’d-up a wonderful vacation. I would have been fine until I returned from my trip in the mountains if it wasn’t for a text message from a disgusted patriot. I needed my cell phone on for emergency.

Does anyone see this getting resloved short of open rebellion?


162 posted on 06/28/2012 9:55:03 AM PDT by Never on my watch (I'd rather light a candle than curse the flatulence.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I am reading through the decision now. Here is a remarkable quote from the decision (page 6)

“Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”

Full decision found here:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf


163 posted on 06/28/2012 9:56:51 AM PDT by ThirdMate
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To: ThirdMate
Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices

Well there is truth to that statement
164 posted on 06/28/2012 10:17:56 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Mountain Mary

As my post on this forum will verify, I am sad to admit that I suspected. Roberts has no respect for anyone’s liberty nor any kind of limited Constitution of free civil government.


165 posted on 06/28/2012 10:17:56 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Lazlo in PA

In my opinion, this decision paves the way and lays the ground work that will allow the government to mandate that every citizen must possess on their person - at all times - an identification, such as a mark, in order to conduct any type of transaction, health care, economic, or otherwise.


166 posted on 06/28/2012 10:17:59 AM PDT by Obadiah (2008: Hope & Change -- 2012: Fear & Destruction)
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To: cydcharisse
The idiot Bush strikes again.

But, but, Bush was a Wepublicant and you either had to be with him or you were with the terrorist. GW Bush did no wrong. He was as Conservative as George McGovern.

OK this is a prime example of why you do not vote for moderate/liberals in the GOP in the hopes of conservatism. The most important choice of his term and he screwed that up as well. Everyone thought his picks were so great well NOW WE SEE WHY BUSH PICKED HIM.

Yes Really and Trully Bush's Fault this time. We don't have a congress with a spine because all his friends got put in congress during his terms as well. Gee what a mess. No Romney for me. No More LIBERALS.

167 posted on 06/28/2012 10:18:35 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: ThirdMate

NICE! So they deflect it onto the citizen voter as a consequence of political choice vs. what it really is: the consequence of bad law (i.e. clearly unconstitutional law) and the court’s inability to call it as such. No intestinal fortitude whatsoever there comrades, you have been taught well - it’s always someone else’s fault.


168 posted on 06/28/2012 10:20:58 AM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: jackv

2 wrongs don’t make a right.


169 posted on 06/28/2012 10:21:00 AM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: yield 2 the right

Let us bring forth the Revolution, Let us defend our rights with the arms God has seen fit to give us!

If the Federal Constitution is an absolutism dead letter to despotism as Roberts has seen forth to make it we have nothing meaningful to preserve.


170 posted on 06/28/2012 10:21:33 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: JimRed
All the more reason that it is critical to take back the Senate and Presidency.

Yes but first there has to be someone to actually vote for. Mitt Romney is not that soneone. My vote goes to Goode. My two RINO Senators See Saw Corker and LaModerate Alexander I will never vote for.

171 posted on 06/28/2012 10:23:47 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: VikingMom

” What does Obama have on Roberts?”

I believe he and his family were threatened.

He can’t be this stupid.


172 posted on 06/28/2012 10:23:57 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: nerdgirl

” I’ll add that to me right now Roberts seems to have been swayed by a preoccupation with his own legacy, “

His legacy is now excrement.


174 posted on 06/28/2012 10:26:39 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: chessplayer

” Great couple days, eh? First the AZ ruling and now this. “

Like hell on earth.


175 posted on 06/28/2012 10:30:19 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I don’t care what it’s called. I don’t care how it’s rationalized. The intent of a piece of legislation is irrelevant. This ruling changes the United States just like Wickard v. Filburn in 1942. Even if Obamacare is repealed in its entirety the concept of an Individual Mandate has been found constitutional. That’s the hook upon which all future mandates will be hung. This is the fulcrum upon which every legislative crowbar will pivot.

The Legislative and Executive branches made the decision that the government should own the people. That it should have the power to penalize noncompliance with its wishes.

The Judicial branch has just decided that it agrees.

Your body is now the property of the U.S. Government as surely as if you volunteered for military service. Oh, it won’t be terribly drastic at first. All the current adults won’t stand for it. But the children… they will be taught to think differently than their parents and grandparents. The system is already in place. In every school, on every popular TV show, conditioning children to the new normal will begin. First unhealthy choices will be considered wrong. Next they will be considered offensive. Finally, they will be considered criminal. The criteria for ‘unhealthy’ will be decided by carefully selected Harvard graduates. Expertize in medicine will not be required.

Do I seem sad and pessimistic? Good, then I’ve managed to convey my true feelings.


176 posted on 06/28/2012 10:30:56 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: unixfox
"It's way past time for a tax revolt in this country. Refuse to file, refuse to pay and refuse to become slaves"

There aren't enough Jails to hold all of the Taxpayers, if they'd enmasse stop paying. The parasites would go nuts......

177 posted on 06/28/2012 10:34:12 AM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: drbuzzard

That is far too nice a fate for theses traitorous injustice!


178 posted on 06/28/2012 10:35:49 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: southernmomma

Also worthy of a contribution: http://leagueofamericanvoters.com/home.aspx


179 posted on 06/28/2012 10:37:54 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: P-Marlowe

Theses injustices care even less for liberty & constitutional law than they do for the truth.


180 posted on 06/28/2012 10:40:29 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: scooby321
Bush and Roberts are the worst

I do wish the Monthly Shrine worshiping Bush would disappear from the forum now. Thanks to Bush we have Chief Justice Roberts for many, many, more years to come.

181 posted on 06/28/2012 10:43:51 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: traditional1

I agree, they will only try to make an example of a small faction of us, but the vast majority will go unpunishable.

The real problem will be convening our employers to stop submitting our paychecks to the federal despots.


182 posted on 06/28/2012 10:44:45 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise; xzins; blue-duncan; wmfights; Forest Keeper
Theses injustices care even less for liberty & constitutional law than they do for the truth.

Obviously. Their holding on the Stolen Valor act clearly tells me that these justices appreciate liars. they believe that liars should be rewarded for their dissembling. Obama lies about this not being a tax and the SCOTUS rules that they don't care about the lies. They reward the liar with everything he had to lie to get.

Perhaps we should all start lying on our income tax forms. We can claim it is our first amendment right to lie about our income. If we lie enough we can get free stuff from the government from all those honest idiots who tell the truth on their income tax forms.

If we have a right to lie about medals we never earned, can't we likewise lie about money we did earn?

185 posted on 06/28/2012 10:53:53 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: Tzar

What we need is Term Limits on all government Branches elected or appointed. USSC should be no more than say 16 years. No judge should ever be appointed for life.


186 posted on 06/28/2012 11:02:12 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Tzar
“Well there is truth to that statement”

Then why not abolish the Supreme Court?


The Supreme court and the legal system in general are asses. The only thing that can save us is a moral and honorable people. As Franklin said, we have a republic IF WE CAN KEEP IT.

The fault for this is not the Supremes. Look at their past decisions, Dred Scott, Rove v. Wade, Weichert (spelling? says you cannot grow food for your own use), Kelo etc etc. The Supremes never have been a protector of freedom.

The fault for this is squarely with the voters who gave the RATS a filibuster proof 60 vote majority in the Senate.

History is not on our side. Civilizations have all corrupted and rotted from within. But at least, we can fight like hell so during our lifetime and maybe our children's we can preserve this beautiful country. That is something worth fighting for.
187 posted on 06/28/2012 11:04:20 AM PDT by fifedom
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Here's more interesting stuff from http://www.scotusblog.com/cover-it-live/ which is being updated all the time:

Speaker of the House John Boehner tweets: “House Republicans remain committed to ‪#FullRepeal‬ of the president’s health care law and all its tax hikes, fees and mandates” https://twitter.com/johnboehner/

Reporting on the tone in the Court room durring the announcements, Mike Sacks at Huff Po writes, "Summarizing his delicate decision from the bench, Roberts reminded his listeners that it is "not our job to save the people from the consequences of their political choices." Still, the decision appeared to do just that."

Also discussing the courtroom as the decision was handed down: Jeff Toobin tweets, "Roberts was red-eyed and unhappy as he read.” https://twitter.com/JeffreyToobin

At National Review Online Johnathan Adler offers some comfort for those unhappy with the decision, "...as I understand the ruling, the opinion does very little to enlarge the federal government’s power and, in key respects, reinforced federalism limitations on federal power. "

Ilya Somin at Volokh Conspiracy: Although the Supreme Court upheld the individual mandate as an exercise of the Tax Power, a majority of the justices also ruled that it is not a legitimate exercise of Congress’ powers under the Commerce Clause. In doing so, they endorsed the plaintiffs’ argument that the individual mandate exceeds the scope of the Commerce power because it does not regulate “economic activity,” but instead targets inactivity. http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/28/supreme-court-majority-endorses-activity-inactivity-distinction/

David Bernstein at Volokh Conspiracy writes, “I’m wondering whether a close reading of the opinions will somehow persuade me that the individual mandate can be a “tax” for constitutional purpose, but “not a tax” for Anti-Injunction Act purposes” http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/28/tax-or-not-a-tax/

Boehner had released this statement following the decision: “The president’s health care law is hurting our economy by driving up health costs and making it harder for small businesses to hire. Today’s ruling underscores the urgency of repealing this harmful law in its entirety. What Americans want is a common-sense, step-by-step approach to health care reform that will protect Americans’ access to the care they need, from the doctor they choose, at a lower cost. Republicans stand ready to work with a president who will listen to the people and will not repeat the mistakes that gave our country ObamaCare.” http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/speaker-boehner-statement-supreme-court-s-health-care-ruling

Randy concludes, "Academics are sure to react to today’s decision by declaring the New Federalism dead, but they would be wrong to do so. The Founder’s scheme of limited and enumerated powers has survived to fight another day."

At Bloomberg View, Noah Feldman says the Court took the cautious route by upholding the mandate but sent "a direct message to Democratic politicians who refused to call the mandate a tax: You should have told us the truth in the first place." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-28/roberts-chooses-restraint-over-history-on-obamacare.html

Boehner: "The Court makes a decision on whether the law is constitutional. It doesn't mean that he law is wise It doesn't mean that the law is good for the country."

Orin Kerr at Volokh: "The Chief Justice’s opinion finds an interesting middle ground in the battle of absolutes over the Affordable Care Act. Under the Chief Justice’s opinion, real economic mandates are beyond the power of Congress. Congress can’t force action where there was none. Congress can’t say you must act or else go to jail, for example. The individual mandate is constitutional because despite the name because it’s not really a mandate. Congress called it a mandate, to be sure, but in practice it’s really just a small tax." http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/28/the-mandate-survives-because-its-not-really-a-mandate/

MSNBC has a poll on the decision on the question "Do you agree with this ruling?" 58%: Yes. Roberts provides a rational, nuanced decision in upholding the law. 38.5%: No. The reasoning in this decision is fractured and incorrect. 3.4% I don't know. I'll have to read the whole decision along with the concurring and dissenting opinions before I decide myself. http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12459343-vote-do-you-agree-with-supreme-court-ruling-on-health-care-law?lite

188 posted on 06/28/2012 11:05:29 AM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: scooby321

What does one make of RINO Roberts at this point??????

He certainly upheld the law which the RINO supporting business interests need to bail them out of healthcare costs.

Roberts did the work of the kind of people who put W Bush and him into power.

Why don’t the businesses advocate less taxation and regulation to help their cause instead of bailouts, Obamacare etc.?

Roberts helped RINO Romney and the Congressional RINO leaders to be able to use Obamacare as an emotional wedge issue to draw in voters this fall to the GOP.

Romney will “repeal” Obamacare if he has the chance and replace it with Romneycare no doubt allowing states to mandate health insurance coverage to bail out business.

The RINO Roberts ruling is a win for RINO supporting business and RINO politicians all around.


189 posted on 06/28/2012 11:06:10 AM PDT by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: All

Does anybody STILL believe that voting will fix things?


190 posted on 06/28/2012 11:09:25 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: Lazlo in PA
Government run healthcare is unconstitutional...period!

Keying on the "taxation" that would fund it was a mistake and a cowardly and costly one at that.

And I had that POV even before the decision.

Reminds me of Clinton and all the impeachable offenses he committed. Yet all we did was concentrate on the Monica lie.

The Clinton impeachment and now this SC case. All seems like a setup. We are being lead like sheep.

191 posted on 06/28/2012 11:15:01 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: wastedyears

At least one person believes it:

Former Alaska Governor and 2008 Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin calls the Supreme Court ruling on President Obama’s controversial Health Care law, “A big bleeping deal.”

To the high court, Governor Palin sends her gratitude. “Thank you [Supreme Court]. This ‘Obamacare’ ruling fires up the troops as America’s eyes are opened! Thank God,” said Palin via an e-mail to this producer. “We will not retreat on this.”

Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/06/28/palin-thanks-supreme-court#ixzz1z74w5HQJ

The SCOTUS ruling and the gloating by the Dems is going to bring more independents over to our side. As bad as it might sound now, this helps us in the long run.


193 posted on 06/28/2012 11:16:51 AM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; wmfights; Forest Keeper
If we have a right to lie about medals we never earned, can't we likewise lie about money we did earn?

You can't lie about YOUR money. Dinchu know that?

It's all about the money. Just like with liberal churches who don't believe in God, Jesus, salvation, Bible, etc.

Except for the part about giving money. They do believe in that.

Liberals love YOUR money!

194 posted on 06/28/2012 11:23:30 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe

We are now a European socialist state.

Better to be of the German variety than the Spanish/Greek.

German Engineering, Baby!


195 posted on 06/28/2012 11:25:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: vpintheak
We are screwed. Are we giving in to tyrrany?We gave in to tyranny a long, long time ago. Who did anything after federal farming laws were passed. Who did anything to help out the freed blacks after the Jim Crow laws were passed? Who did anything after The Federal Firearms Act was passed? Who did anything when Patton led the Army against his own brothers in arms during the Bonus Army time? Answer: nothing. We accepted and embraced tyranny far before our current state of affairs.
196 posted on 06/28/2012 11:25:26 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: Tzar

So they can rule on things like the federal election —remember Florida and the recount

So they can rule on gun laws like the one in DC


197 posted on 06/28/2012 11:27:18 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: cripplecreek

It is taxation tyranny without representation ....since it goes against the will of MOST Americans. I believe a war was fought once over this very issue.


199 posted on 06/28/2012 11:48:22 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Did Kagan slip something into Robert’s drink? And no I’m not joking.. Obama put her on the court not only because she’s a Marxist, but because her ‘psy ops’ capabilities are quite good.


200 posted on 06/28/2012 11:49:17 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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