Skip to comments.High court upholds key part of Obama health law
Posted on 06/28/2012 7:29:46 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA
The Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the individual insurance requirement at the heart of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.
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Perhaps the worst part of this decision is that it stands for the proposition that the Supreme Court has no interest in the TRUTH.
Obama and the democrats insisted that this was not a TAX. They even argued that in court, but in the final analysis it was clear that unless the mandate was a TAX then it could not be constitutional even by the most liberal interpretation of the law. Then they changed tunes and claimed that it wasn’t a “penalty” but a tax. The Supreme Court then accepted that argument, ignored all the LIES that the Obama attorneys had said in court and then ruled on the basis that it was a TAX.
I think Daryl Issa should call a hearing on the procedures that the Supreme Court used on this case. He should call each and every Justice before his committee and ask them directly “DID YOU EVEN READ THIS LAW BEFORE YOU DECLARED IT CONSTITUTIONAL”.
If they are called, they will LIE. They don’t give a damn about the TRUTH.
We no longer are a Constitutional republic. We are an Oligarchy and a Dictatorship.
WE THE PEOPLE have no contract with this government.
I don’t see how this gets repealed. We’d need 66 seats in the Senate to get there...we’re nowhere near that.
Absolutely unsurprising given the Wickard, Raich, Roe, and Kelo USSC cases.
I remember well all the smarty pants who condemned the Harriet Meirs nomination! So we got Roberts instead! Way to go!
Bottom Line: Obama LIED, and Freedom DIED!!
I doubt Harriet Meirs would have done this tho, Bush’s FIRST choice til all the crybabies protested.
“When’s Arpaios news conference that the media will totally ignore?”
I read a couple of days ago or so it will come in 2 or 3 weeks.
He is trying to get all his facts airtight. Until then, but not before that.
It is my uneducated guess he has been waiting:
1. To get all his facts airtight.
2. Drop the bombshell after the SC had its say.
But then, I dont own a Cristal ball.
Great couple days, eh? First the AZ ruling and now this. obama is handing our asses to us on a platter. I’m not even confidant of the Holder contempt vote. Not that most of the country would ever hear of it anyway if he is voted in contempt.
I knew and warned people. It was obvious when he swore in Hussein not once, not twice but supposedly three times and two of those behind closed doors. Just what happened behind those doors, huh? Roberts was a party to whatever that was and "they" had him from that moment on.
“””Be ready to embrace Medicaid like coverage for all”””
The only problem with that is the Supreme Court allowed the States to opt out of the Medicaid expansion! The Federal Government can not withhold the Medicaid payments for the states opting out!
Time to buck up get Zero out of office replace Roberts with a true conservative on the court. Kennedy has proven to be more conservative than Roberts. Roberts is a liberal in conservative clothing!!!
I dont see how this gets repealed. Wed need 66 seats in the Senate to get there...were nowhere near that.
Repealed like Roe vs Wade? How many decades have we been promising to repeal that? You’re right. We’re stuck with obamacare forever.
This just f’d-up a wonderful vacation. I would have been fine until I returned from my trip in the mountains if it wasn’t for a text message from a disgusted patriot. I needed my cell phone on for emergency.
Does anyone see this getting resloved short of open rebellion?
I am reading through the decision now. Here is a remarkable quote from the decision (page 6)
“Those decisions are entrusted to our Nations elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”
Full decision found here:
As my post on this forum will verify, I am sad to admit that I suspected. Roberts has no respect for anyone’s liberty nor any kind of limited Constitution of free civil government.
In my opinion, this decision paves the way and lays the ground work that will allow the government to mandate that every citizen must possess on their person - at all times - an identification, such as a mark, in order to conduct any type of transaction, health care, economic, or otherwise.
But, but, Bush was a Wepublicant and you either had to be with him or you were with the terrorist. GW Bush did no wrong. He was as Conservative as George McGovern.
OK this is a prime example of why you do not vote for moderate/liberals in the GOP in the hopes of conservatism. The most important choice of his term and he screwed that up as well. Everyone thought his picks were so great well NOW WE SEE WHY BUSH PICKED HIM.
Yes Really and Trully Bush's Fault this time. We don't have a congress with a spine because all his friends got put in congress during his terms as well. Gee what a mess. No Romney for me. No More LIBERALS.
NICE! So they deflect it onto the citizen voter as a consequence of political choice vs. what it really is: the consequence of bad law (i.e. clearly unconstitutional law) and the court’s inability to call it as such. No intestinal fortitude whatsoever there comrades, you have been taught well - it’s always someone else’s fault.
2 wrongs don’t make a right.
Let us bring forth the Revolution, Let us defend our rights with the arms God has seen fit to give us!
If the Federal Constitution is an absolutism dead letter to despotism as Roberts has seen forth to make it we have nothing meaningful to preserve.
Yes but first there has to be someone to actually vote for. Mitt Romney is not that soneone. My vote goes to Goode. My two RINO Senators See Saw Corker and LaModerate Alexander I will never vote for.
” What does Obama have on Roberts?”
I believe he and his family were threatened.
He can’t be this stupid.
” Ill add that to me right now Roberts seems to have been swayed by a preoccupation with his own legacy, “
His legacy is now excrement.
” Great couple days, eh? First the AZ ruling and now this. “
Like hell on earth.
I don’t care what it’s called. I don’t care how it’s rationalized. The intent of a piece of legislation is irrelevant. This ruling changes the United States just like Wickard v. Filburn in 1942. Even if Obamacare is repealed in its entirety the concept of an Individual Mandate has been found constitutional. That’s the hook upon which all future mandates will be hung. This is the fulcrum upon which every legislative crowbar will pivot.
The Legislative and Executive branches made the decision that the government should own the people. That it should have the power to penalize noncompliance with its wishes.
The Judicial branch has just decided that it agrees.
Your body is now the property of the U.S. Government as surely as if you volunteered for military service. Oh, it wont be terribly drastic at first. All the current adults wont stand for it. But the children they will be taught to think differently than their parents and grandparents. The system is already in place. In every school, on every popular TV show, conditioning children to the new normal will begin. First unhealthy choices will be considered wrong. Next they will be considered offensive. Finally, they will be considered criminal. The criteria for unhealthy will be decided by carefully selected Harvard graduates. Expertize in medicine will not be required.
Do I seem sad and pessimistic? Good, then Ive managed to convey my true feelings.
There aren't enough Jails to hold all of the Taxpayers, if they'd enmasse stop paying. The parasites would go nuts......
That is far too nice a fate for theses traitorous injustice!
Also worthy of a contribution: http://leagueofamericanvoters.com/home.aspx
Theses injustices care even less for liberty & constitutional law than they do for the truth.
I do wish the Monthly Shrine worshiping Bush would disappear from the forum now. Thanks to Bush we have Chief Justice Roberts for many, many, more years to come.
I agree, they will only try to make an example of a small faction of us, but the vast majority will go unpunishable.
The real problem will be convening our employers to stop submitting our paychecks to the federal despots.
Obviously. Their holding on the Stolen Valor act clearly tells me that these justices appreciate liars. they believe that liars should be rewarded for their dissembling. Obama lies about this not being a tax and the SCOTUS rules that they don't care about the lies. They reward the liar with everything he had to lie to get.
Perhaps we should all start lying on our income tax forms. We can claim it is our first amendment right to lie about our income. If we lie enough we can get free stuff from the government from all those honest idiots who tell the truth on their income tax forms.
If we have a right to lie about medals we never earned, can't we likewise lie about money we did earn?
What we need is Term Limits on all government Branches elected or appointed. USSC should be no more than say 16 years. No judge should ever be appointed for life.
Speaker of the House John Boehner tweets: House Republicans remain committed to #FullRepeal of the presidents health care law and all its tax hikes, fees and mandates https://twitter.com/johnboehner/
Reporting on the tone in the Court room durring the announcements, Mike Sacks at Huff Po writes, "Summarizing his delicate decision from the bench, Roberts reminded his listeners that it is "not our job to save the people from the consequences of their political choices." Still, the decision appeared to do just that."
Also discussing the courtroom as the decision was handed down: Jeff Toobin tweets, "Roberts was red-eyed and unhappy as he read. https://twitter.com/JeffreyToobin
At National Review Online Johnathan Adler offers some comfort for those unhappy with the decision, "...as I understand the ruling, the opinion does very little to enlarge the federal governments power and, in key respects, reinforced federalism limitations on federal power. "
Ilya Somin at Volokh Conspiracy: Although the Supreme Court upheld the individual mandate as an exercise of the Tax Power, a majority of the justices also ruled that it is not a legitimate exercise of Congress powers under the Commerce Clause. In doing so, they endorsed the plaintiffs argument that the individual mandate exceeds the scope of the Commerce power because it does not regulate economic activity, but instead targets inactivity. http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/28/supreme-court-majority-endorses-activity-inactivity-distinction/
David Bernstein at Volokh Conspiracy writes, Im wondering whether a close reading of the opinions will somehow persuade me that the individual mandate can be a tax for constitutional purpose, but not a tax for Anti-Injunction Act purposes http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/28/tax-or-not-a-tax/
Boehner had released this statement following the decision: The presidents health care law is hurting our economy by driving up health costs and making it harder for small businesses to hire. Todays ruling underscores the urgency of repealing this harmful law in its entirety. What Americans want is a common-sense, step-by-step approach to health care reform that will protect Americans access to the care they need, from the doctor they choose, at a lower cost. Republicans stand ready to work with a president who will listen to the people and will not repeat the mistakes that gave our country ObamaCare. http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/speaker-boehner-statement-supreme-court-s-health-care-ruling
Randy concludes, "Academics are sure to react to todays decision by declaring the New Federalism dead, but they would be wrong to do so. The Founders scheme of limited and enumerated powers has survived to fight another day."
At Bloomberg View, Noah Feldman says the Court took the cautious route by upholding the mandate but sent "a direct message to Democratic politicians who refused to call the mandate a tax: You should have told us the truth in the first place." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-28/roberts-chooses-restraint-over-history-on-obamacare.html
Boehner: "The Court makes a decision on whether the law is constitutional. It doesn't mean that he law is wise It doesn't mean that the law is good for the country."
Orin Kerr at Volokh: "The Chief Justices opinion finds an interesting middle ground in the battle of absolutes over the Affordable Care Act. Under the Chief Justices opinion, real economic mandates are beyond the power of Congress. Congress cant force action where there was none. Congress cant say you must act or else go to jail, for example. The individual mandate is constitutional because despite the name because its not really a mandate. Congress called it a mandate, to be sure, but in practice its really just a small tax." http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/28/the-mandate-survives-because-its-not-really-a-mandate/
MSNBC has a poll on the decision on the question "Do you agree with this ruling?" 58%: Yes. Roberts provides a rational, nuanced decision in upholding the law. 38.5%: No. The reasoning in this decision is fractured and incorrect. 3.4% I don't know. I'll have to read the whole decision along with the concurring and dissenting opinions before I decide myself. http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12459343-vote-do-you-agree-with-supreme-court-ruling-on-health-care-law?lite
What does one make of RINO Roberts at this point??????
He certainly upheld the law which the RINO supporting business interests need to bail them out of healthcare costs.
Roberts did the work of the kind of people who put W Bush and him into power.
Why don’t the businesses advocate less taxation and regulation to help their cause instead of bailouts, Obamacare etc.?
Roberts helped RINO Romney and the Congressional RINO leaders to be able to use Obamacare as an emotional wedge issue to draw in voters this fall to the GOP.
Romney will “repeal” Obamacare if he has the chance and replace it with Romneycare no doubt allowing states to mandate health insurance coverage to bail out business.
The RINO Roberts ruling is a win for RINO supporting business and RINO politicians all around.
Does anybody STILL believe that voting will fix things?
Keying on the "taxation" that would fund it was a mistake and a cowardly and costly one at that.
And I had that POV even before the decision.
Reminds me of Clinton and all the impeachable offenses he committed. Yet all we did was concentrate on the Monica lie.
The Clinton impeachment and now this SC case. All seems like a setup. We are being lead like sheep.
At least one person believes it:
Former Alaska Governor and 2008 Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin calls the Supreme Court ruling on President Obama’s controversial Health Care law, “A big bleeping deal.”
To the high court, Governor Palin sends her gratitude. “Thank you [Supreme Court]. This Obamacare’ ruling fires up the troops as America’s eyes are opened! Thank God,” said Palin via an e-mail to this producer. “We will not retreat on this.”
The SCOTUS ruling and the gloating by the Dems is going to bring more independents over to our side. As bad as it might sound now, this helps us in the long run.
You can't lie about YOUR money. Dinchu know that?
It's all about the money. Just like with liberal churches who don't believe in God, Jesus, salvation, Bible, etc.
Except for the part about giving money. They do believe in that.
Liberals love YOUR money!
We are now a European socialist state.
Better to be of the German variety than the Spanish/Greek.
German Engineering, Baby!
So they can rule on things like the federal election —remember Florida and the recount
So they can rule on gun laws like the one in DC
It is taxation tyranny without representation ....since it goes against the will of MOST Americans. I believe a war was fought once over this very issue.
Did Kagan slip something into Robert’s drink? And no I’m not joking.. Obama put her on the court not only because she’s a Marxist, but because her ‘psy ops’ capabilities are quite good.