Just a Hello?
Posted on 06/28/2012 1:36:31 PM PDT by stpio
The Coming US Supreme Court Decision
Via Anonymous Visionary - Locutions to the World
(yet-to-be-approved)
Nov 15, 2011
164. The Coming Supreme Court Decision
Mary:
Those in power lay truth is laid aside and pick up lies instead. Armed with lies, they believe that they can easily conquer and deceive the people. Their lies are spread out before them, like in battle array. They know which lies to send out first (to soften people up so to speak). Then, they can bring out the hard lies that will shake people's convictions and have them give up what they hold on to as true.
This is the political game which Satan, the father of lies, orchestrates so that people whom he controls can gain power. But, I know his game. I see his strategy and I know what needs to be done to foil his plots. So, let us begin. This is what I will do.
I will take the people whom he holds in his grasp and I will publicly strip them of all credibility. I will use the truth, the truth that reveals their hearts, their misdeeds and their evil intention. When you see this happen, one after another, when one after another of your political leaders and those who share their power are exposed by the truth, then you know that I am working to bring about elections that will be held in the truth.
The great MOMENT OF EXPOSURE will take place when the Supreme Court passes judgment on the health care. This will force all the truth to the surface. Nothing will be able to be hidden. It will all gush forth for all to see. This decision will be so much in the limelight that no hidden powers (the behind the scenes powers) will be able to cover up the darkness that took place. When this decision is handed down it will level off the playing field. Truth will have a chance to emerge.
In all of this, you can see that your heavenly Mother is doing all she can to make this election an election of truth. But all must do their part. Live in the truth. Demand the truth from your leaders. Propagate the truth by every possible means. There will be surprising moments and unbelievable revelations about what has happened. I am the Mother of truth.
Wrong! Read my post. Wrong.
>> “and Hail Mary as the Angel declared” <<
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The angel Gabriel said hello to Mary as he approached her, as any person would do when approaching a stranger.
Its not right to inflate that into a violation of the second commandment. She is our fellow servant, and nothing more.
“Nowhere in God’s word is there any assignment for Mary but that of rearing a family, which she did. Her many children are noted in several places, but nothing else beyond the providing of water for the first miracle.”
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The first miracle is a lesson. Our Lord wasn’t ready, He said it, but Jesus honored His mother’s request. The same today. You can pray to Mary for help. Our Lord especially desires you speak to her in prayer. Do not give me the “one mediator” verse. When you pray for a loved one to Jesus or the Father, you are a subordinate mediator. An intercessor so you believe you can intercede with prayer, think how powerful the saint’s intercession to God is for us.
Important, you didn’t and neither did the original “reformers” but others after them rejected Mary to distance themselves from Catholicism. Please do not take it personally. Mary cannot appear to those who reject the Church, instead, profess heresies. There may be exceptions to this in history that God permits. HANG ON, you will especially love and honor Mary, understand her place in redemption..at or after the “awakening” Rev 6:12-17. She loves you~~! You can speak to her now in prayer.
True, everyone agrees, God knows all of time. Satan (the serpent) despises Mary, he was given knowledge of her place in our Redemption and said no. This why Mary is spoken of in the first book of the Bible and the last book of the Bible and in between. She has a special place in the plan of Redemption.
Our Lord calls His mother “woman” several times. No where in Scripture does a son call his mother “woman.” Jesus knows the plan, Our Lord calls Mary “woman” to help everyone see, she’s the “woman.” The objection, the “woman” in Rev 12:1 is the Church or Israel not Mary. Some Bible verses have more than one meaning, same on events described. ABOVE any other meaning, the “woman” in Revelation 12:1 is Mary.
Rev 12:6 and 14 - God protects His faithful when they are persecuted. The coming and it’s happening right now, the deadly persecution of Christians. Mary, who is mother to everyone, she is the “woman” who will help watch over the faithful in hiding during this persecution in the Great Tribulation which is soon. Ask your guardian angel when the time comes, in the name of Jesus Christ, to guide you and your family to a place of refuge. Believe. The faithful will not be detected at these places of refuge.
Genesis 3:15
I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
Rev 12:1
And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:6
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her a thousand two hundred sixty days.
12:14
And there were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the desert unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
And Jesus also “scolded” the gentile woman at the well for an ostensibly inappropriate request, but when she answered wisely, He yielded.
So much is being allegedly deduced from so little biblical basis. Jesus did not teach “our Mother who art in heaven.” Why bother with “our Father” if that’s truly penny ante stuff and “our Mother” is millions of dollars?
She is being painted as having some kind of super clout under the gospel, to the point that getting her prayers are worth getting uncounted prayers of mortals on earth.
This practically begs for the question to be asked, since she isn’t (as God is) omniscient or omnipresent, does she max out trying to serve all these requests at some point?
Just a Hello?
That is what it really says.
As Paul says, the dead in Christ presently sleep, so perhaps she sleep walks?
You wrote:
“We’re not blind Vlad;”
You sure seem to be using a Lamkin Blind Walking Cane so I can’t help but see your blindness.
“catholic practices exude idolatry to Bible believers.”
To ignorant people who mistakenly believe they believe the Bible but who have never read or understood Exodus 25:18-20, Ezekiel 41:17–18, Num. 21:8–9,1 Kgs. 6:29–32, 8:6–66; and especially 2 Chr. 3:7–14 any mistaken conclusion about orthodox Christian practice is possible.
Remember, you claimed this: “Remember the second commandment (the one that the catholics leave out)”
And, of course, you were objectively wrong.
Then you did use a link I posted because it was a Vatican website - of the very verses you accused Catholics of leaving out.
The truth is the truth. You posted an outright falsehood. You were objectively wrong. Case closed.
That IS interesting. What happens at the general resurrection of believers? Do we get to see Mary in the flesh again? Biblical Christians say yes we do. But she’s going to be awful busy answering all that worldwide hailing, isn’t she? Or is she going to be like, knock it off already you silly gooses!
I’m quite sure that Mary will be just as annoyed at the worship as the angel in Revelation was when John fell at his feet.
We can’t blame Mary for all this idolatry.
Give it up Vlad, your spiritual pants are around your ankles.
Since the living Lord occasionally put in appearances as an angel in the Old Testament, it’s understandable why John, who was no spiritual dolt, might have made that mistake thinking it was another divine apparition. The angel made it clear that he wasn’t one. And if an angel didn’t want even mistaken worship, why would a saint want it if it were possible to speak to him or her? The kneeling, the kissing of icons? Jesus accepted worship, which was a sign of his divinity, but he never is recorded as demanding that anyone addressing him stand on ceremony.
You wrote:
“Give it up Vlad, your spiritual pants are around your ankles.”
Just remember, scripture stands against you.
"And if an angel didn’t want even mistaken worship, why would a saint want it if it were possible to speak to him or her? The kneeling, the kissing of icons?"
Really?
There was a lot more going on in those verses than pat stereo types of kneeling meaning worshiping. Maybe the angel knew John was thinking he was God himself.
Also How to you explain Jesus going to have people kneel and bow to the Saints of Philadelphia.
Revelation 3:
7 `"And to the messenger of the assembly in Philadelphia write: These things saith he who is holy, he who is true, he who is having the key of David, he who is opening and no one doth shut, and he shutteth and no one doth open!
8 I have known thy works; lo, I have set before thee a door -- opened, and no one is able to shut it, because thou hast a little power, and didst keep my word, and didst not deny my name;
9 lo, I make of the synagogue of the Adversary those saying themselves to be Jews, and are not, but do lie; lo, I will make them that they may come and BOW BEFORE THY FEET, and may know that I loved thee."
So here is an example of kneeling before Saints by Jesus's own words.
Hhhmmmmmmmm......
The “synagogue of the adversary” is more literally rendered in evangelical bibles as “synagogue of Satan.”
It’s talking about an evil pretending congregation. The bowing down is not as of worship, but as submission of the incorrigibly guilty to the righteous.
Not at all the same thing which Catholics say they should render to Mary.
I did not type that it was worship.
Once a stereotype always a stereotype.
Hello! Reread. Stop misquoting my statements.
You see I put kneeling does not mean worship. I call it a pat stereotype. Since Christ has kneeling to saints we catholics call it veneration not worship.
Well it wouldn’t be the polite “doulia” of Catholic theory about Mary-hailing either.
It would be like, get down maggots or I’ll smite you.
V. Posture in Prayer, Veneration and Worship
Deut. 5:9 - God’s command, “you shall not bow down to them” means “do not worship them.” But not all bowing is worship. Here God’s command is connected to false worship.
Rev. 3:9 - Jesus said people would bow down before the faithful members of the church of Philadelphia. This bowing before the faithful is not worship, just as kissing a picture of a family member is not worship.
Gen. 19:1 - Lot bowed down to the ground in veneration before two angels in Sodom.
Gen. 24:52 - Abraham’s servant bowed himself to the earth before the Lord.
Gen. 42:6 - Joseph’s brothers bow before Joseph with the face to the ground.
Jos. 5:14 - Joshua fell to the ground prostrate in veneration before an angel.
1 Sam. 28:14 - Saul bows down before Samuel with his face to the ground in honor and veneration.
1 Kings 1:23 - the prophet Nathan bows down before King David.
2 Kings 2:15 - the sons of the prophets bow down to Elisha at Jericho.
1 Chron. 21:21 - Ornan the Jebusite did obeisance to king David with his face to the ground.
1 Chron. 29:20 - Israelites bowed down to worship God and give honor to the king.
2 Chron. 29:29-30 - King Hezekiah and the assembly venerate the altar by bowing down in worship before the sin offerings.
Tobit 12:16 - Tobiah and Tobit fell down to the ground in veneration before the angel Raphael.
Judith 14:7 - Achior the Ammonite kneels before Judith venerating her and praising God.
Psalm 138:2 - David bows down before God’s Holy Temple.
Dan. 2:46 - the king fell down on his face paying homage to Daniel and commands that an offering be made to him.
Dan. 8:17 - Daniel fell down prostrate in veneration before the angel Gabriel.
1 Macc. 4:40,55 - Judas and the faithful fell face down to the ground to praise heaven and worship God.
2 Macc. 10:4,26; 13:12 - Maccabeus and his followers fall down prostrate praying to God.
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IV. Veneration / Honor of the Saints
Matt. 18:10 - the angels in heaven always behold the face of God. We venerate them for their great dignity and union with God.
Matt. 15:4; Luke 18:20; Eph. 6:2-3 Exodus 20:12; Lev. 19:3; Deut. 5:16 - we are instructed to honor our father and mother.
Luke 1:28 - the angel Gabriel venerates Mary by declaring to her “Hail, full of grace.” The heavenly angel honors the human Mary, for her perfection of grace exceeds that of the angels.
Romans 13:7 - we are to give honor where honor is due. When we honor God’s children, we honor God Himself, for He is the source of all honor.
1 Cor. 4:16 - the most important form of veneration of the saints is “imitating” the saints, as Paul commands us to do.
1 Cor. 11:1 - again, Paul says, “Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.” The ultimate objective of veneration is imitation.
Phil. 2:25-29 - Paul teaches us to honor Epaprhoditus who almost died for the faith. How much more honor is owed to the saints that did die for the faith!
Phil. 3:17 - Paul says to imitate him and others, which is the goal of veneration. Veneration is not worship.
1 Thess. 1:6 – Paul says to the Thessalonians, “You became imitators of us and of the Lord.” This is the goal of veneration.
2 Thess. 3:7 - Paul says that the Thessalonians should imitate him and the other bishops.
Hebrews 3:3 - Jesus is worthy of “more” glory and honor than Moses. This does not mean that the saints are worthy of no glory and honor. Instead, it proves that saintly people are worthy of glory and honor out of God’s goodness.
Heb. 6:12 – the author teaches us to be imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Heb. 13:7 - we must imitate the faith of our faithful leaders. We ask for their intercession and venerate them for their holiness.
James 5:10-11 – James teaches us to take heart in the examples of the prophets and Job, who endured suffering.
1 Peter 2:17 - Peter teaches us to honor all men, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the emperor. Don’t those living with Christ in heaven deserve honor? Catholics believe they do, and honor them with special feast days, just as we honor those living by celebrating their birthdays.
Gen. 19:1 - Lot venerates the two angels in Sodom, bowing himself with his face to the ground.
Gen. 42:6 - Joseph’s brothers bow before Joseph with the face to the ground. This is veneration, not worship.
Exodus 28:2 - it is especially important to honor religious leaders. Sacred garments for Aaron give him dignity and honor.
Lev. 19:32- we should also honor “the face of an old man.” When the elderly die in Christ, we should continue honoring them, because death does not separate them from us or the love of Christ.
1 Sam. 28:14 - Saul bows down before Samuel with his face to the ground in veneration.
2 Chron. 32:33 - Hezekiah was honored at his death. We honor our brothers and sisters in the Lord.
Sir. 44:1-2 - we should praise and give honor to those who the Lord apportioned great glory. It is our family in Christ.
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