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House holds Holder in contempt over ‘Fast and Furious’ documents
The Washington Times ^ | June 27,2012 | By Stephen Dinan

Posted on 06/28/2012 1:57:57 PM PDT by Hojczyk

The 256-67 vote amounted to a political spanking for Mr. Holder and President Obama, and 17 Democrats joined with Republicans in demanding the documents be released. Most Democrats, however, walked out in protest of the vote.

It marks the first time an attorney general has been held in contempt by a chamber.

But the White House dismissed the proceedings as a sideshow, and the vote does nothing to break the impasse, though it further poisoned feelings in an already bitterly divided chamber.

“No Justice Department is above the law, and no Justice Department is above the Constitution,” said House Speaker John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 06/28/2012 1:58:02 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Really? How much would you like to bet they are not brave enough to right thing and impeach and arrest him like the filthy criminal thug he is? He is responsible for the murders of hundreds of individuals both Mexican and American.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 2:00:05 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Hojczyk

Good.

Holder is a contemptible little fascist toad ... Glad to see the House find him so.

Issa should pursue this matter to conclusion by all possible means. Arming violent drug cartels is a huge scandal, and should be publicly affixed to the Zero Administration with superglue and deck screws.


3 posted on 06/28/2012 2:02:52 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Hojczyk

DId those who left the chamber vote before they left....Easy Spin: Didn’t want to support an illegal action, so they walked before the vote.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 2:04:40 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: Hojczyk
Democrats said they aren’t defending the gun-walking operation, but said
the committee should leave Mr. Holder alone.


Leave Eric alone!

5 posted on 06/28/2012 2:06:16 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Hojczyk

I don’t know if it will do anything about Holder but it shows that at least the House GOP has a spine.


6 posted on 06/28/2012 2:06:25 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Hojczyk
Most Democrats, however, walked out in protest of the vote.

What I don't understand is that they are paid to represent their constituents and vote. Why aren't they called to task for this?
7 posted on 06/28/2012 2:18:16 PM PDT by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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To: hoosiermama
DId those who left the chamber vote before they left...
Well, let's see...

The 256-67 vote...
And that's 323 votes...435 members in the House...
About 100 votes missing. (snicker...they could only get about 1/4 to walk out)

Even if the vote went along party lines the Dems knew they couldn't stop it.

Pure theatrics.

8 posted on 06/28/2012 2:20:31 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

What is the Constitution you speak of.. best I thought we were now using ROBERTS rules of order instead.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 2:23:42 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: philman_36

Contempt means nothing unless he is actually taken into custody and his freedom restricted. Ask Charlie Rangel.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 2:24:31 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Bidimus1; Fantasywriter
...best I thought we were now using ROBERTS rules of order instead.

Ohhhhh, that's really good!

FW, a very witty comment worth a ping.

11 posted on 06/28/2012 2:27:26 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Hojczyk
... the vote does nothing to break the impasse, though it further poisoned feelings in an already bitterly divided chamber...

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Good.

Has the GOP finally figured out that the Dems play for KEEPS while the Repubs play for BIPARTISANSHIP and COMPROMISE?

The GOP needs to wake up and realize that this is no longer a "reach across the aisle" type of government. This is war.

Their way of thinking is completely different from our way of thinking. Their view of the Constitution is anathema to our view. Their dream of utopia involves gummint checks for all and freedom for none. Our view, which rejects all utopian dreams, allows everyone the right and the ability to scrimp, save and struggle their way to prosperity and happiness, to fail if that be their lot, and to be left the hell alone.

Case in point ... has Harry Reid said ANYTHING that sounds even remotely "American" in the last year or two?

12 posted on 06/28/2012 2:31:31 PM PDT by DNME (Prepare ... quickly. Time grows short.)
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To: philman_36

Thanx, but I’m still giggling over you caught ‘in action’ on the home videos you forgot to destroy. That was even funnier than your first bon mot, which I wouldn’t have thought possible.


13 posted on 06/28/2012 2:32:57 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Hojczyk

So, what happens next?


14 posted on 06/28/2012 2:34:54 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Fantasywriter
{;^)
15 posted on 06/28/2012 2:35:18 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Hojczyk

256-67?

8-|

YAY!


16 posted on 06/28/2012 2:39:33 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: philman_36
About 100 votes missing. (snicker...they could only get about 1/4 to walk out)

That is over 1/2 of the democrats
17 posted on 06/28/2012 2:45:32 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: glorgau
Contempt means nothing unless he is actually taken into custody and his freedom restricted.
Perhaps, and perhaps not.
Let's just wait and see what happens in the Senate, shall we.
Get the vote and then do the punishment.

Some say it's moot as the Dems rule the Senate...
Democrat - 51 seats
Republican - 47 seats

If just a couple of Dems drop part lines and vote for a contempt charge...what interesting times we live in.

18 posted on 06/28/2012 2:45:36 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: glorgau
Oops...1 Independent; 1 Independent Democrat
Can't forget Lieberman and Sanders.
I'd count those as "No" votes. Maybe 1 and 1 for a tie, at best.
19 posted on 06/28/2012 2:48:16 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: uncbob
That is over 1/2 of the democrats
And? The other half stayed.
Their votes are important to their constituents, aren't they?
20 posted on 06/28/2012 2:49:56 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: aquila48
So, what happens next?
It goes to the Senate and they get their turn to vote on the contempt charge.
21 posted on 06/28/2012 2:52:46 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

So why didn’t they vote before they walked.

By walking before they voted, they can say they didn’t vote to support the illegal actions of 0 and WithHolder.

They sertainly weren’t there supporting the scum.


22 posted on 06/28/2012 2:59:05 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: philman_36

It doesn’t go to the Senate. Civil goes to a lawyer where the papers can be ordered given to the committee. The earlier vote simply sends it to a lawyer under Holder...a career ending case.


23 posted on 06/28/2012 3:04:04 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: hoosiermama

Another nail in the political coffin for the obama led socialist democrats. We will be seeing a lot more of the democrat frauds walking out the door come November.


24 posted on 06/28/2012 3:06:36 PM PDT by spawn44 (moo)
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To: aquila48

It does NOT go to the Senate....Civil case goes directly to a lawyer and probably ends up at the SCOTUS. Easlier action is handled within the JustUS department.


25 posted on 06/28/2012 3:06:42 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya.".. he's lying now or then?)
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To: Hojczyk
that AND five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at $tarbuck$ too...
26 posted on 06/28/2012 3:31:53 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: hoosiermama; glorgau; aquila48
Civil goes to a lawyer where the papers can be ordered given to the committee.

I stand corrected...thanks hoosiermama.

U.S. Attorney Could Ignore Holder Contempt Citation WSJournal
Under federal law, the House contempt citation goes next to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, who would be responsible for bringing the matter to a grand jury and beginning possible criminal prosecution of his boss, Mr. Holder.

Well this looks like it is going to go nowhere.

27 posted on 06/28/2012 3:34:00 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: hoosiermama
I should have remembered... The Justice Department’s chief precedent on the issue is a 1984 opinion issued by Office of Legal Counsel. The opinion by Ted Olson, highly regarded among conservatives, says a U.S. attorney “is not required to refer a congressional contempt citation to a grand jury or otherwise to prosecute an executive branch official who carries out the President’s instruction to invoke the President’s claim of executive privilege before a committee of Congress.”

People familiar with the matter said that precedent is expected to help form the Justice Department response.

The last time Mr. Olson’s opinion came into play was in February 2008, when the Democratic-controlled House voted to hold two senior aides to President George W. Bush, Josh Bolten and Harriet Miers, in contempt of Congress over another documents dispute. On Feb. 29, 2008, then-Attorney General Michael Mukasey wrote to then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that Justice wouldn’t take any action against the two aides.

Nope, won't go far at all, IMO.

28 posted on 06/28/2012 3:38:38 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: glorgau

‘Contempt means nothing unless he is actually taken into custody and his freedom restricted’

Exxactly!!! Unless Holder is kicked out of office and bought up on charges this contempt charge is but meaningless rhetoric to quiet down the few that are actually paying attention to what is going on.


29 posted on 06/28/2012 3:53:37 PM PDT by doc
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To: formosa
Really? How much would you like to bet they are not brave enough to right thing and impeach and arrest him like the filthy criminal thug he is? He is responsible for the murders of hundreds of individuals both Mexican and American.

The whole mess ends here. Nothing will happen because of this vote. It's a strong gesture, but nothing else.

30 posted on 06/28/2012 4:02:57 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Hojczyk
Won't mean a damn thing. King Obama will just slap the House wrist.
31 posted on 06/28/2012 4:07:14 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: DNME

“Case in point ... has Harry Reid said ANYTHING that sounds even remotely “American” in the last year or two?”

He called the TEA party terrorists, demonizing the innocent just like the piece of Nazi white trash that he is.


32 posted on 06/28/2012 4:16:23 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Hojczyk

This is a day that will live in infamy, when the supreme court betrayed the whole nation, and democrats would not stand for justice.


33 posted on 06/28/2012 5:22:13 PM PDT by ully2
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To: philman_36

And voted against it except for the 17
Walking out voting against it same thing


34 posted on 06/28/2012 5:43:16 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob
Walking out voting against it same thing
No, it's not the same thing. (I'm not trying to be obstinate here)
Votes are recorded. There are only three results. Yes, No and Not Voting.
Not voting is not the same thing as voting "No" as no vote is cast either way.

Not voting by walking out is simply not having to cast a vote so that there is no record of how you voted on that particular issue. It's a means of not being held accountable for inaction.

And when you think about it, they didn't even consider the man worthy of defending with their "No" vote and that is more telling than anything else they could have done!

35 posted on 06/28/2012 10:39:22 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: uncbob
And as to comparisons to the Republican walkout in 2008...I defer to www.breitbart.com
@ Congressional Black Caucus Plans Walkout During Holder Contempt VoteThe Democrats are certain to mention the fact that House Republicans, then in the minority, walked out in 2008 when contempt charges were filed by the House Democrats against Josh Bolten and Harriet Miers, staffers in George W. Bush’s administration. Of course, they will neglect to mention that when the Republicans walked out, it wasn’t over the contempt charges per se, but the fact that the House Democrats used the contempt charges to avoid passing the FISA bill, which was about to expire and allowed the federal government to initiate new activities monitoring terrorists. House Republicans were furious that the Democrats were putting partisan politics before the nation’s security.
36 posted on 06/28/2012 10:46:17 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Disagree
They by walking out said it was so absurd we aren’t voting on it
And do you really think they boobs that vote for those that walked out really care whether they voted no or walked out especially since they knew the contempt would be passed


37 posted on 06/29/2012 4:25:59 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Hojczyk
Most Democrats, however, walked out in protest of the vote rule of law.
38 posted on 06/29/2012 8:04:18 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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So who’s going to prosecute Holder, eh?

Symbolic gesture only. Nice as it would be to see Holder fined and stuffed in jail for a year, the folks responsible for prosecuting this are under the DoJ - Holder is their boss. So it is not happening.


39 posted on 06/29/2012 8:12:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: uncbob
And do you really think they boobs that vote for those that walked out really care whether they voted no or walked out especially since they knew the contempt would be passed
You seem to care so I would say, yes.
40 posted on 06/29/2012 8:50:02 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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I doubt it


41 posted on 06/29/2012 8:53:23 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob
I doubt it
Doubt away.
42 posted on 06/29/2012 9:14:10 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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