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The Chief Justice's Gambit (Not as bad as we think??)
Rea Clear Politics ^ | June 27,2012 | Sean Trende

Posted on 06/28/2012 2:37:54 PM PDT by Hojczyk

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To: Hojczyk

All this time, I’ve been bumfuzzled that people used the conservative appointees argument for nominating Mitt. Souter, anyone?

I have a dumb question. Is there absolutely *no* constitutional mechanism for having a referendum re 0bamacare on the November ballot?

“but with out hope what???” Goood question. I’m about there.


41 posted on 06/28/2012 3:18:17 PM PDT by KGeorge
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To: joe fonebone
You are wrong. Prior to this decision, a tax was for the purpose of raising revenue.

Today, Roberts expanded that definition to call all the use of a tax to control personal conduct.

42 posted on 06/28/2012 3:18:36 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: joe fonebone
No.

Before today the Congress only had the authority to lay certain kinds of taxes and only in circumstances "necessary and proper" to effect those things pursuant to its Constitutional Authority.

As for legal challenges, read my previous post which quotes the decision. The Court has already signaled it will NOT entertain Constitutional challenges to the tax.

Levin is discussing it right now.

43 posted on 06/28/2012 3:27:15 PM PDT by FredZarguna (The justification for a tax cannot be the authority to tax in and of itself.)
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To: dfwgator
they are trying to spin this as some kind of “win” for us....there is no “win” here.

You're being too pessimistic.

Remember back when there were jumpballs in basketball.

Roberts threw the ball back up and it is up to us to snare it for our team.

At least that's better than the referee just giving the ball to the liberals.

44 posted on 06/28/2012 3:27:35 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: dfwgator

Your absolutely right neighbor! There is no win here whatsoever!!!


45 posted on 06/28/2012 3:29:00 PM PDT by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: dfwgator

We have a choice - we can surrender or re-group and counter-attack. Counter-attacks frequently lead to victory.

I am ready to reload and advance forward!


46 posted on 06/28/2012 3:32:52 PM PDT by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: KGeorge
No referendums...we get to vote...our founders never though we would elect such fools...they were afraid of referendums... people would vote for free stuff..

The only hope is November and after that we have the hope for Mittens...I really do not have much hope...to many people want fee stuff..and the GOP never has done much....Reagan got stuff done with the help Southern Democrats and they are all gone..think Zel Miller..Rinos like Dole were no help..

47 posted on 06/28/2012 3:36:42 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: FredZarguna

I’ve wept all day. I see it how you see it. Nothing good happened for the US today!


48 posted on 06/28/2012 3:39:38 PM PDT by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: joe fonebone
HorseCrap! They will not only STILL use the commerce clause they will also cloak everything they want to do as a Tax. An illegal and unconstitutional tax, but a tax none the less. He just made taxes on NON action TAXABLE. He has opened the door to all they will ever want to do. There is no constitution at all. He twisted and twisted in order to ‘find’ a new tax capability.

This ruling deserves nothing less than civil disobedience by a vast majority of the states. The ruling is incoherent at best. It is not a direct tax, it is not an apportioned tax, it is not an income tax. He totally ignores the taxing ability of the Federal Government in the constitution & decides that since HE THINKS IT ACTS like a tax IT IS A TAX!

This type of logic can only show dementia and he should be removed for his own good, so he can seek the help he so desperately needs!

49 posted on 06/28/2012 3:44:15 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: dfwgator

11 posts before someone stated the facts.


50 posted on 06/28/2012 3:52:56 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: NELSON111

You’re probably right Nelson. However, there are tools here you can used to go back and see if your allegations are correct. Should prove interesting.


51 posted on 06/28/2012 3:56:47 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: RckyRaCoCo

What elections? We constqantly vote in Conservative Justices that stab us in the back!


52 posted on 06/28/2012 3:58:06 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Hojczyk

‘What a load of crap!

It’s ‘Robertscare’ now. He bought it. He owns it.


53 posted on 06/28/2012 4:05:23 PM PDT by citizen (Obomo blames:Arab Spring,Banks,Big Oil,Bush,Ceos,Coal,Euro Zone,FNC,Jpn Tsunami,T Party,Wall St,You)
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To: Covenantor

Don’t worry about your state you will have to travel. I predicted years ago the death camps would be in Louisiana. Our politicians will do anything for a buck, Jindal included.


54 posted on 06/28/2012 4:07:37 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Lou Budvis
Here’s the flaw in the Roberts-cut-down-the-Commerce-Clause meme - it is entirely dependant on other judges interpreting the law that way. Liberal judges won’t.

I agree. It would take strong conservative majorities to build upon this "victory". Liberal judges will completely ignore it.

55 posted on 06/28/2012 4:08:27 PM PDT by joe212
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To: Hojczyk
3. The chief justice has built up some political capital.
Roberts has basically done what John Marshall did: Insulate the court from criticism of bald partisan bias and infidelity to, as he once put it, calling balls and strikes. He’s earning plaudits from the left.

If they are appointed for life and they are an equal branch of government, then why is political capitol and trade-offs, and political positioning so important?

56 posted on 06/28/2012 4:09:03 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Hojczyk

I expected spin from the democrats. Didn’t see they cyclone of spin from the right coming.


57 posted on 06/28/2012 4:14:23 PM PDT by DManA
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Yeah, I read a lot of things that I don’t want to read either like people telling me to shut up. I believe it’s called “Free” Republic for a reason.


58 posted on 06/28/2012 4:14:33 PM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Kazan

Bottom line: Electing RINOs like the Bushes is a disaster.”

Let’s see -
Scalia, Kennedy (Reagan)
Thomas (GHWBush), Alito (GWBush) voted to strike down Obamacare.

Ginsberg, Breyer (Clinton), Kagan, Sotomayor (Obama) voted to uphold.

So 4 of 5 GOP appointed Justices and 0 for 4 Dem appointed Justice did the right thing.

bottom line: Electing Democrats is a disaster. Electing Bushes, not so much.


59 posted on 06/28/2012 4:17:29 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA.)
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To: A Strict Constructionist

Oh I don’t know about that. Maryland might be behind LA but not by much.


60 posted on 06/28/2012 4:19:22 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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