Posted on 06/28/2012 10:07:19 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
A sentiment widely shared today, no doubt. Over at Ace’s place, DrewM issues a warning:
Dear GOP,
This is your last chance. If you blow this, I’m out and you need to be destroyed.
What is it? Repeal ObamaCare on Day 1. Don’t worry about replace, don’t worry about anything else…
[A]s soon as Mitt takes the oath of office, before his speech no one will care or remember, walk the bill up to him at the podium to sign.
If this does not happen, the GOP must be destroyed and a new party built to replace it. We’ve tried the carrot approach (votes, money, volunteers) to change your behavior. Now it’s time to show you the stick.
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David Frum counters: If you think the GOP’s going to repeal ObamaCare now, you’re kidding yourselves.
"[E]ven if Republicans do win the White House and Senate in 2012, how much appetite will they then have for that 1-page repeal bill? Suddenly it will be their town halls filled with outraged senior citizens whose benefits are threatened; their incumbencies that will be threatened. Already we are hearing that some Republicans wish to retain the more popular elements of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Which means the proposed 1-page bill will begin to grow…
Republicans will find the task of writing their “replace” law even more agonizing than the Democrats found original passage. The party has no internal consensus on what a replacement would look like. Worse, any replacement of the law’s popular elements will require financing. But where is that money to come from? New taxes are unacceptable. The proceeds of “closing loopholes” are already spoken for—that’s how President Romney has promised to finance his promise to cut the top rate of tax 28%. And he’s also promised to increase defense spending…"
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That’s all fine, but Drew’s captured the mood of the base well in his post, I think. If the GOP ends up with the numbers to repeal O-Care, it’d be a catastrophic, possibly politically fatal betrayal at this point for them not to follow through. The fact that it was Roberts who swung to the left in today’s decision rather than the mercurial Kennedy only compounds conservatives’ trauma: At this point, a la Beck, it really does feel like there’s no one in a position of power who can be trusted. The last Republican president ran up big deficits and expanded health-care entitlements; the Republican chief justice he appointed just voted to uphold ObamaCare; and the current Republican nominee pioneered the concept of health-care mandates in Massachusetts. If a Republican-controlled Congress rubber-stamps Obama’s health-care leviathan by refusing to act on it, I don’t know what happens to turnout in 2014 and 2016. Good news for the No Labels crowd, I guess — that’ll be the closest America’s come yet to seeing a true third party develop. Democrats on the left, conservatives on the right, and the no-labels rump of the GOP smack dab in the center. They might as well take their chances with angry seniors at those townhalls; you might win them back eventually, but you won’t win back righties who’ve suffered one too many sellouts.
I miss Glenn Beck on FNC. He kicks butts, that is why he was shoved off.
Agree with Beck on this one, there is always 1 Supreme Court Justice that sells out to the leftists to give them these kinds of wild ass rulings.
Agree with Beck on this one, there is always 1 Supreme Court Justice that sells out to the leftists to give them these kinds of wild ass rulings.
Agree with Beck on this one, there is always 1 Supreme Court Justice that sells out to the leftists to give them these kinds of wild ass rulings.
Agree with Beck on this one, there is always 1 Supreme Court Justice that sells out to the leftists to give them these kinds of wild ass rulings.
:-)
Amen. We will never see repeal of most of this.
That is their day one. Basically their Zero Hour.
If it is not completely erased, no matter how many idiot geezers complain, then goodbye. If the NDP and the LibDems could go from goofy 3rd party also-rans to official opposition, then we have no excuses here.
I posted this on the michaelsavage thread but I am so disgusted with all of these talk show ‘hosts’ I wanted to post it here as well.
abandon hope all ye who enter here and romney won’t win?
savage is a total downer
that woman who called today was crying and savage said NOTHING to console her
I have been suspicious of him for a long time-he is an opportunist preying on the scared conservative public
heck all these talk show ‘hosts’ are preying on your fear - and asking you to buy lifelock and blinds and flowers,
follow the money- watch a face in the crowd-it applies to talk show hosts as well as obama and the liberals, george soros may have sent it to beck but it is also an example of msnbc, the huffington post and moveon.org
If the GOP take the presidency, the House and the Senate conservative causes will be the last things on their minds.
Good news bad news for Roberts?
On one hand Chief Justice Roberts just earned himself some
plum commencement address offers for next Spring. That is
something conservative justices never get. The downside is
that if the BO man doesn’t get re-elelcted and Obumblecare
goes up in smoke then the universities will forget all about
Roberts.
Savage is a realist.
Republicans, democrats, doesn’t matter anymore. They all fall under the category of greedy politician now. Both parties are equally guilty of siding with the moneychangers, and 300 million plus people are stuck in the middle of their power struggle, and are merely pawns in a quest for more control.
Effective after midnight December 31st, Obamacare, will be intact and remains so until which time our illustrious congress will muster any of their soon to be exhausted interest (once they are re-elected and newly elected) to persue some changes here and there in the thing, while Romney the socialist will triangulate from the White House, in the manner of Obama, letting congress take all the shots and the risks.
That is, IF, Romney wins, and IF Republisocaialists take the senate, and IF the less socialist Republicans hold the House of Representatives, and IF China does not call in our debt.
My comment at the hotair article:
“If this does not happen, the GOP must be destroyed and a new party built to replace it.”
Love the idea. I think we all can agree that “Republican” is a tarnished brand, with a country club reputation, not Joe the Plumber.
Just dumping the Republican name will win us several points in the polls. But there’s more. It’s time we cater to Joe the Plumber, and the country clubbers and most of the old authoritarian guard will come along.
What does Joe the Plumber want? Ask him. That’s the replacement party we need to create. I know that Joe doesn’t like the antiquated cr@p that the old guard still finds a rationale for supporting. Joe pretty much is going to talk like John Stossel, I think. That’s where the new majority is going to be found; that’s what is going to explode the left – right paradigm as it currently exists.
Yeah but the good news is that McCaine and Sarah didn’t win.
It would have been much worse in the US today had they won.
The DNC thanks you for your purity.
if everything was swell, we wouldn't listen, now would we?...
exception of course is Rush..yes he sells stuff...but he's not writing books every other month or having rallies or shows to pay for and come too...
I trust him more than the others...Sean is trustworthy too I guess...at least he's consistant...
but Beck and Savage....they'll have us twist in the wind rather than actually do something constructive or talk constructively...THEY TALK IN CIRCLES...
Savage did this with Bush and McCain...and Beck never did endorse or encourage us to vote McCain...sure, its hard to do....and against bamey boy...
You’re gonna burn some egos with that post.
The GOP mantra for 2012 should be: “Suck it up and vote.”
Name the Republicans who voted in favor of Obamacare?
Why would anyone want Beck on their side, since he enjoys shooting Republicans in the back, frequently.
Beck is a loose cannon, often shooting in the wrong direction.
You are delusional.
Third Party talk is for those who do not want to win, at anything.
[ I miss Glenn Beck on FNC. He kicks butts, that is why he was shoved off. ]
The Blaze TV!
He is on that!
I can name one republican who voted for Obamacare and that would
be Justice Roberts!!!!”
David Frum claims that seniors will be outraged if the GOP tries to repeal Obamacare? Seriously?
I wonder if these seniors know that Obamacare cuts $500 billion from Medicare. Also, Obamacare will ultimately lead to healthcare rationing and those imfamous death panels Sarah Palin warned about. “Sorry, grandma, you need a heart valve replacement? You’re 88 years old. Go home, take a pill, and prepare to meet your maker.”
What a country.
“Name the Republicans who voted in favor of Obamacare?”
Olympia Snowe voted to let it out of committee in the Senate. She could have stopped it cold. There’s a reason she retired this year. It would have been nicer had Maine Republicans been able to primary her and defeat her, though.
What win? The GOP has never cut spending and never blinked at raising the debt ceiling. You are delusional.
I have to hand it to Obama and his administration - they set out to fundamentally transform this country to what they want and they are stopping at absolutely nothing to get it done. They don’t go weak in the knees and spend a ton of time worrying about what the Republicans think. They are absolutely ruthless, shameless, and have no fear of the law. They are doing what is necessary. Obama has no respect for the Constitution and he’s successfully shredded it.
I will fight through November but - we did that in 2010 and in the end what did it get us? Maybe moving to a GOP state is an option - if they can escape this monstrosity.
Hi Kansas, I’m not talking third party. I’m talking replacing the Repubs. Plus, this would be in the future sometime, certainly not 2012.
I fear that if the Republicans do not repeal Obamacare in toto, they will share the fate of the British Liberal Party which broke up in the 1920s and has never sinve chosen a prime minister, even though a large number of constituencies have always voted Liberal. And there is no conservative equivalent to the Labour Party to assume the role of alternative.
Michael Weiner is a liberal Democrat. Nobody should take the ‘Savage’ character seriously. Glenn Beck is a closet Romneybot, likewise always acting.
Yes and yes
Why don’t we just secede? I’m sure that could be a bipartisan effort, the libs hate us just as much as we hate them. Solid blue states became a new nation, solid red states become a new nation, purple states choose which to belong to through popular vote. Open borders for the first few years for blue state conservatives/red state liberals to migrate over. What’s the issue here?
There is nothing of value to win, except in the collapse of the entire Federal Government. Eventually liberals will bring that about for us, and when they do I hope to be fully prepared both individuality and politically to take advantage of the crisis to fully and permanently sever the abusive bonds of union with them.
If the Republican party wants to sell us out again and again, then we must seek new bonds for our happiness and security. As is obliviously the case when it comes to these united States formerly united under a real constitution.
The issue is Washington doesn’t want to give up its dictatorial power (as dysfunctional for everyone else as it is), and those of us who haven’t quite got the clue thou their head that we can’t compromise.
Then there are of course those still attached to the sentimental bonds of union of which i suspect there may still be a great many particularly among those oblivious to the extraordinary and growing cost.
“This could do to the GOP what the Kansas-Nebreska act to the Whigs-destroy it”
On this I agree, such is the magnitude of the present crisis.
But even if it is, Roberts has established the precedent for the use of a tax to compel anything. Buy a GM Obamamobile or pay a tax; buy solar company stock or pay a penalty, for examples. We will have to be ever vigilant in every Congress.
So, if it is a tax, then companies are going to prefer to pay the tax. However, hiring overseas means they will get the tax loophole. Meanwhile everyday Americans who cannot afford the tax will get a IRS lien or jail time, and their passport will be confiscated!!!!????
What kind of fascist system is this? We had Nazis, communists and now we have the IRS and US.gov bureaucracy.
Time to head for the hills and run out to Mexico, or go illegal and work on the black market.
Heck, Michelle Obama says black kids become stupid watching TV. So, guess what, we will have our German tax on owning a TV.
You know, I believe TV is evil, as a Christian, but, hey, I was not going to be the theocratic type forcing people to not watch it.... but it is OK to be Michelle Zero and tell people they cannot watch TV or drink slurpies.
Man, where are those evil right wing christian extremists when you have Michelle Zero coming up with fascist crap like this.
Third Party talk is for those who do not want to win, at anything.
Tell that to the republicans about 160 years ago.
Have third parties won anything in the last 100 years?
You got it .
It isn’t the party that counts any longer.
They are all in it for the perks and the money.
Vote NO on incumbency.
Anyone in the Congress now needs to be removed.
I had quit listening to Beck months ago, during his constant Newt bashing. I wanted to hear the SCOTUS decision at work, so I switched on Beck and he’s still bashing Newt. What an ass Beck is. He did all he could to get us comrade Romney though.
We need to understand that we can’t let this tax stand. First, I have severe doubts that their will even be elections. The Progressive take-over is essentially complete and they are not just going to walk-away from the table and let it be un-done. The nothing-ever-happens-here crowd needs to wake up because it is happening. All Obama needs is some civil disobedience here and for the Middle East to blow up, which looks like will happen this summer or fall. Then he pulls out the teleprompter and reads his the world is in a precarious place and it would be careless for us as Americans to go through this transition to a new administration at this time crap and woila its game over. Remember with the NDAA and other EO’s he can pretty much do whatever he wants.
Second, I do not believe for a second that Romney will live up to his promise to repeal it on day one. He’s going to use this tax as a platform to grab the conservative vote, who will hold their noses just long enough to pull the lever for Romeny. He needs the Senate anyway to pull it off even if he really wanted too, which Im not sure he does. But if they do then you would get minorities and the poor rising up in the streets because someone just took away their free health care.
Yes. To me they are all snake oil hustlers until proven otherwise, and so far none are proven otherwise. Even in political offices, you'll occasionally find a diamond in the dung heap.
Excellent post. This BS game is over. Romney was brought forward to assure socialized medicine and fulfill fedzilla's need for ever expanding power.
I really don't know how these media types can sleep with themselves...playing this stage game and perpetrating this fraud (R vs D) on the American people. Maybe they are just that dumb....?
Moving to a different state of submission?
A true option is to quit paying income tax, which you can do without legal repercussions by quitting the behavior of making income. That is, if you think the America you love is worth a sacrifice of some degree of comfort, affluence, and lifestyle.
If enough people stopped paying, the government would collapse in a matter of weeks or even days. If people organized and did it, with specific demands, there would not even be time for discussion. They could demand anything -- any law, any resignations, any repeal -- and get it, just by taking the pursestring reins in hand.
Moving will get you nowhere different.
Voting will get you nowhere different.
Is this a threat or a promise? I like the idea of some kind of line in the sand.
First we suceed from the GOP!
Repeal ObamaCare!
First we suceed from the GOP!
Repeal ObamaCare!
First we suceed from the GOP!
Repeal ObamaCare!
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