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Now That Obamacare Has Passed, Here's What It's Going To Cost You [ the fine is $2,058.00 !!!! ]
businessinsider.com ^ | June 28 2012 | Mandi Woodruff

Posted on 06/28/2012 11:53:55 PM PDT by NoLibZone

Consumer penalties: Part of the controversy surrounding health care reform was that the law would mandate coverage for all Americans on pain of penalties. Those penalties will be tiered and rise over a three-year period that kicks off in 2014, according to the National Association of Consumer Protection:

2014: Families––$285 or 1 percent of total household income, whichever is greater. Individual adults––$95. 2015: Families––$975 or 2 percent of income, whichever is greater. Individual adults––$325. 2016: Families––$2,085 or 2.5 percent of income, whichever is greater. Individual adults––$695.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-obamas-affordable-care-act-will-cost-consumers-2012-6#ixzz1zAA0EjcL

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KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; obamacare; zerocare
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1 posted on 06/28/2012 11:54:03 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

$2,085.00 or 2.5% of income , whichever is greater.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 11:55:05 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: NoLibZone

Healthcare prices are going to SKYROCKET......


3 posted on 06/28/2012 11:56:52 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: NoLibZone

Everyone wbo voted for Obama desrvres to be fined.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 11:58:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I miss Harriet Miers.)
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To: NoLibZone

Given those kinds of fines , Insurance costs will rise to met them.


5 posted on 06/28/2012 11:59:02 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: NoLibZone

Does any of this apply to Expats who no longer live in the USSA?


6 posted on 06/28/2012 11:59:37 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: NoLibZone
Serious questions:

The welfare mother with six kids with six different last names: Who pays her premium?

The newly arrived immigrant (both legal and illegal) without a dime on them: Who pays?

7 posted on 06/29/2012 12:00:24 AM PDT by abishai
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To: NoLibZone

I thought the fine was $600 bucks or something.

Oh well....

Sick and tired of my government.


8 posted on 06/29/2012 12:03:24 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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To: NoLibZone

The jails are going to be full of healthy people.


9 posted on 06/29/2012 12:05:35 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: NoLibZone

Just wait until all the moonbats who voted for Obama get hit with this tax. They will go absolutely ballistic.

I was looking for something else on YouTube yesterday and ran across this video.

Now this lady is doing a PARODY. This is a joke. She’s got a great sense of humor and nails this thing perfectly. If you comment, *don’t give her a hard time*. She’s trying to make a comment and is just joking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV8P-vib5n8&feature=related


10 posted on 06/29/2012 12:06:40 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: abishai

We will pay our fines, their fines, our insurance and their insurance.

And they will call us fascists the whole time.

Time to abandon this failed experiment in liberty.


11 posted on 06/29/2012 12:07:38 AM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: NoLibZone
"a 3.8 percent surtax will be levied against surplus investment"

Maybe I should know but I don't. What's a surplus investment?


12 posted on 06/29/2012 12:09:37 AM PDT by I see my hands (As Islamists perpetrated 9/11 so SCOTUS perpetrated 6/28)
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To: abishai

“Most” Americans will pay the premiums of those people. No idea who “most” Americans are, but I heard it all day at the top of each hour on radio, and Laura Ingraham said it tonight, that ObamaCare requires “most” Americans to purchase health insurance. “Most”? WTF is this “most” sh!t?

I would sure like some to look into what exactly “most” means. For whatever reason, I have a 100% certainly that I am included in the “most” category. (How could it be any other way?) But who else is a “most” and, more importantly, who are lucky non-”most” SOBs?


13 posted on 06/29/2012 12:09:55 AM PDT by kevao
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To: AlexW

Do taxes apply to expats?


14 posted on 06/29/2012 12:10:20 AM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Everyone wbo voted for Obama desrvres to be fined.

Correction:

Everyone who voted for Obama deserves to be fired.

15 posted on 06/29/2012 12:10:20 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: NoLibZone
Unless you live in Government housing with your flatscreen, Xbox and Obama phone. Then we'll pick up your entire insurance tab. Oh, and the Obama weasel doesn't make you pay until there's a new President to blame the tax on, because people are stupid.
16 posted on 06/29/2012 12:10:40 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: Tzimisce

Those costs are notoriously low. Rationing and inferior health care await.
75 yrs old and need a Heart valve, too bad you get asprine. Need a kidney , nope
no chance.

The additional taxes will kill the economy. No vacation get-a-ways, inferior
clothing cheaper cars

With the expiration of the Bush’ tax cuts look for a double whammy.
-no jobs- nothing but a depression.

Oh, ye 53% destroyed our country and you’re too ignorant to grasp what you did.


17 posted on 06/29/2012 12:11:33 AM PDT by ChiMark (chewed up his body for a decade)
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To: AlexW

>>>Does any of this apply to Expats who no longer live in the USSA?

I hope not because I’m a expat and next year hopefully, won’t have to file another tax return since I will have been out of the country for over a year and have no US salary. I pay taxes to the local government. I don’t want to pay for something that I will have to fly back to the US to use.


18 posted on 06/29/2012 12:13:48 AM PDT by teacherwoes ("It is vain to expect a well-balanced government without a well-balanced society" -Gideon Welles)
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To: NoLibZone

Pay the least you legally can and then use the system for every ache and pain until it collapses.


19 posted on 06/29/2012 12:14:30 AM PDT by BinaryBoy (Anyone But Romney)
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To: Tzimisce

Yes they sure are; the article does point that out. Ben Dover, here it cometh . . .


20 posted on 06/29/2012 12:16:22 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NoLibZone

Not ME ... I’m going to be the Ring Leader to Burn The Prison that I am Incarcerated in.

I WILL NOT BUY, NOR WILL I PAY the FINE. PERIOD

TT


21 posted on 06/29/2012 12:16:40 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: NoLibZone

And those fines aren’t enough to pay for anything, so in addition to that we’ll all be paying a hell of a lot more even if we have insurance!


22 posted on 06/29/2012 12:17:15 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: NoLibZone

I heard today that Capital Gains Taxes will top out at 43% for “high earners”. Gotta pay for all that FREE stuff they’re handing out.

I am not aware of what determines a “high earner”. In today’s world I would assume that is anybody with a full time job.


23 posted on 06/29/2012 12:20:35 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: NoLibZone

So what does this mean to the very poor, say between $7 and $10,000 a year individuals?


24 posted on 06/29/2012 12:22:56 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: teacherwoes

I hate to tell you this, but so far as I know, there is no exemption like that. I’ve been out of the US for two years, and still have to file federal returns every year on my foreign income. The only break is that the first $91k of that income is exempted from US tax. If you have different info, I’d sure love to see it, as having to file for foreign income that is fully exempted is a hassle.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 12:24:16 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Tzimisce

That was the point, and why the insurance companies, and others standing to profit have been for it all along.

We've been bamboozled. 2,700 pages of it, followed by what is it now, more than 10,000 additional pages of rules?

Who can make war against this beast?

26 posted on 06/29/2012 12:27:32 AM PDT by BlueDragon (Will Rodgers would be aghast at things today, but he might like his road if they'd waive the toll)
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To: TexasTransplant
It's guys like you who plan on not playing along which make them wish ever the more to take all cash out of the people's hands, replacing it with electronic "money".

But before they can get around to doing that (not that it is all that far off into the future);
They'll lien your bank accounts, and or your wages (if you work for a paycheck.

Next up --- refusing business "licenses", then even your driver's license.

27 posted on 06/29/2012 12:43:35 AM PDT by BlueDragon (Will Rodgers would be aghast at things today, but he might like his road if they'd waive the toll)
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To: NoLibZone
So, where does this fine go? Is there even any proof they'll put it toward healthcare costs?

Also the part of the article that says there's a penalty after 2018 if your employee gives you an expensive healthcare plan! I guess this is the so-called “Cadillac Plan”? When I checked last year, I think we had what was then considered a “Cadillac Plan”. Screw you, Obama! And I have never said that about an American President! I “respected the office”.

28 posted on 06/29/2012 12:43:58 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Employer


29 posted on 06/29/2012 12:45:41 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: NoLibZone
As I understand it, Health Insurance Companies will be forced to reinvest 85% of their Plan Premiums back into paid Benefits.

That means they have only 15% of their Gross Income to pay for Buildings Employees, Lawyers, paper clips etc.

They have to increase their Plan Premiums in order to expand that 15% so they can survive. No Business can last with such a narrow margin.

My B-I-L works for one of the bigger Insurers. He deals with Insurance Brokers who are up in arms about how confusing the Obamacare rules are. He simply tells them that HHS is supposed to provide clarity on the rules and they aren't. It's a cluster f**k from the word go and it won't get any better.

30 posted on 06/29/2012 12:52:07 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: NoLibZone

I guess we “had to pass it so that we can see what’s in it”(?)


31 posted on 06/29/2012 12:52:34 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: Vendome
I think it depends on your income if you make under 65K
I think the penalty is around $1390.00 If you make 70K and are married you will get no subsidies and your penalty is around $1398. that is according to the WAPO calculator if you beleive that. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/what-health-bill-means-for-you/ According to the legislation the tax or penalty for not having insurance is 2.5% of your income per the number of members in your household at least this is how I read it. My problem is I won't be able to afford a policy and I don't think I can afford the penalty either even though the gov thinks I should be able to they don't take into account all of my expenses that I have like food, mortgage,property taxes, car insurance, trasportaion,utilities, and clothing you know all the frivolous things in life. When the government many of whom are very wealthy look down upon their subjects and deem us to pay, they don't give a rats ass if we can not afford it we will pay or face the music.
I hope many of the people who think this Non care act was good get screwed too!!
32 posted on 06/29/2012 12:53:10 AM PDT by funfan
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To: teacherwoes

“I hope not because I’m a expat and next year hopefully, won’t have to file another tax return”
______________________________________________

I have not filed a tax return in the past ten years, but I do receive SS, since 2008.


33 posted on 06/29/2012 12:53:56 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: abishai

Who pays her premium?
(
Remember that the cost to mandate that everyone buy insurance is almost $2 Trillion!I


34 posted on 06/29/2012 12:56:31 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: BlueDragon
Obamacare is backed up by the IRS. They CAN impound your Financial Accounts to get their “penalty”.

We are all Soviets, make that Cubans, no make that North Koreans now.

35 posted on 06/29/2012 12:56:48 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: NoLibZone

This is the reason that so many retired citizens have simply emmigrated and no longer live in the United States.


36 posted on 06/29/2012 1:12:16 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: F15Eagle

“Just wait until all the moonbats who voted for Obama get hit with this tax.”

If you don’t pay taxes, the mandate doesn’t apply to you. Swell, huh? His moonbats pay nothing, for the most part.


37 posted on 06/29/2012 1:14:56 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Kickass Conservative

Prior to this new act we were the tenth freest nation on Heritage’s list.

This has to knock us down a few pegs.

We were no longer in the Free category, we had slid to the mostly free category.

Turn the lights out - it’s over.

http://www.heritage.org/index/default


38 posted on 06/29/2012 1:18:46 AM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: NoLibZone

x


39 posted on 06/29/2012 1:19:25 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: abishai

[Serious questions: The welfare mother with six kids with six different last names: Who pays her premium? The newly arrived immigrant (both legal and illegal) without a dime on them: Who pays?]

These people will go to the emergency room for “free” treatment. People in this subculture who don’t like to wait for treatment in the emergency room simply call a “free” ambulance. When those new clients crammed into the “expanded” Medicaid program can’t find a doctor or have to wait three weeks to see one they will go to the “free” emergency room.


40 posted on 06/29/2012 1:20:04 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: ModelBreaker

And the rich can hide and delay income, so it really has no effect on them.

It’s the middle class that has to draw a paycheck each week and is thus the one that covers the costs and deficits.


41 posted on 06/29/2012 1:21:47 AM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The looters love the ER becasue it’s one stop.

Exam, Blood work with immediate results and the prescription.

My wife use to see illegals for tooth aches at the ER!!!


42 posted on 06/29/2012 1:25:00 AM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: ModelBreaker

Big monkey in the room was Kagan... she should have been forced to recuse herself from the SCOTUS decision... then it would have been tied. What a farce.


43 posted on 06/29/2012 1:34:42 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: abishai

What legal immigrants come here poor? None that I ever saw going through the process.


44 posted on 06/29/2012 1:36:04 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: abishai

What legal immigrants come here poor? None that I ever saw going through the process.


45 posted on 06/29/2012 1:36:10 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: NoLibZone

[The looters love the ER becasue it’s one stop.
Exam, Blood work with immediate results and the prescription.
My wife use to see illegals for tooth aches at the ER!!!]

The hospitals signed on to ObamaCare because—among other things—they thought it would cut down on the uninsured using their emergency rooms.


46 posted on 06/29/2012 1:42:51 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: NoLibZone

First $70,000 tax free (limit may have changed). Watch out for those taxes on earningz in some countries where you working and registering yoour tax home. Make our tax rates look like a bargain.


47 posted on 06/29/2012 1:43:55 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: NoLibZone

Who would have thought that a professor community agitator marxist professor that never worked a day in the private sector would come up with such brilliant “solutions” such as giving billions to phoney green energy companies that go bankrupt, bailing out unions while shafting bondholders and non-union pensioners, over $1 Trillion on “shovel ready” jobs that “I guess weren’t actually shovel ready, hah ha.” Now he gives everyone “FREE” healthcare to buy votes. How does a person love America and at the same time does not HATE Barack Obama?


48 posted on 06/29/2012 1:56:50 AM PDT by reaganator
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To: F15Eagle

That...IS funny!!


49 posted on 06/29/2012 2:19:39 AM PDT by floozy22 (ACA: Repeal .. Repeal .. Repeal !)
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To: NoLibZone

So, a “family” with 2 kids will pay the samy as a “family” with ten kids.

Talked to a small business owner last night. He’s got a wife and 4 kids. His premiums are $650 a month, or $7,800 a year, with a $10,000 deduction. He’ll be one of the first to say “fine me and give me the insurance.”

There are so many questions about these “fines”. What if daddy is killed and the insurance through work stops? Does the family immediately get fined? And how much is the fine since the family is now without a father?

What if there’s an accident and half the family is killed. Does the remaining family get a pro-rated rebate?

And as far as family, can parents and parents-in-law and grown kids move in and call themselves a family? Hell, can the neighbor move in and call themselves a family. And the big question: Can two men pretending to be gay move in and be considered a family?


50 posted on 06/29/2012 2:33:49 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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