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Vanity: Bohner Should go to the Fed. Courts to have 0bamacare Declared Null and Void NOW
6-29-12

Posted on 06/29/2012 5:28:36 AM PDT by FrdmLvr

Because 0bamacare was declared "Constitutional" by SCOTUS through the the funding mechanism, which was a tax according to Roberts, it should be deemed null and void on the grounds it did not originate in the House. Bohner should take this to the federal court immediately. Precisely because it WAS declared a tax, for that reason alone, it should have been found unconstitutional. Comments?


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1 posted on 06/29/2012 5:28:40 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: FrdmLvr

I wish to see millions of Fedex, UPS packages sent to Congress, all of them a simple cheap First Aid kit.

Our version of a Tea Party against Obamacare.


2 posted on 06/29/2012 5:32:04 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Is your state Obamacare free yet?)
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To: FrdmLvr

Where did it originate?

“Excessive taxation ... will carry reason and reflection to every man’s door, and particularly in the hour of election.” ...Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Taylor, 1798


3 posted on 06/29/2012 5:33:11 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: FrdmLvr

I like it.


4 posted on 06/29/2012 5:33:17 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: FrdmLvr
I received this in an email this AM. Can anyone verify if this is accurate or not?

The word "Dhimmitude" is found in the new health care bill; so what does it mean? Thought this was interesting and worth passing on. Dhimmitude -- What does it mean? Obama used it in the health care bill. Now isn't this interesting? It is used in the health care law. Dhimmitude -- I had never heard the word until now. Type it into Google and start reading. Pretty interesting. It's on page 107 of the healthcare bill. I looked this up on Google and yep, it exists.. It is a REAL word. Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-Muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam. ObamaCare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking", and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance. Non-Muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize Muslims. This is Dhimmitude.

5 posted on 06/29/2012 5:34:38 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: FrdmLvr
IIRC, they will have to repeal the existing law and re-vote, this time starting in the House or the law never takes effect.
6 posted on 06/29/2012 5:35:15 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: FrdmLvr
Comments?

What will it take to actually kill the 0bamacare beast? Dead...dead, dead...

7 posted on 06/29/2012 5:35:38 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: FrdmLvr

I’m wondering, since this is now considered a tax, was the bill even passed correctly. I didn’t think a tax increase could be passed by a parliamentary procedure such as “Deeming it Passed”. Shouldn’t a tax like this require 2/3rd approval?


8 posted on 06/29/2012 5:36:30 AM PDT by Tony O (hibobbi!)
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To: FrdmLvr
Sorry, officially it did originate in the House. Reid took a House bill, stripped out its contents to make it a shell bill and then put Obamacare in the shell. This technique has been used in the past. It is a circumvention, but it has multiple precedents.
9 posted on 06/29/2012 5:36:30 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: FrdmLvr

That would take a pair which crybaby doesn’t have.


10 posted on 06/29/2012 5:37:06 AM PDT by bgill
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To: isthisnickcool

untrue.


11 posted on 06/29/2012 5:37:13 AM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: Eye of Unk

We’re at what 50 threads now with this stuff? ENOUGH ALREADY. Read ahead for just a bit.

The act has about 50 taxes in it before Roberts and his gang decided to call a penalty a tax.

The act technically started in the house, then the Senate gutted it and fully amended it with the PPCA and it had to go back to the House for approval.

(I guess 50 is my exaggeration of the day)


12 posted on 06/29/2012 5:37:29 AM PDT by garyb
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To: FrdmLvr

With the Affordable Health Care Act as exhibit A, and the executive dismissals of Marriage Law, and Immigration law as exhibits, B and C, The whole process is now so illegitimate and unconstitutional that we will have a very very hard time getting back to a to a place where the reasoned application of the rule of law means anything at all.

The Supreme justices in oral arguments bristled at the notion that they were going to have to READ the bill and make sense of it. The majority opinion PROVES that they did not read the bill, or make any sense of it. They just basically said, “Approved” in spite of the plain text of the bill, which even the majority admits is unconstitutional.


13 posted on 06/29/2012 5:38:32 AM PDT by mission9 (It is by the fruit ye shall know.)
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To: isthisnickcool

snopes.com declared that false, rumor mill....but it does sound like something that would happen.


14 posted on 06/29/2012 5:39:26 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: FrdmLvr

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said that the House Republicans will schedule a vote on repealing the health care law on July 11...


15 posted on 06/29/2012 5:39:43 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Eye of Unk
"I wish to see millions of Fedex, UPS packages sent to Congress, all of them a simple cheap First Aid kit."

I LOVE your idea, but might I suggest we send enemas instead?

16 posted on 06/29/2012 5:42:00 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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To: FrdmLvr

I believe his name is Boehner.

I also believe that if he turns on the faucet, he could get the judge crying with him.


17 posted on 06/29/2012 5:43:15 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: PapaNew

House repeals, 51 Senators repeal, President signs repeal bill.


18 posted on 06/29/2012 5:46:23 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: FrdmLvr
Good luck

There is a technicality that congress uses to get around this requirement, the Senate takes a House passed bill, guts it and replaces it with the Senate tax bill. It's standard DC stuff.

19 posted on 06/29/2012 5:51:15 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: Eye of Unk

We all should send a shoebox full of fresh dogsh*t, which is apropos.


20 posted on 06/29/2012 5:51:37 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: MissMagnolia
51 Senators repeal

Only after you get 60 to agree to a vote.

21 posted on 06/29/2012 5:54:51 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: FrdmLvr

Or he can just not fund it in the budget (which the Dems won’t look at . . . HEHEHEHE). So I think either way, this is starting to look more and more like a victory. More optimistic today than yesterday.


22 posted on 06/29/2012 5:55:49 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: carriage_hill

Our ancestors back in Boston probably said the same thing but horse manure was more valuable at home for fertilizer.

let history repeat itself in full 3D color.

I for one have access to quite a few old first aid kits from a fleet of trucks. I may very well just toss them out on the highway with a magic marker message on them.

“Repeal Obamacare!”

You can get a basic kit from Walmart pretty cheap.


23 posted on 06/29/2012 5:55:59 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Is your state Obamacare free yet?)
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To: EmilyGeiger
but it does sound like something that would happen.

No it doesn't. It sounds like something that would get passed around by email and believed by the gullible.
24 posted on 06/29/2012 6:00:06 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: SampleMan

Just repeating what Michelle Bachmann said last night. Bottom line, we need as many in the House/Senate as possible.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 6:01:46 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: MissMagnolia
House repeals, 51 Senators repeal, President signs repeal bill.

Right. What will it take to get THAT? ie. If Romney is elected, how many Congressmen have to be replaced by people who have at least half a brain?

26 posted on 06/29/2012 6:03:23 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: FrdmLvr
I have no faith in our court system (at this point) to act in a lawful manner. Instead, we now have a system of government that has shredded the original Constitution, with all three parts (Executive, Legislative and Judicial) now creating laws based upon ideological/political agendas.
27 posted on 06/29/2012 6:06:20 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: FrdmLvr

I’d say let’s not overkill. Let’s leave it alone and as Sarah Palin said yesterday: “On November 6 the people will give their “Ruling” on ObamaCare.”

Let’s lay-low and work like hell to get a GOP Prez, House and Senate.

GOP 2012 BATTLE CRY: “On June 28, 2012, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On November 6, 2012, we’re going to shove it up their ass.”


28 posted on 06/29/2012 6:07:19 AM PDT by no dems (On June 28th, they shoved ObamaCare down our throat. On Nov. 6th, we'll shove it up their ass.)
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To: Tony O

Taxation without representation?


29 posted on 06/29/2012 6:08:26 AM PDT by goldi
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To: Mich Patriot

Or condoms because they are a bunch of d-heads.


30 posted on 06/29/2012 6:09:49 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: FrdmLvr

The waters are muddy here...

the ruling has the mandate as a penalty for purposes of the tax anti-injunction act, and NOT a tax...

so, not sure what it is, but looks like it can be molded to the political whims of who decides...


31 posted on 06/29/2012 6:16:51 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: PapaNew

All we can do is give it our very best effort. We need to become responsible for the people we elect ... it is obvious that for the most part, we have been sending trash to congress, only concerned with their own re-election. When they go rogue and don’t vote the way we expected them to, we do nothing other than re-elect them anyway. Vote out all the b@stards who won’t listen to the people, no matter how many elections it takes.

It’s a daunting task & it is going to take a huge effort. Americans in 1776 probably felt the same way facing legions of British troops, all better armed, with the power of England behind them. They didn’t give up then, we shouldn’t be spineless cowards and give up now .... unlike those who founded the country and died for liberty, we just have to vote to win (back) our liberty & save our country.


32 posted on 06/29/2012 6:22:26 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: SampleMan; MissMagnolia

I’m pretty sure that fiscal/budgetary matters in the Senate are not subject to filibuster ... experts? ;-)


33 posted on 06/29/2012 6:26:00 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: SumProVita

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said that the House Republicans will schedule a vote on repealing the health care law on July 11...

If these guys can do this for the Health Care bill then why the hell haven’t they voted to ban abortion which the Supreme Court also approved. Either the House cannot really get rid of the Health Care Law or Conservatives in the House are not conservative at all for keeping Abortion on the books.


34 posted on 06/29/2012 6:30:09 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Tunehead54

This might help:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/06/29/the_filibuster_won_t_save_obamacare_from_president_romney_.html


35 posted on 06/29/2012 6:32:29 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: napscoordinator

One thing at a time...

I honestly believe that we MUST work to control both the Legislative and Executive branches....IF we want to truly get this nation back on a sane, moral trajectory.

In November ....the most important election in our history will take place.

I also believe that God is showing us that even more people need to wake up and repent, pray and fast for our nation.


36 posted on 06/29/2012 6:37:37 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita

the most important election in our history will take place.

I am not trying to belittle that comment, but this has been said every single election since at least 1992 that I am aware of. I still believe that the election will come down to Colorado. If Romney can win CO, he wins the election. If Obama wins CO he wins the election. Romney can win VA, NH, FL, OH, NC, IN, but still needs to win CO for the win. If I were him, I would spend the rest of the campaign their. And with the fires, it would be a great chance for him to show some leadership.


37 posted on 06/29/2012 6:41:04 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: FrdmLvr

This should be one of the lines of attack on this POS “law”. I was saying this yesterday within minutes of the decision. The “tax” did not originate in the House as a tax so it was fraudulently legislated.


38 posted on 06/29/2012 6:44:56 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: FrdmLvr
Yea right after he finishes a fifth of whiskey he will.
39 posted on 06/29/2012 6:46:59 AM PDT by angcat (GO YANKS!)
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To: FrdmLvr

I wrote the same thing a couple of threads up. I believe someone actually has to pay the tax before they have standing but maybe not in the case of the speaker of the House.


40 posted on 06/29/2012 7:04:21 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: FrdmLvr
You will get only a symbolic vote on the 11th of July to overturn this evil. It will do nothing and it is purely a political gesture before an election. The only way to get rid of this crap is by NULLIFICATION. Go study what Jefferson said about it and how to use it. We will not win or win enough to overturn this in the Senate. We may lose the entire election... we may not... but nothing will happen to this law in a legislative solution.
41 posted on 06/29/2012 7:09:23 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: MissMagnolia
House repeals, 51 Senators repeal, President signs repeal bill.

Make that 60 votes in the Senate. Unless you can get cloture the 51 will never get to vote.

42 posted on 06/29/2012 7:15:41 AM PDT by pgkdan (ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!)
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To: FrdmLvr
Every member of Congress who voted for this bill should be hounded by constituents for passing a huge tax bill and being too dumb to know it was a massive new tax or simply did not read the bill and voted for it anyway. Nancy Pelosi was right ..Congress had to pass the bill to know what was in it.

I am considering wasting the electrons to e-mail Sen. Tim Johnson (Dolt-SD)and ask him why he voted for a massive new tax. I am sure my reply will be that Obamacare is so wonderful it is worth the cost or similar BS.

43 posted on 06/29/2012 7:19:00 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: pgkdan
Make that 60 votes in the Senate. Unless you can get cloture the 51 will never get to vote.

How many votes did Ried have to pass it originally? Could the same number of votes be used to reverse this tax bill?

44 posted on 06/29/2012 7:23:39 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: napscoordinator

...but this has been said every single election since at least 1992 that I am aware of.

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That’s immaterial. NOW...it is accurate.

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And with the fires, it would be a great chance for him to show some leadership.

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Won’t happen...as he is totally lacking in that area.


45 posted on 06/29/2012 7:23:39 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: MissMagnolia
You're exactly right! I was telling my wife this last night. I know what we can do to change the course for the better; what I don't know is how to get the people to actually do it.

People will complain they don't like Congress, etc. but will vote to send the same statist and status quo types back time after time. The revolution that many FReepers claim they want is available at the ballot box every two years! Every member of Congress is up for election and 1/3 of the Senate!

We the people can send a strong message by voting these bums out. If the next set does the same things vote them out. Sooner or later someone will get the message.

46 posted on 06/29/2012 7:32:28 AM PDT by Mr Fuji
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To: Mr Fuji

One FReeper send a message to his congresscritter on a particular bill and said something like ‘if you vote for that bill, it is a vote to go home’. If EVERYBODY did this, we would get control back. We only contact these people when it is something inmportant & then it’s too late - they know there are no consequences if they ‘do their thing’ & not the will of their constituents.

Look at the election of 2010 & how voting out so many jerked the Dems up short .... this election, quite a few are choosing to stay home & work on their re-elections & stay away from the Obummer circus. The Tea Party is having an effect by trying to primary the old RINOs - even if not successful, at least the RINOs are paying more attention if nothing else. If we called our congresscritters once a week say, to tell them good job or hey, I am a voter in your district and THIS is how I expect you to vote, or I will send you home I think we would see a difference. We elect these people and then turn them loose to do as they will - not working. People have to be ‘resolved’ to be involved - I guess we’ll find out in November if enough folks make that choice.


47 posted on 06/29/2012 7:52:26 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Eye of Unk

Horse manure is great fertilizer; dogsh*t, not so much. We could always send Fleet Enema thingys to those corrupt DC scum, to help dislodge their empty heads from their ‘dark & remote regions’.


48 posted on 06/29/2012 11:16:24 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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