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Roberts' Ruling Took Guts
Townhall.com ^ | June 29, 2012 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 06/29/2012 5:34:04 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 06/29/2012 5:34:08 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

We hired Roberts to do a job. He did not do it. What he did was activism from the bench. He and the other 4 justices spit in the face of all Americans.


2 posted on 06/29/2012 5:37:43 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: Kaslin

This was the same guy who voted to uphold the 2nd amendment on a number of cases. It boggles the mind, this decision.

I think he became ‘belt-wayed’. The parties with the liberal washington in crowd. The brain washed spouse. And the promise of peace at home(whip cracking sound).

I hate DC


3 posted on 06/29/2012 5:38:16 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Kaslin

Very fine article, and not at all what I expected from the headline.

Jonah nails it.


4 posted on 06/29/2012 5:40:36 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (T)
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To: Kaslin

It must have taken guts — it sure as hell didn’t take any brains.


5 posted on 06/29/2012 5:40:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Kaslin

Somebody’s been reading too much VDH!


6 posted on 06/29/2012 5:41:40 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Vaquero

He has also refused to hear several cases of blatantly unconstitutional oppression of religious freedom, letting lower court ruling of suppression stand.

I’m beginning to see that Roberts may be “coming out” as many now liberal justices have done.


7 posted on 06/29/2012 5:41:46 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Kaslin
Roberts' Ruling Took Guts

Right. So did what Benedict Arnold did. Moron.

8 posted on 06/29/2012 5:42:32 AM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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To: Kaslin

Playing political games, especially because you’re trying to make nice with the Socialist-Liberals who hate you, in NOT the friggin’ job of a Justice of the Supreme Court. He was to rule on the Constitutionality of the Commerce Clause. But, he went a step farther and said: “Yeah; it Unconstitutional, but I’ll call it a Tax and let this p.o.s. stand.”
He has betrayed his office and this nation.


9 posted on 06/29/2012 5:43:15 AM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: Kaslin

I’ve been listening to Bill Bennett’s show since 0500 this morning. He has had lots of good guests on. Nobody can explain why the traitor Roberts has done this. Nobody.

He rewrote the law for the administration and CONVERTED the mandate to a tax and it never was. IF he was being clever he has been too clever by half. I think he was bought or threatened. He had to contort his logic to “justify” this.

Will someone, can someone enumerate and value the taxes in this monstrosity, let alone the freedoms it destroys.

I think I just heard Paul Ryan say there are 28 taxes buried in this. It is massively flawed. Can’t the republicans communicate, in some simple terms, what this has in it to the people?

I already hear working class people interviewed who are saying that they can’t afford any new costs. None. No new insurance and no new taxes. They are tapped out.


10 posted on 06/29/2012 5:44:19 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: Vaquero

In the end he thought more of himself and an institution that he thought of his country.


11 posted on 06/29/2012 5:45:31 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: Kaslin
“Some of Roberts’ defenders claim he's outmaneuvered everyone. By upholding ObamaCare, he's made future conservative decisions unassailable. He's poisoned the well of the commerce clause for liberals. He's removed the court as an election-year issue. He's gift-wrapped for Mitt Romney the attack that Obama has raised taxes massively, violating a host of promises and assurances. And, again, he's saved the legitimacy of the court.”

I prayed that it would be squashed yesterday, but I was not so naive to not consider the consequences if it had been so.

In reality though, all of the above is perfectly true.

Let zero talk his way out of the new mega TAX. Put the ball back in Congress’s court. It is true, Governments can TAX at will, but they do so at their own peril. This election has been gift wrapped for the GOP. Nothing More Nothing Less.

The Left even now are saying that this will all be forgotten by Nov. BS!!!!!!!!

Roberts, made it perfectly clear. WE THE PEOPLE still RULE!!

Let him try to tax us to fund abortions. The “Affordable Care Act” is going to die a slow painful death by a 1,000 cuts.

12 posted on 06/29/2012 5:47:06 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Things aren't as good as they should be and its Obama's fault, the resident said)
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To: Kaslin

Over all there is now new rules to follow in from both Arizona and Obamacare. For the long haul it will define more clearly the basic bill creation. Laws cant mandate you to purchase unless you want to tax people. We need to change back congress to states getting their Senators. That alone will alter the Congress.

Eventually laws get reversed but from now on illegals and commerce will be changed forever.


13 posted on 06/29/2012 5:47:31 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: Kaslin; All

The one thing folks forget is that zero has bribe files on everyone in power.

Remember the Build-a-burgers were in town right before this vote!


14 posted on 06/29/2012 5:47:58 AM PDT by seeker41 (CULPRIT CHINESE COMPANY INFO.)
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To: Kaslin
He's poisoned the well of the commerce clause for liberals.

I don't understand this line of reasoning.

Roberts' limitation on the Commerce Clause was set forth in part III-A of his opinion.

But NONE of the four liberals joined him as to part III-A of his opinion.

So Roberts did not convince any of the four liberals that the federal government's power is limited under the Commerce Clause.

The four conservatives (including Kennedy for this purpose) DID agree that ObamaCare was invalid under the Commerce Clause.

So it was 5-4 on the Commerce Clause.

And if Roberts had NOT upheld ObamaCare under the taxing power, it would still have been 5-4 on the Commerce Clause.

So I don't see how anyone can say that Roberts "poisoned the well of the Commerce Clause for liberals."

If Obama wins and appoints another liberal, then it will be 5-4 that the Commerce Clause does NOT limit government power.

And in that day, the fact that Roberts upheld ObamaCare won't make a bit of difference.

The liberal justices did not believe the Commerce Clause limited the power of government before Roberts' bizarre action, and they do not believe it afterward.

15 posted on 06/29/2012 5:48:50 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Cincinatus

Yes it did take brains to so intricately twist that legal pretzel to transform a penalty into a tax, especially given the language of the bill. I am going to agree with Goldberg, Roberts likely doesn’t even believe his own twisted reasoning. He made the decision purely on political grounds, to either save his arse from threats, or save the image of the Court.


16 posted on 06/29/2012 5:49:57 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Cincinatus

They got to him. He sold. The logic is so contorted as to be unrealistic. There are also messages in the ruling such as “not up to the court to protect the electorate from politicians they elect.”

Someone said that Granny Ginsberg threatened to retire. I got news for him... she will soon anyway. She will not last the next administration and won’t take the chance on a pubbie being on seat. I’m wondering what difference that makes any more though.


17 posted on 06/29/2012 5:51:59 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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I know it isn't the popular view at this moment, but I'm starting to think that, in fact, Roberts really snookered the libs into voting for HIS interpretation, which was not the smack-down but was probably much more damaging to liberalism over the long haul. The severe limitation of the commerce clause and the striking down of the Medicare imposition on states ripped the real guts out of Obamacare, while upholding the tax puts it back in the hands of Congress (where it should be) and allows us with reconciliation to eliminate it. Obviously, Obama will veto, and obviously, then, nothing will be funded.

If I understand the structure right, without the Medicare taxes on the states, and without taxes passed by the House, this thing is dead as Ronnie James Dio.

18 posted on 06/29/2012 5:53:30 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: HerrBlucher

In spite of him self and his intentions, if Patriots are activated by this misguided activism of Roberts and manage to right this wrong, then Roberts’ action will be good...in spite of him.


19 posted on 06/29/2012 5:56:01 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Kaslin

I’m sick up to here with the ROberts apologists. I do not see the pony that they do in this pile of crap.


20 posted on 06/29/2012 5:59:55 AM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: HerrBlucher

I don’t get it but I’m a simple man. I don’t get how this has saved the image of the court. It has made me scornful of it to wonder why we even have it.

The very idea that you can throw a decision preserve the image of the court is anathema to the integrity of the court.

We are morally, ethically and spiritually bankrupt. The ideas that right is right no matter how many are against you and wrong is wrong no matter how many are for it... is mostly dead.

I hope and pray that Roberts is haunted by some malevolent spirit for the rest of his miserable life and that it drives him to madness.


21 posted on 06/29/2012 6:00:25 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: Kaslin

The idea that Roberts poisoned the well of the commerce clause by voting to uphold Obamacare is total BS. The 4 desenters said the same thing and had he of voted with them the result with regard to the commerce clause would have been the same. Instead he has opened a whole new can of worms regarding the government using taxation to force us to do something.


22 posted on 06/29/2012 6:05:46 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: GoldenPup

Read the article. He’s hardly happy with Robert’s decision. The “guts” is referring to actual intestines, livers, etc.


23 posted on 06/29/2012 6:07:44 AM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Kaslin

Goldberg writes an excellent article. Some deluded “conservatives” are trying to second-guess Roberts thinking he did this to preserve the integrity of the court. He was trying to prevent critics of the court of making the claim that the court was biased. So he was going to fair to the libs. What gibberish. The court is not there to take into consequence feelings or appearances of bias....it’s there to rule on law...period. Roberts screwed up.


24 posted on 06/29/2012 6:08:50 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Sequoyah101

It clearly doesn’t save the image of the court to people like you and me, it does just the opposite. Roberts was likely thinking of the general public and how they would have been bombarded with “the scotus is political and illegitimate” by the msm and the usurper had he rejected the whole bill.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 6:08:59 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Baseballguy

We can, we MUST, amend the constitution to limit the size and scope of the government.

Apparently, our justices can’t read old English.


26 posted on 06/29/2012 6:10:03 AM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Sequoyah101

“not up to the court to protect the electorate from politicians they elect.”

This is so absurd. Why do we even need a Supreme Court that is suppose to uphold the Constitution.

So if congress passed a law (without a constitutional amendment) saying ONLY foreigners could be president the Supreme Court would rule “tough luck what the Constitution says...you voted for these representative who voted for this.”

There whole role is to be part of the “checks and balance” system. To stop unconstitutional laws. Robert’s just negated their whole purpose for being.


27 posted on 06/29/2012 6:11:25 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: BornToBeAmerican

“Roberts, made it perfectly clear. WE THE PEOPLE still RULE!!

The “Affordable Care Act” is going to die a slow painful death by a 1,000 cuts.”

I think so too.

I know we’re unhappy, to say the least, but I also think obama and the dems will be chasing their tails with this ruling.


28 posted on 06/29/2012 6:14:49 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: SueRae

Follow the advice of post #23.


29 posted on 06/29/2012 6:15:22 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: LS
If I understand the structure right, without the Medicare taxes on the states, and without taxes passed by the House, this thing is dead as Ronnie James Dio.

I don't think that's correct, LS.

The dark heart of ObamaCare is that it requires (essentially) that all health insurance in the United States must eventually conform to what the federal government decides it should cover.

In other words, for the vast majority of people, the federal government will make the decision as to whether or not a particular treatment will be allowed to be paid.

If someone comes up with a breakthrough treatment for a particular condition, it is not enough to convince doctors or even insurance companies of it. One will have to go on bended knee to a stupid federal bureaucrat, and convince him or her to allow it to be paid as an accepted treatment.

Naturally these will be political decisions, especially whenever the Left is in charge of the bureaucracy. And of course "pay to play" will be the order of the day as companies that provide medical devices or other treatments will need to curry favor with the politicians in order to ensure that the government will allow insurance policies to pay for that particular treatment.

And because a Soviet-style government bureaucracy is about the least efficient approach possible to allocating health resources, there will be massive waste and fraud and uncontrollable costs will lead to rationing of treatments and attempts at federal control of all lifestyle decisions in the name of managing healthcare costs.

My understanding is that all of that goes ahead even if states decline to accept the additional Medicaid funding to cover people up to 130% of the poverty line.

30 posted on 06/29/2012 6:15:40 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: HerrBlucher

And this is why the bastards enjoy the luxury of life time appointments... so that they are above criticism and can always do the right thing with blind justice. Thus the designation Supreme Court. They answer only to the law and the Constitution. At least they are supposed to. It sure looks like Roberts answers to something else.

“Roberts was likely thinking of the general public and how they would have been bombarded with “the scotus is political and illegitimate” by the msm and the usurper had he rejected the whole bill.”


31 posted on 06/29/2012 6:16:12 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Excellent article indeed. Here we have Roberts creating his own penumbras and emanations... But I still don’t know why.


32 posted on 06/29/2012 6:17:05 AM PDT by livius
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"..Now, I don't know what's in Roberts' heart, but no court watcher I've heard from puts much weight on the idea that Roberts did anything other than reason backward from the result he wanted in order to buy respect from the court's critics at the expense of his own beliefs.."

If he did it once he will do it again. I am afraid we have Earl Warren II.

33 posted on 06/29/2012 6:19:20 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Smokeyblue

At this point I wonder why we need either congress or the sc. One does nothing and the other is a puppet to the white hut.

Your logic is correct... the very idea that the court has no obligation to protect the electorate is absurd. Just what is the court supposed to do? What does he think their job is actually. Do they just float on ethereal clouds and contemplate their navels?

Roberts is a traitor.


34 posted on 06/29/2012 6:19:25 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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“...finding a way to save the reputation of the court...”

...from the libel and slander of the left had the ruling gone against Obamacare. (Progressive, pretentious, adolescent scu*bags.)

IMHO


35 posted on 06/29/2012 6:24:52 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Kaslin
Roberts' Ruling Took Guts

Baloney. If he had real guts, he would have stood up to Obama and done the right thing. Instead, he cowtowed to pressure from the White House to uphold the law.

36 posted on 06/29/2012 6:33:38 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Kaslin

Are we allowed to post the entire piece, or should this be just an excerpt?


37 posted on 06/29/2012 6:34:36 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: LS
The severe limitation of the commerce clause and the striking down of the Medicare imposition on states ripped the real guts out of Obamacare, while upholding the tax puts it back in the hands of Congress (where it should be) and allows us with reconciliation to eliminate it.

This is a key thing for the next couple months. The house has already scheduled a vote to repeal, but everyone says Ried will block it from the senate or the Dems won't vote for Cloture to allow it to come to a vote.

I believe that by this now being a tax and therefore being subject to budget reconciliation Ried and the Dems CAN'T block it from comeing to a vote.

So there may be a silver lining in that all the Dems currently in trouble for November may be forced to vote in support of the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY again right before the election.

That leaves two possible outcomes: There loss is all but assured if they vote to uphold the TAX or a couple may choose to vote against it to save themselves.

Sure, any vote before November is symbolic as Obastard will just Veto it, but whether it gets voted down or vetoed the Dem Senators that are in play in November will once more be on record.

38 posted on 06/29/2012 6:37:23 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Kaslin

Not sure which anti-seizure drug he’s on but they all have mental impairment side effects. These can range from confusion and disorientation to thoughts of suicide. A rumor has it that his liberal law clerks write the opinions. Hmmmmm!


39 posted on 06/29/2012 6:38:54 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: MEGoody

Read the article, it agrees with you.


40 posted on 06/29/2012 6:39:52 AM PDT by free me (Roberts killed America)
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To: Meet the New Boss

“One will have to go on bended knee to a stupid federal bureaucrat, and convince him or her to allow it to be paid as an accepted treatment. “

Aren’t they already doing that? How many years does it take to get a drug or procedure approved by the FDA?


41 posted on 06/29/2012 6:41:23 AM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: driftless2

So let me see if I understand. . .

If the SC rules according to the Constitution, the result is biased and the image of the court suffers.

If, on the other hand, the SC invents law out of whole-cloth, the result is both wise and insightful, the image of the court is burnished, unicorns poop Skittles, rainbows come out of everyone’s a$$, . . .


42 posted on 06/29/2012 6:41:51 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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To: isthisnickcool

Somewhere Hillary is laughing.She probably has a drink in her hand too.


43 posted on 06/29/2012 6:45:48 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: GoldenPup

Upholding the grand FR tradition of not reading the article before posting a reply since 2006.


44 posted on 06/29/2012 6:47:01 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: FrogMom

Yes it takes years and a billion dollars to get a new drug through the FDA.

In the future, add to that the cost of political contributions to the Democrats to ensure that bureaucrats will allow insurance to cover the new drug.


45 posted on 06/29/2012 6:47:49 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: GoldenPup
Roberts' Ruling Took Guts

Right. So did what Benedict Arnold did. Moron.

You might want to rethink your comment about Jonah Goldberg being a moron. Perhaps by reading the article you will come to realize that the headline relates to the ancient practice of "reading" sheep guts. Goldberg essentially agrees with you, dear.

46 posted on 06/29/2012 6:52:33 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Vaquero
“If you want a friend in D.C. - buy a dog” Harry Truman

Maybe we should have gotten Roberts a dog. ;)

His new friends will praise his ‘statesmanship’ (A Judge should never be a statesman and have his finger in the political wind), his ‘leadership’, his ‘impartiality’ - for a day. Then if they don't like his next rulings - he will be back to being a fire breathing ideologue according to them.

47 posted on 06/29/2012 6:59:20 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Kaslin

Roberts violated his oath of office and removed the rule of law and the Constitution as instruments to limit an all powerful government. He legislated from the bench and he put us into a post Constitutional era... it took a leftist ideological activist to make this decision... it had nothing to do with guts. He ruled exactly how he wanted to rule and he did it as every leftist, activist jurist has ever done before him. Reference my first sentence.

LLS


48 posted on 06/29/2012 6:59:42 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Kaslin
That's all very interesting, but it leaves aside the real issue: None of those concerns are what was asked of the court.

Years ago, I had no use for Goldberg's writing. He used too many pop culture references and tried a bit too hard to be clever.

He has matured as a writer greatly. He is concise, expressing big ideas in a small number of words. This was a very good piece.
49 posted on 06/29/2012 7:01:33 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Cincinatus
the Washington area is full of govt statists...they dominate the schools, the law offices, the good neighborhoods, etc...

Roberts let himself get manipulated...

either that or he was just a fake to begin with...

or evil....

or just stupid...

I don't know what reason is worse...

50 posted on 06/29/2012 7:06:55 AM PDT by cherry
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