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Roberts' Ruling Took Guts
Townhall.com ^ | June 29, 2012 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 06/29/2012 5:34:04 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: SueRae

re read the article...sarcasm....like in “it took guts for Roberts to sit there straight faced and spout such insanity”


51 posted on 06/29/2012 7:14:49 AM PDT by cherry
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To: commish

I believe that by this now being a tax and therefore being subject to budget reconciliation Ried and the Dems CAN’T block it from comeing to a vote.

Interesting, but you will agree there is no such thing as budget reconciliation until the Senate decides to submit a budget. That is one of the major problems getting spending cuts. No budget or reconciliation for over 1100 days or so.


52 posted on 06/29/2012 7:26:03 AM PDT by wita
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To: Meet the New Boss
I don't understand this line of reasoning. Roberts' limitation on the Commerce Clause was set forth in part III-A of his opinion.
But NONE of the four liberals joined him as to part III-A of his opinion.
So Roberts did not convince any of the four liberals that the federal government's power is limited under the Commerce Clause.
The four conservatives (including Kennedy for this purpose) DID agree that ObamaCare was invalid under the Commerce Clause.
So it was 5-4 on the Commerce Clause.
And if Roberts had NOT upheld ObamaCare under the taxing power, it would still have been 5-4 on the Commerce Clause.
So I don't see how anyone can say that Roberts "poisoned the well of the Commerce Clause for liberals."
If Obama wins and appoints another liberal, then it will be 5-4 that the Commerce Clause does NOT limit government power.
And in that day, the fact that Roberts upheld ObamaCare won't make a bit of difference.
The liberal justices did not believe the Commerce Clause limited the power of government before Roberts' bizarre action, and they do not believe it afterward.

Good summation. There is no "silver lining" to this. Roberts betrayed his own oath of office. Also, I see no reason to expect anything better from him in future decisions.

"Meet the new Souter, same as the old Souter".

53 posted on 06/29/2012 7:31:56 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sequoyah101
I’ve been listening to Bill Bennett’s show since 0500 this morning

Did you hear the couple of MD's that called in that are forming their own doctor groups that will not take patients in Medicare or Medicaid? Did you hear them talk about what might happen to their licenses if they don't take all patients on assistance and agree to the huge pay cuts that come with them?

And then the one doctor said it is all by design, in the bill it has language about new doctors that are being taught that their first allegiance is to the state not to their patients?

54 posted on 06/29/2012 7:35:59 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Kaslin
Roberts has the infection. He told us his court is not the place to go for Constitutional opinions.

What he said was, "You want "Constitutional"? You'd better start electing it. I won't do "Constitutional" for you."

In other words, if you want something done right, do it yourself.

55 posted on 06/29/2012 7:38:40 AM PDT by GBA (To understand what is happening to America and why, read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
If he did it once he will do it again. I am afraid we have Earl Warren II.

For THIRTY more years!

56 posted on 06/29/2012 7:51:25 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Sorry but they already tax us to fund abortions. They give money to Planned Abortionhood every year and turn a blind eye to how it is spent.


57 posted on 06/29/2012 7:54:50 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: LS
The severe limitation of the commerce clause and the striking down of the Medicare imposition on states ripped the real guts out of Obamacare, while upholding the tax puts it back in the hands of Congress (where it should be) and allows us with reconciliation to eliminate it. Obviously, Obama will veto, and obviously, then, nothing will be funded.

That is the sheer genius of it!

58 posted on 06/29/2012 8:00:14 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Kaslin
Roberts' Ruling Took Guts

It sure didn't take any brains.

59 posted on 06/29/2012 8:01:53 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: thirst4truth

Yes, I did hear it. Bennett has one of the best little known shows on the air.

It is all about control isn’t it?


60 posted on 06/29/2012 8:02:04 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: Kaslin

In other words: Roberts decision is a steaming pile of offal.


61 posted on 06/29/2012 8:12:40 AM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: rockrr

Sad but True.


62 posted on 06/29/2012 8:16:07 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Things aren't as good as they should be and its Obama's fault, the resident said)
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To: thirst4truth
Right, Roberts will be there for a long time!

At first Roberts looked great. I had high hopes for him and I know I wasn't alone. I don't know how Justices can be chosen with any good probability that they will rule decently. George W. Bush did not intend anything like this. Earl Warren was an Eisenhower appointee. Warren was one of Ike's regrets and on and on with other Presidents.

Whatever guilt or needs driving them are going to come out once they get that appointment. Roberts wants to be popular and appear Statesmanlike. I do not think he made any friends yesterday. He lost the Conservatives and the liberals though they write glowing praise must hold him in private contempt for having no character.

63 posted on 06/29/2012 8:16:19 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Kaslin

Robert may be a genius. Now, because of him, Obama is defeated, the GOP holds the House and take the Senate. Then they repeal Obamacare.

What’s not to like?


64 posted on 06/29/2012 8:35:35 AM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: Kaslin
If you can wrap your mind around the fact that the entire bill was never going to be invalidated by the SC then Robert's actions become a little more comprehensible.
65 posted on 06/29/2012 8:36:12 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrats are the problem. Vote them out, all of them.)
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To: rockrr

Sad but True.


66 posted on 06/29/2012 8:39:58 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Things aren't as good as they should be and its Obama's fault, the resident said)
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To: Kaslin

Roberts thinks he is too clever and the great splitter of the difference - a man more noble than most. I agree with Scalia, that it is mere verbal wizardry - so much so that words cease to mean anything. Someone either got to Roberts and blackmailed him or he is an arrogant SOB.


67 posted on 06/29/2012 9:02:28 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Reagan69
Goldberg got some of his terms a bit mixed up. The priests were "augurs"--"augury" (augurium was what they did (observation and interpretation of omens). Latin auspicium, from which we get "auspices," meant divination by means of birds. A haruspex was an expert on interpretation of entrails (haruspicina was the "art of inspecting entrails").
68 posted on 06/29/2012 9:56:36 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: LS

Mark


69 posted on 06/29/2012 10:06:14 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: Kaslin

Guts??

It does not to take “guts” to give away your honor and integrity.... it takes free will. Once given, integrity and honor can never be reclaimed.

No, I didn’t read the article.... any excuse for what Roberts did is unacceptable.


70 posted on 06/29/2012 10:52:59 AM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Gator113
"No, I didn’t read the article.... any excuse for what Roberts did is unacceptable."

If you HAD read the article you would have seen that no excuse was given. Rather it is very critical of Roberts and excellently written to boot.

is Free Republic really now a place where people brag about not reading articles while providing stupid ass opinions?

71 posted on 06/29/2012 11:17:31 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: wolf24

“....is Free Republic really now a place where people brag about not reading articles while providing stupid ass opinions? “

KMA


72 posted on 06/29/2012 4:53:56 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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