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Border Patrol union blasts DHS instructions to 'run away' & 'hide' from gunmen [O wants cartel in]
Fox News ^ | June 29 2012 | Perry Chiaramonte

Posted on 06/29/2012 12:33:02 PM PDT by NoLibZone

Border Patrol agents in Arizona are blasting their bosses for telling them, along with all other Department of Homeland Security employees, to run and hide if they encounter an "active shooter."

It's one thing to tell civilian employees to cower under a desk if a gunman starts spraying fire in a confined area, say members of Tucson Local 2544/National Border Patrol Council, but to give armed law enforcement professionals the same advice is downright insulting. The instructions from DHS come in the form of pamphlets and a mandatory computer tutorial.

“We are now taught in an ‘Active Shooter’ course that if we encounter a shooter in a public place we are to ‘run away’ and ‘hide’" union leader Brandon Judd wrote on the website of 3,300-member union local. “If we are cornered by such a shooter we are to (only as a last resort) become ‘aggressive’ and ‘throw things’ at him or her. We are then advised to ‘call law enforcement’ and wait for their arrival (presumably, while more innocent victims are slaughtered)."

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To: beelzepug

I agree. Ignore the feds, implement the AZ law and then instead of referrals to the feds why don’t the AZ agents themselves physically deport the aliens across the border? I am not familiar with that border so I am not clear on whether this is even possible. But what comes to my mind is for the States to simply take the law into their own hands and ignore the Federal Government and the Supreme Court.

This is a different model than formal secession and armies. This is virtual secession on certain issues and laws. I am not sure how the feds would be able to do much about it. Then if they do show up with tanks and guns against their own people and physically prevent AZ from deporting aliens then wouldn’t that be a sight? The feds showing they have enough resources to go after their own people but not enough to go after illegals?


51 posted on 06/29/2012 5:19:17 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: NoLibZone

No, he wants an excuse to put boots on the ground in the U.S. and would love for AZ to be first.


52 posted on 06/29/2012 5:45:46 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

“Oh now I get it.. Because Border Patrol agents might end up getting killed by one of Eric Holder’s ‘Fast & Furious’ criminal informants like Agent Brian Terry did?”

That was my first thought. I’ve read the ATF was sweating bullets (no pun intended) that Jared Loughner had shot Gabrielle Giffords with a F&F weapon.

Another American killed on American soil with a weapon supplied by Eric withHolder’s people would not be good for oHomo.


53 posted on 06/29/2012 5:49:49 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (If there were three candidates - Romney, Øbama, and Satan, Øbama would come in third.)
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To: UCANSEE2
...based on a deal between Calderon and Obama...

They're both bought and paid for. It explains everything.

54 posted on 06/29/2012 6:05:54 PM PDT by Stentor (Former free citizen of the US. Currently subject of the same.)
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To: NoLibZone

From Obama’s earliest writings, it is clear he hates America and supports any and all efforts to destroy America and everything she stands for.


55 posted on 06/29/2012 6:21:18 PM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: NoLibZone
Wouldn't it be a waste of tax payer dollars if our government ran thousands of assault weapons into Mexico but the guns didn't come back to murder Americans so the government can justify the executive order to ban guns?

With secure borders ONLY innocent Mexicans would be killed by our government's actions. We can't have that now can we.

56 posted on 06/29/2012 6:22:17 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com/)
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To: kidd
Obama has done just about everything he could to denigrate the Executive branch ~

He may well have reached the point where the citizenry should ignore him, as should the employees.

Even Napolitano has no more idea of what to do than to run for the hills.

57 posted on 06/29/2012 6:27:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NoLibZone

Why not just take their weapons away?


58 posted on 06/29/2012 6:29:46 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: UCANSEE2

Documented proof that the FEDS have deeded Arizona to the Sinaloa Cartel, based on a deal between Calderon and Obama because they couldn’t stop the cartels.


Calderon is doing his best to stop the cartels, but obama’s arming them to the teeth with military grade weapons.


59 posted on 06/29/2012 6:33:13 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: NoLibZone

Is there any reason to keep this Administration in office?


60 posted on 06/29/2012 6:56:51 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: doug from upland
Here is the attitude of some on this forum.

When a sadist breaks into your home and asks which eye - right or left - you'd prefer to keep, considering his question is a wrong choice in itself. Neither option is acceptable.

61 posted on 06/29/2012 11:37:20 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: NoLibZone

>> Article: We are now taught in an Active Shooter course that if we encounter a shooter in a public place we are to run away and hide” union leader Brandon Judd wrote

The written policy is likely more varnished than described so candidly by Judd, but we all know the asswipes responsible for bleeding out our Country fully intend for Judd’s interpretation.

I’m not a fan of public unions, but I fully support this form of union representation.

Border Partol is suffering an analogous level of RoE the Military has to deal with in combat.

# the g-damn Marxists. They must be... disempowered.


62 posted on 06/29/2012 11:52:16 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: NoLibZone

Hey all you swing voting Palin hating independent Obama voters in 2008... How you feel now?


63 posted on 06/30/2012 12:05:54 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: NoLibZone

When I got in the car after work, they were talking about this on the radio. It was halfway through the conversation. Did they really tell them to throw staplers at the shooters????


64 posted on 06/30/2012 12:07:31 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: NoLibZone
I believe the plan is to have a terrorist attack, marshal law, firearm confiscation and cancel the election for the October surprise.

Welcome to communist america.

65 posted on 06/30/2012 1:55:58 AM PDT by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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To: LadyEleanor

No, this is not a joke

One of my friends down in S Texas is a Captain in the Hebronville Sector for CBP and he actually failed this question on the online pop test given. He could not believe it.

I also quized him about the bean bag equipment used during the Brian Terry murder. This is also true that Brian Terry was only equiped with a bean bag shooter and his side arm that night he and his team was ambushed.

Our Feral Goverment DOES not want the border secure.....simple as that. Time for Texas to secede and to return to our original Texas Republic borders.


66 posted on 06/30/2012 3:38:55 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: NoLibZone

I’m thinking there’s something more sinister here:

Border patrol agents are federal employees. Federal employees are told to call law enforcement if they see threatening illegals.

Law enforcement are local or state employees.

So here’s the scenario:

Border patrol employee sees evil illegals coming across the border.
Border patrol agent hides and dials 911.
Local or state cops arrive.
Altercation with illegals ensues.
Shots are fired.
Border patrol agents witness what’s happening.
Illegals are killed.
U.S. attorney general opens investigation into altercation.
Charges are filed against locals for violating rights of illegals.
Because border patrol agents are only witnesses, attorney general does not have to prosecute federal employees, only local or state cops.

Does anyone doubt that this is an incorrect interpretation?


67 posted on 06/30/2012 4:14:55 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (OBAMA!!'s name is all caps as sarcasm to indicate a lack of respect, as he does not deserve it)
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To: NoLibZone

So, as douche bag gets put in contempt for Fast and Furious, they keep running Fast and Furious and making sure agents do not interfere in any way, not even getting shot at...

What the heck is going in Congress?

Impeach and stop these people, the house is burning and they do NOTHING.


68 posted on 06/30/2012 4:35:03 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: doug from upland

Lunacy is right....and, in some cases, I suspect infiltration.


69 posted on 06/30/2012 5:10:00 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: NoLibZone

From the Obama administration’s list of accomplishments:
Taking brave men and teaching them how to be cowards
Fits right in with his campaign to Gay-ify the military.


70 posted on 06/30/2012 5:38:16 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: NoLibZone
The Kenyan Clown hates and despises this country, and works to destroy it.

Even the left must see how stupid and counterproductive this "run and hide" edict from the Kenyan usurper is, though no doubt that they will attempt to rationalize when confronted with such dangerous and irrational dictates from the White Hut.

Indeed, I will guess that none of the MSM will condescend to even mention this particularly stupid directive; searching Google News yields nothing yet except for this Fox News story and one from Human Events.

71 posted on 06/30/2012 5:43:05 AM PDT by snowsislander (Please, America, no more dog-eating Kenyan cokeheads in the Oval Office.)
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To: NoLibZone

Recommended rules of engagement:

If anyone comes North across the border armed, they die.


72 posted on 06/30/2012 8:54:29 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: dragnet2
Perfect.

And funny!

73 posted on 06/30/2012 9:33:42 AM PDT by ST.LOUIE1
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To: NoLibZone

All Mitt has to say here is that he won’t order the Border Patrol to be chicken!


74 posted on 06/30/2012 10:34:30 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Born to Conserve

Arizona, other border states need to treat such invasion as war. They have a black letter constitutional right to do so.


75 posted on 06/30/2012 10:37:06 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: NoLibZone

Obama wants the border overrun so the Cartel can kill Americans.

Obamma wants the border overrun so...the army he has been arming and setting up from Russia, China, and Iran can begin their assault before the election easier..most are already here..


76 posted on 06/30/2012 11:56:55 AM PDT by aces
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To: eartick

The NRA oughta be running a huge ad campaign about this horrific training program and the fact that all that Agent Brian Terry had was a “BEAN BAG SHOOTER” and his single side arm!! This is Beyond Traitorous Actions that the Obama Administration is reeking on Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, California and America!!


77 posted on 06/30/2012 12:15:08 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: Humidston

Humidston wrote “Anybody want to try to convnce me that this man isn’t orchestrating the complete destruction of our great country?”

You are exactly right! If ever there was a near-perfect setup for a terrorist enterprise; it would be the State of Arizons right now. And our Independence day is at hand. With their
penchant for symbolism; wouldn’t they love to hit us on that day?

Why can’t anyone see the contempt our Dear Leader has shown for America, it’s values and it’s citizens from day one?


78 posted on 06/30/2012 12:33:56 PM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Humidston

It all makes perfect sense once you understand he is our enemy.


79 posted on 06/30/2012 12:34:18 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Humidston

Humidston wrote “Anybody want to try to convnce me that this man isn’t orchestrating the complete destruction of our great country?”

You are exactly right! If ever there was a near-perfect setup for a terrorist enterprise; it would be the State of Arizons right now. And our Independence day is at hand. With their
penchant for symbolism; wouldn’t they love to hit us on that day?

Why can’t anyone see the contempt our Dear Leader has shown for America, it’s values and it’s citizens from day one?


80 posted on 06/30/2012 12:34:23 PM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: NoLibZone

Somehow, Monty Python comes to mind.....”Run away!” “Run away!”


81 posted on 06/30/2012 12:34:39 PM PDT by Gaffer (NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost; stephenjohnbanker; Liz; DoughtyOne
Oh now I get it.. Because Border Patrol agents might end up getting killed by one of Eric Holder’s ‘Fast & Furious’ criminal informants like Agent Brian Terry did?

Obama's policies and political maneuvers are remarkably consistent in supporting the invasion.

82 posted on 06/30/2012 12:44:36 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: NoLibZone

Perhaps, this is where “it” starts.


83 posted on 06/30/2012 1:38:07 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: True Republican Patriot

As far as I am concerned, the Feral Government has declared war on Arizona and Texas, not so sure about Culifornia and New Mexico.

I think Brewer sees it, but our Perry Winkle is too busy coming off of his run for president high right now and touring the other states.


84 posted on 06/30/2012 3:05:07 PM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Born to Conserve
Recommended rules of engagement:

If anyone comes North across the border armed, they die.


85 posted on 06/30/2012 3:22:11 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: Gaffer
I thought the same thing, Run away!

It'd be funny if they weren't serious.

86 posted on 06/30/2012 3:37:14 PM PDT by csvset
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To: NoLibZone
There's still over a thousand Fast and Furious weapons out there. Another dead Border Patrol agent could doom Obama.
87 posted on 06/30/2012 8:48:04 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: NoLibZone

So if the mexican army or their police forced tried to cross the border firing their weapons they would expect the country to surrender? Oh well so much for living in a sovereign nation.

We are no longer a republic of laws, but one of criminals, looters and slaves.


88 posted on 06/30/2012 11:31:40 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: NoLibZone

Don’t they issue border patrolmen guns? WTF!


89 posted on 07/01/2012 12:54:30 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: NoLibZone
Janet Nappy has to go. 'Run and Hide' is the typical response of a girl. But that's how she proposes to 'protect the homeland'?!? Utterly. Freaking. Bizarre!

Armed Law Enforcement Agents do NOT 'run and hide' from the bad guys. Hell, real Americans don't run and hide from a fight (Geo Patton would be spinning in his grave at 'run and hide'). But if Janet really is oh-sooooooo worried about the BP Agent's safety just -- Give Them Bigger Guns than the bad guys have.

We have plenty of M14's and 1911's in storage that could be issued tomorrow. Plus more than a few 'Tommy Guns' are still in US FedGov storage. Rake an area of brush with a Thompson and not many bad guys will be getting up afterward.

A couple weeks back I caught a part of a program on the Military Channel on 'best all time rifles' (iirc). A Sheriff said he stills prefers using a Thompson over the AR. That he knows if he hits someone with it they're going down, and staying down.

90 posted on 07/01/2012 5:37:02 AM PDT by Condor51 (Never mess with an old man. He won't fight you he'll just kill you.)
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To: doug from upland

His first goal was to takeover the economy, his second goal was to create job loss making the private sector dependent on the government, third goal, breach our borders, create unrest and destroy our security. This is another opportunity for Obama to overtly and intentionally go against the people and the constitution. Whatever the majority is for, he is against. It is his pattern and what he does, push them and see what happens. This is a test leading to complete takeover, actually I think we are already there. Barrack Obama is the greatest, best planned terrorist attack to ever strike this country.


91 posted on 07/01/2012 6:45:51 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: plain talk
But what comes to my mind is for the States to simply take the law into their own hands and ignore the Federal Government and the Supreme Court.

Are you kidding! That would be like, ALMOST taking a stand. Can't have that!

92 posted on 07/01/2012 8:46:59 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Chode
As Michele Bachmann said on Mark Levin's show Friday, we are at war and we should NOT aid the enemy...thwart the enemy's moves and throw obstacles in their path. In wars, jobs, property, lives may be lost. In war, you may have to lose something in order to WIN.
93 posted on 07/01/2012 5:28:08 PM PDT by itssme
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To: Nachum

Please add me to your ping list.


94 posted on 07/01/2012 5:29:30 PM PDT by itssme
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To: Toespi
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him. The enemy wins sometime and sometimes we win. No praise of any kind should be given to the enemy. Better we all work together and FOCUS on what we all must do to thwart this enemy, throw obstacles in their path, and WIN THE DAMN WAR IN NOVEMBER.

The evil that is socialist/communist/marxist/revolutionary/sharia-loving oboma can go to hell....let's make that happen.

95 posted on 07/01/2012 5:39:55 PM PDT by itssme
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To: itssme
Er ist Kein Kindergarten Krieg... Er ist Vernichtungskrieg!!!
96 posted on 07/01/2012 6:03:11 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Translation please?


97 posted on 07/01/2012 9:39:38 PM PDT by itssme
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To: doug from upland

Amen, Doug!


98 posted on 07/01/2012 9:52:24 PM PDT by Humidston (For the first time in my adult life I FEAR my government.)
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To: NoLibZone

I swear, we are now living in Bizzaro world. Really? LEO’s are not supposed to defend themselves and run? WTF!


99 posted on 07/01/2012 11:15:52 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: itssme
this is no Kindergarten war, it's a war of annihilation...
100 posted on 07/02/2012 4:45:59 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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