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Kids who bullied bus monitor suspended for a year, assigned to reform school
Hot Air.com ^ | June 29, 2012 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 06/30/2012 10:06:19 AM PDT by Kaslin

You need closure.

Following individual meetings this week with school and district administrators, each family waived their right to a hearing and agreed to one-year suspensions from school and regular bus transportation. The Greece Central School District is legally required to provide all students ages 5 to 16 with an education, therefore, during the 2012-13 school year, the students who have been suspended will be transferred to the district Reengagement Center, located in a non-school facility. This alternative education program keeps middle school students on track academically while providing a structured opportunity for students to take responsibility for their actions by completing community service hours and receiving formal instruction related to conduct and behavior that prepares them for a productive future. The program includes a strong parent involvement component.

Each student will be required to complete 50 hours of community service with senior citizens and will complete a formal program in bullying prevention, respect and responsibility. In accordance with district policy, if at 30 weeks into the school year the students have completed the conditions of their discipline and are in good standing at the Reengagement Center, they can apply for early readmission to Athena Middle School.

Too much, too little, or just enough? A year’s a stiff sentence for 10 or so minutes of verbal harassment, as nasty as it was, but the school district’s under immense pressure to be strict with the little cretins. And this incident’s playing out, of course, amid growing awareness culturally of how bad the effects of bullying can be. Crack down on this bunch and you send a national message given the spotlight on this case.

Because I know you’re wondering, the donations for Klein now stand north of $668,000. Per the Times, more than 30,000 people have contributed from all 50 states and 82 countries. Two days ago, she finally met the man who came up with the idea. Here’s the vid from WGRZ.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: New York
KEYWORDS: athena; bullying; busmonitor; education; klein; livewoodchipper; monitor; newyork; overkill; punishment; schoolbus; schoolbusbullies; schooldistrict; suspension
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

One should not accept a job that they cannot handle.

The lady could handle the job of being a bus monitor, not better than she could handle the job of being a brain surgeon.


51 posted on 06/30/2012 11:10:59 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: miss marmelstein

Miss M, the people on this thread defending/excusing/complaining ARE THE VERY REASON those little BXtards exist.


52 posted on 06/30/2012 11:11:55 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Kaslin

This punishment just may save those little stinkers’ lives.

They won’t be bragging about it, unless THEY are now being touted as victims.

Let them hang their heads a good long while. I hope they learn their lesson.


53 posted on 06/30/2012 11:12:28 AM PDT by b9
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To: BLOC77

The whole scene was a production for the video. A copycat of the rap star beating videos on the internet. I would say conspiring to do that makes them severely emotionally disturbed. Continuation school or whatever they call it there is well deserved.


54 posted on 06/30/2012 11:13:59 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Uncle Slayton

Was she supposed to make up her own “job” rules? School administrations today are notorious for disempowering the adults. She was a figurehead, designed to be such by her employers. If she was at any fault, it was for being old fashioned enough to believe that just being there as a grownup with the kids would get them to behave themselves.


55 posted on 06/30/2012 11:15:43 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Yes! They absolutely sicken me. As if this elderly woman could have done anything to stop them. In this PC world, if she had touched one hair on the head of these little Rosemary Babies, she would have been in the slammer. If she had raised a finger to hurt them, they could have torn her to pieces.

P.S.: Did you read that these monsters are going to work in a nursing home?? I wouldn’t let them near my 87 year old mom - even with supervision.


56 posted on 06/30/2012 11:16:37 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Norm Lenhart

They were 7th grade kids and each and every day millions of parents, teachers, coaches, grandparents and bus monitors manage to keep control of 7th grade kids.

It is not as if she had the job of maintaining control of prisoners on their way to GitMo.


57 posted on 06/30/2012 11:18:03 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

My daughter in our little town had a teacher with over 40 years in the job. She quit the next year because the school refused to let the teachers use the most minor forms of control and discipline. In her own words, that’s the only reason she quit. She would have taught into her 80s had the situation been different.


58 posted on 06/30/2012 11:19:18 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: miss marmelstein

I agree, this sounds way too optimistic an assignment. The brats ought to be made to clean and groom the grounds of the nursing home and other things maybe where they are well separated from the residents. Otherwise they might think it great fun to unplug some funny looking old lady’s respirator.


59 posted on 06/30/2012 11:19:43 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: miss marmelstein
P.S.: Did you read that these monsters are going to work in a nursing home?? I wouldn’t let them near my 87 year old mom - even with supervision.

Good point.

60 posted on 06/30/2012 11:20:17 AM PDT by b9
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To: Uncle Slayton

The fact that you keep dodging the issue of the actual prescribed (not potential, prescribed) Rules Of Engagement means you have no leg to stand upon here. If you are an uncle I feel sorry for your nieces and nephews.


61 posted on 06/30/2012 11:21:23 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: dennisw
"..3 months is enough for a child to get the message and for his parents to have to make time to drive him/her to school "

Perhaps..but not nearly enough time for the parents.

62 posted on 06/30/2012 11:22:39 AM PDT by evad (It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax, It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

Yeah! Since the little dears picked up from their elders and all the health nazis that it’s OK to humiliate the overweight, I’m sure they’d love to secretly unplug some device on a fat sick old lady.


63 posted on 06/30/2012 11:22:46 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Uncle Slayton

The hell she didn’t!@ Those animals were not ‘kids’, they were mental defective sociopaths.

You make unsupportable excuses and your attitude is why so many little sociopaths run the world....from the lives of their parents/teachers to DC. They grow up thinking they are untouchable because people with your attitude ensure they are free to do what ever the hell they want with a sertnly worded letter and punishment for their victims..

And they do.


64 posted on 06/30/2012 11:23:54 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

Again, the woman needed to do her job, but she failed in that responsibility. And in this country for some reason, we love to reward failure and because this woman was a failure, she was given more than a half million dollars.


65 posted on 06/30/2012 11:25:20 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Uncle Slayton

Where are you getting the rules of employment she received?

Simple observation of what is going on nationwide lends great weight to my argument that she was put there to be a figurehead and would have been the one to get into dutch had she even so much as “distracted the bus driver” by complaining to him.


66 posted on 06/30/2012 11:27:02 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Whether or not you wanted to vomit is irrelevant. This was an insulting and demeaning verbal assault by these kids. Kids at times engage in disgusting pack behavior, but insulting someone with words is just not one of the more severe forms of misbehavior.

Get as emotional as you care to, but a years suspension and reform school is far too severe for what these kids did. It is an overreaction to the youtube sensation and cowardly playing to the mob on the part of the school officials.


67 posted on 06/30/2012 11:29:27 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Uncle Slayton

You have very strange logic and a very strange attitude towards the weakest among us.


68 posted on 06/30/2012 11:29:54 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Norm Lenhart

If what you say were true, every school bus and every 7th grade classroom and every home with 7th grade kids would be a chaotic as that bus, but that is not the case.

The only difference is that the bus had a bus monitor that was not ready for duty.


69 posted on 06/30/2012 11:30:20 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Kaslin
Perhaps another alternative would have been to ban them permantely from riding school busses. Then it would be up to the parents to get them to school for a few years.

Would that be a wake up call to other parents about the conduct of their kids?

70 posted on 06/30/2012 11:31:10 AM PDT by QT3.14 (Electile Dysfunction...inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president)
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To: Will88

This likely wasn’t just a wild hair. I’d have crafted it differently perhaps, but the reform school is there for a purpose including keeping the brats under a microscope.


71 posted on 06/30/2012 11:31:19 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: miss marmelstein

“You have very strange logic and a very strange attitude towards the weakest among us.”

If she is in fact weak, she had no business being a bus monitor.


72 posted on 06/30/2012 11:32:37 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Will88

I grew up at a time in America where “pack behavior” was physically punished by tough-as-nails nuns and the no-nonsense, working-class parents of my childhood. The boys of my day wouldn’t even have understood the filth coming out of these brats’ mouths. And that was the 1960s!

You mistake passion for emotion.


73 posted on 06/30/2012 11:34:48 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Uncle Slayton

The obvious answer is that this particular bullying was a local phenomenon, but so what? She was hired to be a figurehead: that is the overwhelming witness of how schools disempower their adults today, or else give them nothing but Weapons of Zero Tolerance meaning the kid gets bounced out for having a breath mint. (A foul mouth is usually overlooked, however.)

You’re probably envious of her for having gotten the sympathy she did, and are certainly being an ass.


74 posted on 06/30/2012 11:34:55 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Uncle Slayton

You obviously have never seen a bus in the last dozen years. It is the case to greater and lesser degrees. Do a search. This one got big press. Most don’t. Then if you are still in willful denial, go talk to teachers etc who quit because of the amimals they were not allowed to control.

But of course you’ll condemn them too and not the system that favors the animal. Pretty liberal thing to do I guess, but we are who we are.


75 posted on 06/30/2012 11:35:17 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Uncle Slayton

Bus Monitor Job Description

Bus monitors are responsible for assisting children with getting on and off of the bus safely. They must also make sure that children are in their assigned seats, if applicable. They must make sure that children get off of the bus at the correct stops and that they are being released to the proper guardians.

Duties

The duties of a bus monitor include making sure that children remain safely seated while the bus is in motion, maintaining order on the bus, understanding and following written and oral instructions, following basic principles of early childhood development and establishing good relationships with the children, the bus driver, the parents and other staff. They must also make sure that there aren’t any children left behind after the bus route is completed and pick up any trash left behind on the buses.

Skills

The skills required to become a bus monitor consist of active listening skills, instructing skills, speaking skills, and oral expression skills. Bus monitors should be able to give full attention to what children, parents or other staff are saying. They should be able to teach children how to do things, like put their seat belts on or sit back and follow procedures. Speaking skills come into play when communicating with children, the bus driver, parents or other staff. Bus monitors have to be able to convey information effectively. Bus monitors should also be able to communicate information that others understand which will be easier with oral expression skills. Bus monitors should also possess social perceptiveness, problem sensitivity, speech clarity and inductive reasoning skills. They need to be able to speak clearly, tell when something is wrong, be aware of others’ reactions and understand why they react the way that they do. Being able to combine pieces of information to form general rules or conclusions is of utmost important when caring for children.

Knowledge

Bus monitors should have knowledge of the English language, public safety and security policies and procedures, psychology, and personal service. Assessing the needs of children and others around them is important for a bus monitor. Having knowledge of human behavior and performance is imperative in dealing with children and their parents, as well as other staff. Being able to safely and securely carry out safety procedures when it comes to children is the most important thing to consider as a bus monitor. They should have knowledge of relevant equipment, policies, procedures and strategies.

Working Conditions

Bus monitors have hours and a work schedule that are determined on an annual basis. They may have to deal with loud and unruly children and harsh weather conditions when helping children on and off the bus. Bus monitors usually work part-time and sometimes on a seasonal basis, as they only work when school is in session. They usually are off on the holidays.

Salary

As of 2010, the U.S. national average annual salary of a school bus monitor is $26,699, according to CBSalary.com.

http://www.ehow.com/about_6674120_bus-monitor-job-description.html


76 posted on 06/30/2012 11:35:30 AM PDT by donna (Mitt quote: ...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way...)
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To: Uncle Slayton

You are getting into inapplicable hypothetical territory here.

She could have had Incredible Hulk powers and would have gotten in deep dutch for using them.


77 posted on 06/30/2012 11:36:31 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Uncle Slayton

Hopefully, you’ll be given the opportunity to do what you think she failed to do.

I think you might be shocked what modern middle schoolers are like. God help them, and God help anyone who tries to discipline them.

Middle school buses are notorious hotbeds for drugs, sex & bullying.


78 posted on 06/30/2012 11:37:42 AM PDT by b9
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To: Uncle Slayton

LOL you would last 2 minutes.


79 posted on 06/30/2012 11:37:48 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

None of us have her rule of employment.

But, we all know that we must be capable of doing our jobs, but this woman could not handle her job.

However, if you want to give a half million dollars to all people who miserably fail at their jobs, be my guest, but I doubt that will help the productivity of our nation.


80 posted on 06/30/2012 11:38:08 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Sacajaweau

May she buy a 1 million volt stun gun and the next time one of those little F’ers mouths off to her she gives him a shot that will cross his eyes permanently and simultaneously vacate his bowels.


81 posted on 06/30/2012 11:38:18 AM PDT by Harley
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To: lodi90

Emotionally disturberbed under FAPE legislation is a huge umbrella rangeing from severe psychosis to something as minor as facial tics. There lays the problem, under FAPE they do qualify. Unfortunately school districts only ship out the worst case scenerios due to space constraints. The program in my area has a waiting list. So these kids will be put with the most severe. My favorite pediatrician told me that kids like these, loud mouth brats, usually come out with worse behaviors. I have ton of anedoctal evidence to support this position. Sorry I see this a government overreach to the max. The parents did have some leverage but chose not to use it. Lousy parents.


82 posted on 06/30/2012 11:39:30 AM PDT by BLOC77 (i was pro-life before pro-life was cool)
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To: Uncle Slayton

Go google about the logical fallacy of the begged question.

In this case the question you’re begging is what “her job” IS. Not what you’d like it to be, but what her employers put her up to do.


83 posted on 06/30/2012 11:40:03 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Actually we don’t know if they are criminals. They may not have been arrested ...yet. But, their behavior was pretty demented. Perhaps we are saving some from being another victim of something worse. Their brazen behavior needs to be ‘scared straight’.


84 posted on 06/30/2012 11:45:10 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: donna
The problem is godlessness.

Best and most succinct summary I've seen in a long time on FR.
85 posted on 06/30/2012 11:45:47 AM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: Harley

In a saner world she could tase the bastards.

Alas, trying this today would doubtless get her into a litany of woes from community to government to the school administration.


86 posted on 06/30/2012 11:46:04 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: donna

Interesting. Behind all the gobbledegook, the job description basically reads that a bus monitor is to look after the physical welfare of the children. In other words, make sure they don’t fall off the seats if the bus jolts or leave them behind at a stop. Nothing about stopping a situation akin to Lord of the Flies.


87 posted on 06/30/2012 11:46:23 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Ann Archy

They are just public schools that have guards to protect the teachers and they take attendance....there isn’t any reform here.


88 posted on 06/30/2012 11:47:57 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: HollyB

The Scared Straight thing was pretty effective intil libs stopped that too. Another reason for the behavior we see now.

Amazing...Here on FR there are a bunch of people literally blaming the victim of these animals and defending them. While having a tantrum that some of us would see them punished for their actions with more than a sternly worded letter. I must have died and gone to Democratic Underground...


89 posted on 06/30/2012 11:49:36 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: donna

“As of 2010, the U.S. national average annual salary of a school bus monitor is $26,699, according to CBSalary.com.”

That’s a sweet gig!

$26,699 to be a school bus monitor?

Let’s see, school is in session 180 days per year and the bus monitor may work one hour in the morning on the way to school and one hours in the afternoon on the way home.

That comes out to $74.16 an hour!

What a country, you work a total of 360 hours per year at $74.16 an hour plus benefits and extended vacation and all you have to do keep order and make sure brats get on and off the bus at the right stop?

And when you screw-up, people will send you a half million dollars!


90 posted on 06/30/2012 11:49:51 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: miss marmelstein

Arguably that ought to extend to physically restraining them from doing insane things, if possible... but what’s she going to do, clap her hand over ten foul mouths simultaneously?

Our crotchety old uncle does not appreciate the situation at all. Without support what in blue blazes is she supposed to do. He’s talking about what bus monitor might have looked like forty, fifty years ago.

I haven’t given her any additional funds because, in part, it seems she’s doing well enough now. But if I met her I’d tell her I was so sorry to see what happened and disgusted at the confluence of events that made it possible. NONE of which were HER “lack of guts.” She had no latitude to use any such “guts.”


91 posted on 06/30/2012 11:51:27 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Kaslin; mickie; flaglady47; Chigirl 26; seekthetruth
IIRC, Obama's late adopted son, Trayvon, got a comparably negligible slap-on-the-wrist suspension from his school for alleged possession of Mary Jean, unexplained possession of womens' jewelry, reportedly punching out a school bus driver, and whatever else......but it appears a "slap" didn't work too well for him....so maybe he should have received what these little NY darling angels received.....i.e., a serious penalty.

Leni

92 posted on 06/30/2012 11:51:27 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Chief Justice Judas- 30 pieces of silver of my tax money for your betrayal?)
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To: Uncle Slayton

You are an envious question begger. End of story. NEXT!


93 posted on 06/30/2012 11:52:37 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

According to CBSalary.com she was making almost $75.00 an hour and still could not handle to job.


94 posted on 06/30/2012 11:53:08 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Kaslin

Indiegogo is an international crowd funding site founded by Danae Ringelmann, Slava Rubin, and Eric Schell in 2008. Its headquarters are in San Francisco, California. As of 2012, it has hosted over 100,000 funding campaigns in areas such as music, charity, small business and film. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiegogo)

How do we know how much of that money this woman will be able to keep? Some how, Indiegogo has to make money. Will she be taxed on that kind of donation? A 670k pop of her AGI will put her in the top 0.5% — half that money will be soaked up in various income taxes.


95 posted on 06/30/2012 11:54:35 AM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: sefarkas; donna
The problem is, indeed, godlessness.

May god save our nation! We send children into godless schools and threaten taxpayers with armed police and court action if they refuse to pay for it. We murder pre-born babies by the millions and allow it to continue year after year. If conservatives ***really** really **really cared they could shut down the abortion mills and the godless government schools tomorrow. God is likely not too happy with us.

If children attend godless, compulsory, socialist-entitlement, and single-payer government owned and run schools the following happens:

—They **WILL** learn to think and reason godlessly. They must just to cooperate in the classroom. How could it be otherwise?

—They risk learning to be comfortable with socialism and government compulsion. Why not? Hey! Any voting mob powerful enough to give the child tuition-free schooling, and *force* them to use it, is powerful enough to give them **lots** of free stuff and compel them to use it.!

May god save our nation! We send children into godless schools and threaten taxpayers with armed police and court action if they refuse to pay for it. We murder pre-born babies by the millions and allow it to continue year after year.

96 posted on 06/30/2012 11:56:45 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Uncle Slayton

Google for “petitio principi” and get back to us please.


97 posted on 06/30/2012 11:58:28 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Uncle Slayton

And you are making a complete fool of yourself for no income at all. Looks like she’s the smart one.

What other victims of aggression do you blame? Raped women? Gassed Jews? Mugged senior citizens? George Zimmerman?

Just curious...


98 posted on 06/30/2012 12:00:03 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

yupperoonio, norm. the crotchety bachelor brother thinks that by wearing us out with his broken record, suddenly we will accept the begged question as though it were an untouchable postulate. i don’t think so!!


99 posted on 06/30/2012 12:01:51 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

The Bus Monitor Job description states:

“The duties of a bus monitor include making sure that children remain safely seated while the bus is in motion, maintaining order on the bus...”

The lady failed to maintain order and was being paid $75.00 per hour of tax payer money.


100 posted on 06/30/2012 12:03:57 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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