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Kids who bullied bus monitor suspended for a year, assigned to reform school
Hot Air.com ^ | June 29, 2012 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 06/30/2012 10:06:19 AM PDT by Kaslin

You need closure.

Following individual meetings this week with school and district administrators, each family waived their right to a hearing and agreed to one-year suspensions from school and regular bus transportation. The Greece Central School District is legally required to provide all students ages 5 to 16 with an education, therefore, during the 2012-13 school year, the students who have been suspended will be transferred to the district Reengagement Center, located in a non-school facility. This alternative education program keeps middle school students on track academically while providing a structured opportunity for students to take responsibility for their actions by completing community service hours and receiving formal instruction related to conduct and behavior that prepares them for a productive future. The program includes a strong parent involvement component.

Each student will be required to complete 50 hours of community service with senior citizens and will complete a formal program in bullying prevention, respect and responsibility. In accordance with district policy, if at 30 weeks into the school year the students have completed the conditions of their discipline and are in good standing at the Reengagement Center, they can apply for early readmission to Athena Middle School.

Too much, too little, or just enough? A year’s a stiff sentence for 10 or so minutes of verbal harassment, as nasty as it was, but the school district’s under immense pressure to be strict with the little cretins. And this incident’s playing out, of course, amid growing awareness culturally of how bad the effects of bullying can be. Crack down on this bunch and you send a national message given the spotlight on this case.

Because I know you’re wondering, the donations for Klein now stand north of $668,000. Per the Times, more than 30,000 people have contributed from all 50 states and 82 countries. Two days ago, she finally met the man who came up with the idea. Here’s the vid from WGRZ.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: New York
KEYWORDS: athena; bullying; busmonitor; education; klein; livewoodchipper; monitor; newyork; overkill; punishment; schoolbus; schoolbusbullies; schooldistrict; suspension
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To: miss marmelstein

Only thing, I’d say maybe it should be a team of one Hells Angel and one normal citizen, just to be sure that drug dealing doesn’t begin....


151 posted on 06/30/2012 1:14:58 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

Why? You think the HA would try to BUY some? ;)


152 posted on 06/30/2012 1:16:30 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

LOL!


153 posted on 06/30/2012 1:18:42 PM PDT by b9
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To: Norm Lenhart

Today you never know.

If it had been me, I would have offered the HA some catalpa pods.


154 posted on 06/30/2012 1:18:54 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Kaslin.


155 posted on 06/30/2012 1:21:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (King of the East=Iran, King of the South=Egypt, King of the North=Turkey...)
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To: mvpel
I believe the giver may pay any applicable gift taxes and as you said, it's doubtful whether any one gift exceeded the limit.

However, the I.R.S. says you have to pay income taxes, whatever the source of your income. If you successfully rob a bank, the I.R.S. expects demands you declare the proceeds as income.

156 posted on 06/30/2012 1:23:32 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Come quickly Lord Jesus.)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

Good one, Six-Successive-Pairs-of-Double-Letters, You!

Had to Google “catalpa pods”. “;^)


157 posted on 06/30/2012 1:24:57 PM PDT by b9
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To: Norm Lenhart

She just needed to do her job. She had the power to assign seats on the bus, she had the ability to speak and to correct the kids for their behavior, she had the power to write a disciplinary notice to the parents or the school administrators. Instead, she just sat there and did nothing and the school bus devolved to chaos.


158 posted on 06/30/2012 1:26:20 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: b9

Yeah, I knew them as “Indian Cigars.” Never attempted to smoke one, or anything else for that matter, not that my folks would have been uptight about it (Mom smoked, unfortunately smoking herself to death) but I never cared for the idea. But we had a catalpa tree in our back yard. I think if a brown one was actually lit, it would burn rapidly.


159 posted on 06/30/2012 1:27:58 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Uncle Slayton

Produce records of the conditions of that position and maybe people will listen to you. Right now you are pulling all of that out your hind end with nothing more than vaporous farty supposition. You’re assuming common sense by the pubskewl, but the Ewe Essay has long abandoned it in that sphere and the evidence abounds. The vastly more probable case is that the attempts to do that would also get mocked at with no consequences to the brats. The incompetence can’t possibly be with her employers could it, if you hate incompetence so?


160 posted on 06/30/2012 1:31:41 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Sacajaweau
"what they did was terrible, they are not criminals."

Neither are kids that are cruel to animals.....but guess what they grow up to be?

These little cretins will hopefully think twice about what they do and say, from now on! If not - they may end up in prison some day.

161 posted on 06/30/2012 1:34:33 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: Uncle Slayton

I gave you a ‘right’ but you choose to stick with haZZing a wrong.

You act just like a liberal. In the face of the fact she had d no legal authorized way to enforce any semblance of order, you demand she exercise power she does not possess.

Until you show definitively that this and any person like her has a legally doable way to ‘maintain order’ and what EXACTLY/VERBATIM that may be, then sit silently and try not to make such an ass of yourself.


162 posted on 06/30/2012 1:36:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

Neither of us have records that would document her exact work conditions.

So you too may be “pulling all of that out your hind end with nothing more than vaporous farty supposition.”

BTW-I have not defended the kids involved nor the school administrators, except to say that they kids were delinquent brats and the school administrators delinquent for having someone so incompetent as a school bus monitor.


163 posted on 06/30/2012 1:38:02 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Graybeard58

It’s not clear to me that a taxed gift (which has a large annual exemption) is brought also into wage/earned income to be doubly taxed. Though in the Roberts regime where all taxes are fair, who knows?


164 posted on 06/30/2012 1:38:46 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

Ha! Silly me, I thought you meant catalpa pods for their medicinal effect on snake bites!
http://www.articlesbase.com/gardening-articles/all-you-need-to-know-about-catalpa-trees-701533.html

Sorry about your mom. I lost mine to a smoking related illness, too. By the time she quit, it was too late.
I don’t smoke, either - never have. Hate the smell. “;^(


165 posted on 06/30/2012 1:39:11 PM PDT by b9
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To: Will88

....I’m glad you aren’t raising my grandkids. Your obvious liberal attitude is prevalent in parents today - and as a result, we have unaccountable children, who grow up to be psychos.


166 posted on 06/30/2012 1:39:33 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: Uncle Slayton

Other than the hypothetical Hells Angel, who wouldn’t be “incompetent” in a school position that is set up as the vast majority in this Ewe Essay clearly are? The vast weight of probability is that you are pulling out the farty supposition. I am stating obvious likelihoods.


167 posted on 06/30/2012 1:40:52 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“Until you show definitively that this and any person like her has a legally doable way to ‘maintain order’ and what EXACTLY/VERBATIM that may be..”

For some reason, I doubt that you have any official policy documentation from that school or school district as to how the bus monitor is to maintain order.


168 posted on 06/30/2012 1:45:21 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

I know that prizes you win on game shows are taxed as income and that is neither wages or earned income. There’s no way she’s going to come out of this without paying taxes. There may be some way she can defer some of it to later years though and avoid one single huge whack.


169 posted on 06/30/2012 1:47:36 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Come quickly Lord Jesus.)
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To: Uncle Slayton

What is your reference point to paint the ubiquitous “Brats are running our schools” stories as being minority situations? Especially when such stories are only reluctantly broached to the public by our liberal utopian MSM?

You’re out of touch with reality, Uncle. Even if insisting on viewing the entire situation through the monoscopic lens of “incompetence” the lady herself is scarcely the root of the failure. And I seriously doubt that screaming liberal parents would long tolerate the Hells Angels monitors (oh, my kid is having nightmares about bikers now).


170 posted on 06/30/2012 1:51:33 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

Believe it or not, there are hundreds of thousands of school busses that roll through out nation each and every school day without Hell’s Angels acting as a bus monitor.

Instead, school districts employ people who are able wake up in the morning and each day successfully fulfill their duties, regardless of constraints placed on them by administrators.


171 posted on 06/30/2012 1:51:52 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Uncle Slayton

Those places are where parents all care. The buses do not even NEED monitors then; the kids behave tolerably.

However the situation that floods the country is those where the parents do not care. Evil needs no special invitation. What tells you this situation is rare? Maybe for it to hit the public eye is rare. But go into any slum or most big cities and they’ll tell you. It’s a jungle.


172 posted on 06/30/2012 1:56:35 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Uncle Slayton

For some reason you won’t address my post. What I have ir do not is not the issue. What you do not, is.


173 posted on 06/30/2012 1:57:49 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Let the bustard mutter to itself alone, or others take up the cudgel. Uncle can’t steal your time.


174 posted on 06/30/2012 2:01:59 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“What I have ir do not is not the issue.”

OK.


175 posted on 06/30/2012 2:02:47 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Uncle Slayton

That’s pretty feeble, you troll, to jump on a typo.

Nobody’s reported on what else the woman attempted to keep order prior to this (she’s not obviously new).

My generation of kids would have respected a grandma on the bus. They would have been paddled otherwise, and most came from homes where honoring the elderly was done routinely anyhow. Not an option today.


176 posted on 06/30/2012 2:06:01 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

I like helping foolish people dig their holes deeper. Right about now, this one is about to China.

But you are right. There’s little point saying much else. He has 3 pages of posts repeating himself incorrectly in the face of evidence to the contrary. If people can’t see him for what he is by now, then we’ve done all we can do.


177 posted on 06/30/2012 2:07:28 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

“My generation of kids would have respected a grandma on the bus. They would have been paddled otherwise, and most came from homes where honoring the elderly was done routinely anyhow. Not an option today.”

I am not necessarily in disagreement with you, but I do have children and grandchildren in our public school and almost all the kids in the school are well mannered and the teachers and staff are competent.


178 posted on 06/30/2012 2:22:07 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Kaslin

Hope there is follow up on these kids. My guess is that they’ll be radical political or union operatives down the road.

Stay tuned.


179 posted on 06/30/2012 2:33:29 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Kaslin

Obviously this is not Miami....in Miami, Trayvon Martin slugs a bus driver and nothing is done, later becomes a national hero after being capped in another violent doing


180 posted on 06/30/2012 2:50:16 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Sad....George Zimmerman is in jail for rightfully defending himself...while Eric Holder walks free)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“”He has 3 pages of posts repeating himself incorrectly in the face of evidence to the contrary””

I would be willing to bet he was a bully himself, if not still. I couldn’t help but notice that nowhere in all that effort did he ever once say just how Karen SHOULD have done her job. The fact that no school district would ever have allowed her to do what needed to be done is irrelevant to him. Maybe he’s a politician! One thing for sure, he’s a liberal. What on earth difference does it make to him that people wanted to help her out? Thank the good Lord such people still exist in our country and others!


181 posted on 06/30/2012 3:10:10 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush
Thank the good Lord such people still exist in our country and others!

Amen.

182 posted on 06/30/2012 3:14:11 PM PDT by b9
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To: Thank You Rush

“I couldn’t help but notice that nowhere in all that effort did he ever once say just how Karen SHOULD have done her job.”

I would not have advocated that she slap one of the kids, but perhaps she could have rearranged the seating or sent some kind of notice to the parents or school administrators.

I’m sure that one of the hundreds of thousands of other school bus monitors in the country could have provided her with a clue and they seem to fulfill their tasks each day without drawing international attention.


183 posted on 06/30/2012 3:19:12 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Thank You Rush

People like him think stupidity is it’s own reward and wake up daily with a desire to reward themselves. And then they do! ;)

If I had a dollar for every idiot like him I’ve argued with here, (and most use his type of ‘logic’) I could fund my own presidential campaign.


184 posted on 06/30/2012 3:20:59 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Graybeard58
the donations for Klein now stand north of $668,000

She can retire twice with that kind of money. She no longer has to work (not enough SS dollars?) as school bus monitor for those little hell raisers

185 posted on 06/30/2012 3:23:22 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Uncle Slayton

And in your tiny slice of pubskewled Ewe Essay you doubtless have parents that care. Not super-liberal ornamental-kids parents, or absentee mothers and deadbeat fathers all over the place.

Not smart to generalize from that. I firmly and confidently say the woman got assigned an impossible task due to the local constraints and conditions. It has every appearance thereof. Sanely raised children would, if anything, respect elders MORE, not LESS.


186 posted on 06/30/2012 4:07:21 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: yorkie

Don’t worry, I’ve been to these programs, that’s pretty much where they’re going. They won’t come out productive members of society. They are being placed with violent teens, whether through drug or pychosis. All for mouthing off. I’m not aware that they killed or abused animals in the past, if so, completely different story.


187 posted on 06/30/2012 4:20:54 PM PDT by BLOC77 (i was pro-life before pro-life was cool)
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To: Uncle Slayton

“”perhaps she could have rearranged the seating or sent some kind of notice to the parents or school administrators.””

Rearranged the seating? And they would have said, “Yes, maam.” “Thank you, maam.” “That’s a good idea, maam.” “Right away, maam.”

OR perhaps a STRONGLY WORDED LETTER to parents or school administrators such as our government officials write to weasley world leaders would have done the job??

I don’t think either of your ideas would have produced any solution to the problem those out of control brats were causing. They couldn’t have just sat in their seats and behaved themselves?


188 posted on 06/30/2012 5:09:12 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Kaslin

The idea that this was 10 or so minutes of harassment doesn’t fly with me.

I think these kids have been out of bounds for many months, perhaps years.

This time, they made the mistake of putting their little ‘party’ up on the internet & they got caught red-handed.

I am beyond delighted that Mrs klein now has contributions in excess of $660,000 and more still coming in.

She can retire & never have to face such snotty kids ever again.

It is beyond time when these little protected ‘darlings’ are put back into their places.

Now, perhaps those hoodlums who do the mob robberies in small stores can get caught & see some serious consequences.


189 posted on 06/30/2012 6:21:19 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Kaslin

Well...it’s a good start...


190 posted on 06/30/2012 6:22:59 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Will88

This punishment is definitely too severe. Two or three weeks suspension and 40 hours of community service would have been more than sufficient. How many cases of equally bad or worse behavior could we find where almost no punishment was given?”””

I disagree.

Perhaps this will make some kids & their PARENTS think twice about letting their little darlings behave so badly.


191 posted on 06/30/2012 6:23:34 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: yorkie
...I’m glad you aren’t raising my grandkids.

Lol, so what's your punishment for failing to take out the trash? Grounded for three months?

192 posted on 06/30/2012 6:25:31 PM PDT by Will88
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To: dennisw; Will88
Just another example of cowardly officials who are incapable ofT exercising good judgment, and who overreact to any public pressure. Exactly. They ignored the school bus abuse and now they over react in a cruel and stupid way. 3 months is enough for a child to get the message and for his parents to have to make time to drive him/her to school

Are you both serious??? Those kids casually talked about her raping them and them stabbing her as easily as we talk about the weather. To an adult. To an elderly adult. They had no shame or guilt about it. They were PROUD of what they did and posted it on the internet to show off their bullying. Those kids, left on their own, were well on their way to be sociopaths and criminals.

The punishment is basically to go to a different school that is more strict and involves the parents more. They might not like it but there is no way it's overreacting.

193 posted on 06/30/2012 6:28:30 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Uncle Slayton

Since not one single person in the school system is allowed to touch a mis-behaving kid, tell us, please just EXACTLY what you would have done if you had been the bus monitor?

The driver’s get in trouble if they stop & make the kids sit down until he starts up again.

Do YOU wish to hire these punks when they are out of high school?

Do YOU wish to work with them in the future?

GOOD LUCK.

The kids have been given a free pass with no discipline, IMO.

I rode a bus back & forth to school when I was a kid. We NEVER would have been able to behave like this. We would have still been serving detention-—& I graduated HS over 50 years ago!


194 posted on 06/30/2012 6:32:31 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Uncle Slayton

Amen.


195 posted on 06/30/2012 6:49:37 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Kaslin

Look up what constitutes the definition of emotional elder abuse in the state of NY and I think what they did to her fits.


196 posted on 06/30/2012 6:55:55 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: donna

You hit the nail on the head.Thank you.


197 posted on 06/30/2012 7:03:41 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: DouglasKC
Those kids, left on their own, were well on their way to be sociopaths and criminals.

And how do you know that? Do you have several years of history about how each of these kids have behaved in school and on the bus, and toward authority figures in general?

If these kids had a history of disruptive and disrespectful behavior toward authority figures or other students associated with the school system, them this punishment might have been justified. But I've seen no mention of any pattern of bad behavior.

For this one incident, no matter how emotional some are over the video and other circumstances, the school officials still used bad judgment and the punishment is too severe.

I said two or three weeks suspension and 40 hours of community service. That's pretty severe punishment for one incident of verbal abuse.

And since all the kids received the same punishment, it seems likely it was for only this one incident.

198 posted on 06/30/2012 7:07:45 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88
And how do you know that? Do you have several years of history about how each of these kids have behaved in school and on the bus, and toward authority figures in general?

Nope. But I do have video evidence of kids talking about an elderly person raping them. I do have evidence of a child graphically describing what it would be like to stab this elderly person in the stomach. I do have video evidence of these kids treating an elderly person like a dog...no I take that back...worse then I've ever seen any dog treated.

I don't need any more evidence. These kids were well acquainted with this behavior. They clearly had lots of practice.

said two or three weeks suspension and 40 hours of community service. That's pretty severe punishment for one incident of verbal abuse.

Number one they were NOT suspended from school. The article clearly says that the law requires they have an education. They are going to a different school with perhaps, perhaps, more accountability. And if they really want to go back to their old school they reapply after 30 weeks. They have to do 50 hours of community service with senior citizens. That's not too severe. It's NOT severe enough.

What you propose is a three week vacation from school. Wow. I'll bet that will teach them. And forty hours of community service instead of 50. Yeah, that extra 10 hours of serving old people will just kill them.

199 posted on 06/30/2012 7:49:25 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
I don't need any more evidence.

And yes you do, or at least a clearheaded, rational person would need more evidence.

One incident of bad behavior by a group of kids does not make them kids who must be put in a special school. If these kids have been general troublemakers and have other serious incidents of bad behavior, then the punishment probably fits. But if this is the only incident, the punishment is definitely too severe.

And a suspension from school is not a vacation for any kid who plans to make passing grades and eventually graduate from high school. They have to stay caught up with their class. And, do you know what sort of students these kids are? Do you know anything about them other than this one incident? Oh, yeah, that's all you need to know about a group of middle school kids.

200 posted on 06/30/2012 8:09:00 PM PDT by Will88
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