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Kids who bullied bus monitor suspended for a year, assigned to reform school
Hot Air.com ^ | June 29, 2012 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 06/30/2012 10:06:19 AM PDT by Kaslin

You need closure.

Following individual meetings this week with school and district administrators, each family waived their right to a hearing and agreed to one-year suspensions from school and regular bus transportation. The Greece Central School District is legally required to provide all students ages 5 to 16 with an education, therefore, during the 2012-13 school year, the students who have been suspended will be transferred to the district Reengagement Center, located in a non-school facility. This alternative education program keeps middle school students on track academically while providing a structured opportunity for students to take responsibility for their actions by completing community service hours and receiving formal instruction related to conduct and behavior that prepares them for a productive future. The program includes a strong parent involvement component.

Each student will be required to complete 50 hours of community service with senior citizens and will complete a formal program in bullying prevention, respect and responsibility. In accordance with district policy, if at 30 weeks into the school year the students have completed the conditions of their discipline and are in good standing at the Reengagement Center, they can apply for early readmission to Athena Middle School.

Too much, too little, or just enough? A year’s a stiff sentence for 10 or so minutes of verbal harassment, as nasty as it was, but the school district’s under immense pressure to be strict with the little cretins. And this incident’s playing out, of course, amid growing awareness culturally of how bad the effects of bullying can be. Crack down on this bunch and you send a national message given the spotlight on this case.

Because I know you’re wondering, the donations for Klein now stand north of $668,000. Per the Times, more than 30,000 people have contributed from all 50 states and 82 countries. Two days ago, she finally met the man who came up with the idea. Here’s the vid from WGRZ.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: New York
KEYWORDS: athena; bullying; busmonitor; education; klein; livewoodchipper; monitor; newyork; overkill; punishment; schoolbus; schoolbusbullies; schooldistrict; suspension
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1 posted on 06/30/2012 10:06:24 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I had NO ide that REFORM schools still existed!! BRAVO!! MORE kids should be in REFORM SCHOOL!!!


2 posted on 06/30/2012 10:08:24 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kaslin

I had NO ide that REFORM schools still existed!! BRAVO!! MORE kids should be in REFORM SCHOOL!!!


3 posted on 06/30/2012 10:08:38 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kaslin

Must have been white kids.


4 posted on 06/30/2012 10:10:10 AM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Kaslin

668k? Wooly Bully!

She should contribute money to the reform school the boys are going to, in particular, to hire R. Lee Ermey as their “teacher.”


5 posted on 06/30/2012 10:11:05 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Kaslin
This alternative education program keeps middle school students on track academically while providing a structured opportunity for students to take responsibility for their actions by completing community service hours and receiving formal instruction related to conduct and behavior that prepares them for a productive future. The program includes a strong parent involvement component.

That sounds like the way the regular schools should work.

6 posted on 06/30/2012 10:12:01 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Kaslin

Justice done. Long overdue in the thousands of similar incidents nationwide. My heart still bleeds for the several children who have committed suicide as a result of bullying.

Thank God this woman has received tangible comfort from her fellow man. But school districts need to stop this from happening to the many, many others who are mistreated every day by bullies.

And, most certainly, not all of those bullied are gay, as their apologists would like everyone to think. I wager that the vast majority of victims are not.


7 posted on 06/30/2012 10:13:35 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: dljordan
Must have been white kids.

You got that right. What you have is typical liberal overkill. You suspend the little hellions from the school bus for 3-6 months at the most. The old women they gave a very hard time to.....She had 450+ thousand dollars sent to her to salve her wounds. She can retire

8 posted on 06/30/2012 10:17:41 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Kaslin

“30,000 people have contributed from all 50 states”

What about the other 7 States? They must have been Blue States.


9 posted on 06/30/2012 10:20:31 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Ann Archy

I agree


10 posted on 06/30/2012 10:25:55 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

“This alternative education program keeps middle school students on track academically while providing a structured opportunity for students to take responsibility for their actions by completing community service hours and receiving formal instruction related to conduct and behavior that prepares them for a productive future. The program includes a strong parent involvement component.

That sounds like the way the regular schools should work.”

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Thats the way they used to work.


11 posted on 06/30/2012 10:28:11 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Albion Wilde

A lot, though certainly not all ‘bullying’ would end with a reversion to the old ways. AKA not getting a more severe punishment for self defense than the person doing the assaulting gets.

A bully today KNOWS his actions will be bolstered by the ‘system’ because if the ‘bullied’ fights back, it is he/she who will pay a price. The bully does not care about such costs to begin with.

It’s no different than the lib argument for gun control that punishes the CC holder when he exercises his rights and gets prison time, while the attacker gets to sue him.. It’s only a matter of scale separating the two situations.

Basically the entire system needs a rework top to bottom ... not likely but still the truth.


12 posted on 06/30/2012 10:28:11 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Kaslin

The discipline is correct but where are the personally written full page apologies?


13 posted on 06/30/2012 10:29:05 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Kaslin

This punishment is definitely too severe. Two or three weeks suspension and 40 hours of community service would have been more than sufficient. How many cases of equally bad or worse behavior could we find where almost no punishment was given?

Just another example of cowardly officials who are incapable of exercising good judgment, and who overreact to any public pressure.


14 posted on 06/30/2012 10:31:13 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

You said it.


15 posted on 06/30/2012 10:31:25 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Ann Archy

“”I had NO idea that REFORM schools still existed!! BRAVO!! MORE kids should be in REFORM SCHOOL!!!””

Nor did I. Sounds as tho’ it would work better than the alternative schools CA had or maybe still has. Those kids just went to a different school than “normal” ones. With the punishment of these kids, they will learn some tough lessons. For their community service, they will actually have to look senior citizens in the eye and picture someone treating their elderly grandparents as they treated Karen.

I think the guy from Toronto wanted to reach out and slap that bimbo reporter - that was such a dumb question.
“What would you say to THOSE who say???””” NO - there aren’t those who say - IT’S only YOU!!

It must be the first thing they learn in journalism classes if they ever attended one!


16 posted on 06/30/2012 10:32:39 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Albion Wilde

Justice was indeed done, but things like this happen because kids are not taught to respect elders. Parents and teachers should work together instead of fighting each other


17 posted on 06/30/2012 10:34:37 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Brilliant
“30,000 people have contributed from all 50 states”

and 82 countries

18 posted on 06/30/2012 10:36:55 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Ann Archy

They don’t.

Now, they’re Reengagement Centers.


19 posted on 06/30/2012 10:37:37 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Will88
Just another example of cowardly officials who are incapable of exercising good judgment, and who overreact to any public pressure.

Exactly. They ignored the school bus abuse and now they over react in a cruel and stupid way. 3 months is enough for a child to get the message and for his parents to have to make time to drive him/her to school

20 posted on 06/30/2012 10:38:07 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Thank You Rush

Not in J school but every editor/reporter I ever worked with phrased their personal questions in that manner.

Same with the “Some Believe” and all similar phrases. It’s standard procedure. It’s biased, leading and wrong, but it’s totally common across the media. Now if “Some say” is followed by hard examples as in ...

“Some say the sky is blue. We asked Prof. Joe Jones, who showed that...”

That’s another thing. But “Some say” without attribution is ALWAYS an agenda driven question.


21 posted on 06/30/2012 10:40:18 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Will88

The kids are being punished far too harshly and it is being ignored that the Bus Monitor was incapable of doing her job and had no business working on that bus.


22 posted on 06/30/2012 10:42:56 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Will88

Quite right.

They are being punished not for their actions but for the publicity it gathered.

Not that the little punks don’t deserve it.


23 posted on 06/30/2012 10:44:34 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Norm Lenhart

So refuse to answer a question that starts with, “Some say...”.


24 posted on 06/30/2012 10:46:37 AM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: Will88

“”Just another example of cowardly officials who are incapable of exercising good judgment, and who overreact to any public pressure.””

Afraid you’re not living in the real world. We’ve seen decades of bad decisions being made on the part of school officials and you complain when ONE finally makes sense!

Do you even know what is being tolerated IN the classrooms without any form of discipline or even firing of teachers? Does the teacher in NC get to return to her job after berating the student for criticizing obozo? Yes - she does.

I don’t know anyone who would have been surprised if Karen had been the one who faced disciplinary measures because that’s the way this world works today! Thank goodness, there was some common sense applied to this episode!

You say no punishment has been given for “equally bad or worse behavior” - is that a reason to continue to allow this behavior to be acceptable? How many cases of out of control kids/adults do we have to see before everyone says ENOUGH is ENOUGH??


25 posted on 06/30/2012 10:47:01 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: dennisw; Uncle Slayton
They ignored the school bus abuse and now they over react in a cruel and stupid way.

And because the incident became a youtube sensation, the kids had no chance of receiving punishment commensurate with their behavior. Those cowardly officials had to appease the loudest of those in the mob.

And in other categories of bad behavior, or other categories of perpetrators, the same sort of cowardly officials would give far too lenient a punishment.

26 posted on 06/30/2012 10:50:55 AM PDT by Will88
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To: FrogMom

I totally agree.

The problem is the average person is ‘starstruck’ that a reporter deems them worthy to give an opinion and blabbers away. They become the center of attention and it makes them feel good/important/special. The politician will answer to get his/her spin out there. Reporters know this and count on it. Thus the abundance of “Some say” questions.

Reporters are the lounge lizards of the media world. Treat them accordingly.


27 posted on 06/30/2012 10:51:34 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Kaslin

I’m sorry, but this is just bizarre. A good whooping back behinfd te shed in the old days would have done more good and te kids would still have a life.
The kids wre cruel. Whodda thunk that could happen?


28 posted on 06/30/2012 10:52:52 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Ann Archy

Actually I am familiar with such “schools” as I had the opportunity to tour one in California. These schools have severely emotionally disturbed children that can not handle a regular achool environment. These are kids that pose a threat to themselves and/or others. It is a locked facility, kids are kept in one classroom all day, going out only for recess. These kids are in for the shock of their lives and I think the school district has definitely overreacted. How about commutity service of 250 hours and writing a 50 page paper on the effects of bullying with footnotes and bibliography required. These kids definitely have poor parenting at home to behave in such a manner. The parents did not do their homework re: this placement and should have gone to fair hearing re: placement alternatives. Shame on those parents.


29 posted on 06/30/2012 10:54:20 AM PDT by BLOC77 (i was pro-life before pro-life was cool)
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To: Uncle Slayton
The kids are being punished far too harshly

Only because they are members of a 'minority'.

... and it is being ignored that the Bus Monitor was incapable of doing her job and had no business working on that bus.

Don't blame her. Jobs are hard to find. Take it if you can get it.

I would point the finger at the person or staff who decided to hire her, knowing what kind of 'kids' she would have to deal with. Then again, perhaps she was the only one who applied for the job.

30 posted on 06/30/2012 10:54:39 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Kaslin

Calling it bullying is just a diversion.

The problem is godlessness.


31 posted on 06/30/2012 10:54:52 AM PDT by donna (Mitt quote: ...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way...)
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To: Kaslin

Call it a reform school if you want, but it’s an alternative school, such as are currently available to many school districts in the U.S.

By the way, I believe the school district is going to have to pay to send the kids to the alternative school, since they are required by law to provide for their education unless they could successfully expel them, which would be far too harsh a penalty given the circumstances. Since you don’t save any money by having one or two less students in a classroom, the money to send them to the alternative school will come from the taxpayers, rather than from foregone expenses.

For that reason, the community service they’re required to perform should conceivably be something that saves the school money, like summer maintenance projects, or serving as scorekeepers at ball games, lining fields, cleaning under bleachers, etc.

Ms. Klein suffered, and is being compensated for it by donations. The school district is paying in terms of both money and administrative time, both of which detract from the regular business of the school. I’ll bet a couple hundred hours of administrative time has already been expended on this matter, with more to come. Current laws, both state and federal, tie public schools in knots that most people remain blissfully unaware of.


32 posted on 06/30/2012 10:55:38 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: FastCoyote

Yikes, my sticky keyboard makes me look like a fool. Off to Frey’s for a new one.


33 posted on 06/30/2012 10:56:34 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Kaslin

I would much rather attend reform school for a year than face what my parents would have given me.


34 posted on 06/30/2012 10:57:00 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Thank You Rush

Based on your post, I think you are just as incapable of using good judgment as those school officials. A years suspension and reform school is far too severe for what these kids did, unless they have many other similar incidents that have not been reported.

You seem to want to punish these kids for all the other misbehavior by other kids that was not punished.


35 posted on 06/30/2012 10:58:51 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

Those vile children deserve everything they have gotten. Either you never watched the video or, sadly, the things those kids were saying didn’t make you want vomit.


36 posted on 06/30/2012 10:59:22 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Sherman Logan
Imagine what kind of job a BUS MONITOR must be. Interviewee:"Can I carry a gun?"

Interviewer: "No."

Interviewee: "A knife?"

Interviewer: "No."

Interviewee: "Pepper Spray, or a Taser?"

Interviewer: "No, and No."

Interviewee: "Can I at least hit them ?"

Interviewer: "Absolutely not."

Interviewee: "Can you validate my parking ticket before I leave?"

37 posted on 06/30/2012 11:00:59 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Kaslin

“Reengagement Center.” (??)

Sounds like a term out of Atlas Shrugged or Orwell’s 1984!


38 posted on 06/30/2012 11:01:26 AM PDT by Humidston (For the first time in my adult life I FEAR my government.)
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To: Norseman

Expulsion id not ‘too harsh a penalty. These little darlings did not experience ‘sudden bully syndrome’. They have been like this for a while.

Their punishment should have STARTED with expulsion. The compensation the woman got came from private donations, not the school/district.

“IMO” - It’s pathetic that people on this site defend this crap. Actions have consequences. They screwed up big, they pay big. Personally I think they got off light, but I’m good with it overall. At least they weren’t served milk and cookies.


39 posted on 06/30/2012 11:01:37 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Uncle Slayton
Yep she should have had a stun gun and pepper spray, “for 10 minutes” that is BS they have been crapping on her for some time, I bet.
40 posted on 06/30/2012 11:02:41 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: Ann Archy
This reform schools is really a junior prison. These kids will be with scum.

Sorry, while I agree that the kids have made a big mistake and that what they did was terrible, they are not criminals.

And as far as Klein...Haven't heard one word about St. Jude's or the Golisano Center. True colors??

41 posted on 06/30/2012 11:03:33 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Uncle Slayton

The perennial cynic about all the wrong things, aren’t you.

The lady was given a figurehead job. As if just having a grownup there would cause unruly kids to simmer down. That was when kids respected grownups. What was she empowered to do? Diddly squat. They hired her where she would prove to be a patsy, but old fashioned she had no idea that kids were this wild today and so accepted the post.


42 posted on 06/30/2012 11:04:41 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Will88

The video went viral, the school district was embarrassed, the parents either don’t care or are stupid to allow such a placement offer to stand. These kids will now have a classification, and resulting EIP, determined to be severely emotionally impaired. Becuase this is a government entity, good luck ever getting that expunged from their records. Shame on the parents. Big difference between “emotionally disturbed” and being a freaking big mouth brat.


43 posted on 06/30/2012 11:04:50 AM PDT by BLOC77 (i was pro-life before pro-life was cool)
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To: dennisw

the donations for Klein now stand north of $668,000


44 posted on 06/30/2012 11:06:50 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Come quickly Lord Jesus.)
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To: boomop1

The job of a bus monitor is to keep control of the students on the bus and maintain safety of those on the bus.

The bus monitor failed in her duties and should have been fired long ago.


45 posted on 06/30/2012 11:06:55 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: BLOC77

Can’t whip them at all today in most places, which would have been a very quick answer, but at the least it ought to have entailed a lot of community service before letting the bullies back to school.


46 posted on 06/30/2012 11:08:04 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I, too, am shocked at some of the responses on this thread. These punks are future Kleibold and Harrises - with the filthiest mouths I’ve ever heard. No elderly American should have to put up with that corrusive, evil behavior.


47 posted on 06/30/2012 11:09:00 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Uncle Slayton

Where did cynical you find a copy of the employment contract she got? She was patsied. They really ought to punish the school administration who wouldn’t empower her as well as the bullies.


48 posted on 06/30/2012 11:09:43 AM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Well, obviously you had parents that taught you the concept of consequences. These kids did not, based on what I know they are in for the “hell” of their young lives.


49 posted on 06/30/2012 11:10:16 AM PDT by BLOC77 (i was pro-life before pro-life was cool)
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To: Uncle Slayton

OK. Explain in detail how under today’s ROEs as defined by PC, how exactly ANYONE could do that in the situation she was presented. I’ll wait...


50 posted on 06/30/2012 11:10:16 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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