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The Dangerous Self-Delusion of Some Conservatives
markamerica.com ^ | June 30. 2012 | Mark America

Posted on 06/30/2012 10:23:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: EternalVigilance

I support your analysis.


221 posted on 06/30/2012 5:23:12 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The First Bystander must be removed!)
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To: dragnet2; dead; rogue yam; SaxxonWoods; EternalVigilance; all the best; roses of sharon; ...
I believe this whole two party system production, is one big rigged con job..Good cop bad cop....All setup to appease the easily led morons, as they're incrementally led down the path.

No solutions to problems will ever come from DC, because DC is the problem.

All each election cycle is about is which bunch of degenerate crooks, cowards, con men, and liars gets to control and redistribute the money extorted by the IRS from us chumps outside the beltway, and how much of it.

It's plain to see what is going on in DC to anyone who has ever spent any time there, the place is perpetually flush with cash, with hundreds of thousand of Federal Apparatchiks with huge smiles on their faces walking around drawing huge salaries, plus bonuses and pensions courtesy of us dolts in the hinterland.

What has the GOP ever done when they controlled the WH and Congress that materially changed anything, or made the Federal Bureaucracy smaller?

We still have the agencies like IRS, the Department of Energy, and Education, and EPA, and to boot, they established new ones like DHS and TSA.

Anyone who tries to starve the beast is politically assassinated by propagandists from the left and right, like Gingrich was over the Government shutdown at the end of his career in Congress and again a few months ago when he tried for the nomination.

There will be nothing coming out of DC other than a bigger hand in your pocket and more limits on your freedom.

The DC problem will not be solved politically.

The FOUNDERS had no intention of establishing Universal Suffrage and DELIBERATELY did not put a right to vote in the Constitution because they knew it would lead to the collapse before us today, and make no mistake about it, when the Social Security checks stop coming, there will be a collapse.

Universal Suffrage has been enacted via Constitutional Amendments, hell, the communists are even giving illegal aliens the vote by Executive Order.

Collapse and reset are the only way out of this now, and rotating the Capital amongst the States.

There is no greater threat to the freedom and prosperity of the American Citizenry than the Federal Apparatus in Washington DC, and anyone who thinks all we have to do to change things is send the "right" people there hasn't looked at the situation from a logical perspective at best, or at worst, is self delusional.

222 posted on 06/30/2012 5:41:27 PM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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To: EternalVigilance

Understanding your issues with Romney, you feel a continued Obama Presidency is a better bet for nascent life? Because without your support at the booth, that’s the gamble you’re making.

Is there no chance Romney would sign GOP restrictions on PP funding?

Conservative inaction benefits Obama, and makes things more difficult for the inevitable GOP Houses.

We need all 3 Houses.


223 posted on 06/30/2012 5:42:23 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Jim Robinson

As I see it, Jim, we have one chance only left to us. One non-violent chance, that is. We can either take our country back this November, or kiss it goodbye forever. There won’t be another chance after this election.


224 posted on 06/30/2012 5:42:45 PM PDT by logos (Only an educated intellectual will consistently misread plain language.)
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To: Resettozero
I thought we were discussing MarkAmerica’s spiel that opened this thread, not discussing Romney at all.

From MarkAmerica's spiel:

"IF Mitt Romney is elected..."

225 posted on 06/30/2012 5:43:35 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

Then I misunderstood where you were coming from all along.


226 posted on 06/30/2012 5:46:54 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: rogue yam

You prefer Romney over Obama. I prefer neither. I absolutely will not support an abortionist/homosexualist statist for the presidency. Period.

That’s the plain truth as clear as I can state it.


227 posted on 06/30/2012 5:48:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, if you are genuinely indifferent between the Romney and Obama, then that is your preference.

The fact remains that there is a substantial amount of campaigning for Obama on this site, and this campaigning is often conducted in ways that are unconservative.


228 posted on 06/30/2012 5:54:57 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
Much of the campaigning for Obama that is being done here on FR these days is conducted in a way that I have thought to be irrational and dishonest.

You know, claiming that people who state that they won't vote for Romney are campaigning for Obama is equivalent to claiming that people who state that they will vote for Romney are campaigning for abortion.

Surely, your mind is subtle enough to grasp that one can be opposed to both Romney and Obama, especially since (as you were reminded by those videos) Romney and Obama agree about most everything important.

229 posted on 06/30/2012 5:55:18 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: rogue yam

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Our God-given Life, Liberty and freedoms are NOT negotiable!!

For God, Family, Country, Life and Liberty!!

Romney is NONE of the above. He is not the solution. He’s part of the problem. Been there, done that.


230 posted on 06/30/2012 5:56:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Gene Eric

Sorry. I don’t support lying pro-choice democrat socialists, not even those with R’s by their names.


231 posted on 06/30/2012 5:56:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Liberty. What a concept. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Jim Robinson

Now that’s more like it. That’s what Jim Robinson sounds like when he posts.


232 posted on 06/30/2012 5:59:10 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Jim Robinson

I’d have a hard time seeing what a blank or third party vote would mean either to God or man at this point, but this is the place where groups of us agree to disagree. We know what you will choose and respect you even if we disagree. The election process is way more than general elections. By a measure which had previously always predicted winners (volume of T shirt sales), Sarah Palin was appearing the fave. But she declined to run and it’s pointless to argue why. That’s when the herds of cats appeared and it all went downhill. Trying to avoid a replay of THAT would be more helpful than voting a protest candidate, but just IMHO.


233 posted on 06/30/2012 6:08:18 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Obama is a greater threat to nascent life. My goal is to help reduce the killing. I can’t let other voters make that determination for me.

FRegards.


234 posted on 06/30/2012 6:09:43 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, Jim..we are going to be stuck with Romney or Obama and I will take my chances with Romney...warts and all.
Beat the Obamanation.


235 posted on 06/30/2012 6:13:07 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: MEG33

If you can vote for Romney and be proud of it, then that’s what you should do. And, don’t look back.


236 posted on 06/30/2012 6:15:30 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Tau Food

The only thing I will be proud of is helping to beat Obama.


237 posted on 06/30/2012 6:18:32 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: Tau Food
You know, claiming that people who state that they won't vote for Romney are campaigning for Obama is equivalent to claiming that people who state that they will vote for Romney are campaigning for abortion.

Who has claimed that those merely stating that they won't vote for Romney are campaigning for Obama? Not me. Obviously one has to do more than this to be objectively described as campaigning for Obama.

(One example of what more an Obama supporter might do is to deliberately use tendentious, straw-man arguments against Romney supporters. Seen any of these lately?)

I say that numerous persistent and prolific FReepers are doing far more than simply stating that they won't vote for Romney, and that these posters are by any objective standard campaigning for Obama. Are you saying that I am wrong?

238 posted on 06/30/2012 6:18:50 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: MEG33

Well, however it comes out, you should do what you think is right for you. You’ll never need to answer to any other human being but yourself.


239 posted on 06/30/2012 6:20:29 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Gene Eric

AMEN


240 posted on 06/30/2012 6:21:24 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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