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College grads learning good jobs hard to find now (employers note "skill gap")
San Antonio Express News ^ | July 1, 2012 | Tracy Idell Hamilton and Beth Brown

Posted on 07/01/2012 3:24:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Ann Archy
History was one of the old "liberal arts" (in the good sense) that grew out of the medieval Trivium and Quadrivium. They are opposed to the "mechanical" or "practical arts" - those courses of study that require learning a body of information (like engineering and so forth).

The purpose is not to learn history, just as Izaak Walton's real purpose in fishing was not to catch fish.

History (properly taught) teaches you how to read and digest large amounts of written material, how to write, and how to think analytically. Almost any workplace can use somebody with those talents.

In many places, a history degree is nothing but a "social studies" degree -- b.s. with a politically correct coating. THAT sort of degree is as useless as one in sociology.

161 posted on 07/01/2012 1:32:08 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: JCBreckenridge; Ann Archy

:-D Took the words right out of my mouth . . . .


162 posted on 07/01/2012 1:38:34 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A DEGREE does NOT bestow SKILLS upon you.

SKILLS are gained through EXPERIENCE

You do NOT need a DEGREE to get EXPERIENCE.

163 posted on 07/01/2012 1:42:29 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: mazda77
Physical sciences. Software is called software for a very important reason my FRiend. Get a second major in electrical or mechanical.

Wait, what? Is math a soft science? -- It's actually called software because it's the changeable/malleable algorithms implemented on the machine, rather than being hard-wired into it.

But I'll consider it. I do not want to return to school; I put myself through it by doing the National Guard and I don't want to do that again (far too much politics).

164 posted on 07/01/2012 1:44:33 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 9YearLurker

It’s called liberty. Look it up.

It’s easily a living wage for me here in Texas and I am doing what I enjoy and am building up experience to move up the ladder.

It’s a free country isn’t it?


165 posted on 07/01/2012 1:46:14 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: miss marmelstein

I understood that from your previous post and I didn’t mean to imply otherwise. We’re in complete agreement all around.


166 posted on 07/01/2012 1:47:19 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DH

“I am the founder and owner of an industrial electronic manufacturing and product design business.”

Would be nice to have a name so I can be sure never to patronize you. :)


167 posted on 07/01/2012 1:51:30 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: 9YearLurker

It does tend to, but you’re talking mainly about rice bowl issues. They don’t want to starve to death or lose their independence.

It’s up to us to show them the way out. That way has to be politically viable. Liberals have forced their views on us and the way out isn’t to force our views on the country. Educate them and reason with them, that’s the best way. I think the suggestions that allow young people to get out of SS or those under a certain age are good. We must definitely change medicare.

The GOP and conservatives specifically have got to be nimble and goal oriented. It may take us a dozen steps to undo all the government jumble that’s messed up our country, but we cannot shoot ourselves every time we don’t get 100%.

I’ll take the incremental, but politically possible path every time. A little fiscal conservatism and a little social conservatism a little at a time and all in the correct direction.


168 posted on 07/01/2012 1:53:35 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Oh, sorry. I misunderstood!


169 posted on 07/01/2012 1:55:29 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: DH

“What’s yours?”

I’m a teacher. I also subcontract data entry work for firms on an as needed basis. I own my own tutoring business. I might not be a millionaire but I’m doing alright. Don’t owe a dime, and run things on cash on hand only.

Wasn’t even touched by the Obama recession when plenty of other folks closed, and the credit crunch was the same. Too many other businesses were running off borrowed credit. Still are in fact.


170 posted on 07/01/2012 1:56:24 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: 1010RD

Unfortunately our ‘team’ (the GOPe) seems to merely want to slow the rate of increase in big government dependence, not turn it around.

We definitely have our work cut out for us...


171 posted on 07/01/2012 2:30:59 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: C19fan

“Also, with the cost of tuition skyrocketing is it worth going six figures into debt for a BA degree.’

I personally believe a BA has value but not six figures. Six figures today represents the cost of a private school education. There are other alternatives. If I were 18 today, was funding my education, and wanted a degree I’d probably go to the local community college for a 2 year associate degree while working as many hours as I could. I’d then go to a state university for my last two years. Of course I’d also pursue every scholarship program I could identify. Another option would be ROTC.

When my daughter applied to college in the early 2000’s the cost of 4 years at a state school was about $50,000 including room and board. Private school was 2-3 times that depending on the “prestige” of the school. Thanks to her good grades and extracurricular activities in high school she actually ended up with a nice scholarship package from an “up and coming” private school with her net cost at $10,000 per year. She worked all four years while she was in school so with our assistance, her income, and her savings she exited college debt free. She then went to graduate school (state university). She paid for grad school by working and taking out loans. Now she is working two jobs and will have her graduate education paid off less than 3 years after graduating.

Quite frankly I have no sympathy for the Harvard, Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt, or Columbia graduate with a fresh liberal arts BA and $200,000 in debt. Those students and their parents have exercised poor judgment. I’ve seen first hand it is possible to go to college and not be in debt for life upon graduation. The kids who work their way through a state school, or less prestigious private school, appreciate the value of their education and are much more prepared to compete in the world than the students taking on six figure debt and using their extra time in college to play or participate in Occupy Wall Street.

Look at our president for example. He was given private school undergraduate and graduate school educations at very expensive private institutions. He shows no indication he appreciates those educations or anything else about this country.


172 posted on 07/01/2012 2:40:58 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: Texas Fossil

I’d be happy with a Court made up of nine Catholics in the mold of Justice Thomas all the live long day!

The next President will likely get to appoint 3 Justices - Ginsburg, Breyer? or even Scalia or Kennedy. Which of them retires will depend on who wins, but Ginsburg is old. The other 3 could hold on, but if Romney takes a second term he’ll get all three for a total of four nominations.

It would be smart for conservatives to start looking for 3 Thomases who can survive the confirmation process. Liberals will fight like mad, but if you can appoint the right Justices, the Court will then be solidly conservative for more than a generation.


173 posted on 07/01/2012 2:46:04 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Eye of Unk

“Gusmithing has been my hobby for years, and it may very well become my primary source of income soon.”

Great idea and good luck. Given the way the country is headed you have a skill that will have value no matter how bad things become. A local community college near me is teaching blacksmithing. I’m thinking about taking it up as a hobby. Again, it is a skill that could be valuable if our civilization collapses and we go to a much more primitive economy.


174 posted on 07/01/2012 2:47:34 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: 9YearLurker

We truly do. Keep in mind that we couldn’t even cut the sugar tariff which benefits the few at the expense of the many.

It will take a multiprong attack. We need to win the Presidency, despite Romney’s less than conservative record. That won we need to take the Congress, but with enough conservatives to make a difference. We then need to get 2 Supreme Court Justices to retire with at least one of them a liberal. That gives us the Court (depending on whether or not we get a stealth liberal - think Souter)

That still isn’t quite enough because the GOPe will simply ally with Dems to move their agenda forward. We’ll need to outmaneuver them over and over again. Pick just one goal - Strengthening the 10th Amendment is a good one (we just won the Commerce Clause Debate) and use every policy tool - Executive, Legislative and Judicial - to win.

Think 2nd Amendment and look for issues that capture the mushy middle. School vouchers would also work wonders.

Gee, we really do have our work cut out for us.


175 posted on 07/01/2012 2:53:30 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

I don’t know, Roberts seems awfully young to retire. ;-)


176 posted on 07/01/2012 3:51:48 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: JCBreckenridge

You are a teacher huh? I am not surprised.

You could not utilize any of of services or product because they are for products for people who work with their hands and pay taxes so teachers can unionize and only work 9 months out of year.

Basically, they are for people who actually produce a tangible product or service themselves.

So much with your threat to ruin my business by not buying anything.


177 posted on 07/01/2012 4:03:58 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What, Fraternity XBox high scorer and youPorn producer aren’t skills in demand? Imagine that.

These demoralized Gen-XYZ frat punks, and the progressive 60’s reject dirt bags who created them, are in for a rude awakening when they discover the system has tired of their gaming.

GAME OVER.


178 posted on 07/01/2012 5:12:28 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: Tax-chick

Ha Ha! I was bailing hay at his age with 102 ambient temps in Tennessee. The barn was pure hell. Tell him we at FR respect his work ethic and attitude. It makes the man!

(We sincerely appreciate you getting it done as well)


179 posted on 07/01/2012 5:21:58 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Ann Archy

Once again, Start making collages & university issue the loan to pay for their degree program and tie repayment to the students income over the next 10-20 years and you will see university start offering education for worthwhile fields in which there is demand.

Right now the university system is build upon a foundation of reputation bordering on outright fraud. They don’t care how successive the vast majority of their students & degrees are because they get paid upfront by the ignorant student.

Wether the student can get a job from their degree pay back their loans(now issued by uncle Sam) is largely irrelevant to the university. All the university has to do is convince the child & their parents that they can & must if that at all. With Federal taxpayer dollars on the line nether is necessarily too inclined to be worried about payback.


180 posted on 07/01/2012 5:30:01 PM PDT by Monorprise
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