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California’s Republicans: Fading into irrelevance
The Economist ^ | 29 June 2012 | Economist

Posted on 07/02/2012 9:44:24 PM PDT by Cronos

AFTER weeks of squabbling, California’s politicians managed to get a budget approved this week. Their dispute had followed a familiar pattern. One side, spooked by yawning budget deficits, wanted to make deeper cuts to welfare payments. The other, fearful of the effects on California’s army of unemployed, sought to find savings elsewhere. It sounds like a classic Republican-Democrat ding-dong. In fact, the row pitted one Democratic force (the governor, Jerry Brown) against another (the state legislature). Shut out of the talks, the state’s opposition Republican legislators were reduced to boycotting budget hearings and issuing sulky statements.

..California gave America two of its five most recent Republican presidents. But the state party has fallen on hard times since the days of Nixon and Reagan. After having fallen for decades, the number of registered Republican voters in California now stands at just 30%

...The picture is no prettier when it comes to elections for national offices. Republicans have not won a Senate election in California since 1988. The party now accounts for just 19 of the state’s 53 congressmen. The last Republican presidential candidate to take California was George Bush senior. As the most populous state, California holds over one in ten electoral-college votes. But neither Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee, nor Barack Obama will bother to campaign here—although both regularly drop by to raise funds.

..What seems clearer is that the array of fiscal problems California faces is forcing at least some Democratic officials to tilt in a Republican direction. Voters in San Jose, recently approved cuts to pension benefits for city workers by 70% to 30% . Last year liberal eyebrows were raised when Gavin Newsom, the Democratic lieutenant-governor, journeyed to deeply Republican Texas, along with several Republicans, to uncover the secret of the Lone Star state’s job-creation record.

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What can be done?
1 posted on 07/02/2012 9:44:30 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Correction:

Republicans: Fading into irrelevance


2 posted on 07/02/2012 9:45:45 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Cronos; stylecouncilor; windcliff

I’m not a Republican Californian. I’m a conservative.


3 posted on 07/02/2012 9:49:43 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: dragnet2

Thesis: CA Republicans are too conservative.

Solution: CA Republicans should act more like Democrats.

No thanks.


4 posted on 07/02/2012 9:51:15 PM PDT by DarrellZero
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To: Cronos
California Republicans: Fading Faded into irrelevance

There... I fixed it for you.

The time has long since passed for conservatives in California to look outside the Republican Party for candidates to support. The State GOP is overrun with countryclubbers who have no interest in reducing the size of government or protecting individual liberty. The same GOP powerbrokers who seek conservative support every cycle despised Reagan and do everything in their power to prevent conservative candidates from winning. The result is year after year of losses with no end in sight. I think that we should be looking for conservative Democrats to support or to another party.

The California GOP no longer deserves the support of conservatives. It's time to face up to that fact and look for allies elsewhere. It's time to think outside the Republican box.

5 posted on 07/02/2012 10:02:57 PM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: DarrellZero
It's the ol Republican rah rah ditty...

Republican nominee, nor Barack Obama will bother to campaign here

Too funny!

Most people I know here, figured out long ago, this is all one big Democan party sham. They'd be better off selling their lies in North Dakota or Florida...There's a sucker born every minute.

To be blunt, I don't believe a word either of them say.

6 posted on 07/02/2012 10:04:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Cronos

This is what happened by California Republicans compromising on Illegal Immigration, limited government, Abortion, and to some extent, gay issues.


7 posted on 07/02/2012 10:05:28 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Redcloak
The time has long since passed for conservatives in California to look outside the Republican Party for candidates to support.

I've been there for years now.

I doubt I'll ever again vote for another Republican. Getting gang raped repeatedly by habitual liars and corrupt political insiders has a tendency to do that to ya.

8 posted on 07/02/2012 10:12:22 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Redcloak
"California Republicans: Fading (Faded) into irrelevance.

Thank you sir, but for you I would have had to type it.

9 posted on 07/02/2012 10:16:31 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Cronos
The Republican Leaders has gone left me! They no longer represent the conservative ideals!

I'm a old fashion Republican or a present-day Libertarian. I like Ron Paul's ideas on the Government except for his nutty foreign policy.

I like Newt since he knows where the bodies are buried!

10 posted on 07/02/2012 10:18:39 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (We have met the enemy and they is us!)
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To: Cronos

Forced secession.


11 posted on 07/02/2012 10:18:50 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Cronos

I’m in CA. Even with the low Rat turnout in 2010, the GOP got slaughtered here. We are “ahead” of the demographic curve here. The Latino pop is huge. The GOP is, effectively, dead in my state. Sadly, the last nail is going to be in Nov.


12 posted on 07/02/2012 10:20:41 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Cronos

Anchor babies born before 1994 are now able to vote Democrat.


13 posted on 07/02/2012 10:24:32 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: DarrellZero
Thesis: CA Republicans are too conservative.

Solution: CA Republicans should act more like Democrats.

No thanks.

Ironically, it was because so many California Republicans acted more like Democrats that the party faded into irrelevance. Karl Rove and his buddy Gerry Parsky were the ones behind this cowardly suicide. Congratulations to them. Great strategy.

14 posted on 07/02/2012 10:34:21 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Cronos

Past a certain point, the only viable option is to abandon ship. Come on guys - the stern is pointed skyward!


15 posted on 07/02/2012 10:53:55 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dragnet2

Republicans are fading into relevence from sea to shining sea.


16 posted on 07/02/2012 11:08:55 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Cronos

The mass emigration of East Coasters in the 50’s and 60’s included a a preponderance of liberal Democrats and their tame RINO Republican friends.

Once a Conservative bastion, California became a New York clone through massive emmigration 60 years ago. It is just as hopeless as any east coast state...


17 posted on 07/02/2012 11:14:43 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Terry Mross

Yep...Even the party pom pom wavers, what’s left of them, are having difficulty selling this two party con-job.


18 posted on 07/02/2012 11:18:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

During the socalled crisis of 2008 more than 130 congress jerks made more than 600 trades in two days. From both parties. All said it was just coincidence.

Both parties are there to cash in and build a big nest egg for the next four or five of their generations. I’ve been saying the republicans should introduce a bill removing congress’ exemption from the obamacare law. It won’t happen because the republicans don’t want to have to show their true colors. They get the same perks the dems get and they want to keep it that way. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that all of them have stashes for extended families to be taken care of in a crash....probably on some tropical island being waited on hand and foot by Phillipino slaves.

As you can tell, I despise both parties. And I don’t see how anyone is going to stop this boulder from rolling on down the hill. The gop had the WH, senate and house. They could have made laws that it would have taken Pelosi and Ried and obama decades to undo. But they didn’t. And I don’t have to wonder why.


19 posted on 07/02/2012 11:31:51 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Cronos
The problem in California for Republicans is exactly the same as the problem for conservatives. It is not misguided economic policies, one party system, or socialism by the drink.

These are but symptoms of a demographic problem which is about to erupt out of California like a virus.


20 posted on 07/02/2012 11:33:09 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Forty-Niner; Travis McGee; nathanbedford; Pelham

Why did you neglect to mention the meteoric rise of the non white population in Kali

That has been far worse than Yankees displacing Okies and ..er...Forty Niners after WWII


21 posted on 07/02/2012 11:40:02 PM PDT by wardaddy (John Roberts collection of Sally Quinn's panties just got a hefty contribution this week..)
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To: Cronos

Where are conservative values taught in California? Where are constitutional principles taught?

In the schools? In the universities? In the media?

The infrastructure of the war of ideas has already been abdicated by our side. Solve that problem and you solve the political problem. Fail to solve that problem and there is no political solution possible.

You can’t depend on passing conservative ideas by osmosis. They are taught and learned. If they are not taught, don’t be surprise if they are not learned.

If the GOP is irrelevant they are doing nothing to turn it around. They need firebrand evangelists and all they have are shrinking violets. They need to be preaching bedrock principle and all they can do is blab on about tax cuts and miniscule reductions in the budgetary rate of increase. If being a Repub means being a Discount Democrat, then of course they are irrelevant.


22 posted on 07/02/2012 11:57:38 PM PDT by marron
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To: Cronos

cut the disease of lawlessness out. keep your distance. quaranteen us. individuals (outside of ca) need to reassert their soverignity via their soverign states. we continue to humble ourselves and pray for His mercy.


23 posted on 07/03/2012 12:13:06 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Cronos
Wait for the end... nothing you can do. There are more leftists than Conservatives and no reason for new Conservatives to move there. In fact... there is an exodus of Conservatives and businesses.

LLS

24 posted on 07/03/2012 1:11:54 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Cronos

The only hope for that state is to sever a narrow, coastal swath from the bay area south to below L.A. County (Coastal California) and create a 51st state. The interior and all northern counties, still somewhat populated by patriotic Americans, would remain.

Aside from that, the answer to the question, “What can be done” is: “Nothing. Too late.”


25 posted on 07/03/2012 2:00:46 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Since CA is permanently locked to the floor of the democrats` plantation, there`s no need for the candidates to campaign there, other than to harvest $$$.


26 posted on 07/03/2012 2:10:24 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: Cronos

What can be done?

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Hopefully nothing. I lived in CA for 15 years and despite having a beautiful exterior its politics are rotten to the core. Any State where prison guards, teachers, State workers have what is essentially veto power over legislation through the influence their unions buy is doomed.

My thoughts for conservatives trapped there are to get the heck out or go as Galt as is possible and prepare for the end.

Many need to see the collapse of a progressive “paradise” before they’ll reconsider their views.

Its a shame because it is a stunningly beautiful place, especially if you’re an outdoor type.

Unfortunately its full of Californians.. (present company excepted)


27 posted on 07/03/2012 4:02:35 AM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: Cronos
California’s Republicans: Fading into irrelevance

California is fading into destruction. Debt that will ruin them, massive and entrenched illegal alien population, a war against God, worshiping nature, legalize pot to make it all feel better, and homosexual "marriage". What could go wrong? lol
28 posted on 07/03/2012 4:17:00 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: gzzimlich

Collapse still does nothing. Detroit as an example. Plenty of other examples.


29 posted on 07/03/2012 4:32:19 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom is a myth anymore. We were duped.)
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To: wardaddy

“Why did you neglect to mention the meteoric rise of the non white population in Kali.”

Because California, from it’s earliest days, has had a signicant native Hispanic population, much of that as conservative as the rest of California prior to 1970.

Race has nothing to do with it as your question implies. Shame on you.

Since the late 1960’s when the emigration of east coaster, through Democrat Party politics, began to exert their influence on state governance, the rise of illegal immigration, hispanic, asian, and european has taken a huge jump.

San Francisco, home of east coaster (Maryland) Nancy Pelosi, declares itself to be a “sanctuary city” for illegals. Without the influence of east coast socialists much of this would not have occurred.

Los Angeles is the new Mexico City, just ask her Mayor Villarosa, promoted and lauded by east coast transplanted Democrats, who know how to keep the peasants on the farm.

The Democrats, never a force in California politics untill the great emmigrations of the 50’s and 60’s, use identity politics to maintain and increase their destructive power over California.

To them, using the illegal immigrant and related issues to influence and increase that power is OK. Mexico is a socialist country and it’s transplanted population, economic refugees, will all naturally vote, legally or not, for the socialists in the Democrat Party......all brought on and sanctoned by the east coast dominated California Democrat Party (and their east coast RINO Republican emmigrant friends.)

Ironically, Caesar Chavez, an icon of the left, hated the illegal immigrant, who he saw as a destablizing force undercutting his attempts to “organize” the farm worker.


30 posted on 07/03/2012 5:46:07 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: dragnet2
The article is wrong. So long as Republicans keep more than 1/3 of the votes in either the assembly or the senate, they are EXTREMELY relevant. With this, they can still block tax and fee increases. Otherwise the Rats have to try to get the voters to pass the taxes with initiatives and they have a terrible record of it. The odds are about 50-50 that they will fail with their attempt to raise taxes this way this November. And that is despite non-stop propaganda from the media about the horrible consequences if we don't pass it.

The Economist is a leftist rag. They are just trying to suppress the CA Republican turnout in Nov. Well, screw them. I will vote at least once ;-)
31 posted on 07/03/2012 10:28:29 AM PDT by fifedom
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To: nathanbedford

“These are but symptoms of a demographic problem which is about to erupt out of California like a virus.”

That last sentence of yours is absolutely true.


32 posted on 07/03/2012 9:26:31 PM PDT by Pelham (John Roberts: the cherry on top of judicial tyranny.)
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To: ScottinVA

I agree... the most beautiful State in the Union is lost to satan... which is why satan wanted it in the first place.

LLS


33 posted on 07/04/2012 5:07:37 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Forty-Niner; Travis McGee; Pelham
Race has nothing to do with it as your question implies. Shame on you.

Oh what BS...the decline of California has everything to do with the rise of the latino population there

almost every minority flavor in America votes leftist...to claim the fact they are minority has nothing to do with it is wishful thinking for those who cannot handle the truth about how particular groups of people both behave a vote

I will ping two Cali freepers...one former...one current and ask them if the fact the latino population as a percentage in California has nearly doubled since 1990 is the major factor in why the state is now lost..and further...their continued rise nationwide bodes just as poorly if only by their voting stats alone

even with a poor candidate like McCain, white men in Kali voted nearly 50/50...49 to be exact

latino men voted mid 70s percentage for Obama

that would have killed us even by their 1990 population

GOP has lost Kali every major election since 1988

California, which rapidly gained population during the Gold Rush of 1848, joined the union in September, 1850 as part of the Compromise of 1850. With the exception of 1920 and 2010, the state has gained electoral votes from every census since its founding. In 1972, California reached 45 electoral votes, passing New York for most in the country. With 55 currently, the state has more than 10% of all available electoral votes. While growth in the Latino population has helped make California a reliably Democratic state today, this was not always the case. In fact, from 1952 through 1988, Republicans won every presidential election except the landslide loss of Barry Goldwater in 1964. In 2008, Barack Obama defeated John McCain by 61%-37%.

34 posted on 07/04/2012 1:03:28 PM PDT by wardaddy (John Roberts collection of Sally Quinn's panties just got a hefty contribution this week..)
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To: umgud
Anchor babies born before 1994 are now able to vote Democrat.

So are all deceased Democrats.....

35 posted on 07/04/2012 1:06:50 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Forty-Niner; wardaddy
"Race has nothing to do with it as your question implies. Shame on you."

What utter, sanctimonious, head-in-the-sand mierda del toro.

Yeah, the immivasion has NADA que hacer to do with Cali's problemas. Nada!

Now, go ahead and call me a racist, because I believe my own reading of history, examination of current events around the world and life experience, and choose not to drink your multi-culti-uber-alles PC Koolaid.

Yawn.

(Try harder with a real argument next time. Your "Race Card" has expired.)

36 posted on 07/04/2012 2:33:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Kali is a look into the future of this great nation...unless we can stop the contagion.


37 posted on 07/04/2012 2:40:54 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: wardaddy

Agreed!


38 posted on 07/04/2012 2:47:49 PM PDT by Osage Orange (8675309)
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To: Travis McGee

Wow! Just wow!

Couching the illegal immigration problem in racial terms only plays into the leftist’ hands, They will have no problem casting YOU as a white hooded bigot. The average Joe Six Pack will, even while deploring the illegals, agree with them.

To win this arguement we need to control the language used in discussing it. No matter what the ethnic bloodlines, country of origin, ect, an illegal, be he from Ireland, Hong Kong, or Mexico is just one thing...an illegal invader.

Couching your objections to the Fed’s lack of border enforcement in racial terms is a losing proposition, and you know it.

The US should follow Eisenhower’s example and wholesale deport illegals.....no matter what their origin. As I said “race has nothing to do with it, following the law does.

Posting provocative photo’s and using spanish, doesn’t do much to advance your case.....( yep, I speak some spanish)

“Now, go ahead and call me a racist....”

I don’t have to, you’ve done a good job of it yourself.....

Growing up in Southern California, I had many Hispanic friends whose family ties in California predated my own pre-1849 American pioneer/scout ties. (ever hear of Kit Carson??) You’re painting with a broad brush there sailor, and splashing your bias on others is NOT helping win the arguement.

SEAL huh???? LOLOLOL I remember training SEALs in the late 60’s....


39 posted on 07/04/2012 5:27:51 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Travis McGee

Wow! Just wow!

Couching the illegal immigration problem in racial terms only plays into the leftist’ hands, They will have no problem casting YOU as a white hooded bigot. The average Joe Six Pack will, even while deploring the illegals, agree with them.

To win this arguement we need to control the language used in discussing it. No matter what the ethnic bloodlines, country of origin, ect, an illegal, be he from Ireland, Hong Kong, or Mexico is just one thing...an illegal invader.

Couching your objections to the Fed’s lack of border enforcement in racial terms is a losing proposition, and you know it.

The US should follow Eisenhower’s example and wholesale deport illegals.....no matter what their origin. As I said “race has nothing to do with it”, following the law does.

Posting provocative photo’s and using spanish, doesn’t do much to advance your case.....( yep, I speak some spanish and know BS when I see it.)

“Now, go ahead and call me a racist....”

I don’t have to, you’ve done a good job of it yourself.....

Growing up in Southern California, I had many Hispanic friends whose family ties in California predated my own pre-1849 American pioneer/scout ties. (ever hear of Kit Carson??) You’re painting with a broad brush there sailor, and splashing your narrow minded bias on others is NOT helping win the arguement.

SEAL huh???? LOLOLOL I remember training SEALs in the late 60’s....

Yes, indeed .....Yawn.....


40 posted on 07/04/2012 5:35:55 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Forty-Niner; Travis McGee
SEAL huh???? LOLOLOL I remember training SEALs in the late 60’s....

Tell us all about it.

41 posted on 07/04/2012 5:41:54 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: wardaddy

Texas is next, I wonder how long they/we have.


42 posted on 07/04/2012 6:09:09 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Eaker

Tell us all about it.”

Sorry, highly classified. I can tell you it involved electronics. That in itself is not secret.


43 posted on 07/04/2012 7:38:23 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Forty-Niner

No, really tell us all about the SEAL training you claim to have.


44 posted on 07/04/2012 7:43:48 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: Terry Mross

I guess you nevcr heard of Scott Walker or Nikki Haley.


45 posted on 07/04/2012 7:52:42 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Eaker

“No, really tell us all about the SEAL training you claim to have.”

I never said I had SEAL training. I said I trained Seals.......electronics...highly classified. That’s all ya get. Sorry!


46 posted on 07/04/2012 7:58:22 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: wardaddy

You’ve really found a prize one there. Those who suffer from invincible ignorance aren’t able to consider evidence that runs counter to what they want to believe.


47 posted on 07/04/2012 8:30:45 PM PDT by Pelham (John Roberts: the cherry on top of judicial tyranny.)
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To: wardaddy; Kenny Bunk

Caucasian flashmob terrorizes village:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBaHPND2QJg&feature=player_embedded#!


48 posted on 07/04/2012 9:09:21 PM PDT by Pelham (John Roberts: the cherry on top of judicial tyranny.)
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To: nathanbedford
Of course the Western European Demographic has gone the way of the dodo.

Perhaps more important, The Western European Psychographic is shot all to hell. The newer generations just don't think the way we do. It's a paradigm shift and the Republicans are shift-less.

49 posted on 07/04/2012 9:15:26 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and FU Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: Travis McGee; Pelham; Osage Orange; nathanbedford; Eaker

this thread needs a regular nut alert and no i did not courtesy ping doofuss

what sorta Marine calls themselves an Ex-Marine?

the ones I know are pretty sticky about never being an “Ex Marine”

anyhow...nice show from all ya’ll

Happy Fourth

third week of incredible heat here in Middle TN

we actually went over 100 regular temp indicator last week...not heat index

a mere 95 now feels brisk


50 posted on 07/04/2012 11:49:18 PM PDT by wardaddy (John Roberts collection of Sally Quinn's panties just got a hefty contribution this week..)
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