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Team Romney: No, we’re not declaring ‘cease-fire’ on Obamacare
Washington Examiner ^

Posted on 07/03/2012 12:09:58 PM PDT by Perdogg

In the days since the Supreme Court decision upholding Obamacare, some Democrats and commentators in the press have suggested that Mitt Romney is declaring a “cease-fire” on the issue and will no longer make it a centerpiece of his campaign to defeat President Obama.

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To: Lakeshark

Actually I’m a Basset Hound lover...though they are tyrants.... I guess you’re right!


401 posted on 07/04/2012 11:12:49 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Guess what Norm, and you can ask Windy and Onyx and all the others, I even Freepmailed a conversation with both of them saying I only gave it a 50/50 shot. I wanted her to run, but never said she would.

I have no doubt that the GOPE wanted Romney and actively campaigned for him. Heck, like all politicians they probably pulled on favors from some, but pretending they are some kind of full throated overpowereing unbeatable force is crazy.

The truth of the matter is, we had no good candidate, conservatives split the vote, heck even on FR the acrimony to each others "conservative" almost tore this place apart.

You are simply exagerrating the reason Romney won, and you can't get over it.

Well, get over it, unless you want Hugo Kardashian Chavez Jr for four more years.

402 posted on 07/04/2012 11:23:19 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

I’m curious. How many posts will you wast your time on? How many ways will you dream up to hid your guilt over campaigning for a liberal?

All you have to do is vote conservative and the problem solves itself Lake. Stomping your widdld feetsies does not change the fact that you are willingly voting for a liberal. 50 posts of 50,000 will not hide the fact that you abandoned your conservatism out of fear.

I said it before and repeat it no. You have become that which you used to hate.


403 posted on 07/04/2012 11:27:51 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
As for your question, My answer is this. I will not vote for a liberal and I do not care one iota if America joins with me or not.

Norm, who defines liberal? Did you vote for John McCain, author of McAmnesty? Voted Against the Federal Marriage amendment? Against the repeal of Roe v. Wade? Certainly a prime contributor to this grotesque, bloated government.

How about George Bush? Another pro amnesty candidate. Never met a spending bill he didn't like. And certainly confused on gay marriage. He said he wanted a constitutional marriage amendment yet wanted states to have the right to enact gay marriage if they chose to.

What would happen if we went thru every candidate Norm Lenhart has ever voted for. I just gave 2 examples that could be considered liberal by your own standards.

There are no perfect candidates, nor a perfect system for electing them. My example is a great one. I have 3 chances to make very significant votes. If all voters consistently follow your logic, Obama ends up with a strong majority in the house AND senate. Excellent, just excellent. Wouldn't the country look great 4 years from now. Especially with what we know we now have in the rubber stamp of John Roberts. The point is Norm, voters, including yourself have been compromising their values from time immemorial because until someone comes up with a better system, our 2 party method is it. Adults realize this and make as best a decision as they see fit. The phrase, 'take their ball and go home' was invented for those who chose otherwise, and I'm sure terms relating to children were chosen for a reason.

404 posted on 07/04/2012 11:30:49 AM PDT by bramps (Newt was the one, but Romney will do.)
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To: bramps

Still won’t answer will you.

What defines a liberal? Please.


405 posted on 07/04/2012 11:33:42 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Alas Babylon!
I retired as a Senior Master Sergeant.

You want a medal?

I was always suspect of people who wear their former military status on their sleeves. I've ran into a few like you. Reminds me of the other idiot living in Massachusetts.

Veterans I know never speak about it. Most try to forget about what happened in the military, rather than broadcast their military status to all.

406 posted on 07/04/2012 11:36:12 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: bramps

Mr. RomneyCARE is worse than a liberal.

Mr. ROmneyCARE is Sooooo deceptive that he trashes
Constitutions and imposes RomneyDEATH PANELS
and RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE and pretends he didn’t.

Most liberals are more honest than Myth, who
has done only one thing honestly:
Destroy everything and everyone to become Tyrant.


407 posted on 07/04/2012 11:36:16 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Hey, I'm having fun watching you set yourself on your own petard, you just can't handle it; so you constantly move the goal posts, and show yourself incapable of debate or answering reasonable questions from others.

I abandoned nothing, but you seem to have abandoned your sanity out of stupidity. Yep, let's reelect Hugo Kardashian Chavez Jr, it's clear through his record we have nothing to fear with four more years of him and his minions......./S

408 posted on 07/04/2012 11:38:10 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Alas Babylon!

As I celebrate this Independence Day I would like to thank you sir for your service to our country. Thank you, and God bless.


409 posted on 07/04/2012 11:40:55 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Norm Lenhart; Lakeshark
George Orwell weeps. Are you SERIOUSLY going to try saying that this race hasn’t been manipulated by the GOP to give us the Lib?

When Rick Santorum inexplicably dropped out of the primary race, the truth of the GOP's manipulation of the nominating contest became as obvious as the nose on your face.

Santorum's sole mission was to take enough votes away from the real conservatives in the race (read: Newt), so that Romney could win with a plurality. It's no wonder that he always had a guilt stricken look on his face.

We conservatives make up 40% of the US population. How can anyone believe that the conservative right actually WANTED the most liberal Republican in the fold to be our nominee? It beggars belief.

Trickery and deception was the only way to get Romney across the finish line first.

410 posted on 07/04/2012 11:44:57 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Lakeshark
And then you'll piss and moan and blame it on anyone but yourself.

Rather than type this crap, ya ought to just cut and paste from threads from the Bush days.

It's all the same, as the country became incrementally worse and worse. It's the same exact thing, all over again.

Same channel, same political babble.

411 posted on 07/04/2012 11:45:59 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lakeshark

And now you are a flat out liar. Post histories are a bitch..

Show me one question I dodged. And barraging me with questions of your own AFTER refusing to answer mine is a pathetic way to score a game Lake. But we established how far you’ve fallen already.

Any time you feel froggy, have an unbiased party hit us with a series of honest questions and I will be happy to end your fantasy.


412 posted on 07/04/2012 11:54:19 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart; bramps
You wouldn't answer the simple question of Bramps for two days, and then you simply huffed around it like some kind of kid in your parents basement.

You wouldn't touch my question asked weeks ago if you thought Bambi was the worst president ever.

Sorry Norm.

Fail.

413 posted on 07/04/2012 11:57:49 AM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Windflier; Norm Lenhart
Inexplicably?

The man was out of money and had no chance. That's not so inexplicable. Neither was Cain, neither was Perry, nor was Newt when they all dropped out one by one. None of them was a very good candidate and they split the conservative vote big time. Did all of them run in order to set up Romney?

Hey can you set Norm straight and remind him that I actually didn't believe that Palin was for sure going to run.

He needs help with his memory.

414 posted on 07/04/2012 12:02:04 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

orry Lake by his own admission above he skipped mine going back to June 17.

Fail. Try HARDER Lake...HARDER... Remember the PDS wars? I think you do. And just remember how many PDSers did exactly what you are doing right now. Where are they Lake? You remember their repeated failuers in trying your current tactics on me?

You should. You were there. They failed miserably. I spun several out do bad they self zotted. Not because I’m good at it lake. But because I have the truth on my side. The facts. And the history of your liberal hero to work with.

And you can’t deal with it.


415 posted on 07/04/2012 12:03:23 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Lakeshark

“You wouldn’t touch my question asked weeks ago if you thought Bambi was the worst president ever.”

Of course he’s the worst president ever/so far.. Now what exactly was the contest i this supposed question you asked. Gimmie the post.


416 posted on 07/04/2012 12:08:31 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Edit “CONTEXT”


417 posted on 07/04/2012 12:10:01 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart; bramps
He admitted not seeing it, which is pretty believable.

You used that to not answer his very good question. You dodged, and it was an excellent question.

I do remember the PDS wars. Very clearly. WE fought them together.

Just what are my current tactics that are the same? I don't seem to remember them (PDSers) having as much fun as I am now........or had.......

And trust me Norm, he ain't my liberal hero........you can say that till the cows come home, won't make it true.

418 posted on 07/04/2012 12:10:47 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Norm Lenhart
You finally admitted it....but you did dodge it along with all the other ABR's (the FR50) until now.

Norm, a bit of advice, have more fun with this stuff........

I liked the contest far better than the context, it made more sense.

:-)

419 posted on 07/04/2012 12:13:36 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: 1035rep

You’re welcome!

I know I’m not perfect, but it was the best choice I ever made. Tell every young person you meet, that serving their country is one of the best choices in life they can make. 100X better than immediately going to college, which with the GI bill, get’s paid for, so when they decide to someday get a degree, it’s paid for, and they’re not saddled for life with student loans.

Some pay the ultimate price and never get to retire, go to college, or die as an old man. Well that is one of the reasons we can celebrate today, and there is great honor in that.


420 posted on 07/04/2012 12:23:45 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Who? Vote for WHO?)
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To: Lakeshark

Then why are you voting for a man you disagree strongly with Lake?

Yes WE fought the PDS wars together and it was fun. But now you use their diversion, their flat out lies and the rest. I mean seriously lake, you tried saying the GOP didn’t rig this for Romney when any fool saw the articles where they denied backing to the “ABR” candidates. There were a few threads here and there on FR on that very thing.

Those two things don’t square pal’o mine.

So show me the links to the posts where I supposedly ‘ducked your question. And then list the links for the posts giving them context...if any. And could it be that as with this thread, I wouldn’t answer intentionally until you addressed mine? Most likely - if at all.


421 posted on 07/04/2012 12:37:53 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

You are wasting your time.

First, RomneyBOTs do not answer but DEMAND and EVADE.

Second, they will NEVER admit they support
death panels, lying, backstabbing, covering up fraud,
incompetent governing, inappropriate executive authority,
romneycare/obamacare, TARP, .....

But they do.


422 posted on 07/04/2012 12:42:11 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: rogue yam

Yam, you’re going to get SO brown sugared, buttered, cashewed, cinammoned, marshmallowed, and baked.


423 posted on 07/04/2012 12:49:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Diogenesis

Oh I know he and the rest will never admit their mistake. But There are a lot of people reading these threads who see them twisting like Chubby Checker on Bandstand. Those are the people that matter.

And the fan club does not want a rational argument for voting conservative made or allowed to be seen. So they attack those of us making them, never once realizing they slit their own throats doing it.

And besides, I enjoy arguing with people who can’t possibly win ;)


424 posted on 07/04/2012 12:49:47 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Diogenesis
Second, they will NEVER admit they support death panels, lying, backstabbing, covering up fraud, incompetent governing, inappropriate executive authority, romneycare/obamacare, TARP, .....

You mean Barack Obama? (Duck'n & runn'n)

425 posted on 07/04/2012 12:54:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: FourtySeven; All
Very important from Mark Levin about Romney v 0bama

Mark Levin, listen at the 1hr 30min mark to 1hr 43min mark

God Bless Mark Levin. I feel his frustration.
426 posted on 07/04/2012 12:56:07 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The bitch is we get them either way. Which hella sucks.


427 posted on 07/04/2012 1:05:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
See tagline: Because the alternative is unthinkable.

You don't leave the most vile, divisive, Marxist, pro-death, anti-American, pro-muzzie, anti-free enterprise administration in office just to satisfy some urge to be "pure". HKCjr. won't allow this country to exist in four years, and yes, his record shows that.

Of course the GOPE wanted Romney, I even said that, your reading comprehension is going south sir. I did say that wasn't the main reason he won. You can go back and see why I said he won, that might be helpful if you actually read it, I said it in two different posts, and it's true, just go back and read it and think instead of emoting.

Enjoy the Fourth, I am headed to the lake I happen to be the shark of.......:-).......and then to go to a huge community picnic (hey, you can say I'm a communist now....heh) with awesome fireworks and some adult beverages.

Keep on working for Bambi Norm, I'm certain he'll turn for the better after you reelect him........smart plan......

:-)

428 posted on 07/04/2012 1:07:51 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt, the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: Lakeshark

Not worth reposting your drivel. People can read it for themselves a few posts back.

Keem stomping them footsies Lake. Do it in a rhythmic pattern and call it a dance ;)


429 posted on 07/04/2012 1:16:53 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Lakeshark

Well, here it is the Fourth of July of 2012. We have perhaps the biggest election in our lives coming up in 100 days. We have probably 90 days to convince enough people to vote NO on Obama.

I don’t think we’re going to convince anyone here who doesn’t see the terrible threat we do.

My advice: Give up here, and apply yourself in the real world! You’ll make a much larger difference there. The primaries are over. Find your local Republican committee, join up; man phones; go door-to-door; put out signs; talk to people about how hard their taxes are going to go up under ObamaTAX.


430 posted on 07/04/2012 1:27:38 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Who? Vote for WHO?)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Good idea. Join Rogue Yam. He apparently just spazed out and sent a nastygram to JR via True Blue Liberty. There’s a Quix opus post on the front page now.

Go somewhere where people WANT to be bathed in the healing waters of liberalism. And spread the word.

This place can be just for us nutcases that bitterly cling to our principles. Our refuge from your kind. ;)


431 posted on 07/04/2012 1:43:27 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

No Norm. I am not leaving. This is my home as much as yours.

God sakes, do I have to agree with you on EVERYTHING?


432 posted on 07/04/2012 2:15:31 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Who? Vote for WHO?)
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To: Lakeshark; Norm Lenhart
Inexplicably? The man was out of money and had no chance. That's not so inexplicable.

That's not how I remember it. Santorum's campaign was on fire, and he was running neck and neck with Romney when he suddenly dropped out of the race.

But not before he'd sucked enough votes away from Newt to guarantee his campaign's demise.

He could have held on. He was getting the votes, and could have even passed Romney, had he stayed in it. That was never the plan, though. I'm convinced that the decrepit GOPe manipulated the whole process from start to finish, including doing everything in their power to discourage Palin from running.

Hey can you set Norm straight and remind him that I actually didn't believe that Palin was for sure going to run.

My memory ain't that sharp, Lake. I just remember that we were all staunch Palin supporters on FR. Perhaps you never voiced firm conviction that she'd run. I just don't recall. Sorry.

433 posted on 07/04/2012 2:24:19 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Only if you want to be right ;)


434 posted on 07/04/2012 2:24:19 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

OK, ha ha!

I do see the folly in trying to debate Romney with fellow FReepers. No one is going to change the other person’s mind.

Can we agree that Obama has to go? That the democrats lose in every election they face come November? If so, and I do think that you want that, I’m happy.


435 posted on 07/04/2012 2:41:49 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Who? Vote for WHO?)
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To: Alas Babylon!

I am 100% with you there. Obama has to go.


436 posted on 07/04/2012 3:00:07 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: rogue yam
It will be 100% derangement and lies from him, now till November.

Sweet Potato you are deluded. Give it up.

437 posted on 07/04/2012 4:46:45 PM PDT by itsahoot (The Political Elites are the modern Royals, and the king shall have his due.)
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To: dragnet2

“Romney does have a more conservative agenda than Bush had in 2000.”
“Romney is now more conservative than Bush?”
On fiscal, budget, tax and spend matters, yes he is. He is also more conservative / restrictionist on immigration. ON social issues, Romney’s a total squish but he’s walking the prolife line, likes Scalia on the courts and is at least a decent family man himself.

But Romney doesnt walk with a Texas swagger and some people who confuse that for conservatism think less of Romney for it. Whatever.

“Bush was conservative? “
In ways yes, in some ways no.

What’s odd is how people who wouldnt bat an eye about voting for Bush are bent out of shape over the more conservative and smarter version aka Romney. That’s what you get with Romney, a smarter not-as-big-a-spender version of the squishy-semi-conservative-Bush brand for right of center politics.

After the Obama error, it will be a breath of fresh air.


438 posted on 07/04/2012 4:52:15 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA.)
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To: Norm Lenhart; bramps

“How can a conservative vote for Romney without abandoning his conservative beliefs?”

WF Buckley answered your question decades ago.
His rule - Vote for the most conservative viable candidate. Viable options (potential winners) are: Romney, Obama.

Thus, the correct conservative choice is Romney. This does the least harm / most good for conservatives.

You continue to advocate conservative principles before during and after the election, disagreeing with the President whenever he does a non-conservative thing, whether its Obama or Romney.

That’s how.


439 posted on 07/04/2012 4:58:28 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Thank you for your service.


440 posted on 07/04/2012 5:04:50 PM PDT by bramps (Newt was the one, but Romney will do.)
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To: WOSG

Wrong.

His logic only works with two relatively conservative candidates. We are not in that position.We have Far and Farther Left.

Voting either in is supporting the far or farther left and NOT conservative.


441 posted on 07/04/2012 5:09:12 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Been out for awhile and I'm sure that this is going nowhere. I'm sure an earlier freeper was correct in saying you're a good man. Hope you had a good fourth.
442 posted on 07/04/2012 5:10:11 PM PDT by bramps (Newt was the one, but Romney will do.)
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To: bramps

Same to you. Hope it was a good one for you as well.


443 posted on 07/04/2012 5:14:28 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Mitt “might” yield to political pressures. Obama won’t, come hell or high water.


444 posted on 07/04/2012 5:47:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I think the country is going to answer this in a way that will make the entirety of FR’s members’ votes moot. Larger America loathes Barack Obama and Barack gives larger America more reasons to loathe him by the week. On the other hand, most of larger America won’t see much of Mitt’s liberal side (Barack Obama sure won’t bring that out, and typically paints Mitt as one of those horrible right wing nuts), and will believe that the ever-waffling Mitt will walk his present talk.

Mitt will probably walk away with 40 states or more when the November results come in.


445 posted on 07/04/2012 5:52:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Norm Lenhart
You explain to me how a conservative can vote for Romney without abandoning his conservative beliefs to do so and I vow right here and now to campaign HARD for Mitt Romney on FR and everywhere else.
This is an open invitation to you, Levin, Laura any freeper and anyone else on the planet.

Challenge accepted.
First we need definitions:
Conservative

  1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
  2. cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.
  3. traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.
  4. (often initial capital letter) of or pertaining to the Conservative party.
  5. (initial capital letter) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Conservative Jews or Conservative Judaism.
So then, to be a conservative we want to keep things the same.
Obama               Romney
  |                    |
  |                    |
  |                    |
  |                    |
 Marxist             Fabian
 Socialist           Socialist
  \                    /
   \                  /
    \                /
     \              /
      \            /
       \          /
        IMPLEMENTS
         SOCIALISM
As we can see from the above flow-chart, the result of voting for Romney is the same as voting for Obama, therefore preserving the status quo, and therefore being fully in line with keeping things the way they are.

The above was meant as tongue-in-cheek sarcasm.

446 posted on 07/04/2012 5:55:21 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

If they are the same, why not at least forbid the current one from having a tenure longer than 4 years?

Fabian is, at least, softer and less resolved than Marxist. Mitt might yield to pushback on Fabian libertine schemes. Obama, sure as hell exists, won’t yield on his Marxism. He has to be dragged out screaming.


447 posted on 07/04/2012 5:59:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: OneWingedShark

Sarcastic or not, that’s by far the best effort I’ve seen yet ;)


448 posted on 07/04/2012 6:04:26 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If they are the same, why not at least forbid the current one from having a tenure longer than 4 years?

Good question, but the premise is flawed; Obama could seek re-election in 2016 if taken out of office. (highly unlikely, but possible.)

Fabian is, at least, softer and less resolved than Marxist. Mitt might yield to pushback on Fabian libertine schemes. Obama, sure as hell exists, won’t yield on his Marxism. He has to be dragged out screaming.

You know, I take the opposite stance; it is best to drag the country suddenly and drastically to the tyranny of socialism rather than slowly and comfortably; the frogs'll jump out then. (I don't want to become accustomed to evils, I want people stirred up enough to throw off even what evils they've become accustomed to.)

449 posted on 07/04/2012 6:07:11 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“If they are the same, why not at least forbid the current one from having a tenure longer than 4 years?”

In the spirit of debate, not that I advocate this...

When two things are equally bad, why change? It would be cost-effective to keep the current situation.


In reality, they are as bad, just in 2 different ways.Especially considering his long term effect on GO Ppolicy. I will give you this much. There is a possibility that MR would be better. But based on the only hard evidence we have of his real world/not rhetorical actions, that possibility is vanishingly small.

Thus my vote for a conservative.


450 posted on 07/04/2012 6:11:26 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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