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DOJ lawsuit: Physical test for police officers discriminates against women
Washington Examiner ^ | 7/3/12 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 07/03/2012 4:08:35 PM PDT by Nachum

The Corpus Christi, Tex. Police Department has found itself on the business end of a civil rights lawsuit after the Justice Department concluded that a physical ability test used when considering job applications discriminates against women. As a condition for employment, new applicants must pass a physical ability test (PAT) involving: pullups, a 300-meter run, a 1.5 mile run, and sit-ups. Only 19 percent of female applicants passed this test between 2005 and 2009, compared to 63 percent of men, the DOJ complaint records. The Justice Department says that the test discriminates

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I look forward to the day Eric Holder gets a little of what he is dishing out
1 posted on 07/03/2012 4:08:44 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 07/03/2012 4:11:20 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Sad part is, one day one of these “affirmative action” candidates is going to get killed because she couldn’t perform her job. And in the process she is going to get her partner killed also.

Then what happens?


3 posted on 07/03/2012 4:12:51 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: Nachum

political correctness kills almost as many people as stupidity. unfortunately stupidity doesn’t kill enough.


4 posted on 07/03/2012 4:13:38 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Worse than her getting killed, something body else,(ie her partner) may get killed because she can’t physically do the job.


5 posted on 07/03/2012 4:15:02 PM PDT by scbison
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To: SkyDancer

ping


6 posted on 07/03/2012 4:16:09 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Lawyers sue the PD and the City for wrongful death.


7 posted on 07/03/2012 4:16:40 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Nachum

Only for states that forbid you to protect yourself. Where I live in the US it would take a deputy forty-five minutes to get to our house, if he’s not busy elsewhere. As pappy sez: “We don’ need no steenkin’ cops”


8 posted on 07/03/2012 4:18:30 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: Nachum

Murders should get the DOJ to sue PD’s everywhere on their behalf.

Laws against murder discriminate against killers.


9 posted on 07/03/2012 4:20:25 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("The writing is on the wall - Unions are screwed. reformist2 10:04 PM #27")
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I believe this has been going on for years but usually with other plaintiffs. The military lowered their physical standards years ago to accommodate women. However there are consequences which can be fatal.
10 posted on 07/03/2012 4:22:01 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I believe this has been going on for years but usually with other plaintiffs. The military lowered their physical standards years ago to accommodate women. However there are consequences which can be fatal.
11 posted on 07/03/2012 4:22:01 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Nachum
girls don't need to be physically able to pass the test cause they carry a gun, right???
12 posted on 07/03/2012 4:25:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

To discriminate is good

in the old days everyone discriminated daily.

In the store you discriminate against rotten food, you discriminate against overpriced items.

In employment you discriminate and don’t hire the sloppy or dirty ones.

To discriminate is as old as time and is good and natural


13 posted on 07/03/2012 4:27:01 PM PDT by George from New England (Ecaped CT in 2006, moved to north of Siberia)
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To: Nachum

is there a test for crossdressers.


14 posted on 07/03/2012 4:27:24 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Nachum
Fine.

Let me have a chick that wants to arrest me for anything.

The trouble is, for every chick hired, 3 burly dudes need to be hired to back her up.

15 posted on 07/03/2012 4:28:02 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Nachum

Those gals would make it in the Rangers though.


16 posted on 07/03/2012 4:28:34 PM PDT by xone
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To: Nachum

Basketball discriminates against short people.
Track and Field discriminates against slow people.
Airlines don’t hire blind pilots.
Bomb squads don’t hire those with hand tremors.
Medical school requires you know chemistry.
Math requires a correct answer.

To the useless hunks of whining protoplasm I write, “Get over yourself you dumb hags.”


17 posted on 07/03/2012 4:28:34 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Nachum

Men must run 2000 yards in four minutes.Women should be able to get by with a 10 minute stroll of 200 yards.


18 posted on 07/03/2012 4:28:42 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: Chode

They have to be able to shoot a dog or a disabled vet without having the gun recoil into their faces. It’s just good sense.


19 posted on 07/03/2012 4:28:58 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: elpadre

Before I retired from the Air Force at the age of 44, I had to run 1.5 miles faster than an 18 year old girl to meet standards.

Would someone please explain this to me?


20 posted on 07/03/2012 4:29:32 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Nachum

Requiring Lawyers to pass the Bar discriminates against idiots.................wait! Forget I posted this.


21 posted on 07/03/2012 4:34:53 PM PDT by Starstruck
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To: Nachum

Can the ladies pull a trigger and hit the target?


22 posted on 07/03/2012 4:36:49 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Nachum

Raise your hand if you want a 5’1”, 90 lb. female coming to your rescue in a volatile situation. I didn’t think so.


23 posted on 07/03/2012 4:37:07 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Nachum

How much strength does it really take to shoot a dog?! (snork, snork!)


24 posted on 07/03/2012 4:37:20 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Time to dig up an old time favorite.. A MUST SEE! LOL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aSJgcpqePk/a

26 posted on 07/03/2012 4:40:07 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: EQAndyBuzz
"one day one of these “affirmative action” candidates is going to get killed"

Scary, alarmist talk. Male criminals (who, of course, vote Democrat) will only go up against male police officers and female criminals will occupy the female officers. Case closed.

27 posted on 07/03/2012 4:40:17 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Nachum
As a condition for employment, new applicants must pass a physical ability test (PAT) involving: pullups, a 300-meter run, a 1.5 mile run, and sit-ups. Only 19 percent of female applicants passed this test between 2005 and 2009, compared to 63 percent of men...

Any questions?.....The word discriminate has been raped by the left.

Look, if you can't do what the job requires, you don't get the job...in any government or private sector.

Is this sooo hard to understand?

Let's qualify 105lb women to be firefighters, cops and Marines....what do you say???

FMCDH(BITS)

28 posted on 07/03/2012 4:40:26 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Nachum

This is good video of why women should not be in combat and are not capable of combat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy—whDNNKk


29 posted on 07/03/2012 4:42:25 PM PDT by pterional
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I might agree if they were required to pass a physical ability test more than one time.
There are so many older, fat, and out of shape cops. I doubt some of them could even run a block. I am sure most woman that are in shape could outperform them.
I don't see them as being anymore of a hindrance than some out of shape man.

However, physical strength may be a different story.

30 posted on 07/03/2012 4:46:47 PM PDT by kara37
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To: EQAndyBuzz; scbison

” And in the process she is going to get her partner killed also.”

You have to learn to think like a liberal to understand that this is the part that makes it fair. Obama probably would give it a fancy name like “Critical Gender Theory”


31 posted on 07/03/2012 4:46:47 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Gay State Conservative
Women should be able to get by with a 10 minute stroll of 200 yards.

Unless purses or shoes are on a sale on the way, then they'll never make the end line...

I'm gonna get it, ain't I?

32 posted on 07/03/2012 4:47:32 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Guns Walked -- People Died -- Holder Lied -- Obama Golfed (thanks, Secret Agent Man))
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Here is another video of why a weak female police officer is of little help and is actually detrimental in a physical conflict.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3JiilljhOQ&feature=related


33 posted on 07/03/2012 4:50:43 PM PDT by pterional
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To: Nachum

Oh for goodness sakes!!! Enough of this bleep already! If a girl can’t do a mans job, then she can’t do it, period, end of story.

He made men and women different. Those differences compliment each other. I sure as heck would NOT want some 115lb 5’3 woman fire fighter coming to “rescue” me from a burning building.

There are standardized tests for a reason. If you can’t pass it, then you FAIL and cannot move on. This goes for men as well.

Deal with it. I sure as heck could not, nor would not want to do such a thing. As a girl, if I really wanted to, I’d go for it.

If I failed (which I know I would), so be it. There are SO many other opportunities out there.

Why on earth do girls want to be guys anyway?


34 posted on 07/03/2012 4:51:20 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Nachum

When they started to recruit women into the Charleston, WV police force, the add read “Amazon and butch women encouraged to apply”.


35 posted on 07/03/2012 4:52:07 PM PDT by LetsRok
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To: Nachum

When they started to recruit women into the Charleston, WV police force, the ad read “Amazon and butch women encouraged to apply”.


36 posted on 07/03/2012 4:52:20 PM PDT by LetsRok
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To: Nachum

Also discriminates against paraplegics and quadriplegics.


37 posted on 07/03/2012 4:55:48 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
pretty much...
38 posted on 07/03/2012 4:57:30 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Nachum

This does not sound like a difficult physical fitness test for someone epected to defend their own lives and those of others. I’m surprised so many men failed it. Do they not know what this test constists of before they take it? Most likely they had plenty of time to get in shape.

Sounds to me like perhaps those taking it are simply a bit too lazy to do what it takes to get into peak physical condition. It does take a some work if you are not used to it.


39 posted on 07/03/2012 4:59:34 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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Can the ladies pull a trigger and hit the target?

Oh sure...When it's time to carry the 250 pound bloated woman out of the house fire, or hostage situation, the lady cops can just shoot the cow.

Where's the beef?

40 posted on 07/03/2012 5:06:38 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: formosa
I looked up the test standards. Laughable. If you can't pass this test, you aren't physically capable of watching TV.

22 pushups (not pull ups, as indicated in the article)
25 situps in 1 minute
300-meter run in 66 seconds
1.5-mile run in 15:37

41 posted on 07/03/2012 5:09:21 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Nachum

The military had the same problem, and first tried to deal with it by lowering standards, which was a mess and reduced military readiness.

So they came up with a better way of doing business: delay new recruits for some months, while offering them the equivalent of a “physical prep school” to achieve physical standards. This works in several ways.

To start with, there are recruits who are just unmotivated and/or in bad physical condition. Even with a few months of lead time they either can’t, or won’t, physically improve themselves enough to pass standards. And this can cover the gamut to include abnormal weight, lack of strength and stamina, and health problems.

But there are many recruits of both sexes who are physically fit enough to pass but not to do well, and this prep time strongly raises the standards of recruits.

If they wash out of this very relaxed training, they would have never made it through real training. But the emphasis is not to wash them out, but to get them up to standards.

Importantly, training is not co-ed, so female recruits have female trainers who can perform to standards, plus they have far less sympathy for female recruits who slack off and make the other females look bad.

This prep training is also individual oriented, because new recruits have such different needs in getting prepared. A recruit who is physically a mess at the start but is almost up to standards because they are very motivated will be a better performer than one who just passes but makes no effort to do any more than just pass.


42 posted on 07/03/2012 5:09:27 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: formosa
Sounds to me like perhaps those taking it are simply a bit too lazy to do what it takes to get into peak physical condition.

Oh yeah!


43 posted on 07/03/2012 5:19:16 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nachum
Mother Nature is unfair! Mother Nature is Racist! Mother Nature is Anti-Woman!

Let's lynch Mother Nature!

44 posted on 07/03/2012 5:26:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Recruits (police, military, whatever) who are coddled and babied at the outset to get them up to minimal training input standards, will be the first to quit when it gets tough in real life on the job.

Opinion of a former Navy frogman.


45 posted on 07/03/2012 5:29:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Nachum

This is my hometown. I once tried to join the CCPD. I had just come off Active Duty Air Force. I passed all the test and made it all the way to the phsyc eval. I found out that the phsycologist do not have a sense of humor. Do not say “Kill them all and let God sort the out”. This will kill an interview real quick.


46 posted on 07/03/2012 5:29:51 PM PDT by AirForce-TechSgt ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Travis McGee
Hey if they want women then the tests should be fair.My sister was one of 13 who tried to take the Lieutenant's test for Police Officer but was locked out.My sister was the first woman to run on the Police department ticket.What did it get her nothing.I support these women.
47 posted on 07/03/2012 5:32:43 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Nachum

So what if it does? If the test measures the kind of normal physical/activity an officer could expect to do, chasing a suspect, etc, it is testing on ability to do physical requirements of the actual job.

It’s like saying computer programming discrimnates against women because math is hard.

And what percentage of women passing would it have to be to make it not discriminatory? They say nothing about that. Also they don’t care about any of the guys who couldn’t pass.


48 posted on 07/03/2012 5:34:07 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Women cops could potentially escalate and kill more people as being female, smaller and weaker, in general, they’d be forced to rely more on a firearm than male cops.


49 posted on 07/03/2012 5:36:03 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Is this the gal officer firing at the guy already in cuffs on the ground?


50 posted on 07/03/2012 5:38:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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