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DOJ lawsuit: Physical test for police officers discriminates against women
Washington Examiner ^ | 7/3/12 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 07/03/2012 4:08:35 PM PDT by Nachum

The Corpus Christi, Tex. Police Department has found itself on the business end of a civil rights lawsuit after the Justice Department concluded that a physical ability test used when considering job applications discriminates against women. As a condition for employment, new applicants must pass a physical ability test (PAT) involving: pullups, a 300-meter run, a 1.5 mile run, and sit-ups. Only 19 percent of female applicants passed this test between 2005 and 2009, compared to 63 percent of men, the DOJ complaint records. The Justice Department says that the test discriminates

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KEYWORDS: doj; fitness; lawsuit; physical; physicalfitness; test
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Sad part is, one day one of these “affirmative action” candidates is going to get killed because she couldn’t perform her job. And in the process she is going to get her partner killed also.

Then what happens?

Nothing, probably.

51 posted on 07/03/2012 5:39:55 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: FoxInSocks

I’m almost 60 and in the process of losing 40 pounds; and I could meet those standards with two weeks of working out.


52 posted on 07/03/2012 5:45:51 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: NoGrayZone

Some are lesbian and want to be able to legally harass men.

Some are libs and think they can do any job a man can do,but better.

Some have something to prove.

Some want union bennies.

Some believe life is Charlie’s Angels / Heather Locklear in TJ Hooker.

Some really want to be cops and can actually do the job.


53 posted on 07/03/2012 5:46:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: NoLibZone

Not to mention the almost 40 percent of ment who couldn’t pass the test. Nobody cares when a guy can’t pass a test. If we treated all folks equally in this country, nobody’d care if women or fags or minorities couldn’t pass a test, either.


54 posted on 07/03/2012 5:48:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: FoxInSocks

I am not in great shape but I could easily pass this test. I/can do the push up and situps and sprint, and I can jog 6 miles an hour no problem.


55 posted on 07/03/2012 5:51:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: dragnet2

Saw that first gal stripping that turkey leg down and all I could think of is “nom nom nom nom”....


56 posted on 07/03/2012 5:54:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: dragnet2

Diversity is our strength...


57 posted on 07/03/2012 5:55:48 PM PDT by I am bigjohn
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To: Nachum

Curious. How many women versus men applied?


58 posted on 07/03/2012 5:56:08 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: FoxInSocks

My grandmother could pass that. Seriously, if you cannot pass that, please find some other way to protect and serve your community.

A dog could do better for protecting the public.


59 posted on 07/03/2012 5:58:25 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Secret Agent Man

She was holding the perp in check while the other cop cuffed. This is so the perp knows that if he tries an evasive maneuver, his goose is cooked. I guess she has a nervous twitch. Most cops carry Glocks which don’t have ‘hair triggers’ so she must’ve pulled hard.


60 posted on 07/03/2012 6:00:25 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Nachum

Of course it “discriminates”, you governmental morons! Isn’t that what a test and standards does...discriminate so you tell who is qualified and who is not?????? Sheesh! All these mentally incapicitated liberal morons need to be placed in solitary confinement. Devil’s Island comes to mind. Their total lunacy is destroying logic and reasoning.


61 posted on 07/03/2012 6:04:59 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Sad part is, one day one of these “affirmative action” candidates is going to get killed because she couldn’t perform her job. And in the process she is going to get her partner killed also.

The city will be sued for allowing an incapable officer in the field. A wrongful death suit because she was incapable of handling a situation requiring physical skills that she didn't possess. Another wrongful death suit by the family of her dead partner because she was incapable of protecting that partner. Possibly a lawsuit by the citizen who suffered harm at the hands of a criminal who possessed better physical skills than the law enforcement personnel sent to handle the case. The lawyers will eat this up.

62 posted on 07/03/2012 6:06:49 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

I just want fewer cops. So I don’t care. I will take care of myself. I don’t need no gubment cheese swilling union thugs in my day.


63 posted on 07/03/2012 6:09:30 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Well.....that depends. My mom is about that size. I wouldn’t want to up to no good, and anywhere near her. Especially if she was armed. :-)

But your point is well taken. There will always be exceptions to any rule.


64 posted on 07/03/2012 6:09:53 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Nachum
I look forward to the day Eric Holder gets a little of what he is dishing out

Hey, Mr Holder! How about you and your boss lead by example? Make all members of your protective details women. Surely they can do the job of protecting you just as well as men can?

65 posted on 07/03/2012 6:13:19 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Sad part is, one day one of these “affirmative action” candidates is going to get killed because she couldn’t perform her job. And in the process she is going to get her partner killed also.

I wholeheartedly agree. And so does my daughter.

Ironically, of all places, she went through a battery of physical and written tests to get with SFPD that were tough.. No slack for the women there. My daughter is not some broad shouldered masculine type. She is however tough as nails and smarter than damn near everyone I've ever known, with spooky reflexes. Anyway, as I said, you wouldn't figure SFPD to be so tough on women candidates, but they were. And I can only say that in her case, compared to most men as the alternative, I'd have wanted her in a crisis situation.

Obviously she is a rare case. And she is front and shoulders with the notion that the physical demands of a job apply regardless of one's sex. Carry the weight or hit the road.

She didn't stay with SFPD for several reasons (the political insanity for one). But I am still somewhat surprised that a commie town like SF would have such high standards for police candidates. Considered some of the most stringent in the country. Who would have thought?

66 posted on 07/03/2012 6:20:48 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Playing Devil’s Advocate:

Male officers:
Some are bullies and want to push people around.
Some are libs and want to “help” people.
Some have something to prove.
Some want union bennies.
Some believe they are TJ Hooker/Swat guys/neo military bad butts.
Some really want to be cops and can actually do the job.


67 posted on 07/03/2012 6:23:03 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Travis McGee

That’s a good point, so it’s not how that program should be run.

The bottom line is to accept that the civilian world is not that big for physical fitness, and that lots of recruits who are intellectually and emotionally up for the job need some guided physical instruction.

But the emphasis is never on just making the minimum, but to get them so fit that even if they are having a bad day, they do a lot better than minimum.

Most instructors would be thrilled if all their recruits were significantly above minimum on day one, but that almost never happens. And the slowest and weakest slow everyone else down.

And yes, there are also a lot of physically fit recruits who cannot hack the intellectual or emotional part of the job as well. So if they are unlearned, classroom prep works as well.


68 posted on 07/03/2012 6:25:35 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Possibly, but there should be a concrete separation between the “prep phase” and the “real training.” Including at least a week off, different classrooms, different training facilities, new trainng cadres, etc.

Troops (LE or military) who are coddled and hand-held into and through training, will be the first to fold up, collapse, and fall apart under great phyical or emotional stress.

That’s reality, as known by a 55-year-old former frogman.

Your mileage may vary, but my reality is my reality.


69 posted on 07/03/2012 6:31:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
stoopid cow is prolly their police commissioner by now...
70 posted on 07/03/2012 6:50:08 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: xone
"Those gals would make it in the Rangers though."

You're kidding, right? Or you're extremely ignorant of the current physical requirements to complete Ranger school.

71 posted on 07/03/2012 7:25:41 PM PDT by BFM (CLINTON is and always will be a rapist. Never forget!)
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To: BFM
You missed this?

Women don’t Belong in Ranger School

As a Ranger you have to go there, epic stupidity.

72 posted on 07/03/2012 7:34:17 PM PDT by xone
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To: elkfersupper

like gun control, this is another advantage for crooks


73 posted on 07/03/2012 7:34:34 PM PDT by mriguy67
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
The Corps back in the 70’s had the Physical Conditioning Platoon. It was set up for any new boots who during the pre training test week that did not pass the PFT, would be sent there for 60 days of all day PT. And from day 1 it wasn't a let's ease into type program. It was full bore training everyday. And then they would send you off to a regular recruit platoon.
74 posted on 07/03/2012 7:40:26 PM PDT by JimC214
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To: AirForce-TechSgt

Do not say “Kill them all and let God sort the out”. This will kill an interview real quick.

Thanks! That’s good advice! (heh) Happy Fourth and thanks for your service!


75 posted on 07/03/2012 8:14:23 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Travis McGee

I quite agree. I imagine pre-training as pretty informal, but it is very serious in character. Yes, different cadre, but with the idea of boosting entry level quality.

From a trainers point of view, it’s a whole lot better for the whole course if the trainees arrive able to physically perform. It means that PT is focused on making what is good better, and keeping everyone at that level, so that when they have to do the classroom they aren’t drag-ass tired.

The opposite problem is perhaps worse, when they can cut the physical part, but not the classroom. You can train them to have more strength and endurance, but training them to be smarter is a whole ‘nother ball of wax.


76 posted on 07/03/2012 8:25:27 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Nachum

Why can’t women apply to do the ‘brainy’ cop jobs — investigators, detectives, administration at high levels like the Chief of Police, without going through the charade of trying to achieve elusive success as a street cop?

It make no sense to have them on the street, but there are TONS of jobs in policing women could be just as good at as men.

It make no sense that every cop has to start as a patrol officer. Why? Completely different skill set than detective.

The military doesn’t make every officer experience being a private. If you’re smart, you get a commission. You’re an officer and you didn’t have to “work your way up.”

Doctors don’t start emptying bedpans. It makes no sense.

There’s no reason for women to be street cops; but there’s reason that should be a bar to other types of police jobs.


77 posted on 07/03/2012 9:06:05 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Nachum
Yup. And the ‘wizards of smart’ judges and lawyers want to open RANGER training to Suzie Soldiers. I say OK, but only if Suzie can pass selection with NO waivers based on sex. If she can do it and compete head-to-head with the males, so be it. If she needs waivers to cheat to win, absolutely not. To do so fills body bags with our brave warriors.
78 posted on 07/03/2012 9:10:00 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: momtothree

Yes but DOJ doesn’t give two craps when guys can’t pass the test.

If you read what the test is, it is very very physically easy.


79 posted on 07/03/2012 10:02:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: momtothree

And I was answering the poster’s specific question, not trying to be a “devil’s advocate”.


80 posted on 07/03/2012 10:05:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I’m a 50 year old male in the Army.
My APFT standards are
Push-ups 25 in 2 min.
Sit-ups 30 in 2 min.
2 mile run 19min 30sec

I have a 22 year old female in my section we are both Medics
APTF standards for women 22-26 years old
Push-ups 17 in 2 min
Sit-ups 50 in 2 min
2 mile run 19min 36 sec

I think we have a 10 min break between events.


81 posted on 07/03/2012 10:29:00 PM PDT by Hotmetal (FReepin' from the sandbox.)
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To: Nachum

This is one the many reasons I tell young people to stay the hell away from police work. They have NO clue what they are getting into.

I didn’t, and I had two family members that were cops. They warned me, and it wasn’t even as bad then as it is now.


82 posted on 07/04/2012 6:54:53 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Blue Ink
The military doesn’t make every officer experience being a private.

No, but they should.

It might cut down on the percentage of dickhead officers.

83 posted on 07/05/2012 6:17:09 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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