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Guns blamed for starting wildfires in parched West
Associated Press ^ | 7/3/12 | BRIAN SKOLOFF and NICHOLAS K. GERANIOS | Associated Press

Posted on 07/03/2012 6:43:57 PM PDT by mdittmar

(AP) — Campfires, fireworks and even lit cigarettes can spark wildfires. In the tinder-dry West, there is growing concern about the threat from guns.

This year, officials believe target shooting or other firearms use sparked at least 21 wildfires in Utah and nearly a dozen in Idaho. Shooting is also believed to have caused fires in Arizona, Nevada and New Mexico.

Those concerns come as states grapple with ways to cut the risk of new fires ahead of the Fourth of July holiday when many people fire their guns to celebrate the nation's independence.

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1 posted on 07/03/2012 6:44:02 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

Global warming has guns! Who knew.


2 posted on 07/03/2012 6:47:47 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: mdittmar

Bull Obama.

Skanky, stinky bull Obama.


3 posted on 07/03/2012 6:49:27 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: mdittmar
Those concerns come as states grapple with ways to cut the risk of new fires ahead of the Fourth of July holiday when many people fire their guns to celebrate the nation's independence.

They need a guns for fireworks trade program to save the tree's.

4 posted on 07/03/2012 6:50:47 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: mdittmar
busted. THIS guy started it?
5 posted on 07/03/2012 6:52:54 PM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: mdittmar

I hear they cause itchy teeth, constipation and heartburn. They also interfere with The Won’s great plans for the USA....


6 posted on 07/03/2012 6:52:54 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: mdittmar

Our outdoor gun range is in the dry foothills and won’t allow steel core ammo on the rifle ranges.


7 posted on 07/03/2012 6:54:24 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: mdittmar
there is growing concern about the threat from gun...

AP ought to go out there into the 'wilderness' and shoot guns for a few days to see if they can get a spark... not that I'm implying they're suck-ups who buy into any liberal thought thrown at them.

8 posted on 07/03/2012 6:55:23 PM PDT by GOPJ (Way to go Kraft Foods. I now associate your brand with anal sex.(Oreo cookies) Freeper agere_contra)
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To: EGPWS

“...many people fire their guns to celebrate the nation’s independence...”
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I’ve never done that, and I don’t know anyone who has ever done that.
Am I missing out on something?


9 posted on 07/03/2012 6:56:03 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: mo

Interesting this meme comes just now, when F&F has
failed to work as intended.

They are desperate to disarm us.


10 posted on 07/03/2012 6:56:42 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: mdittmar
When they run out of excuses....blame the most conscientious wildlife protectors...the hunter.

Environmentalists are a deceitful and despicable lot, a danger to themselves and others.

11 posted on 07/03/2012 6:59:24 PM PDT by Robert Drobot (Fiat voluntas tua)
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To: tet68

What is next?
A turn in your gun to vote. program?
It could come to that.
Democrats, vicious in defeat, more vicious when they win.


12 posted on 07/03/2012 6:59:41 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: mdittmar

Sounds like the teenagers in Little Rock who were firing at a mason jar filled with gasoline with a .22.


13 posted on 07/03/2012 7:02:05 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: tet68
Beware: The treaty before the Senate...giving our Constitutional right to bear arms to the United Nothing to regulate private gun ownership in our country.
14 posted on 07/03/2012 7:04:18 PM PDT by Robert Drobot (Fiat voluntas tua)
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To: mdittmar

So is this why Janet went there?? Never let a Crisis slip by.


15 posted on 07/03/2012 7:06:00 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: tet68

If F&F had “succeeded” ...it would have explained The Won’s lack of preparation for the November contest...he hadn’t planned for there to be one!!!


16 posted on 07/03/2012 7:08:40 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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>> there is growing concern

Go to Hell.


17 posted on 07/03/2012 7:11:22 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: mdittmar

Has anybody tried to post comments to the yahoo article? Won’t let me.


18 posted on 07/03/2012 7:11:39 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: mdittmar

I have been target shooting for 50 years and have never seen any of my lead bullets cause a spark.


19 posted on 07/03/2012 7:11:49 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: mdittmar

But...but...but I thought it was President Bush who was going around starting all of the fires.


20 posted on 07/03/2012 7:12:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare is only the beginning. It's all downhill from here.)
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To: mdittmar
and their proof is??? feh...

21 posted on 07/03/2012 7:13:16 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Yet the headline will be in the newspapers tomorrow.


22 posted on 07/03/2012 7:17:40 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
like Mark Twain said, A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.
23 posted on 07/03/2012 7:21:10 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Da Coyote

Let’s see, cars and ATVs start wildfires with the heat of the exhaust system, which is why they are not allowed in a lot of dry grassy areas in CA for example. Smokers and errant cigarettes start fires.

There are a more smokers and drivers than people firing guns on any given day. Shazaam, careful, we can’t let common sense get in the way.

I could put out the fires with my urine before I could get a liberal to use logic and reason.

I had a series of email exchanges regarding liberal race baiting with an Dem uncle today. I quit. I can no longer deal with the mental illness of bigoted liberals (I know, bigoted liberal is redundant, it just bears repeating). I’m just going to remove him from my address book before I get nasty and my wife drops the hammer on me (he’s her uncle).


24 posted on 07/03/2012 7:24:05 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: mdittmar
In the gun world, you're responsible for the bullet you send downrange.

So, "officials", name names.

Who were these gun nuts who caused fires with their weapons?

Waiting.....waiting.....

25 posted on 07/03/2012 7:29:21 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: mdittmar

Heavy duty industrial grade stupid.


26 posted on 07/03/2012 7:33:40 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: mdittmar
Guns and fireworks are both icky.
They're both just dripping with "American-ness".
Fire danger is as good an excuse as any to mandate a ban on those dated, American traditions.
27 posted on 07/03/2012 7:35:25 PM PDT by Washi (Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse, one head-shot at a time.)
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To: mdittmar; doc1019; Da Coyote; umgud
Total AP Bullcrap.

Shooting at targets is extremely unlikely to cause fires.

This is a very old and worn-out saw of gun-grabbers. Back in the '60's a bunch of us (gun owners, ranchers, farmers in NM) decided to try to start a fire with rifles and handguns while shooting at targets. We used dry-as-a-bone fine prairie grass immediately behind the targets, placed on top of various kinds of rocks - purposely looking to create sparks.

After more than two hours of failing to start a grass fire, we finally turned to gasoline poured on top of the grass, and fired point-blank at the grass. Some 60 to 80 rounds later, we finally got a fire going.

Since many people nail their targets to trees, we also tried to set fire to chunks of pine trees that we brought to the trials. After firing hundreds of rounds at targets, we again had to resort to gasoline before we could get a fire going - and again had to fire at near point-blank to make it happen.

Not one of us denied that a spark could cause a fire under exactly the right conditions. But all of us agreed that exactly the right conditions are extremely rare, otherwise we would have seen far more fires in the Black Range than had occurred in our lifetimes.

In most Western states, the most common cause of fires has been lightening - a natural cause - not campfires, not guns, not human activity. Yes human activity has caused accidental fires, but not nearly in number compared to lightening. But, worse than that are forest fires deliberately set by human beings - that happening far more frequently in the recent 10-15 years.

28 posted on 07/03/2012 7:37:14 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Robert Drobot
"Environmentalists are a deceitful and despicable lot"

You got that right!

29 posted on 07/03/2012 7:38:51 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: mdittmar

nonsense. maybe tracer or APIT, but not conventional ammo.

this is a witch hunt


30 posted on 07/03/2012 7:39:31 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Robert Drobot
"Environmentalists are a deceitful and despicable lot"

You got that right!

31 posted on 07/03/2012 7:41:34 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: mdittmar

For YEARS people have been shooting in the desert, in the summer, and just now suddenly there is a rash of fires started by it?

I call bullshit.


32 posted on 07/03/2012 7:42:06 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
"firing at a mason jar filled with gasoline"

But, I'm guessing - they knew it would 'explode' - but it didn't - it just caused a fire. Am I right?

33 posted on 07/03/2012 7:43:54 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: mdittmar

http://www.examiner.com/article/al-qaeda-magazine-encourages-forest-fire-arson-the-us


34 posted on 07/03/2012 7:49:23 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: Ron C.

You’re presuming they thought about what would happen. I make no such assumption.


35 posted on 07/03/2012 8:01:08 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: mdittmar

they only make sparks in Hollywood!


36 posted on 07/03/2012 8:05:36 PM PDT by jrd (DO AWAY WITH THE EPA)
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To: mdittmar

Next thing you know, someone will blame the fires on Muslim terrorists.


37 posted on 07/03/2012 8:05:40 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Ron C.

In southern Arizona, almost all of the wildfires are human-caused, even though we have a lot of lightning. Either some idiot threw a cigarette butt, or the illegals left a smoldering campfire at one of their overnight stops. I’ve never heard of a fire caused by shooting in the 15 years I’ve lived here.


38 posted on 07/03/2012 8:14:32 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: doc1019

This is the vaguest, most incendiary blarney, so obviously aimed at dismantling the Second Amendment. “Never let a crisis go to waste.” Like those old scare reports, ‘an SUV ran over three pedestrians’ that Rush used to make fun of./ yawn// rolling eyes.


39 posted on 07/03/2012 8:15:33 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: Inyo-Mono

***I have been target shooting for 50 years and have never seen any of my lead bullets cause a spark.***

In the military we were using tracers and started a few fires but NONE with regular copper jacket lead.


40 posted on 07/03/2012 8:16:28 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: mdittmar
"Officials believe."

Well, it must be true, then.

</sarcasm>

41 posted on 07/03/2012 8:23:44 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Right with you.
But leaving dead wood and underbrush creates a situation where just about anything can start a forest fire.
And the environuts will not allow any clearing of dead wood, so as to cause a wildfire that they can then blame on what ever the cause du jour is.
Responsible tree farmers clear dead wood so that fires don’t start in the first place.
Environmental goofs and govt stooges have no clue about responsible forestry.

never let a crisis go to waste.


42 posted on 07/03/2012 8:24:24 PM PDT by Texas resident (November 6 - Vote Against obama)
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To: bboop

AMEN


43 posted on 07/03/2012 8:24:24 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
“...many people fire their guns to celebrate the nation’s independence...”
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I’ve never done that, and I don’t know anyone who has ever done that.
Am I missing out on something?

Mexicans do that. In Santa Ana, CA they shoot in the air in the direction of rival neighborhoods. Third World tribalism at its best.

44 posted on 07/03/2012 8:27:49 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I miss Harriet Miers.)
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To: mdittmar

The usual AP lies. The big fires in Colorado were all started by lightening strikes into forests that are tinder-dry because we’re in the first year of a typical 11-year sun-spot-cycle drought.


45 posted on 07/03/2012 8:33:37 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: mdittmar

Guns cause forest fires in swing states. What an A-hole!


46 posted on 07/03/2012 8:42:15 PM PDT by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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To: Ron C.

I agree that a significant number of the fires started are arson. Have someone check out how many of the houses that burned were up for sale. That was a pretty common activity in Californicate back in the 70s when whole subdivisions were torched for the insurance money. Another aspect is the common criminal getting even with the government. Target shooting, I doubt it. One article alleged that two target shooters admitted that target shooting caused the fire ... I’m extremely doubtful ... sounds like trying to cover up a fire started through carelessness such as a campfire, cigarettes, etc.


47 posted on 07/03/2012 8:42:29 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
“...many people fire their guns to celebrate the nation’s independence...”

This is an urban phenomenon — NYC, Chicago, Los Angeles — and is an aberration. Responsible shooters do not do this. I think it was imported by Muslims from the Middle East who fire at the sky for no apparent reason other than to ward off demons, celebrate a birth of a goat or camel or human, or a bowel movement.

48 posted on 07/03/2012 8:55:07 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: MasterGunner01

What crap...try to start a fire by shooting. Yet another insipid attempt to give reasons why people shouldn’t have guns. These anti-2nd-Amendment pinheads won’t give up.


49 posted on 07/03/2012 9:41:19 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: MasterGunner01

What crap...try to start a fire by shooting. Yet another insipid attempt to give reasons why people shouldn’t have guns. These anti-2nd-Amendment pinheads won’t give up.


50 posted on 07/03/2012 9:41:19 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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