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Philly Deals: With Romney or Obama as president, health-care reforms are here to stay [BS]
Philly.com ^ | 7/4/12 | Joseph N. DiStefano

Posted on 07/04/2012 3:24:17 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Conservatives fought Social Security, Medicare and the weekend when they were proposed. But once enacted, Republican and Democratic Presidents embraced all three as they became part of American life.

We can expect President Obama's court-tested health-care reforms — which shift payment for uninsured people's health care from hospitals to taxpayers — will also go on, even if Republican Mitt Romney is elected President.

(Excerpt) Read more at mobile.philly.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; health
"Insurers don't like the new restrictions and consumer protections, so they will be working behind the scenes to get them stripped out by Congress," while funding Republicans who would ease coverage rules, says Wendell Potter, ex-spokesman for insurer Cigna Corp. and an industry critic.

"But rest assured, they will keep the individual mandate in place, despite what they say publicly," he added. To keep insurance costs from rising even faster, Republican leaders "know that the mandate is necessary."

1 posted on 07/04/2012 3:24:36 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

2 posted on 07/04/2012 3:25:33 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I think Joe the reporter misunderestimates the public opposition to Obamugabe’s Death Panels.


3 posted on 07/04/2012 3:37:04 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
We can expect President Obama's court-tested health-care reforms — which shift payment for uninsured people's health care from hospitals to taxpayers — will also go on, even if Republican Mitt Romney is elected President.

BOVINE EXCREMENT!

That is "SURRENDER MONKEY--or McConnell/Boner--SPEAK!"

It will ONLY "Go on" if our mealy-mouthed, linguini-spine, Establishment-Elitist, wuss, RINO, elected Reps "ALLOW IT" to go on.

It is up to us to (try) and get some REAL Conservatives elected to Congress, while tossing out as many of the phony, pretend Republi-Tards out and hold their feet to the fire.

IF after Mittens has vowed (repeatedly) that he will move to repeal Obamacare and he reneges, he would KNOW that, that would doom any chance he might have at serving another term, so provided we can take back the Senate and keep the House (AND LIGHT A MAJOR FIRE under their butts with demonstrations, threats--figurative, not literal-- ect,) we just might have a chance at rolling his back.

4 posted on 07/04/2012 3:41:53 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: SoFloFreeper

Are Wednesdays now “Beat On Romney Day” too?

I thought that was just Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.


5 posted on 07/04/2012 3:43:08 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Mr. RomneyCARE is a CHOSEN Loser and liar.

Mr. RomneyCARE will NEVER remove his signal achievement.

TEAM ROMNEY ===> ROMNEY DEATH PANELS for all.
TEAM ROMNEY ===> RSOCIALIZED-ROMNEY-MEDICINE for all.

Mr. RomneyCARE brings death.
And you RomneyBOTs LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 07/04/2012 3:49:09 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Iron Munro
Mr. RomneyCARE has brought death to Americans 7 days a week.

BEHOLD THE GOP’s CHAMPION = MR.ROMNEYCARE
IMPOSING THE GOP's SIGNATURE ACHIEVEMENT: DEATHPANELS.


"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party
 over to the traitors in the battle just ended.
We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged
 to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support.
Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates
wouldn't make any sense at all.""

--  President Ronald Reagan


BEHOLD THE GOP’s CHAMPION = MR.ROMNEYCARE

7 posted on 07/04/2012 3:51:05 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Yes, yes! I just can’t wait for Obamacare! Just like other efficient and successful government agencies like the Dept of Education or the Dept of Energy. Healthcare will cost less, or be absolutley free. You will have infinitely more access to doctors and hospitals, as well as more say-so about your own treatment. And best of all, it will reduce our national debt!


8 posted on 07/04/2012 3:51:28 AM PDT by ransacked
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To: SoFloFreeper

The difference between Medicare and Social Security on one hand, and ObamaCare on the other, is that the first two were passed and implemented at times when the Democrats had preponderant majorities and wide public support, and could stay in place long enough to become part of the political background landscape.

ObamaCare, on the other hand, was widely opposed by the public but was nevertheless foisted off onto us when the Democrats only had a precarious majority (which they then lost, in the House).

The author widely misreads the circumstances.

Nevertheless, he’s probably right about Romney not doing anything about ObamaCare. After yesterday’s story about the Romney campaign starting to walk back its efforts against socialised medicine, I’d imagine we ARE going to get stuck with it, regardless of who gets elected in November.


9 posted on 07/04/2012 3:58:18 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: Diogenesis
acartoon-romneycare-Bad-News-Mitt

OK, diogenesis, I'll see your cartoon and raise you these:

cartoon-obama-doctrine-515

ceo

Obama_and_MB_logo

roadtofascism1

obama-rip-constitution

comrade

puppetmasters

PS: Reminder of what your Dear Leader's message will be on January 20th 2013, for you and your Ilk who are trying to get him reelected:

thejokesonyou2

HAPPY 4th of July: Enjoy it while you still can!!!


10 posted on 07/04/2012 4:15:21 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
We cannot stand another four years of Obama/Romney IGNANCE.

It's not too late for Romney to step down, out of the race, give it up, and let somebody with ideas, with personality, with intelligence step up and run the race for election.

The guy has been tested and he doesn't have what is needed.

The nightmares should be setting in for his mind numbed robot like knee jerk supporters about now.

11 posted on 07/04/2012 4:17:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Diogenesis
"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party over to the traitors in the battle just ended. We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all."-- President Ronald Reagan

"A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.

An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves against those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." ...

Roman statesman and political theorist Marcus Tullius Cicero

BRITAIN G20 PALACE

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

12 posted on 07/04/2012 4:20:05 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
This is not a joke or game.

The Undocumented Tyrant is Tyrant ONLY BECAUSE of TEAM ROMNEY.

[Responsibility never matters to Team Romney, does it?]



FLASHBACK:

The McCain/Palin ticket was up ++4 to 10 pts
in some polls, days prior to Election 2008.
So rather than helping the GOP, Romney and
TeamROMNEY and the RNME (Republican National Media Establishment)
decided …to attack Gov. Palin to throw Election2008.

Romney, and the Van der Sloot RNME RINOs for Obama in 2008

Late in October, The American Spectator's The Prowler revealed:
"Former Mitt Romney presidential campaign staffers…
have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters, seeking to diminish her standing after the election.
'Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won't be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,'
says one former Romney aide…
'The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney.
"Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a 'diva' and was going off message intentionally."


The Palmetto Scoop reported: "One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was
the claim of a major internal strife between close McCain aides and the folks handling his running mate Sarah Palin."
"I’m told by very good sources that this was indeed the case and that a rift had developed, but it was between Palin’s people and the staffers brought on from the failed presidential campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney, not McCain aides."
"The sources said nearly 80 percent of Romney’s former staff was absorbed by McCain and these individuals were responsible for what amounts to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."
… aides loyal to Romney inside the McCain campaign, said The Scoop, reportedly saw
that Palin would be a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 or 2016, which made her a threat to another presidential quest by Romney.


"These staffers are now out trying to finish her off ….hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."


"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the “Diva” leak was Nicolle Wallace’s husband."


"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"


One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was

13 posted on 07/04/2012 4:24:17 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: muawiyah
It's not too late for Romney to step down, out of the race, give it up, and let somebody with ideas, with personality, with intelligence step up and run the race for election.

And if Mittens does not do (according to you) the "Honorable" thing and steps down....WHAT WILL YOU DO??

Will you follow diogenesis and his band of merry Hate Mittens/Mormons, Freeps hell bent on helping reelect the closest thing this country has ever experienced as being "PURE EVIL" and most DANGEROUS President in our existence who has shown (through words and deeds) his intent on Harming--if not DETROYING-- our Republic..based solely on so-called "PRINCIPLES?"

All it takes for .....

capt.photo_1245188299465-1-0 obama-rip-constitution

.....EVIL....

..... to triumph is for good men to do nothing.......!"

14 posted on 07/04/2012 4:26:34 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Declaration of Independence:
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, “

That is the crucial phrase that Americans should ponder this July Fourth. Just how much freedom have we lost by being lazy and willing to consent to the encroaching power of the central government on our lives?

Many good men died to preserve freedom, but in our generation we are giving it away. What a disgraceful legacy we will leave to the generations after us, who will be enslaved to the debts we have run up on their future.


15 posted on 07/04/2012 4:35:02 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
"which shift payment for uninsured people's health care from hospitals to taxpayers —"

As I explained in an email to this guy, the hospitals in every case gets their funding from either Insurance companies funded by premiums paid by TAX PAYERS and from the fed government who as most liberals seem not to know, has no money of it's own but only what it gets from TAX PAYERS. This is another example of how totally clueless is the Left in all matters fiscal.

16 posted on 07/04/2012 4:37:56 AM PDT by scram2
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To: SoFloFreeper

Probably right. It’s like choosing between the Riddler and the Joker. The costumes and makeup change, but Gotham is overrun with hoodlums. Business will still be shaken down and gambling will still go on in the backrooms and citizens will still cower.


17 posted on 07/04/2012 4:42:10 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted wagging its tail.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
First things first. In the long run we must make the Republican party uncomfortable for people unwilling to accept Conservative principles.

That may include some people who imagine they are Conservative but who otherwise follow Mitt and the Mittbots.

18 posted on 07/04/2012 4:43:22 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Diogenesis

McCain lost when the economy tanked very suddenly in mid September. At that time countless billions in equity were removed from the markets and credit, the life blood of an economies growth dried up.

To this day it is unclear just who or what was responsible for this event.


19 posted on 07/04/2012 4:44:19 AM PDT by scram2
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
BTW, your thesis that people who don't like Romney also don't like Mormons or Mormonism is exceedingly offensive.

Let's get this straight ~ your boy, Mitt, and his running dog lackeys are creating a situation where people will dislike Mormons and Mormonism because of HIM.

20 posted on 07/04/2012 4:47:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Diogenesis
To: Conservative Vermont Vet

This is not a joke or game. The Undocumented Tyrant is Tyrant ONLY BECAUSE of TEAM ROMNEY.

[Responsibility never matters to Team Romney, does it?]

AND NEITHER IS THIS....a "JOKE!"

BRITAIN G20 PALACE

And so he bowed, deeply and reverently; the leader of the strongest, greatest, most powerful nation on Earth, groveling before a tyrant and putative (or “puta”…same thing) leader of one of the most regressive, tyrannical, monarchies and No. 1 (financial) supporter and exporter of Islamic Jihad and Terror WORLDWIDE…..

Heretofore NO American President has ever prostrated themselves before any Foreign Leader; they always looked at them straight in the eyes, befitting leadership of the world’s most powerful, most magnanimous, and most freedom-loving nation. They never bowed!

A “miscalculation?” A momentary “lapse?” An “Over exuberance?”

ABSOLUTELY, NOT!

Remember how Dear Leader expelled from the White Hut the bust of Churchill soon after his Immaculate Ascension to his throne?

Remember how shoddily he treated our closest ally and it’s Prime Minister (Gordon Brown) on his first visit?

Remember the insult when presenting the Queen (Elizabeth II) with a “gift” of an iPod loaded with “his” speeches?

Insulting, demeaning, denigrating!

Ah, but NOT so—very different—with King Abdullah.

And WHY might that be, one could ask?

Permit me to hypothesize...based on EVIDENCE: BECAUSE Saudi Arabia is the “Cradle of Islam,” which thru it’s support of Islamic Supremacy and aspirations of World-Wide domination, to include the DESTRUCTION of the United States of America thru subversion and “Stealth Jihad,”…..

….is also Barack Hussein Obama, the Fascist, Neo-Commie’s FONDEST WISH…

….HE WAS IN FACT, BOWING TO A “SHARED DREAM!”

Much before humbling himself before this phony potentate, our Islamic- Defending/Supporting Dear Leader has signaled his intent on moving the US towards “Submission” (def: Islam) and “Appeasement.”

In Oct. 2007, in an PBS interview, he said this:

”Well I think if you’ve got a guy named Barack Hussein Obama,
that’s a pretty good contrast to George W. Bush…
If you believe that we’ve got to heal America
and we’ve got to repair our standing in the World,
then I think my supporters believe that I am the ‘MESSENGER’
who can deliver that message.”

Does anyone believe that the “great communicator” (when reading from a teleprompter) and schooled in Islam/Sharia at an early age, was no invoking—and evoking—images of Islam’s “Prophet” (pee-pee be upon him) and that remark was not fashioned for Islamic consumption?

That is not to say O’Bozzo is a Manchurian Candidate Muslim as there is no definitive proof thereof; what is does show that his NEOCOMMUNIST, schooled and later teacher, in the Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals, shares a similar insidious and zealous intent as do Radical Islamists to tear down our Constitution, destroy our Republic and replace it with some other form of “Utopia.”

I ask again diogenesis and all other Hate-Romney and Mormon Freeps (who delusionally keep trying to convince us that Mitt is 10 times more dangerous than B. Hussein is and that Mormonism is more of a threat than is Islam) to provide a (EVEN ONE) example of whereby Mittens has EVER said or done ANYTHING which can be construed as hateful toward the U.S. or showing an intent on Harming or Destroying our Republic?

Likewise, how’s about producing anything which shows any Mormon (or Mormon tenets) which advocates the FORCEFUL conversion of ALL people’s in the World and their working to supplant our Constitution with the “Book of Mormons” as our primary and controlling “authority?”

21 posted on 07/04/2012 4:47:48 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; muawiyah; SolidWood; Leisler; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; ...

You have one sick outlook, Conservative Vermont Vet.

First, According to YOU: Anyone NOT in favor of ROMNEY DEATH PANELs,
ROMNEY TAXES (called “fees”), and ROMNEYCARE/OBAMACARE
also “hates Mormons”.

You are so typical of Backstabber Romney and his
Legion of Backstabbers who target CONSERVATIVES,
especially their women and children.

Second, you put down FReepers, using such vicious lies,
and do not even ping them, demonstrating that you,
Conservative Vermont Vet, are absolutely positively
NOT a conservative, but just a simple proMyth-backstabber.


22 posted on 07/04/2012 4:55:24 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Michigan Governor Rick Snyder is all for it. (as well as windmills and high speed rail) On top of that the pathetic piece of crap vetoed a bill that would require us to verify (Check a box) that we’re an American citizen. That frees up all the resident aliens for voting. He also vetoed a bill requiring canvassers to be legal and trained.

What’s that they say about learning about a man by learning about his friends?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2902511/posts


23 posted on 07/04/2012 4:58:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: scram2

“To this day it is unclear just who or what was responsible for this event.”

I thought at the time it smelled like Soros, but he had to have help.


24 posted on 07/04/2012 5:03:10 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: SoFloFreeper

Why waste our time to vote at all?

If we don’t vote for Romney, Obama gets back in.

If we vote for Romney we get Romney, who so m,any in here say is just as bad.

There is only one solution and I will bet those here who hate Romney haven’t got the balls for it.

Take America back by force.

You Romney haters put up or shut up.
Arm yourselves and start the revolution or get out of the way.


25 posted on 07/04/2012 5:09:25 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

There is ONE solution.

Tell your Master, the author of RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE
to PULL OUT and save America.
We will honor him for being a MAN and saving America.


26 posted on 07/04/2012 5:12:49 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from
the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
- Joseph Goebbels

Acceptance of ObamaCare is a lie, but the media is attempting to make it true. If the American people seem to have accepted the death of American freedom, then they hope Romney (if he wins) or the republican Congress (if the usurper wins but we take the Senate) will not try to repeal ObamaCare. We simply have to be persistent, vocal, and honest. The one thing that stops liberalism is for ordinary people to tell the truth loudly and repeatedly, instead of backing down as we are told that “most” people disagree or that we are “denying reality”.


27 posted on 07/04/2012 5:15:38 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: SoFloFreeper

after the repeal of Obamacare there are some reforms needed, no question. The system we had was working but too expensive. Some fixing in order, but not a dismantling as Obamacare does.


28 posted on 07/04/2012 5:28:19 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Diogenesis

are you an Obama supporter?


29 posted on 07/04/2012 5:30:05 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre

30 posted on 07/04/2012 5:34:56 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

Do you really think Mitt Romney is going to pull out?

Man you are having a wet dream.

He has spent million of dollars , to get where he is, he could care less about your honoring him as a man.

He has a little rich boys dream of being President.
He has spent a lifetime working for it , and you think he will pull out because it’s the right thing to do.
Man-— some dream.

Lets suppose he did pull out.
Who do you think will jump in?
Who do you think has the prestige,popularity, press backing,
and is stupid enough to jump into this tank or poison acid?

If Romney drops out Obama wins, it’s that simple.
We don’t have to worry about that though because he won’t drop out.
He may do like McCain and work to ensure Obama whips him, but he won’t drop out.


31 posted on 07/04/2012 5:42:19 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: FReepers


Click the Pic


Support Free Republic

32 posted on 07/04/2012 5:44:08 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: Venturer
Sadly Romney is our horse in this race and he is a plug mule. He won enough blue state primaries destroying the conservatives in the race to get where he is today. He was only the primary choice of a very few here and if people with strong discontent vote for Romney here, it is clearly that they despise Obama more than Romney. So when Romney fail or falters or seems timid the knives will come out, because he is not Free Republic choice, he is the read headed step child we are having to accept because the other option is terrible.
33 posted on 07/04/2012 5:55:41 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (June 28, 2012, America Dependence Day)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Pure propaganda. Social Security and Medicare did not take away good benefits. Obamacare takes peoples good benefits and gives them crap.


34 posted on 07/04/2012 6:01:30 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: mkmensinger

No doubt it was coordinated. In any even tit sunk McCain because the media played it up for all it was worth as being due to greed and Corporations.


35 posted on 07/04/2012 6:01:38 AM PDT by scram2
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To: Diogenesis

BS
The economic fiasco was what beat McCain/Palin


36 posted on 07/04/2012 6:34:54 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: SoFloFreeper

0-care is unsustainable and over the long run, even if implemented to some degree. The price controls alone will result in ever increasing provider attrition. Some providers will go to cash only practices, and while others will migrate over to hospital systems as employees, where they will be less productive. Hospitals too will be starved of cash by low reimbursements which will lead to less care and longer waits. As patients find that they cannot receive timely and quality care, they will increasingly seek out private, self pay care. Prices and quality in the self pay, private sector may indeed be so good, that hospitals and insurance companies will seek to make separate contracts with these entities to boost efficiency and lower costs.


37 posted on 07/04/2012 6:36:36 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Sybeck1
He won enough blue state primaries destroying the conservatives in the race to get where he is today.

He had the $$$$ to saturate the TV Radio Papers and phones with smear ads against his opponents especially NEWT

They didn't have the $$$$ or time to rebut and the pundits on FOX news let Romney get away with it because they like Ann Coulter thought he could beat Obama
We are stuck with this no principled dreck
38 posted on 07/04/2012 6:40:35 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

WHAT WILL YOU DO??
***I notice what you did NOT do here, which is counter the claim of the article. Romney ain’t the man to take down socialized medicine because his program is the archetype of it. As far as I can tell, you’re the only Romney RINO Rump Ranger (RRRR) to show up on this thread. If y’all were truly convinced he was the right guy to take this on, this thread would have been inundated with you 4R rump rangers.


39 posted on 07/04/2012 6:40:50 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Venturer

Arm yourselves and start the revolution or get out of the way.
***Why are you even here, on a SOCON website trying to separate conservatives from their beliefs? You’re the one who needs to get the hell out of the way. Go and peddle your poop to some mushy middle-of-the-roaders who haven’t got principles. Follow Romney’s lead.


40 posted on 07/04/2012 6:44:34 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: grumpygresh
Hospitals too will be starved of cash by low reimbursements which will lead to less care and longer waits. As patients find that they cannot receive timely and quality care, they will increasingly seek out private, self pay care.

Yeah where if the hospitals and doctors become so screwed up

And self pay as long as you pay the mandate fine
41 posted on 07/04/2012 6:49:16 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob

“And self pay as long as you pay the mandate fine”

I really doubt that the mandate will stand in the long run. There will be a move for religious exemptions on par with what the Muslims and Amish who are already entitled to exempt under this law. There are also Christian based non insurance health sharing plans that may qualify for a mandate exemption. Even now, zero has violated this mandate principle through the precedent of granting exemptions to the insurance requirements for unions and other crony companies.

And then, there is good old fashioned civil disobedience. After being dumped out of heathcare by their employer, do you think that someone making 60-80k/year is going to buy the crap insurance or pay the fine if it means going w/o food, gas or their rental/mortgage payment? A lot of middle class people will be thrown into this dilemma after losing a job or suffering an economic setback especially because of the new recession caused by the 0-care law.


42 posted on 07/04/2012 7:44:43 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: grumpygresh

The first order of business for Congress should be to eliminate ALL exemptions and then see how much support Obamacare really has.


43 posted on 07/04/2012 7:48:54 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Kevmo

Ha ha I knew you were full of it.

All mouth no bottom.

It is you that is electing Obama for his second term Not Romney voters.

Like I said put up or shut up.

There ARE 4 CHOICES.

VOTE oBAMA BY VOTING FOR Anyone but Romney
Vote Romney
Or get in the way spewing your Romney hatred, and just running your mouth.

Or start your revolution.


44 posted on 07/04/2012 10:07:24 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Dude. Free Republic is not a republican website. If you endeavor separate conservatives from their principles, you are a librul.


45 posted on 07/05/2012 12:14:57 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet


46 posted on 07/05/2012 12:28:25 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Kevmo

I am not trying to separate you or anyone else from anything.

I merely extend my own opinion that we must get rid of Obama.

Now in order to do that we have to beat him at the polls.
We cannot beat him at the polls if you toss your vote in the trash on principle.

My principle is to make an effort to save America. If your principle is to keep what we have because you do not want to vote to beat him, you do what you like.

It is your vote to toss away any way you like.

If you do not like my opinion that is fine, but don’t tell me I have no right to it.Don’t call me a liberal because I don’t agree with you,about wanting to keep Obama in office because you hate Romney.


47 posted on 07/05/2012 4:36:04 AM PDT by Venturer
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