Skip to comments.Philly Deals: With Romney or Obama as president, health-care reforms are here to stay [BS]
Posted on 07/04/2012 3:24:17 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Conservatives fought Social Security, Medicare and the weekend when they were proposed. But once enacted, Republican and Democratic Presidents embraced all three as they became part of American life.
We can expect President Obama's court-tested health-care reforms which shift payment for uninsured people's health care from hospitals to taxpayers will also go on, even if Republican Mitt Romney is elected President.
(Excerpt) Read more at mobile.philly.com ...
"But rest assured, they will keep the individual mandate in place, despite what they say publicly," he added. To keep insurance costs from rising even faster, Republican leaders "know that the mandate is necessary."
I think Joe the reporter misunderestimates the public opposition to Obamugabe’s Death Panels.
That is "SURRENDER MONKEY--or McConnell/Boner--SPEAK!"
It will ONLY "Go on" if our mealy-mouthed, linguini-spine, Establishment-Elitist, wuss, RINO, elected Reps "ALLOW IT" to go on.
It is up to us to (try) and get some REAL Conservatives elected to Congress, while tossing out as many of the phony, pretend Republi-Tards out and hold their feet to the fire.
IF after Mittens has vowed (repeatedly) that he will move to repeal Obamacare and he reneges, he would KNOW that, that would doom any chance he might have at serving another term, so provided we can take back the Senate and keep the House (AND LIGHT A MAJOR FIRE under their butts with demonstrations, threats--figurative, not literal-- ect,) we just might have a chance at rolling his back.
Are Wednesdays now “Beat On Romney Day” too?
I thought that was just Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.
Mr. RomneyCARE is a CHOSEN Loser and liar.
Mr. RomneyCARE will NEVER remove his signal achievement.
TEAM ROMNEY ===> ROMNEY DEATH PANELS for all.
TEAM ROMNEY ===> RSOCIALIZED-ROMNEY-MEDICINE for all.
Mr. RomneyCARE brings death.
And you RomneyBOTs LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BEHOLD THE GOPs CHAMPION = MR.ROMNEYCARE
IMPOSING THE GOP's SIGNATURE ACHIEVEMENT: DEATHPANELS.
"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party
over to the traitors in the battle just ended.
We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged
to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support.
Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates
wouldn't make any sense at all.""
-- President Ronald Reagan
BEHOLD THE GOPs CHAMPION = MR.ROMNEYCARE
Yes, yes! I just can’t wait for Obamacare! Just like other efficient and successful government agencies like the Dept of Education or the Dept of Energy. Healthcare will cost less, or be absolutley free. You will have infinitely more access to doctors and hospitals, as well as more say-so about your own treatment. And best of all, it will reduce our national debt!
The difference between Medicare and Social Security on one hand, and ObamaCare on the other, is that the first two were passed and implemented at times when the Democrats had preponderant majorities and wide public support, and could stay in place long enough to become part of the political background landscape.
ObamaCare, on the other hand, was widely opposed by the public but was nevertheless foisted off onto us when the Democrats only had a precarious majority (which they then lost, in the House).
The author widely misreads the circumstances.
Nevertheless, he’s probably right about Romney not doing anything about ObamaCare. After yesterday’s story about the Romney campaign starting to walk back its efforts against socialised medicine, I’d imagine we ARE going to get stuck with it, regardless of who gets elected in November.
OK, diogenesis, I'll see your cartoon and raise you these:
PS: Reminder of what your Dear Leader's message will be on January 20th 2013, for you and your Ilk who are trying to get him reelected:
HAPPY 4th of July: Enjoy it while you still can!!!
It's not too late for Romney to step down, out of the race, give it up, and let somebody with ideas, with personality, with intelligence step up and run the race for election.
The guy has been tested and he doesn't have what is needed.
The nightmares should be setting in for his mind numbed robot like knee jerk supporters about now.
Roman statesman and political theorist Marcus Tullius Cicero
from page 261 of the paperback edition of The Audacity of Hope.
The Undocumented Tyrant is Tyrant ONLY BECAUSE of TEAM ROMNEY.
[Responsibility never matters to Team Romney, does it?]
The McCain/Palin ticket was up ++4 to 10 pts
in some polls, days prior to Election 2008.
So rather than helping the GOP, Romney and
TeamROMNEY and the RNME (Republican National Media Establishment)
decided to attack Gov. Palin to throw Election2008.
Romney, and the Van der Sloot RNME RINOs for Obama in 2008
Late in October, The American Spectator's The Prowler revealed:
"Former Mitt Romney presidential campaign staffers
have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters, seeking to diminish her standing after the election.
'Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won't be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,'
says one former Romney aide
'The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney.
"Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a 'diva' and was going off message intentionally."
The Palmetto Scoop reported: "One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was
the claim of a major internal strife between close McCain aides and the folks handling his running mate Sarah Palin."
"Im told by very good sources that this was indeed the case and that a rift had developed, but it was between Palins people and the staffers brought on from the failed presidential campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney, not McCain aides."
"The sources said nearly 80 percent of Romneys former staff was absorbed by McCain and these individuals were responsible for what amounts to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."
aides loyal to Romney inside the McCain campaign, said The Scoop, reportedly saw
that Palin would be a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 or 2016, which made her a threat to another presidential quest by Romney.
"These staffers are now out trying to finish her off .hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."
"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the Diva leak was Nicolle Wallaces husband."
One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was
And if Mittens does not do (according to you) the "Honorable" thing and steps down....WHAT WILL YOU DO??
Will you follow diogenesis and his band of merry Hate Mittens/Mormons, Freeps hell bent on helping reelect the closest thing this country has ever experienced as being "PURE EVIL" and most DANGEROUS President in our existence who has shown (through words and deeds) his intent on Harming--if not DETROYING-- our Republic..based solely on so-called "PRINCIPLES?"
All it takes for .....
..... to triumph is for good men to do nothing.......!"
The Declaration of Independence:
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, “
That is the crucial phrase that Americans should ponder this July Fourth. Just how much freedom have we lost by being lazy and willing to consent to the encroaching power of the central government on our lives?
Many good men died to preserve freedom, but in our generation we are giving it away. What a disgraceful legacy we will leave to the generations after us, who will be enslaved to the debts we have run up on their future.
As I explained in an email to this guy, the hospitals in every case gets their funding from either Insurance companies funded by premiums paid by TAX PAYERS and from the fed government who as most liberals seem not to know, has no money of it's own but only what it gets from TAX PAYERS. This is another example of how totally clueless is the Left in all matters fiscal.
Probably right. It’s like choosing between the Riddler and the Joker. The costumes and makeup change, but Gotham is overrun with hoodlums. Business will still be shaken down and gambling will still go on in the backrooms and citizens will still cower.
That may include some people who imagine they are Conservative but who otherwise follow Mitt and the Mittbots.
McCain lost when the economy tanked very suddenly in mid September. At that time countless billions in equity were removed from the markets and credit, the life blood of an economies growth dried up.
To this day it is unclear just who or what was responsible for this event.
Let's get this straight ~ your boy, Mitt, and his running dog lackeys are creating a situation where people will dislike Mormons and Mormonism because of HIM.
This is not a joke or game. The Undocumented Tyrant is Tyrant ONLY BECAUSE of TEAM ROMNEY.
[Responsibility never matters to Team Romney, does it?]
AND NEITHER IS THIS....a "JOKE!"
And so he bowed, deeply and reverently; the leader of the strongest, greatest, most powerful nation on Earth, groveling before a tyrant and putative (or puta same thing) leader of one of the most regressive, tyrannical, monarchies and No. 1 (financial) supporter and exporter of Islamic Jihad and Terror WORLDWIDE ..
Heretofore NO American President has ever prostrated themselves before any Foreign Leader; they always looked at them straight in the eyes, befitting leadership of the worlds most powerful, most magnanimous, and most freedom-loving nation. They never bowed!
A miscalculation? A momentary lapse? An Over exuberance?
Remember how Dear Leader expelled from the White Hut the bust of Churchill soon after his Immaculate Ascension to his throne?
Remember how shoddily he treated our closest ally and its Prime Minister (Gordon Brown) on his first visit?
Remember the insult when presenting the Queen (Elizabeth II) with a gift of an iPod loaded with his speeches?
Insulting, demeaning, denigrating!
Ah, but NOT sovery differentwith King Abdullah.
And WHY might that be, one could ask?
Permit me to hypothesize...based on EVIDENCE: BECAUSE Saudi Arabia is the Cradle of Islam, which thru its support of Islamic Supremacy and aspirations of World-Wide domination, to include the DESTRUCTION of the United States of America thru subversion and Stealth Jihad, ..
.is also Barack Hussein Obama, the Fascist, Neo-Commies FONDEST WISH
.HE WAS IN FACT, BOWING TO A SHARED DREAM!
Much before humbling himself before this phony potentate, our Islamic- Defending/Supporting Dear Leader has signaled his intent on moving the US towards Submission (def: Islam) and Appeasement.
In Oct. 2007, in an PBS interview, he said this:
Does anyone believe that the great communicator (when reading from a teleprompter) and schooled in Islam/Sharia at an early age, was no invokingand evokingimages of Islams Prophet (pee-pee be upon him) and that remark was not fashioned for Islamic consumption?
That is not to say OBozzo is a Manchurian Candidate Muslim as there is no definitive proof thereof; what is does show that his NEOCOMMUNIST, schooled and later teacher, in the Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals, shares a similar insidious and zealous intent as do Radical Islamists to tear down our Constitution, destroy our Republic and replace it with some other form of Utopia.
I ask again diogenesis and all other Hate-Romney and Mormon Freeps (who delusionally keep trying to convince us that Mitt is 10 times more dangerous than B. Hussein is and that Mormonism is more of a threat than is Islam) to provide a (EVEN ONE) example of whereby Mittens has EVER said or done ANYTHING which can be construed as hateful toward the U.S. or showing an intent on Harming or Destroying our Republic?
Likewise, hows about producing anything which shows any Mormon (or Mormon tenets) which advocates the FORCEFUL conversion of ALL peoples in the World and their working to supplant our Constitution with the Book of Mormons as our primary and controlling authority?
You have one sick outlook, Conservative Vermont Vet.
First, According to YOU: Anyone NOT in favor of ROMNEY DEATH PANELs,
ROMNEY TAXES (called “fees”), and ROMNEYCARE/OBAMACARE
also “hates Mormons”.
You are so typical of Backstabber Romney and his
Legion of Backstabbers who target CONSERVATIVES,
especially their women and children.
Second, you put down FReepers, using such vicious lies,
and do not even ping them, demonstrating that you,
Conservative Vermont Vet, are absolutely positively
NOT a conservative, but just a simple proMyth-backstabber.
Michigan Governor Rick Snyder is all for it. (as well as windmills and high speed rail) On top of that the pathetic piece of crap vetoed a bill that would require us to verify (Check a box) that we’re an American citizen. That frees up all the resident aliens for voting. He also vetoed a bill requiring canvassers to be legal and trained.
What’s that they say about learning about a man by learning about his friends?
“To this day it is unclear just who or what was responsible for this event.”
I thought at the time it smelled like Soros, but he had to have help.
Why waste our time to vote at all?
If we don’t vote for Romney, Obama gets back in.
If we vote for Romney we get Romney, who so m,any in here say is just as bad.
There is only one solution and I will bet those here who hate Romney haven’t got the balls for it.
Take America back by force.
You Romney haters put up or shut up.
Arm yourselves and start the revolution or get out of the way.
There is ONE solution.
Tell your Master, the author of RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE
to PULL OUT and save America.
We will honor him for being a MAN and saving America.
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from
the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
- Joseph Goebbels
Acceptance of ObamaCare is a lie, but the media is attempting to make it true. If the American people seem to have accepted the death of American freedom, then they hope Romney (if he wins) or the republican Congress (if the usurper wins but we take the Senate) will not try to repeal ObamaCare. We simply have to be persistent, vocal, and honest. The one thing that stops liberalism is for ordinary people to tell the truth loudly and repeatedly, instead of backing down as we are told that “most” people disagree or that we are “denying reality”.
after the repeal of Obamacare there are some reforms needed, no question. The system we had was working but too expensive. Some fixing in order, but not a dismantling as Obamacare does.
are you an Obama supporter?
Do you really think Mitt Romney is going to pull out?
Man you are having a wet dream.
He has spent million of dollars , to get where he is, he could care less about your honoring him as a man.
He has a little rich boys dream of being President.
He has spent a lifetime working for it , and you think he will pull out because it’s the right thing to do.
Man-— some dream.
Lets suppose he did pull out.
Who do you think will jump in?
Who do you think has the prestige,popularity, press backing,
and is stupid enough to jump into this tank or poison acid?
If Romney drops out Obama wins, it’s that simple.
We don’t have to worry about that though because he won’t drop out.
He may do like McCain and work to ensure Obama whips him, but he won’t drop out.
Pure propaganda. Social Security and Medicare did not take away good benefits. Obamacare takes peoples good benefits and gives them crap.
No doubt it was coordinated. In any even tit sunk McCain because the media played it up for all it was worth as being due to greed and Corporations.
The economic fiasco was what beat McCain/Palin
0-care is unsustainable and over the long run, even if implemented to some degree. The price controls alone will result in ever increasing provider attrition. Some providers will go to cash only practices, and while others will migrate over to hospital systems as employees, where they will be less productive. Hospitals too will be starved of cash by low reimbursements which will lead to less care and longer waits. As patients find that they cannot receive timely and quality care, they will increasingly seek out private, self pay care. Prices and quality in the self pay, private sector may indeed be so good, that hospitals and insurance companies will seek to make separate contracts with these entities to boost efficiency and lower costs.
WHAT WILL YOU DO??
***I notice what you did NOT do here, which is counter the claim of the article. Romney ain’t the man to take down socialized medicine because his program is the archetype of it. As far as I can tell, you’re the only Romney RINO Rump Ranger (RRRR) to show up on this thread. If y’all were truly convinced he was the right guy to take this on, this thread would have been inundated with you 4R rump rangers.
Arm yourselves and start the revolution or get out of the way.
***Why are you even here, on a SOCON website trying to separate conservatives from their beliefs? You’re the one who needs to get the hell out of the way. Go and peddle your poop to some mushy middle-of-the-roaders who haven’t got principles. Follow Romney’s lead.
“And self pay as long as you pay the mandate fine”
I really doubt that the mandate will stand in the long run. There will be a move for religious exemptions on par with what the Muslims and Amish who are already entitled to exempt under this law. There are also Christian based non insurance health sharing plans that may qualify for a mandate exemption. Even now, zero has violated this mandate principle through the precedent of granting exemptions to the insurance requirements for unions and other crony companies.
And then, there is good old fashioned civil disobedience. After being dumped out of heathcare by their employer, do you think that someone making 60-80k/year is going to buy the crap insurance or pay the fine if it means going w/o food, gas or their rental/mortgage payment? A lot of middle class people will be thrown into this dilemma after losing a job or suffering an economic setback especially because of the new recession caused by the 0-care law.
The first order of business for Congress should be to eliminate ALL exemptions and then see how much support Obamacare really has.
Ha ha I knew you were full of it.
All mouth no bottom.
It is you that is electing Obama for his second term Not Romney voters.
Like I said put up or shut up.
There ARE 4 CHOICES.
VOTE oBAMA BY VOTING FOR Anyone but Romney
Or get in the way spewing your Romney hatred, and just running your mouth.
Or start your revolution.
Dude. Free Republic is not a republican website. If you endeavor separate conservatives from their principles, you are a librul.
I am not trying to separate you or anyone else from anything.
I merely extend my own opinion that we must get rid of Obama.
Now in order to do that we have to beat him at the polls.
We cannot beat him at the polls if you toss your vote in the trash on principle.
My principle is to make an effort to save America. If your principle is to keep what we have because you do not want to vote to beat him, you do what you like.
It is your vote to toss away any way you like.
If you do not like my opinion that is fine, but don’t tell me I have no right to it.Don’t call me a liberal because I don’t agree with you,about wanting to keep Obama in office because you hate Romney.