Skip to comments.McChrystal: Time to bring back the draft
Posted on 07/05/2012 11:51:33 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
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I was at civil war reenactment thing in Charleston recently and one of the participants went through that very thing.
He was a marine artie along with a lot of his unit got to do foot patrols and the like.
The information by state is more useful than the region grouping. WA, OR, AK and HI are all overrepresented individually, then they are thrown in with low ratio CA to make an “underrepresented” Pacific region. Doesn’t make sense.
Leatherneck: “We got a saying in the Marines. The most dangerous thing in the world is a green officer in the dark with a book of matches.
Wet Suit: “Amen to that brother. Amen to that.”
Couldn’t agree more !
A free country doesn’t need a slave army.
VOLUNTARY US Army vet.
FIRST - Investigate whether one Baraq Hussein 0bama registered as required by law.
Your idea of national service (in the military) and our federal governments ideas are quite different. The military is letting people go, what do you think they would have all those extra people doing?
Giving politician and generals easy access to manpower makes war MORE probable.
Here’s the universal draft they have planned. 1 million get put in the military. 8 million get shipped to Federal make work and indoctrination camps.
“I think when you graduate from high school everyone should enter the military and spend at least two years.”
Military service is an honor not an endenture, if you don’t want to serve, I don’t want you to.
“I also thing that all officers should have to serve time as and enlisted person.”
Do you think that would make the military more fair?
And "they" were right when it came to taking down Afghanistan & Iraq. Of course when you end up occupying both countries for ten years, then you run into a real need for the infantry that you don't have.
“I don’t think the state has the right to take a couple year of your life absent a true national emergency. The idea that we all inherently owe something to the government is very distateful to me.”
First, thanks for your service and Semper Fi.
Second, I want to be clear that my feeling is that every citizen owes fealty and service (if required) to his NATION, not to his government. I see a distinct difference.
Better than what?
At the height of the daytime air war over Europe. American airmen deaths dwarfed Iwo Jimas entire USMC losses. They were staggering - sometimes thousands per month.
Why not eight? That way since they are stuck the malcontents among them might decide if they are in for eight they might as well do what the are supposed to do. Four or eight, we would have a big if not necessarily competent military with compulsory service, just like the ChiComs.
We’ll at least find out how many illegals are in the country by the sounds of the stampede south....
I appreciate every veteran and service members service to his country.
With that being said, I dont want to be forced to do ANYTHING. Even dying for your country, should be a choice. And I especially want my son to have the same Liberty.
The people don’t decide if to go to war, power brokers and politicians do. We don’t have elected reprentatives, we elected authorities that are controlled strictly by those with money and power. Don’t believe that? Then watch 25,000 of your fellow citizens write your congresscritter and ask for something...then watch a power broker hand him a $25,000 bribe, I mean, ‘campaign contribution’, at lunch to ignore your demands.
I see it not as war is discussed carefully because everyone has skin in the game during a draft but that if we are an all volunteer force then no one has to enlist when the power brokers demand it. That is the real throttle to war.
I have read many times on this forum, that our “all volunteer” force would never fire upon U.S. civilians, nor would they go door to door confiscating legally owned firearms. Do we feel the same level of confidence when the forces in question are conscripted?.
I for one, do not.
Do you mean some attachment to the land, like burial grounds of our ancestors, or to my fellow citizens, with whom I share a common culture, moral philosophy, and history?
My understanding is that this is true for blacks, but that Special Forces are heavily White Southerner and Hispanic.
2DV- have you ever been to the 7th Gp area? There are quite a few Hispanics assigned there.
Jeff- Ha-ha! There are a lot of Yankees in Special Forces, city-folk also. Blacks have generally not been attracted to SF for a variety of reasons. Mostly, they come from an inner-city background and do not like the idea of humping a ruck. There are those who do make it through training and into Group, but they are the exception.
I catch cold in drafty places.............
McChrystal is an a$$clown. He hampered our troops ability to close with and destroy the enemy in Afghanistan. It’s no wonder he was fired.
The Marines lost 6800 dead in 36 days, I am aware of the US losses during the air campaign in WWII, 30000 dead in 994 days of combat operations in Europe. The dead from Iwo were 2% of the total American dead from the war.
My “yeah” was meant as sarcasm. I too do not believe in the draft because, as history proves in most cases, wars are fought to expand the power of the world’s oligarchy and as a means of reducing the human population. The focuss of killing for peace should be against the oligarchs.
McChrystal is exactly right. Our all volunteer military has not and will not conclusively win any wars. It has nothing to do with the ability to fight and everything to do with the will.
There is currently far too much disconnect between the war fighters and the society they represent. The best we can hope for these days are trillion dollar, decade long stalemates.
Its easy to blame the leadership, but the problem is far deeper than them. It’s in our society. The cheap and easy answer we came up with was to divorce society from warfighting, and give a small number of troops higher pay and better training in exchange for not asking the rest of society to contribute anything to the wars we fight. It’s created a fantasy version of bloodless war for our civilians, and reduced our military operations to kabuki dance rituals.
The sooner we can re-introduce society at large to the reality of war, the sooner we might win another one (and likely, the less often we’ll go).
The Imperial Japanese Army positions on the island were heavily fortified, with a vast network of bunkers, hidden artillery, and 18 km (11 mi) of underground tunnels. The Americans were covered by extensive naval and air support, capable of delivering an enormous amount of firepower onto the Japanese positions. The battle was the first American attack on the Japanese Home Islands, and the Imperial soldiers defended their positions tenaciously. Iwo Jima was also the only U.S. Marine battle where the American overall casualties exceeded the Japanese, although Japanese combat deaths numbered 3 times that of Americans.
Of the 22,000 Japanese soldiers present at the beginning of the battle, only 216 were taken prisoner. The rest were killed or missing and assumed dead. Despite heavy fighting and casualties on both sides, Japanese defeat was assured from the start. The Americans possessed an overwhelming superiority in arms and numbers; this, coupled with the impossibility of Japanese retreat or reinforcement, ensured that there was no plausible scenario in which the U.S. could have lost the battle.
US casualties: 6,821 killed/missing; 19,217 wounded.
During this one-month-long battle, 27 U.S. military personnel were awarded the Medal of Honor for their actions, 13 of them posthumously. Of the 27 medals awarded for the actions at Iwo Jima, 22 were presented to Marines and five were presented to United States Navy sailors; this was 28% of the 82 Medals of Honor awarded to Marines in the entirety of World War II.
The latter - IMHO, the nation is made up of its citizens far more than its government, which should be the servant of the citizen (note the qualifier).
So I have some secular obligation to serve my fellow citizens?
Care to explain the basis of that obligation?
I don`t blame you one bit for feeling that way. I would never recommend the post-DADT military to anyone.
“I think when you graduate from high school everyone should enter the military and spend at least two years. I also thing that all officers should have to serve time as and enlisted person.”
I know a lot of kids who got their lives turned around by going into the service. I know that is not the purpose of the military, but I’m wondering if the wrong path the country is taking lately is not due to a populous that is dominated by people who have had it too easy for too long, who don’t know what sacrifices have been made for them. I don’t think that a nation that had shared the responsibility of military service would have elected Obama.
I bet there were a lot of “undependable draftees” who were hero's in WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam!
Actually you’re wrong. Blacks are under represented in combat arms. Hispanics are a bit over represented. As it has always been the evil white grunt is well represented in combat arms , KIA and WIA lists. But go ahead perpetuate myths if you must.
Vietnam shoots your thesis to hell and gone.
with that in mind I also think that no one should serve congress who has not served in the military
That's why Rangel always wanted the draft back. He wants more war protests. No thanks!
I generally don’t look at deeper obligations from a secular viewpoint. I think that being endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights creates concomitant obligations on the part of the society which enjoys them to protect and defend those rights.
I’m not perpetuating myths, Walsh. I apologized for my oversight after Kabar’s post. If you read the entirety of the thread, you would see that I reneged on my oversight.
I fell victim to the MSM propagating the myth that blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately overrepresented. I know better now.
Sorry for piling on. But it’s a sore point. Happy Independence Day belatedly.
Rights are naturally accompanied by obligations, otherwise taxes are enslaving too.
Now that the fags are going to have free reign in the military, I wouldn’t encourage anyone to volunteer.
Of course that was the point, the Left hates a volunteer military, they think of the military as the Mother of All Social Programs.
Tell me how many of the soldiers in Washington’s army were draftees.
What rights were you thinking of?
Gross, Robert A. The Minutemen and Their World. ©1976. Hill and Wang. LOC: 75-46595, p. 59
2.The citizens' ones.