Posted on 07/07/2012 3:01:18 AM PDT by iowamark
America's Roman Catholic bishops just completed the "Fortnight for Freedom," a two-week period intended to "support a great national campaign of teaching and witness for religious liberty." As evangelical and Catholic leaders have spent the past year opposing the Obama administration's so-called contraceptive mandate, the timing, motives, and agenda driving the "Fortnight for Freedom" have prompted widespread commentary. Rather than scrutinizing the Fortnight's agenda, Protestants could examine deeper questions than what took place on the surface.
It's important to consider the Fortnight's placement on the calendar—the significance of the Fortnight's dates, June 21 to July 4—to understand the nature of religious freedom and the relationship between what to some mixes like oil and water: the Christian tradition and American liberty.
It's worth considering whether the church fathers and the founding fathers enjoy a deeper conceptual affinity—precisely around the meaning and foundations of religious freedom—than many people (including perhaps the bishops) have noticed.
The Fortnight for Freedom began on June 21, marking the vigil of the feasts of Saint John Fisher and Saint Thomas More. Fisher and More were both executed because they refused to endorse Henry VIII's claimed supremacy over the English church. The vast majority of English nobles and bishops endorsed the supremacy, while Fisher and More stood virtually alone. Though urged to use mental reservation to endorse the succession while denying its legitimacy in their hearts, the men were convinced that they could not do so without violating their consciences and endangering their salvation. As More declared,
"I could not meet with the Works of any one Doctor, approved by the Church, that avouch a Layman was, or ever could be the Head of the Church."
Fisher was executed on June 22, 1535, and More was executed on July 6, 1535...
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Do you equate chasing some sheep and oxen out the temple with murder? I can hear Pilate washing his hands.
Particularly so when Jesus reproved Peter for cutting the ear of a slave off?
So is your flawed history and Biblical knowledge due to your JW heresy or is it from bad schooling?
Innocent III and VIII I believe.
Of course the role of Simon of Montfort is ignored by those slamming HH Pope Innocent III. The Jehoveh Witness heresy rewrites hisyory and Holy Writ to make their odd views palatable to their deluded adherents.
Aww poor little thing, you said violence, I refuted your false understanding of scripture with two clear examples of your error. You may do what you will, I will always point out lies, falsehoods and errors when I can. Get used to it.
Indeed. Thank you so much for the ping, dearest sister in Christ!
And all the Catholics that were killed at that time? Far outnumber your assumption in my opinion.
Two
Only in the real world Sal, in the JW alternate reality it is what they want it to be.
At what time and by whom?
You first. Sources please.
A good start would be The History of the Waldenses Vol. I& II. by Alexis Muston and The Israel of the Alps: A History of the Persecutions of the Waldeses by Alexis Muston and W. Hazlitt.
Add to this a number of histories.
“And all the Catholics that were killed at that time? Far outnumber your assumption in my opinion.”
Your turn.
A good start would be The History of the Waldenses Vol. I& II. by Alexis Muston and The Israel of the Alps: A History of the Persecutions of the Waldeses by Alexis Muston and W. Hazlitt.Right. A virulently anti-Catholic tract written to promote the heretical views of the authors. That isn't a scholarly citation, it is simply fiction - like Foxe, with a nasty anti-Catholic bias.
Of course! Everyone not genuflecting to Rome has “a nasty anti-Catholic bias.”
Nope. Many honest historians are not Catholic. That you choose extremely biased and obscure tomes such as that illustrates how narrow and limited the JW heresy is.
And since this is about AMERICA how about telling us how many JW’s signed the Declaration of Independence or served in the Revolutionary war? Can you?
“extremely biased and obscure tomes” ???
Yes, yes, we all know where that comes from so it that all?
And since this is about AMERICA how about telling us how many JW’s signed the Declaration of Independence or served in the Revolutionary war? Can you?
Count seems tongue tied on this on Sal, maybe you know how many JW’s signed the Declaration? Or fought in the Revolution?
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