Skip to comments.If BHO is reelected, Time for Texas to Secede (Vanity)
Posted on 07/07/2012 10:55:47 AM PDT by no dems
Being a native-born Texan, it is my understanding that Texas is the only State in the Union that can legally secede from the Union, because it was once a Republic on it's own. (The Republic of Texas.)
Now, someone help me out here: Is that a fact? If so, I'm calling on all Texas FReepers to join me in laying the groundwork to make it happen if Barack Obama is reelected. What do we need to do to start a Secession Movement, and where do we begin? If you're not a Texan, you don't understand the Texas mind-set. If BHO is reelected, I guarantee you that Texas would vote 60% - 40% FOR Secession. Even Governor Perry has talked about Texas seceding. LET'S FRIGGIN' DO IT!!!
I don't need to name names do I, Sherman?
Well, Plano is allegedly the wealthiest city in America as declared by the CB in 2008. Does that answer your question?
Yep. I live in San Antonio. We have surpassed Dallas recently..over 1.5 million. Does not make me happy. I would love to move to the Hill Country.
“Now, someone help me out here...”
OK, I’ll try. I’m a 7th generation Texan, descended from the original Texians brought to Texas by Stephen F. Austin and his brother.
Texas has changed a lot over the last 50 years. There will be no secession. Don’t waste your time on fantasies.
Liberals and conservatives keep looking for a free ticket out of what’s coming. There is none. There are about 10 more years of bad times coming no matter who gets elected.
I will agree things will be worse under Obama, and I certainly will be voting against him in November.
Beautiful there. However, after living in not only Arizona, but within the Navajo Nation for months, I do miss the energy of the city. I can't wait to get back to Dallas.
Mexico's President Santa Anna said that Texas had no "right" to secede from Mexico. He was right, Texas did not have that right..... Texas did it anyway.
Several USA states once seceded. They pulled out their representation from the USA Congress. They formed a new country called the Confederate States of America. They elected a President, and formed a new Congress. They had no right, countries make their own laws, and they did not approve of this "divorce". The USA invaded the CSA and after a war between the USA and CSA, the states of the CSA rejoined the USA. Because the USA did not recognize the secession, they called it a rebellion. Secession is never "legal", and it only works if you win the fight.
I do not think Texas will ever secede. Texas gave up her independence and sovereignty a long time ago. People used to be passionate about liberty. Most people today do not want to live under liberty, they want entitlements (dependence). The problems across the USA are here in Texas as well. I would be very surprised if enough Texans would support such a movement to get two or more Texas House Reps to even whisper the word to each other.
Come down here to Texas and say that --'real loud'...
You'll be amazed how fast you get your @$$ kicked back to Michigan!
I can certainly understand and your post is thought provoking. Although I was raised in a small, country town, I have lived in San Antonio for 47 years and know I would miss it dearly if I left. There is much to be said about the energy of the city...and the silence of the country. That silence is one of the things I miss the most. Come home soon.
Now, on the to other side. The US army is 562984 strong, discounting ALL natl. guard and reserve troops. Since there are a lot of Texans in the Army, and many many people who would refuse to shoot at fellow Americans, and the other theaters the US is engaged in, assume 30% of the US army paper-strength is committed. .30=168595.2 Mexico would not want to misss out on such a lovely opportunity to kickstart the reconquesta, so assume the Mexican army commits 25% of paper-strength. Mexican army=192000, .25=48000. Total=121075.2.
NOW, the air war. Mexico has about 360 aircraft of all types, 360*.25=90. US airforce has 2400 fighters, but many of those are natl guard.
Texas has one fighter squadron and recon squadron, discounting all other types such as comm, transport, etc, of which it has several.
All of this is roughly calculated with many unproven assumptions, and discounts logistics, transport, likely combat hotspots, areas of strategic importance, illegal immigrant subterfuge and terror attacks and the effects those might have, the likelihood of gorilla tactics on the part of Texas militia troops and the effect that would have, other states such as Arizona joining with Texas or, much stickier for the fedgov strategy, Alaska.
So what we are looking at...Is one incredibly bloody, destructive and likely vicious war, the outcome of which is far from predictable.
I just love mental wargames ;)
Some people are not birthers, but are opposed to the Obama administration.
Is that difficult for you to understand?
Or must everyone who wants Obama out believe he was secretly born in Kenya?
“I guarantee you that Texas would vote 60% - 40% FOR Secession”
I’ve got a thousand bucks that says you are wrong about that. But I could never collect, so I’ve got another thousand bucks that says there won’t be a secession vote in the next ten years (I don’t want to wait forever to collect.)
Excellent point. So true. Why is that so hard to believe I will never know.
Apparently as difficult as it is for some people to understand that a Natural Born Citizen has TWO citizen parents.
This, however is not as difficult to understand as someone who deliberately and repeatedly claims to be a constitutional conservative, yet maliciously attempts to muddy the waters any time Obama is attacked on constitutional grounds.
Not naming names, but a hit dog will holler...
I love the River Walk in San Antonio. It has an energy all it’s own. I can see how you would quickly come to miss San Antonio. On the up side (for me) I’m hearing reports from friends that Deep Ellum in Dallas is once again revitalizing. It’s the closest thing we had to the River Walk and it was wonderful before it started to decay.
If you bring every single industry in the country to Texas, her ability to stand strong will be greatly magnified. I was thinking about it before. If you bring in the ability to manufacture new WWII-era aircraft, using modern materials and techniques, and really build a lot of them, you could achieve some superiority, as well as recon the TX-Mexico border and respond to threats from there.
Bring arms manufacturing to TX, and I’m talking about heavy duty stuff. If you can get some robust aircraft built, and build a ton of Browning M2s, you could even arm craft like Cessna Skyhawks and television-news style Bell helicopters.
I have more ideas, I just need to be presented with a problem seeking a solution. But be warned, I didn’t go to college, and we all know how much those are worth (not the parchment they’re printed on).
When are both sides going to grow up and admit that natural born citizen has NEVER been LEGALLY defined in this country? The only thing legally obvious is that naturalized citizens are not eligible to become president.
Just curious as well, using your definition, would a child with an unknown father be eligible to president? An extremely common occurrence these days I might add.
I did not know that about Deep Ellum but am happy to hear it. Being so close to downtown, I am surprised they ever let it go the way it did. I have family who recently retired and moved from Dallas to Austin in the winter, Montana in the summer. They miss Dallas. They know now they always will. She is a beautiful lady.