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Statement by the father of Lance Cpl. Hunter H.D. Hogan (KIA 06/23/12 Re: ROE)
New ^ | July 07, 2012 | Steve Hogan

Posted on 07/08/2012 1:28:25 PM PDT by huldah1776

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In honor of all those lost due to constraining ROE...
1 posted on 07/08/2012 1:28:32 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776; Admin Moderator

Please correct date in title to 06/23/2012.

http://militarytimes.com/valor/index.php


2 posted on 07/08/2012 1:32:03 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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http://militarytimes.com/valor/marine-lance-cpl-hunter-d-hogan/6568242


3 posted on 07/08/2012 1:33:15 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: jazusamo; Girlene; 4woodenboats; Grimmy; xzins; smoothsailing; lilycicero; bigheadfred; ...

Try to read this without wanting to twist the heads off Ubama and his “mainstream” newsrooms..

(( ping ))


4 posted on 07/08/2012 1:37:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: huldah1776

You’d think that with all these wonderful drones that are available now, it would be easier than ever to furnish air support to ground troops, from any service. If a drone is shot down, no pilot is lost, so a drone can go where no pilot would dare.

What a loss of a Cowboy. Under Bush it could be Yee Haw. Under Obama it’s a small-t tea party with pinky extended.


5 posted on 07/08/2012 1:39:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

with the community-organizer-in-chief it’s more like leaning on his hand with the middle finger extended.


6 posted on 07/08/2012 1:44:59 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

Remember the scene in Toy Story with Buzz Lightyear at his owner’s sister’s tea party??


7 posted on 07/08/2012 1:55:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: hoosiermama

Learn something new everyday.

I wonder what kind of changes Petraeus has put in place at the CIA? These ROE’s are his idea.


8 posted on 07/08/2012 1:56:44 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

Hard for me to believe that Obama hasn’t leaned hard on him about it, though.


9 posted on 07/08/2012 1:59:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: huldah1776

Remember, Petraeus also is given orders he must obey. JCS and the White house trumps anything he would do. Not giving him cover, just stating a reality.

Like so many good field generals, he may also suck at a civilian existence. Seems like we are not getting any leaks out of the CIA like we used to though. Now they are all coming from the WH.


10 posted on 07/08/2012 2:12:42 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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The limited company level support such as motors

mortars

11 posted on 07/08/2012 2:44:13 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Lancey Howard

An abhorrent situation regarding both coverage and policy.


12 posted on 07/08/2012 3:00:43 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: huldah1776

I need help. What is a ROE?

Thanks in advance.

ROE (Running On Empty)


13 posted on 07/08/2012 3:11:56 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Running On Empty

Sorry, had to cut down on the amount of letters used, but ROE is rules of engagement


14 posted on 07/08/2012 3:16:22 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

Thanks.

I should have known that.


15 posted on 07/08/2012 3:17:58 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Good catch, it was a direct copy so I’m innocent this time.


16 posted on 07/08/2012 3:19:36 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776; STARWISE; holdonnow; onyx; Jim Robinson; Interesting Times; The Shrew; Nachum; LucyT; ..

Hunter was a student on mine, a really good kid. As support to his many friends and family not just in Indiana but from NC to NE, we ask that you help get the word out regarding the “constraining ROE” Obama and Company has in place.

Note the comparison of deaths and wounded between W and 0. Do we have an Amateur in Chief? Another Vietnam? I for one said “Never Again” PLEASE help stop this madness now!

Distribute the statement to as many people in as many ways as you can. Thanks. Freepers can make a difference in November.!


17 posted on 07/08/2012 3:22:41 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: mazda77

“Keane and Fred Kagan, a military historian, had met with President Bush to recommend that the U.S. adapt a new strategy and recommended Petraeus to lead the effort.

The essence of the strategy was to do what it took to protect civilians.

Some positive trends already were evident in Iraq when Petraeus arrived to command coalition forces in early 2007.”

Updated April 2011 From:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-04-28-Gen-David-Petraeus-military-CIA_n.htm


18 posted on 07/08/2012 3:27:25 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

“In his opening statement in his Senate confirmation hearing, Petraeus vowed to “look very hard” at the directives Gen. Stanley McChrystal put in place to cut down on civilian casualties. McChrystal was following counterinsurgency principles that Petraeus, in large part, pioneered and championed within the U.S. military, principles that led McChrystal to say that the attitudes of the Afghan people will be “strategically decisive” in the war.”

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/06/petraeus-ill-change-the-rules-of-war-in-afghanistan/


19 posted on 07/08/2012 3:29:31 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Running On Empty

This article from Omaha news gives some good backgound.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20120707/NEWS/707079924


20 posted on 07/08/2012 3:29:59 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: huldah1776
It is interesting the CIA can attack a target inside a sovereign nation with no restrictions.

Yet the military can have an identical target refused by ROE overseers because there may be a “civilian” nearby.

That same target then kills or injures one of our own.

21 posted on 07/08/2012 4:03:52 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre; Future Snake Eater; SandRat; Allegra

Hulda, just got word of more casualties...Pray.

Is there a veterans group that can be of support to Hulda here on Fr? I’m sure there is but don’t know who to contact.


22 posted on 07/08/2012 4:07:31 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: huldah1776

10-4, thanks. I guess that the left set him up to be the darling of the right with Hitlery’s willing disbelief comment. What really started to smell was when he demoted himself to take over McStanley’s post.

Warning sign #1 and #2 came shortly after when the ROE was further restricted when he took over operations in theatre.

Then #3 when they ushered Gates out of the Pentagon to be replaced by Panetta and then for Petreaus named Director of an agency he had no real direct contract with beforehand.

I still say the ROE was not his idea, but as a willing pawn took credit for it to keep the heat off his superiors who were already under fire for it.


23 posted on 07/08/2012 4:15:10 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: hoosiermama

Roger that. Prayers already up as I saw 4 NATO casualties reported about three hours ago.


24 posted on 07/08/2012 4:16:56 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: hoosiermama

Freepers under the Religion category get together and pray every day “Pray for our American Heroes” if anyone wants to join in.


25 posted on 07/08/2012 5:27:56 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: mazda77

Will Petraeus be there under the new administration? What are Romney’s leanings with the war?


26 posted on 07/08/2012 5:31:33 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

<Amens are there.


27 posted on 07/08/2012 5:45:07 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: huldah1776

That is the crapshoot we have with Romney as much as it pains me to believe. He has shown no indications he will turn the rudder more than 2° and this idiotic vacation he has been on for the past week or two is following the same stupid purple pill scenario that McLaim did.

Now that he has brought in his personal Palin hater as the new message man to replace the etch-a-sketch idiot, I cannot feel comfortable he will make any changes in ideology even though the names will change.

The only positive thing about a Romney administration is we will come off the turbo boost on our way to socialism.

Then again, he could surprise us all but I am of the opinion that I would find my backyard full of unicorns tomorrow morning before I could expect the GOPe to grow a set of ‘nads. So enough of trying to cheer you up. Prayers up to your family and the extended family to all with precious resources doing God’s bidding.


28 posted on 07/08/2012 5:49:58 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: huldah1776

O my gosh....this is betrayal. Those stats of increased casualties is an utter travesty. I will gladly vote for a partial comservative to get Obama”ass out of there so these troopers can take care of bussiness. God have mercy on Obama”s soul...he is going to need it!


29 posted on 07/08/2012 6:01:48 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: huldah1776

O my gosh....this is betrayal. Those stats of increased casualties is an utter travesty. I will gladly vote for a partial comservative to get Obama”ass out of there so these troopers can take care of bussiness. God have mercy on Obama”s soul...he is going to need it!


30 posted on 07/08/2012 6:01:48 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: huldah1776
Petraeus has put in place at the CIA? These ROE’s are his idea.

All you need to do is look at this clown and you realize he's an ass-sucking bureaucrat, who's only real talent is being a little bit better at it all than the guy he climbed over.

31 posted on 07/08/2012 7:39:52 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walked into a bar; barkeep said "Hi Mitt")
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To: huldah1776

This guy gave his life for our nation.

We must do all that we can to save it in November.

32 posted on 07/08/2012 8:29:58 PM PDT by garjog
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To: hoosiermama

Certainly. Bump!


33 posted on 07/08/2012 9:07:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: huldah1776

Another question that has had me fuming, why was the focus on ben laden, when the destructive brains are in the head of al zawahiri? And what’s up with the prison breaks?


34 posted on 07/08/2012 9:26:03 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: hoosiermama

Thanks for this.


35 posted on 07/08/2012 10:22:49 PM PDT by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: fabian; trooprally; holdonnow; onyx; STARWISE; Allegra; maggief; radioone
Just so the MSM won't miss them:

Here’s the statistics in Afghanistan for the 8 years of George Bush. The total killed in action under him is 660. Barack Obama in 3 years and 5 months the total killed in action is a total of 1,398
Wounded under George Bush is 2,637 in 8 years. Wounded under Obama up to January 31st of this year is 11,529G

36 posted on 07/09/2012 3:47:36 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Have linked your article of the six new casualties here.

Was Obama’s policy involved? Will we ever know.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2904394/posts


37 posted on 07/09/2012 7:10:51 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: KeyLargo

Originally Add one more.

Seven US soldiers killed in spate of killings in Afghanistan
International Security Assistance Forces (ISAF) spokesperson Brigadier General Günter Katz confirms that seven US soldiers were among 35 people killed in a string of roadside bombs and clashes in southern Afghanistan.

Video news conference

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9386503/Seven-US-soldiers-killed-in-spate-of-killings-in-Afghanistan.html
posted by KL on another thread:
,,,


38 posted on 07/09/2012 7:15:14 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: hoosiermama

These stats need to be told over and over again by Romney and he needs to confront Obama on this in the debates and not back off! We had better make sure he does too!


39 posted on 07/09/2012 10:17:07 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: hoosiermama

Friday, July 06, 2012

Shame on the nation: American Hero Michael Behenna Loses Final Appeal

There is something horribly wrong in America when a soldier is jailed for killing the enemy. The criminalization of our heroes is the liberal wet dream and the goal of the enemy, Islamic supremacists. Indeed, they make common cause of their hatred of the good.

Lt. Behenna shot a known al qaeda killer on the battlefield, a terrorist the Army had actually issued a kill/capture order for before they realized he was already dead.

His mother wrote here:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/shame-on-the-nation-american-hero-.html


40 posted on 07/09/2012 1:48:58 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: fabian

I’ve sent Steve’s letter and the stats to everyone I could think of. They’ve been placed for all to see on FR.....

PLEASE contact as many people as you can: E-mail, ping people to email, contact your congressman, contact MSM.

Where is the out rage?

Have we surrendered so soon?


41 posted on 07/09/2012 3:30:19 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: KeyLargo

Thanks KL Maybe we should get the nations parents together. Many of experienced Vietnam. IMO things are worse now. OTOH maybe I was just to innocent and naive then.


42 posted on 07/09/2012 3:32:42 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: hoosiermama

Ok, thank you. I posted on my facebook page but will send to my email list tonight too. I am very appalled. This is really criminal to do this to our military.


43 posted on 07/09/2012 5:27:55 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: huldah1776
Here’s the statistics in Afghanistan for the 8 years of George Bush. The total killed in action under him is 660. Barack Obama in 3 years and 5 months the total killed in action is a total of 1,398.

Wounded under George Bush is 2,637 in 8 years. Wounded under Obama up to January 31st of this year is 11,529.

Barack Obama, the leftwing media's idea of an effective leader.

God bless our military. May Obama and his leftwing allies receive exactly what they deserve for the abuse they've heaped upon this nation.

44 posted on 07/13/2012 9:13:31 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

More Than 14,000 U.S. Troops Were Wounded In Afghanistan Since 2008 | The Congressional Research Service released a report this week that found that to date, 2,030 Americans have died in Afghanistan and in the broader Operation Enduring Freedom since October, 2001. Nearly 2,700 soldiers were wounded in Afghanistan from 2001 through 2008, while a staggering 14,143 have been wounded since, a period of time that included a substantial troop surge:

there is a graph at the site:

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/07/13/516771/afghanistan-14000-wounded/?mobile=nc

It is because of the surge and winning the fight there, but it would have been less because of the ROE.


45 posted on 07/13/2012 11:06:11 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: hoosiermama

saw this today...
“More Than 14,000 U.S. Troops Were Wounded In Afghanistan Since 2008 | The Congressional Research Service released a report this week that found that to date, 2,030 Americans have died in Afghanistan and in the broader Operation Enduring Freedom since October, 2001. Nearly 2,700 soldiers were wounded in Afghanistan from 2001 through 2008, while a staggering 14,143 have been wounded since, a period of time that included a substantial troop surge:”

there is a graph at the site:

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/07/13/516771/afghanistan-14000-wounded/?mobile=nc

It is because of the surge and winning the fight there, but it would have been less because of the ROE.


46 posted on 07/13/2012 11:08:12 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

I don’t understand what are these young men fighting for
in Iraq and Afganistan..(under obama)
They always told us it was for the terrorists al-Qaeda
(at least that was true under Bush)
But the same al-Qaeda were the rebels and freedom fighters in Egypt and Libya....
so bad in Iraq and ok in Libya...

so many wounded and killed since obama stole office


47 posted on 07/13/2012 11:34:45 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: freedommom

http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-warns-al-qaida-flowing-syria-185235147.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


48 posted on 07/13/2012 11:38:19 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: freedommom

I think if I were fighting al-qaeda, I would have chosen to fight in Iraq, where the logistics and supply routes were available and the mobile guerrilla enemy would come to you, plus you take out saddam. Just read where Syria is moving chemical weapons and I think chemists will be able to provide information on their point of origin (at least they can on tv) and find that some are from Iraq.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/world/middleeast/syria-moves-some-chemical-weapons-us-says.html?_r=1

AS for Afghanistan, we did go after ben laden, but who is more dangerous? al zawahiri who is still alive and in Pakistan (enemy of our ally India) and the brains behind ben laden, now number one of al qaeda. Just as Obama is not dangerous on his own as a community organizer, but those he organized as a group are termites with jaws the size of bucket loaders that are eating the foundation of liberty. I digress.

The hope for Afghanistan is the educated young. But the Taliban have closed many schools and we have to pull out...


49 posted on 07/14/2012 6:10:14 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

bump


50 posted on 07/17/2012 9:50:15 PM PDT by Toadman (Objective 2012 - Hussein OUT. Objective 2016 - Romney replaced by a Conservative)
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