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Land of 100,000 gun carriers(MN)(barf alert)
startribune.com ^ | 8 July, 2012 | LARRY OAKES

Posted on 07/08/2012 4:53:41 PM PDT by marktwain

One in 40 Minnesota adults now has a permit to carry a handgun, and there's no consensus on whether we're safer.

It's become another thing Pat Cannon makes sure he has on him each morning before heading out the door of his south Minneapolis bungalow.

Wallet? Check. Keys? Check. Handgun?

"Actually, the gun usually goes on with the pants," said Cannon, who tucks his loaded Ruger .357 Magnum revolver into a holster he conceals inside his waistband. He positions it far enough forward on his right hip so that he can drive comfortably, but far enough back so that the grip doesn't poke out and alarm someone at work or in the grocery store.

He's not a vigilante. He's not a nut. He's just another average Minnesotan who has acquired the power to kill.

Cannon, 59, a gray-haired production artist, is one of 103,000 state residents with a permit to carry a handgun -- more than 10 times the number there were a decade ago. They, in turn, are part of a growing "carry' culture across the country: a record 8 million people who have taken on the means to use deadly force if they decide it's necessary.

Handgun owners have more freedom now than they've had in nearly a century, with every state except Illinois offering average residents the option of getting a carry permit, up from just a few states in the 1970s. In Utah, where gun laws are so liberal public schools can't even prohibit them, one in nearly seven adults has a permit. In New Jersey, where local authorities have retained the discretion to deny permits, just one in 4,200 adults has one.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; constitution; mn
There is a clear consensus that more carriers have not made us *less* safe.

And, the crime rate continues to drop.

1 posted on 07/08/2012 4:53:47 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Wisconsin, with its historic and less restrictive shall issue law, reached this level in six months.


2 posted on 07/08/2012 4:54:48 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Acquired the power to kill? He’s acquired the power to protect himself.


3 posted on 07/08/2012 4:59:31 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: marktwain
He's not a vigilante. He's not a nut. He's just another average Minnesotan who has acquired the power to kill.

Most people have the power to kill, what he has now is the legal means to readily and effectively defend himself against one of those "most people" that decide to prey upon him.

4 posted on 07/08/2012 5:08:08 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: marktwain

It is even more horrifying in Alaska, Arizona Vermont, and Wyoming, where residents don’t have to get permission from the State to carry a concealed weapon.


5 posted on 07/08/2012 5:10:57 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: marktwain
He's just another average Minnesotan who has acquired the power to kill.

The commies at the "Star & Sickle" at their best again.

6 posted on 07/08/2012 5:11:45 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: marktwain

I knew of a judge, sick of seeing abused women showing up in court repeatedly, started issuing “will carry” bench orders to them. Basically, when in public they would be required to be armed, and carry a copy of the order to present to any LEO who questioned their being armed.

Because some of these women were poor, he even issued them guns and ammunition he had purchased if they couldn’t afford it. And because it worked so well, the police department started collecting money for the “gun fund”, as well. They had their craw full of women getting beaten again and again as well.

That is, the number of women he saw twice or more dropped to zero.

Unfortunately, this was back in the 1980s, and the value of judges doing this today is just as important.

That is, if a state is “shall issue”, judges should also “will carry” orders.


7 posted on 07/08/2012 5:12:15 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: marktwain

100,000?

Its a start.


8 posted on 07/08/2012 5:15:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marktwain

Every last one of us has a “permit”.

It was issued in 1791.


9 posted on 07/08/2012 5:19:36 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now, or something.)
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To: marktwain

In Utah, where gun laws are so liberal ...

LOL! What convoluted *liberal* logic to call the Bill of rights “liberal.”


10 posted on 07/08/2012 5:27:25 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

He should do it for men too. Lots of men live and work in dangerous areas. Have people that threaten them.


11 posted on 07/08/2012 5:32:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: marktwain

“He’s just another average Minnesotan who has acquired the power to kill.”

Got news for you, Larry. You don’t need a gun to have to power to take a life. But a gun *does* make it a whole lot easier to stop someone intent on taking yours.


12 posted on 07/08/2012 5:32:47 PM PDT by DemforBush (A Repo man is *always* intense!)
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To: marktwain

Someone please start selling these.

13 posted on 07/08/2012 5:38:58 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: marktwain

Such a small number of responsible citizens is hardly enough to make a significant impact. Minnesota should encourage more people to take responsibility for their own safety. Get those numbers up, so people can make a difference.


14 posted on 07/08/2012 5:39:38 PM PDT by pallis
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
That is, if a state is “shall issue”, judges should also “will carry” orders.

Even if it's a "may issue" state, such a court order may still work.
I'd find it interesting to see how the LEOs in such a state would react to being presented such an order. Any refusal to issue such a permit might be actionable by the court.

15 posted on 07/08/2012 5:44:48 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain

I would like to see the ratio of crime done with guns by street gangs vs law abiding citizens. Also include those time where the cops were late in arriving, or time of call to time of showing up at a house breakin.


16 posted on 07/08/2012 5:52:40 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: marktwain

1 in 40 way too high, I don’t buy it.


17 posted on 07/08/2012 5:54:15 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: EGPWS

Any wonder their circulation is in the dumpster ?


18 posted on 07/08/2012 6:20:40 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: marktwain

Only 1 in 40, kinda woosie. Should be a crap shoot for criminals trying to guess if they are going to get blown away by grandma or grandpa.


19 posted on 07/08/2012 6:32:15 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: marktwain

In the beginning it was 1977. Man had appeared.


20 posted on 07/08/2012 6:42:27 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: marktwain
Land of 100,000 gun carriers(MN)

Thinking the title was one of those weird MN dialect things I expected good news aboot the gunbearer job market.

like this little feller except taller, blonde, and female.

Ah well, good news nonetheless. Still....

21 posted on 07/08/2012 6:51:56 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: bill1952
In Utah, where gun laws are so liberal ...
LOL! What convoluted *liberal* logic to call the Bill of rights “liberal.”
You have it backward - what’s convoluted is the usage which implies that there is anything “liberal” about socialism:
At the start of the Twentieth Century the term "liberal" meant the same in America as it still does in the rest of the world - essentially, what is called "conservatism" in American Newspeak. Of course we "American Conservatives" are not the ones who oppose development and liberty, so in that sense we are not conservative at all. We actually are liberals.

But in America, "liberalism" was given its American Newspeak - essentially inverted - meaning in the 1920s (source: Safire's New Political Dictionary). The fact that the American socialists have acquired a word to exploit is bad enough; the real disaster is that we do not now have a word which truly descriptive of our own political perspective. We only have the smear words which the socialists have assigned to us.

And make no mistake, in America "conservative" is inherently a negative connotation - we know that just as surely as we know that every American marketer loves to boldly proclaim that whatever product he is flogging is NEW!


22 posted on 07/08/2012 6:52:06 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Actually, the judge did. I found out about him from a retired US Army CSM. In his case, some (unspecified) bad guyz wanted to do him harm, but his (chain) employer would not let him be armed on the job. So this judge provided him a bench order, pretty much the same kind as for the women.

He showed me the order he carried with him, in case some policeman had heartburn with him being armed in public.


23 posted on 07/08/2012 7:04:57 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: OneWingedShark

In this case, all the local police were aware of the judge, but that does raise a question about police who didn’t.

In such a case, it would probably “pay to advertise”, to visit the local cop shop, show a supervisor the order, to see if he is cool with it.

If you’re ever involved with anything that might be controversial, it is usually a great idea to visit the police station. They can’t read minds, and with all the changes in the law, it’s pretty hard to keep current. So when somebody gives them a heads up on a subject that might create friction, they are generally grateful.

New gun laws for CC and open carry take a lot of getting used to, for one.


24 posted on 07/08/2012 7:16:54 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: marktwain

Need more permits.


25 posted on 07/08/2012 7:17:17 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; EGPWS

The Strib must have caught some heat over the original title of the story that appeared in the print edition (page one, center, above the fold).

The original title used the word “toters” instead of “carriers”.


26 posted on 07/08/2012 7:19:54 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
If you’re ever involved with anything that might be controversial, it is usually a great idea to visit the police station. They can’t read minds, and with all the changes in the law, it’s pretty hard to keep current. So when somebody gives them a heads up on a subject that might create friction, they are generally grateful.

The problem with that is that I really don't trust the police. Given the stories I see today, I think that is the best position to take.

27 posted on 07/08/2012 7:33:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Java4Jay

28 posted on 07/08/2012 7:45:29 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: OneWingedShark

That’s why I specified at controversial times. Open carry and CC are great examples of this.

Say your state has just legalized open carry. If you toodle over to the cop shop and ask their Public Affairs officer about it, you may get critically important information, such as:

1) Huh? When did that happen? First I’ve heard.

2) We haven’t received guidance from the city attorney, so we are still doing “business as usual”.

3) The Chief says he doesn’t want any “gunslingers” in his town.

4) We’ve been closely monitoring that law, which goes into effect next month, and as soon as it does, we have trained our officers to be cool with it.

etc.

Even if you don’t trust cops, it is far better to go to them than for them to come to you.


29 posted on 07/08/2012 7:45:45 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: EGPWS

He’s just another average Minnesotan who has acquired the power to kill.

The commies at the “Star & Sickle” at their best again.


Do they say the same thing when someone gets a drivers license? a 2X4? a kitchen knife? A power tool??


30 posted on 07/08/2012 7:50:24 PM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Population of Minnesota over 18 is 3.75 million…

100,000 permit holders of 3.75m is 2.6%...

1 in 40 is approximately 2.6%...

Article seems true, I stand corrected.


31 posted on 07/08/2012 10:52:24 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Java4Jay

“To: marktwain
Acquired the power to kill? He’s acquired the power to protect himself.”....

People are BORN with the “power” to kill, once the person is physically capabile. The gun is merely a tool to accomplish the tast.


32 posted on 07/09/2012 4:24:38 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: marktwain

One should not need a permit to carry a concealed weapon, period.


33 posted on 07/09/2012 4:39:59 AM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Fast & Furious: Proof the Government should not have access to guns)
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To: Java4Jay

No problem, Jay.

The number I posted is as of July 1.

Hopefully, we’ve picked up a couple more since then.

I’m working with a young man who wants to get his permit. So we’re meeting on the weekends at the local range.

Side note... Pat Cannon, quoted in the article, and I grew up in the same neighborhood.


34 posted on 07/09/2012 6:29:07 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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