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Obama's 'missing year' at Columbia found?
WND ^ | July 8, 2012 | Jerome Corsi

Posted on 07/08/2012 6:23:39 PM PDT by Brown Deer

Did he attend classes at Columbia?


Henry Franklin Graff, professor emeritus of history at Columbia for 46 years, has cast doubt on claims Obama attended classes at the New York City university.

“I have no recollection of Barack Obama at Columbia, and I am sure he never attended any of my classes,” Graff told WND in a telephone interview.

“For 46 years, I taught political history, diplomatic history and one of the pioneering courses on presidential history, and every future politician of note who went through Columbia in those years took one or more of my classes – every one, that is, except Barack Obama.”

Graff further told WND no professor he knew could remember having Obama as a student at Columbia.

“Nobody I knew at Columbia ever remembers Obama being there,” Graff insisted.


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To: Fred Nerks; Brown Deer; little jeremiah

251 posted on 07/09/2012 8:56:04 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: RummyChick

Hilarious story about Penrose.

No idea if it is true

http://www.ctka.net/pr700-ang.html

Love this quote

“But in his footnotes, he admits that Penrose, against whom this operation was conducted, suffered a near-breakdown as a result, and was transferred to less stressful jobs. [Penrose] and various other top people in SI (with a few conspicuous exceptions, such as Richard Helms, who defected to X-2 and went on to become the CIA’s director) were generally thought to be ‘too Christ-like for the spy business,’ as Mother put it.”


252 posted on 07/09/2012 8:57:48 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Fred Nerks

Mah mah mah. Ain’t he got hisself a purdy mouth.


253 posted on 07/09/2012 8:59:22 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: RummyChick

Penrose was offered the presidency of the American College in spring of 1945 but turned it down.

http://books.google.com/books?id=a3ncweUli9UC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&dq=head+of+SI+penrose&source=bl&ots=QkJ6NniL8c&sig=HPk5Z5RpnTgla2RENZQsmbKw2Rk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4ar7T_qSMoXSqQHyqL2LCQ&ved=0CE0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=head%20of%20SI%20penrose&f=false


254 posted on 07/09/2012 9:13:29 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Windflier

I thought I read accounts some years ago of her showing up pregnant on the mainland in ‘61? I know those accounts could just be hearsay, dubbed in by some supportive Obama minion after he was elected.

I also seem to recall seeing some official travel document of Stanley Ann’s that listed Barack as ‘child’.

But yes, prenatal doctor’s records, or hospital admittance records certainly would help to verify Barry’s story. Perhaps a baby picture or two from his infant homecoming. Anything, except his own account.


Having read every thread (practically) about this stuff very obsessively (much more than is probably good for me), I’ve never seen anything about her being seen preg, even by suspect witnesses whose stories may be amended/changed/made up - such as those who “saw” her in Seattle with a newborn baby.

The travel docs were after she gained custody of him via the fake divorce.

Did you ever read the whole “Auntie” thread? That one helped me tremendously figure out some of this stuff. I’ll post the link if you want it.


255 posted on 07/09/2012 9:22:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: PhilDragoo

Good find! The thing strange to me is why they needed to add a signature. Why couldn’t they just have left it as is? And who did it, of course.


256 posted on 07/09/2012 9:31:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: PhilDragoo

Hmm, second thought - the “your son” looks like natural handwriting.

So why add a fake “Stanley”? Is this photo of someone else? ??


257 posted on 07/09/2012 9:33:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Windflier

The only person who ever said they saw ‘her’ was Neil Abercrombie, and he said he saw ANN.
And ‘Ann’ might well have been the girl the kenyan is shown with - sitting beside him at a social gathering in Hawaii, but she isn’t Stanley Ann Dunham.

I gather ‘Ann’ is the reason he was convinced he would find a birth record for BHO2 - he must have heard that ‘Ann’ had a baby - but when? Would he know if it was in January or in August?

By the time he realized there was no record, or IF he found a record, the penny would have dropped. ‘Ann’ wasn’t Stanley Ann Dunham.

The only ‘travel’ record there is, is when she applied for a passport renewal and had the name Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah REMOVED from her passport in August, 1968.

The original application for the passport issued to her in July 1965 has not been made available. We are told that any records prior to 1968 have been destroyed.

Prior to that, his name appears on the divorce which was granted March 20, 1964, and how he was identified as BHO2 is anyone’s guess.


258 posted on 07/09/2012 9:50:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Windflier; Brown Deer
Taken in Hawaii in 1961 at Arnie and Suzie Nachmanoff's house (Pearl Harbor): from left to right: Kiri Tith (then Cambodia), Kitaichi (Japan), Marda (USA), Ichiro (Japan), Suzie Nachmanoff (Host, USA), Dave (USA), Kunio (Japan), Bob (USA), Rajapakse (Sri Lanka), Barak Obama senior (Kenya), Anne (USA)

The original caption for the image is reproduced above, it has now been removed from the website where it first appeared, now only the image remains.

WHOOPS! Before posting, I checked the site, seems CAMBODIANA has been removed.

NOTHING THERE NO MORE

259 posted on 07/09/2012 10:01:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Brown Deer

http://web.archive.org/web/20100103105323/http://cambodiana.org/MainreasonsofmysupportofObama.aspx

Wayback archive, captioned Nachmannof images remain, scroll down.


260 posted on 07/09/2012 10:07:27 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah
I’ve never seen anything about her being seen preg, even by suspect witnesses whose stories may be amended/changed/made up - such as those who “saw” her in Seattle with a newborn baby.

LJ, that's probably what I'm dimly recalling, now that I think of it. Matter of fact, I'm now sure of it.

Thanks for refreshing my memory. I read these articles with great interest, but I'm afraid that I don't commit much of it to memory because so much of it is conjecture, wild goose chases, blank rabbit holes, hearsay, hard to connect dots, and so forth.

I'm almost sure that lots of what we've run across was intentionally planted on the web to throw a thousand dis-related puzzle pieces on the floor. Obama's real past has been intentionally obscured by some of the best psych manipulators on the planet. None of this is coincidence.

261 posted on 07/09/2012 10:27:16 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Fred Nerks
Before posting, I checked the site, seems CAMBODIANA has been removed. NOTHING THERE NO MORE

'Composite' Obama's spooks sure have been busy these last three years, haven't they?

262 posted on 07/09/2012 10:29:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

The site was set up around the idea of support for zero, I checked back there from time to time and they were becoming very critical, particularly Kiri Tith, who visited the kenyan in Kenya before his death.
I am under the impression they removed the website content themselves.
But the Wayback archive still shows the Nachannof images.


263 posted on 07/09/2012 10:40:10 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Hi Fred,

BO Sr.’s left hand is visible. Do you know if he is wearing a wedding ring?


264 posted on 07/09/2012 10:51:03 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

You mean the wedding ring he might be wearing as a result of a marriage we can’t be certain took place in Kenya, or a wedding ring from his marriage to the woman he says he was separated from, and she was living in the Philippines?
Or the girl named Ann he’s sitting beside at the Nachmannofs?

I just found a new letter from the CAMBODIANA ARCHIVE:

Lois Dougan and Dan Tretiak wrote:

Beijing, PRC, At 02:09 AM 06/11/2008

Hi all,

I am writing because I reckon that, as the world salutes this new special President Obama, you and I are smiling with a feeling of special connectedness with him. We all converged on Honolulu a month after he was born there (no, not in a manger!) and knew—well or in passing—his father, though most of us then had no idea there was a baby. I wanted to write to all of you simply to say how thrilling a moment this is and how for us it’s not Chicago or Jakarta that the new President brings to mind but Honolulu, where—for all of us in this email—so much began.

I’m sure we are all thinking about people we wish were here: my sister Nita and I think especially of Daddy, two uncles and an old family friend who would so much enjoy this election. All of us in this email will think of departed friends such as Ojha, Teramura, Kitaichi, Salome Kim, and Lorraine Yuan who would deeply appreciate this moment.

Dan and I in Beijing have managed to stay on top of this endless campaign (though obviously we didn’t have the full array of info that those of you in the US did)—and, thanks to CNN, we were caught up in Election Night results, though for us they came on Wednesday morning.

Before long, we’ll be as hard-headed and steely-eyed in our judgment of President Obama as we’ve been of all US presidents but, for this moment, let’s toast him and America and Barack the Elder—and that bit of Honolulu that resides in all of us.

All the best,
Lois


THEY DIDN’T KNOW THERE WAS A BABY LOL!


265 posted on 07/09/2012 11:14:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: thecodont

You mean the wedding ring he might be wearing as a result of a marriage we can’t be certain took place in Kenya, or a wedding ring from his marriage to the woman he says he was separated from, and she was living in the Philippines?
Or the girl named Ann he’s sitting beside at the Nachmannofs?

I just found a new letter from the CAMBODIANA ARCHIVE:

Lois Dougan and Dan Tretiak wrote:

Beijing, PRC, At 02:09 AM 06/11/2008

Hi all,

I am writing because I reckon that, as the world salutes this new special President Obama, you and I are smiling with a feeling of special connectedness with him. We all converged on Honolulu a month after he was born there (no, not in a manger!) and knew—well or in passing—his father, though most of us then had no idea there was a baby. I wanted to write to all of you simply to say how thrilling a moment this is and how for us it’s not Chicago or Jakarta that the new President brings to mind but Honolulu, where—for all of us in this email—so much began.

I’m sure we are all thinking about people we wish were here: my sister Nita and I think especially of Daddy, two uncles and an old family friend who would so much enjoy this election. All of us in this email will think of departed friends such as Ojha, Teramura, Kitaichi, Salome Kim, and Lorraine Yuan who would deeply appreciate this moment.

Dan and I in Beijing have managed to stay on top of this endless campaign (though obviously we didn’t have the full array of info that those of you in the US did)—and, thanks to CNN, we were caught up in Election Night results, though for us they came on Wednesday morning.

Before long, we’ll be as hard-headed and steely-eyed in our judgment of President Obama as we’ve been of all US presidents but, for this moment, let’s toast him and America and Barack the Elder—and that bit of Honolulu that resides in all of us.

All the best,
Lois


THEY DIDN’T KNOW THERE WAS A BABY LOL!


266 posted on 07/09/2012 11:14:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Admin Moderator

Duplicate comment, sorry. PLease remove.


267 posted on 07/09/2012 11:18:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

“We all converged on Honolulu a month after he was born there (no, not in a manger!) and knew—well or in passing—his father, though most of us then had no idea there was a baby.”


Now that’s just weird.

Take that sentence apart.

** “We all converged on Honolulu a month after he was born there

** (no, not in a manger!)

** and knew—-well or in passing—-his father,

** though most of us then had no idea there was a baby.”

The first thing that strikes me is HONOLULU HE WAS BORN THERE. It rings false. Especially when paired with the last phrase, no? I don’t know how much BO hagiography pops up with “you know he was born in Hawai’i” or variations on that theme. It’s an awkward, overly emphasized aside. No different here. Compare with other Presidents or other presidential candidates. You don’t hear the awkward, repeated emphasis on birthplace.

Snarky reference to his “Messiah” status in the second phrase.

Third phrase: “We all knew well—or in passing—his father.” Even then BO Sr. didn’t seem to be the sort of guy you’d admit to being good friends with.

Last phrase: again, compare with the first phrase. Who is “most of us” who had “no idea” there was a baby? That would mean some people knew there was one, right?

Thanks for the link.


268 posted on 07/09/2012 11:30:46 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Fred Nerks; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...

Lorice Sarruf (1907-1991), (first cousin of Dr. Fúad Sarrúf and daughter of Dr. Ya'kub Sarrúf)
was the mother-in-law of Mary Jean (Zolin) Toutonghi

al-Muqtataf, founded and edited by Ya'kub SarrúfMary Toutonghi

269 posted on 07/09/2012 11:31:12 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

She’s the Mary Mary Quite Contrary
Who didn’t know who Stanley Ann Dunham was
When she was interviewed in Alaska...
In September 2008:

http://redoubtreporter.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/sign-of-the-times-campaign-propaganda-disappears-from-central-peninsula-yards-roadsides-3/

“...“It’s my yard, I put up my signs and they tear them down instead of going the route of putting up their own signs. Or maybe they do have their own signs, but to me it’s a violation of what I choose to display in my yard,” she said...”

AND NOT A WORD ABOUT BABY-SITTING THE POTUS!


270 posted on 07/10/2012 12:00:15 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: thecodont

It reads like someone with a guilty conscience is writing, doesn’t it? She knows it’s not right, but she’s promised to write the letter and now she’s stuck on what to say.


271 posted on 07/10/2012 12:02:57 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
I just found a new letter from the CAMBODIANA ARCHIVE:

Lois Dougan and Dan Tretiak wrote:

Beijing, PRC, At 02:09 AM 06/11/2008

Hi all,

I am writing because I reckon that, as the world salutes this new special President Obama, you and I are smiling with a feeling of special connectedness with him


So this was written 5 months before the election was even held?

272 posted on 07/10/2012 6:26:29 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Brown Deer
Lorice Sarruf (1907-1991), (first cousin of Dr. Fúad Sarrúf and daughter of Dr. Ya'kub Sarrúf) was the mother-in-law of Mary Jean (Zolin) Toutonghi

She had some other relationships that may be more significant.

She was the mother of Joseph Tontonghi who ran the boarding house where Anna purportedly lived--why haven't we heard from Joseph about the events of 1960-61?

She was also the aunt (sister of Alexander Sarruf, father of Nadia who was the mother of Chantel Anderson) of the woman whose husband wrote the first article in Seattle Weekly attempting to convert Anna to Stanley; in which article he attests that no child accompanied Anna to Seattle to live in the boarding house.

(Point of that is that you are supposed to believe that Stanley was the mother on August 4; abandoned the kid with its father a month later; didn't see him again until some date later than 1962; and then sent him to Indonesia in early 63, around six months later, where she didn't see him again until sometime after 1966 according to Lia, the housegirl.)

And, Lorice, as you say, first cousin to Faud, is first cousin once removed to Faud's daughter Valerie; and is thus first counsin twice removed to Fauds grandson by daughter Valerie and we all know who he is.

273 posted on 07/10/2012 7:40:02 AM PDT by David
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To: arasina

“So this was written 5 months before the election was even held?”

06/11/2008 - in the context of the letter, I would assume that the date is in DD/MM/YYYY format and not MM/DD/YYYY format.


274 posted on 07/10/2012 7:45:06 AM PDT by MMaschin
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To: Fred Nerks; LucyT; Brown Deer

Notice also that in the picture posted in #259, Anne (USA) has her hand under Senior’s hand in his lap.


275 posted on 07/10/2012 7:47:15 AM PDT by David
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To: arasina

No, remember that some put the month in the middle.


276 posted on 07/10/2012 7:48:47 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick




Egypt 1943-1946 Greece 1944 Lebanon 1948

* Copeland,M. The Game Player. 1989 (79-80)
* CounterSpy 1978-12 (22)
* DiEugenio,J. Pease,L. The Assassinations. 2003 (138)
* Hersh,B. The Old Boys. 1992 (189, 216)
* Smith,R.H. OSS. 1981 (125)
* Weiner,T. Legacy of Ashes. 2007 (26)
* Winks,R. Cloak and Gown. 1987 (136, 212)

Penrose Recruited Wisner according to Hersh. Then Dean Acheson recruited Wisner. Then Wisner recruited from his law firm Carter Ledyard and Milburn

btw, Wisner quit the SSU when he couldn’t get funding for 200 bicycles so Germans could move through the Russian Zone. Said they were cutting his throat.

In swooped Dean Acheson


277 posted on 07/10/2012 8:08:12 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick; MMaschin
No, remember that some put the month in the middle.

06/11/2008 - in the context of the letter, I would assume that the date is in DD/MM/YYYY format and not MM/DD/YYYY format.

Aaaargh! I hope those who use the European date format are as frustrated with the American format as I am with theirs.

Stop. Think. Before you post, arasina.

278 posted on 07/10/2012 8:27:47 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Fred Nerks; LucyT; Brown Deer; melancholy; null and void; Red Steel; circumbendibus; ...
ping to eligibility list...significant eye-witness comments found by Fred Nerks

“I am writing because I reckon that, as the world salutes this new special President Obama, you and I are smiling with a feeling of special connectedness with him. We all converged on Honolulu a month after he was born there (no, not in a manger!) and knew—well or in passing—his father, though most of us then had no idea there was a baby.”

The writer, Lois Dougan, sounds like she is referring to an entering class of students at the East-West Center who “converged on Honolulu a month after he (Barry) was born there” and who knew BHO Sr but had zero knowledge of any baby or even any marriage to SADO or the alternate “Anne/Anna”.

One month after he was born would be about Sept. 4, 1961 when numerous corroborating documents and witness statements confirm that Stanley Ann and baby Barry were both already in Seattle (unless all faked including FOIA docs, U of HI and U of WA transcripts and confirmations, friends of SADO, Polk).

279 posted on 07/10/2012 8:49:44 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

I cannot find an original reference to the quote anywhere on the internet, except as posted on Free Republic links. Sounds fishy to me. Also, someone above seems to say that this message, which celebrated Obama’s presidency, was written in June of 2008 — before Obama had been elected!


280 posted on 07/10/2012 10:44:57 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Seizethecarp

Oops: part of this quote can be found in this Cashill article (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/the_case_against_barack_obama_sr.html) lots of pretty pics, too!


281 posted on 07/10/2012 10:50:09 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: David

What an incredibly strange web of connected people.


282 posted on 07/10/2012 11:29:46 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: muawiyah

off topic.... Is USPS a branch of Fed Gov? Private like Fed Reserve? Thx in advance! I recently was told USPS has nothing to do with Gov.


283 posted on 07/10/2012 11:54:37 AM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who d("on’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: Fractal Trader
Thanks for the link and confirmation!

Last week even Mark Levin (previous “birther” basher) was denouncing Barry's false bio narrative as exposed most recently by Maraniss. This opens to possibility that even Levin might have concluded that he might have to walk back his previous position and consider new evidence (Arpaio Posse July 17?) that Barry's birth location bio narrative was fraudulent.

284 posted on 07/10/2012 12:04:38 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Fractal Trader; Seizethecarp; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
Also, someone above seems to say that this message, which celebrated Obama’s presidency, was written in June of 2008 — before Obama had been elected!

It is dated 6-11-2008.

I think Fred has the answer to that--in context from where it is written that is November 6, 2008, not June 11, 2008.

285 posted on 07/10/2012 12:30:33 PM PDT by David
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To: Seizethecarp; melancholy; null and void; Red Steel; Fred Nerks; LucyT; Brown Deer
“I am writing because I reckon that, as the world salutes this new special President Obama, you and I are smiling with a feeling of special connectedness with him. We all converged on Honolulu a month after he was born there (no, not in a manger!) and knew—well or in passing—his father, though most of us then had no idea there was a baby.”

The writer, Lois Dougan, sounds like she is referring to an entering class of students at the East-West Center who “converged on Honolulu a month after he (Barry) was born there” and who knew BHO Sr but had zero knowledge of any baby or even any marriage to SADO or the alternate “Anne/Anna”.

One month after he was born would be about Sept. 4, 1961 when numerous corroborating documents and witness statements confirm that Stanley Ann and baby Barry were both already in Seattle (unless all faked including FOIA docs, U of HI and U of WA transcripts and confirmations, friends of SADO, Polk).

I looked at the American Thinker article by Cashill but can't tell if he has some alternate method for dating the first meeting of the East West Center people which he places in September 1961. But somewhere I think I recall that the fall of 61 was in fact when the East West Center was organized--that having earlier been responsive to the fact that the fairy tale meeting in the Russian class couldn't have happened in the fall of 1960.

If so, then you have to say that here these people are sitting around daily seeing Senior and talking to him regularly but not ever hearing that he has a wife and one month old son--even if the wife and son have just jumped ship on him and gone to Seattle.

And more difficult to believe that he has this wife who has just borne him a son a month earlier, who, based on the people with first hand knowledge like Richard Anderson, left him, Senior, with the kid for whom he is now responsible and taking care of, nonetheless never having said anything about going home to feed the son every three hours.

You can believe anything if you need to. But . . . .

In my view of what happened, the real son of Senior was born sometime earlier--maybe January of 60; the mother, Anna Toutonghi Obama, left him probably sometime in the fall of 1960 and went to Seattle to her Toutonghi relatives at their bording house; leaving the son at age around one and a half, in the care of FMD; by the time of the conversations with Senior this lady refers to, the son is now two and a half and still living with FMD; no mother in sight.

As to the report tieing zero as the guy from Equatorial Guinea with the 8-1-61 or 1-8-61 birth date, maybe the form was completed by someone knowing that zero was born in early August but not knowing the exact date; and contrary to Fred's view filled in blank in the month-day-year order.

I have difficult with Fred's view of the date on that form because I don't think either zero or BHO 2 was born in January of 1961.

Bottom line though is that we don't yet know enough to say when or where with confidence we can prove it if called on to do so.

286 posted on 07/10/2012 1:11:47 PM PDT by David
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To: charlene4

USPS is wholly owned by the government. It is an INDEPENDENT EXECUTIVE ESTABLISHMENT


287 posted on 07/10/2012 1:19:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Fred Nerks

Fred I wish you would write a book! I would love to read it. You have always been onto the truth and you know him better then Sherriff Joe!
In that Keywiki you posted earlier. Davis certainly speaks like Bari without the TOTUS.... uh, uh, uh...


288 posted on 07/10/2012 1:25:55 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who d("on’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: David

So actual son of the Kenyan was cared for by FMD and I assume his wife for a few years? Would that have been until the Kenyan 0bama married Ruth and went back to Kenya, taking his son with him?


289 posted on 07/10/2012 1:30:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: All
There is a mystery here. As with many mysteries, possibly cover-ups and crimes, too. Where is our dashing Philo Vance when we need him?

"Until we can approach all human problems," he once remarked, "with the clinical aloofness and cynical contempt of a doctor examining a guinea pig strapped to a board, we have little chance of getting at the truth."

His "philo"sophy that crimes can't be solved by deductions based merely on material clues and circumstantial evidence gives an alternative approach to finding out the truth.

"The great trouble with you chaps, d' ye see, is that you approach every crime with a fixed and unshakable assumption that the criminal is either half-witted or a colossal bungler. I say, has it never by any chance occurred to you that if a detective could see a clue, the criminal would also have seen it and would either have concealed it or disguised it, if he had not wanted it found? And have you never paused to consider that anyone clever enough to plan and execute a successful crime these days is, ipso facto, clever enough to manufacture whatever clues suit his purpose?"

As Vance disagrees with NY District Attorney Markham that crimes are not witnessed by outsiders, we can draw several parallels to this mind-bender before us:

"That's your fundamental error, don't y' know," Vance observed impassively. "Every crime is witnessed by outsiders, just as is every work of art. The fact that no one sees the criminal, or the artist, actu'lly at work, is wholly incons'quential. The modern investigator of crime would doubtless refuse to believe that Rubens painted the Descent from the Cross in the Cathedral at Antwerp if there was sufficient circumst'ntial evidence to indicate that he had been away on diplomatic business, for instance, at the time it was painted. And yet, my dear fellow, such a conclusion would be prepost'rous. Even if the inf'rences to the contr'ry were so irresistible as to be legally overpowering, the picture itself would prove conclusively that Rubens did paint it. Why? For the simple reason, d' ye see,that no one but Rubens could have painted it. It bears the indelible imprint of his personality and genius—and his alone."

"There is one infallible method of determining human guilt and responsibility," Vance explained; "but as yet the police are as blissfully unaware of its possibilities as they are ignorant of its operations. The truth can be learned only by an analysis of the psychological factors of a crime and an application of them to the individual. The only real clues are psychological—not material. Your truly profound art expert, for instance, does not judge and authenticate pictures by an inspection of the underpainting and a chemical analysis of the pigments, but by studying the creative personality revealed in the picture's conception and execution. He asks himself: Does this work of art embody the qualities of form and technique and mental attitude that made up the genius—namely, the personality—of Rubens, or Michelangelo, or Veronese, or Titian, or Tintoretto, or whoever may be the artist to whom the work has been tentatively credited."*

Many here have been expert at applying Vance's methods and others dig for every scrap and shred of proof. We need both!

I return to the following questions, starting in the early 1960s, which is a long time ago. People thought and reacted very differently, but human nature is often predictable. Suspend for a moment that anyone in his young life was grooming him specifically to become who he is today and take yourself back to that time and place:

Now fast forward to today. Clues may have been planted for the exact purpose of misleading us. But why? Why couldn't his nativity story simply be a run-of-the-mill, heard a million times, broken family story? If it's a case of his lineage being so important then we must look into the people at the heart of this mystery. But if he is not the direct descendant of a political outlaw, what else could be so nefarious in this man's past that anyone would care about today? We have heaps of evidence about the direction in which the man is taking the country! So if it isn't the wrong father, the most glaring thing would be that he is not ELIGIBLE.

And if there was an attempt to cover this problem up once people started asking, then it has become a very tangled web. Because everyone knew that his father was born in Kenya when he was put on the ballot. Is this all just a case of tying to get a birth certificate to "match" that claim? Because both the Certificate and the Certification are proven forgeries. Could it just be this simple? He tried to make a lie out of a simple truth: Unwed mother. Father unknown.

I could continue down this vein if anyone is interested. I think his books hold many, many insights to the personality, though there is strong speculation that he didn't write them. Maybe all the clues are in his children's book!

Meanwhile, thank you for all of the hard work you do here.

*Excerpted from, "The Benson Murder Case," Van Dine, S. S. Published: 1926

290 posted on 07/10/2012 1:44:48 PM PDT by Rona_Badger (Heeds the Calling Wind)
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To: Brown Deer

kitman example #4082 of 0bama. Lying by omission...to infidels.


291 posted on 07/10/2012 1:56:50 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: David

East West Center was proposed by LBJ . Mutual Security Act of 1959 called on the State Department to investigate.

Eisenhower signed it into existence in 1960...under the Mutual Security Act.

You might think about that for a minute.

The Mutual Security Act. It got rid of the entity that had managed The Marshall Plan.

Of course, Dean Acheson was involved.

One GOP person said military aid to those on our side was a good idea. Someone else said this was suppose to prevent war not fight a war. A Democrat.

The Act blocked giving assistance to Cuba.

It is possible that there were classes under East-West but not in the buildings yet because those came later.

The State Department had a legislative mandate to oversee East West.

East-West had problems

http://archive.gao.gov/f1002a/105060.pdf

But really , that is to be expected when it is a CIA training ground

Lucien Conein recruited Frank Scotten into the CIA.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bed0gQKn-ucC&pg=PA418&lpg=PA418&dq=Lucien+Conein+recruited+scotton&source=bl&ots=kwV0er1lxm&sig=WTU6TeiRDY67jBooM1EKptwAsKc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0Jv8T—UMciyqQG0wuWLCQ&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBA

Scotten was involved with Operation Phoenix. He attended East West. Scotten admitted that East-West was a training ground for creating agent nets.

Eventual CIA director Colby was in charge of Indonesia and put the same type of Operation into effect.

By the way, the CIA had a defector program.It was put under USAID.

As an interesting sidenotee- Daniel Ellsberg (of Pentagon Papers fame) worked with Scotton’s teams.


292 posted on 07/10/2012 2:31:43 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: arasina

Unless you know the country of origin of the writer - keep in mind the entire world doesn’t use the US date format - that date could be November 6.


293 posted on 07/10/2012 2:46:44 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: David
...And, Lorice, as you say, first cousin to Faud, is first cousin once removed to Faud's daughter Valerie; and is thus first counsin twice removed to Fauds grandson by daughter Valerie and we all know who he is.

Look at this, I found an image of that Valerie, she played a part in a TV series named The Avengers in the UK in an episode from the 1962-1963 series:

The part she apparently played was Anna Rosas. If you click on that name on the page, it shows the photograph.

THE AVENGERS LINK

294 posted on 07/10/2012 3:14:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: RummyChick

Just happened to notice in the book excerpt that Conein was like a consigliore for the Legendary Lansdale (of possible Three Tramps JFK assassination photo.)

Love the story about Lansdale punching Maysaysay in the face

http://books.google.com/books?id=oZU7u0GiMEUC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=lansdale+punched+philippines&source=bl&ots=hlqvQQdanj&sig=7s0-xLIfvbkxtkAL6jymb-wHdP4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Jan8T_mKF4bArQGztb2LCQ&ved=0CEQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=lansdale%20punched%20philippines&f=false

and the quote of operating alone with as little interference as possible.

Lone Wolf and operator
flamboyant
not bound to higher authority

http://books.google.com/books?id=cgo8s8qDIJQC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=lansdale+lone+wolf+cia&source=bl&ots=RnIyd197LX&sig=H08tvyZSeBpBRw7H0GkXHxWYuyM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=M6r8T_KlPIqrrQGWkrWLCQ&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=lansdale%20lone%20wolf%20cia&f=false

Why do these tangential people always seem to wrap around into the JFK assassination plot in some way or another...

Lansdale would have violated tradecraft if he allowed himself to be photographed with the Three Tramps...

Ahhh,..the good ole CIA....


295 posted on 07/10/2012 3:22:39 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Fred Nerks; Fractal Trader
Unless you know the country of origin of the writer - keep in mind the entire world doesn’t use the US date format - that date could be November 6.

Duly chastised. Apology submitted earlier for my error. Do I need a membership card to post on this thread?

296 posted on 07/10/2012 3:41:50 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: David

I think your questions re the Search result has to do with the method. A PI input the name and the State. It’s the same method I might use in Australia if I was ‘skip-tracing’ - looking for a debtor, for example.

The organization providing the service keeps certain records, from numerous sources, and when a name and region is entered, up pops what the system has collected on any individual who matches the input by the searcher.

As I tried to explain, it’s not always accurate, the results rely on the INPUT - and what that Search showed was simply that a person with THAT name has a certain birthdate, has a certain address, is married to a certain person, comes from a certain country and is of a certain ethnicity etc...AND OF COURSE THE OBVIOUS - a mortgage.

NOW THINK OF THE QUERY INPUT by the PI. Nothing more than a name and STATE.

And the result?

It’s obviously a combination of the data the system has collected on TWO PEOPLE. But why would the data of TWO people become blended on the the result of the input enquiry?

The searcher’s ONLY INPUT was the name and the State of the last known residence. RIGHT?

SO SOMETHING CAUSED THE AMALGAMATION. AND THAT COULD ONLY BE BECAUSE EITHER THE NAME OR THE BIRTHDATE WERE THE SAME.

But notice, David...the birthdate wasn’t part of the searchers input. That date came as the result of the Search. So, you have to ask, who was born on that date? If that date belongs to the person from Equatorial Guinea, then it was probably he who was born in January 1961.

And his name is what caused the amalgamation. And that would only happen if the man from Equatorial Guinea had the name of the Search Query. I’m sure you will be able to set this out better than I could, but after a number of years of using a similar service, it’s just plain elementary to me.

I would look at that result and conclude that the person I was looking for came from Equatorial Guinea, married Michelle and bought a house in IL. And his birthdate was probably January 8, 1961...because that would be the date on his passport at entry.

It would take me a while to realize there was a glitch - but eventually it would dawn...what you see relates to two people...who both had a record in the same name.


297 posted on 07/10/2012 3:50:48 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fractal Trader

The CAMBODIANA website has been up for years, there were a number of letters in praise of the kenyan - under a section with the heading REMENISCENCES - with photographs of the kenyan at a social event in the home of Arnold Nachmannof. One of the guests, sitting next to the kenyan student was identified as ANN/USA.

The letter I placed THE TEXT OF on this thread, was not part of the original webpage, it seems to have been added recently.

Just prior to the entire website being removed, it seems.

http://cambodiana.org/MainreasonsofmysupportofObama.aspx


298 posted on 07/10/2012 3:57:33 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: arasina

No membership card required, I replied before I read to the end of the thread, my bad.


299 posted on 07/10/2012 4:01:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Rona_Badger

I think his books hold many, many insights to the personality, though there is strong speculation that he didn’t write them.


Cashill (IIRC) proved that Ayers wrote “Dreams” and there is other evidence as well. That book was written as pure propaganda to give a “life story” so he could run for president.


300 posted on 07/10/2012 4:11:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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