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TSA Invades Chicago's Union Station
Youtube ^ | 7/8/2012 | 1776umphreys

Posted on 07/10/2012 12:02:40 PM PDT by JohnKinAK

Citizen video tapes TSA setting up checkpoint at Chicago's Union Station.

"As I entered Chicago's Union Station back on July 5th, I noticed 3 Fully Uniform TSA Agents sitting inside the office of Amtrak Police. I took out my cell phone and started to follow these TSA agents, and it appeared to me that they were setting up a Check Point for Amtrak Riders. This is just another example of how TSA expanding their operations and entering Train Stations, Bus terminals, and major sporting and concert events. Will Americans allow TSA to bring their intrusive Pat Downs on the road or finally take a stand and say NO!!"


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous
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1 posted on 07/10/2012 12:02:43 PM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

Wait, what?

I thought that if only we didn’t fly, we could choke of the TSA’s reason for being.

Silly me.


2 posted on 07/10/2012 12:07:44 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: JohnKinAK

My daughter in law got a parking ticket at the arriving flights passenger pickup area without even coming to a complete stop. I avoid Chicago at all costs. I consider it a just plain evil place.


3 posted on 07/10/2012 12:14:37 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: JohnKinAK

“You don’t professionalize unless you federalize”


4 posted on 07/10/2012 12:20:40 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: JohnKinAK

I have a feeling the Chicago gang bangers are going to react in a negative manner when the TSA brown....er, blue shirts..... try to pat down their crotches.


5 posted on 07/10/2012 12:21:17 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Obama.....He's got your back (pocket) so he can steal your wallet.)
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To: JohnKinAK

How common is train hijacking? How often do terrorists drive trains into buildings?


6 posted on 07/10/2012 12:23:57 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

The TSA watched Inception...


7 posted on 07/10/2012 12:25:57 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Darksheare

I have no idea what that is.


8 posted on 07/10/2012 12:28:12 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

A stupid movie that had Leonardo DiCaprio in it.
One scene has a train off the tracks in the middle of downtown.


9 posted on 07/10/2012 12:30:28 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: JohnKinAK

The chief of Amtrak police who previously threw TSA agents out of Amtrak stations just retired. The new chief apparently has a different mindset about these government-paid thugs.


10 posted on 07/10/2012 12:30:54 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Kirkwood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCXWtQUypN0&feature=player_detailpage#t=74s
The train scene.
Note, no tracks.
TSA must have watched this stupid movie.


11 posted on 07/10/2012 12:33:30 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: JohnKinAK
Yep, they started doing this a couple of years ago. They call them VIPR teams.

TSA rail, subway spot-checks raise privacy issues

I despise TSA.

12 posted on 07/10/2012 12:33:55 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Kirkwood

Are you friggin’ serious? Spain come to mind? How many people must die before your knee-jerk reaction syndrome is cured?


13 posted on 07/10/2012 12:42:56 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
I have a feeling the Chicago gang bangers are going to react in a negative manner when the TSA brown....er, blue shirts..... try to pat down their crotches.

They don't ride Amtrak, they take the subway/El system.
14 posted on 07/10/2012 12:44:56 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Stronger. You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid! "--Eros, Plan 9 From Outer Space)
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To: 1rudeboy
Are you friggin’ serious? Spain come to mind? How many people must die before your knee-jerk reaction syndrome is cured?

In that case, we need them everywhere, don't we?

Schools, shopping centers, gas stations, the entrance of every subdivision?

We must live in absolute safety if it kills us.

15 posted on 07/10/2012 12:49:04 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Are you friggin’ serious? Spain come to mind? How many people must die before your knee-jerk reaction syndrome is cured?

Bringing TSA into train stations does nothing to make the stations, the trains or their riders safer.

Heck, a would be bomber with his big bomb suitcase would simply get on the Bankers train from Chicago to NYC in Kokomo Indiana or some such. They can't have these TSA guys everywhere, and if they did, I think I'd rather take my chances than live in a surveillance society.
16 posted on 07/10/2012 12:49:57 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Stronger. You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid! "--Eros, Plan 9 From Outer Space)
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To: 1rudeboy
Are you friggin’ serious? Spain come to mind? How many people must die before your knee-jerk reaction syndrome is cured?

Were you weeping with emotion when you wrote that? Because if you weren't, then I'm just not seeing the empathy from you that we collectively need to get this job done at the end of the day.

17 posted on 07/10/2012 12:52:54 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Don’t forget street corners and crossroads, your bedrooms, your living roms, your kitchend, supermarkets. But, as you can tell from the responses, the slavation of the sheep is almost complete.


18 posted on 07/10/2012 12:53:48 PM PDT by sport
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To: Talisker

Aw shucks . . . facts bother you also? It’s ok to hate the TSA, just don’t be so gd stupid about it. Train lines and stations are targets of Al-Q. Fact.


19 posted on 07/10/2012 12:57:57 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Fact, AQ is not the target of choice for the TSA.
Nor is the TSA actually concerned with security.
If they were, they’d use the Israeli model to secure an airport.


20 posted on 07/10/2012 12:59:31 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: sport

The Heritage Foundation has an excellent report about the forty or so terrorist plots foiled in the U.S. since 2001. I suspect that you’d be surprised at some of the targets. baaah


21 posted on 07/10/2012 1:01:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Darksheare
Then that is the argument to make, instead of blathering some nonsense.
22 posted on 07/10/2012 1:04:21 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Then that is the argument to make, instead of blathering some nonsense.

Actually, that is the argument he made.

You blathered the nonsense in a purely emotional panic-support of an all-out police state.

23 posted on 07/10/2012 1:11:30 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: 1rudeboy

“Aw shucks . . . facts bother you also? It’s ok to hate the TSA, just don’t be so gd stupid about it. Train lines and stations are targets of Al-Q. Fact.”


FACT is thanks to people like you, TSA and the government in general will continue to expand into every aspect of our lives.

Al-Q wants to kill us all so using your surrender logic everyone needs their own TSA agent standing by.

Rather than being a cheese eating surrender monkey and not offend some 6th century sand monkeys by violating the 4th Amendment rights of every LEGAL USA citizen, we need to PURGE the country of these vermin. They are growing in numbers and the problem will only get worse with the TSA invading more and more of our everyday life.


24 posted on 07/10/2012 1:15:41 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Talisker

So you think #6 is a valid argument? And I’m the one that’s being emotional for pointing-out that terrorists have been targeting trains for decades?

What a clown parade.


25 posted on 07/10/2012 1:19:39 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Sorry, I’d rather be on the first bombed aircraft in flight, than be subject to gestapo tactics in my own nation.

The TSA has made it more clear than I ever could why.

I don’t fly unless it is impossible to travel other ways. Looks like I won’t be riding any more trains either.

Next I expect to have checkpoints on our highways. At that point, we will be a full blown police state on the level of NAZI Germany. We’re almost there now.

Show me your papers...
State your business...
What’s in your car...
Where are you going...
Where are you coming from...
What are your relatives names...
Who do you know...
Where do you work...


26 posted on 07/10/2012 1:21:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Wurlitzer
So now I've morphed into a defender of the TSA. For pointing-out that terrorists attack train stations. The stupid, it burns.
27 posted on 07/10/2012 1:23:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DoughtyOne

I simply stated a fact, and everyone feels the need to point out the slippery slope that I already see. Yet they cannot see how dumb post #6 was.


28 posted on 07/10/2012 1:27:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DoughtyOne
Next I expect to have checkpoints on our highways. At that point, we will be a full blown police state on the level of NAZI Germany. We’re almost there now.

You evidently don't drive around in the southwest very much as there are countless "Border Patrol" checkpoints on primary and secondary roads already and the number is increasing.

29 posted on 07/10/2012 1:34:01 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: 1rudeboy

You were the one who tried your best to live up to your screen name.

The rag heads will try to kill us anywhere not just airports and train stations and it is NOT a knee jerk reaction to push back and push back hard against the TSA as long as they continue to violate our 4th Amendment rights. To ignore the encroachment of government into our everyday lives is stupid. For the children, for your safety, classified... all the typical excuses used by government to usurp more and more power will not be tolerated by many of us and to call it a knee jerk reaction is stupid beyond belief.

The actions of the TSA need to be challenged via the 4th Amendment at airports, train stations, bus stations or anywhere they try to setup their gestapo force.


30 posted on 07/10/2012 1:34:27 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Talisker

Yikes... I was no fan of the creation of the TSA and the takeover of the airports, for starters... It wasn’t an airport security failure that led to 9-11. Those box cutters were perfectly legal to carry then. Heck... I always carried a fair sized folder whenever I flew back then.

That said... A dislike for the TSA is not a reason to think there should be no security attention at all on other forms of transportation like trains or buses. Thinking of Madrid... Yes, it should be tougher to walk onto a crowded train with a backpack full of explosives... Tougher than just moving through a turn style with a ticket. Having that thought doesn’t make somebody a boot-licker.


31 posted on 07/10/2012 1:35:20 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Wurlitzer

I will freely admit that I riducule people who make stupid comments on FR, and that I have been doing so for over a decade.


32 posted on 07/10/2012 1:41:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Kirkwood
How common is train hijacking? How often do terrorists drive trains into buildings?

About as common as driving ferrys into buildings. A few months ago I heard some friends had to go through a TSA search at the Galveston (Texas) ferry. It's a little 15 minute free state run ferry that runs between Galvestion island over to Port Bolivar and is mainly used by tourists to go across and turn around to get in line to return again. The wait in line is longer than the ride. I'm guessing the TSA was doing a test run since I haven't heard more about it. But even a test run brings up questions.

33 posted on 07/10/2012 1:45:08 PM PDT by bgill
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To: 1rudeboy
It’s ok to hate the TSA, just don’t be so gd stupid about it. Train lines and stations are targets of Al-Q. Fact.

A bomb in a backpack will kill maybe a dozen people. Somebody wants to do damage and kill people, he doesn't need to get ON a train -- he just needs to put something heavy enough to cause derailment on the tracks somewhere.

What's special about Amtrak that couldn't also be done on subways, buses or commuter rail?

This is all about conditioning people to accept control.

34 posted on 07/10/2012 1:49:48 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Good Lord. I mean, really. When I get home, I’ll post a link to the Heritage study. Subways (in the US) have been targeted multiple times. I’m on a cel phone, now.


35 posted on 07/10/2012 1:58:23 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: PapaBear3625

And as far as buses go, think London.


36 posted on 07/10/2012 2:00:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

The TSA won’t molest the gangs, they’ll pick out the white people to molest.


37 posted on 07/10/2012 2:08:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: VeniVidiVici
“You don’t professionalize unless you federalize”

The three in that video would not make the cut for most Mall Cop squads.

38 posted on 07/10/2012 2:09:45 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 1rudeboy
Buses, subways -- it is simply not feasible to have security checkpoints at every subway entrance or bus stop. It is not feasible to have security checkpoints at every mall entrance.

The only thing that IS feasible is to recognize that the source of the problem is radical Muslims, and get them out of the country.

39 posted on 07/10/2012 2:27:50 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Actually, I don’t really see post six as being out of line. I don’t know of a single terrorist related attack on U. S. soil involving a train in the last 100 years. Perhaps I’m forgetting something, but I don’t believe I am.

As for the Spain attack, I think you’re forgetting one thing. You achieve nothing by focusing on riders. You can strip folks naked, take everything away from them, and have them put on new clothes, before they board. All a person has to do is place a bomb anywhere on a three hundred mile track to achieve their goals.

Why do we allow people from terrorist states to come here? Why do we allow people who attend subversive anti-American meetings on a regular basis ride our aircraft or trains? Why don’t we deport the ones we can? Why don’t we deport just the leaders that preach this stuff?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2904937/posts?page=6#6


40 posted on 07/10/2012 2:28:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: 1rudeboy

How does harassing the passengers at one station protect passengers? It doesn’t. This is theater. You should understand that.


41 posted on 07/10/2012 2:36:29 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Dr. Sivana

“They don’t ride Amtrak, they take the subway/El system.”

I realized that after I posted, but seeing how the TSA (and most all other federal agencies) are all about mission creep and expanding their power, it won’t be long before we see the blue shirts on commuter trains and subways in major cities.


42 posted on 07/10/2012 2:39:13 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Obama.....He's got your back (pocket) so he can steal your wallet.)
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To: Don Corleone

You have a point there. It’s the same one that I would raise when we’re talking about fixes that government refuses to do, that then cause us to focus on citizens vs the foreign nationals who for the most part are causing the problems.

We won’t seal our border
We refuse to deport illegals
We allow people from terrorist states to come here
We allow Islamic leaders to denigrate the U. S. and advocate violence
We find out Islamic trainees are demanding to be taught how to fly a plane, but refuse to be taught how to land, and we do nothing

It’s a valid point to mention the road stops that are already authorized here. The vehicle code and sobriety checkpoints are another instance of this.

However, how many laws are on the books that force mandatory ten to twenty year prison terms due to a first or even second drunk driving conviction?

We have people on the road with six and seven convictions. then we have illegals on the road doing what they do. And we don’t deport them.

The federal government is going postal with draconian regulations, and the fix is to assign a military division to internal military maneuvers.

We all know where this leads. The public is being seen in terms of being Al Qaeda, the Taliban, or any other terrorist organization, if they dare speak up about unconstitutional matters, and the real terrorists get a free pass, which means we have to be the focus of even more scrutiny.


43 posted on 07/10/2012 2:41:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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44 posted on 07/10/2012 2:44:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DoughtyOne

Search VIPER chckpoints.

Highway searches are already here thanks to the goon squad and Janet


45 posted on 07/10/2012 2:58:31 PM PDT by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: JohnKinAK

I it ain’t broke the feds will fix it ‘til it is.


46 posted on 07/10/2012 3:05:38 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Ayn Rand: "In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win")
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To: BigpapaBo

Thanks for the mention.

Here’s an article I ran into:

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/15725035/officials-claim-tennessee-becomes-first-state-to-deploy-vipr-statewide

It documents VIPR reams working in Tennessee to prevent terrorism. So far as I know, there aren’t any roads blocked to stop all private vehicles headed in a certain direction. There may be articles about that I missed. I’m not sure.

I found this excuse for focusing on trucking to be down-right laughable.

“The random inspections really aren’t any more thorough than normal, according to Tennessee Highway Patrol Colonel Tracy Trott who says paying attention to details can make a difference. Trott pointed out it was an Oklahoma state trooper who stopped Timothy McVeigh for not having a license plate after the Oklahoma City bombing in the early 1990s.”

Elohim City close to the Arkansas/Texas border, had at least three undercover informants on the premises. Terry McVeigh came through and one of the informants did tip off the authorities. She was quite specific too, giving the names of two possible bombing targets, one of them the Murrah building in Oklahoma City.

Didn’t need truck stop VIPR teams to prevent that bombing. We don’t need them now either.

There are no viable grounds for creating a federal police force. End of story...

This will not end well. You start seeing normal citizens as the problem, and you’ll become paranoid beyond belief. We’re seeing that. Reason has left the building...


47 posted on 07/10/2012 3:22:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: DoughtyOne
There ya' go. Your bias against the TSA (that I share, incidentally), prevents you from seeing that the comment was ignorant of the all the attacks, attempted and actual, against train facilities across the world.

The only difference is that, despite my bias, I saw the comment for what it actually is.

48 posted on 07/10/2012 3:24:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: All
Fifty Terror Plots Foiled Since 9/11: The Homegrown Threat and the Long War on Terrorism. [Free Republic]
49 posted on 07/10/2012 3:30:56 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
There ya' go. Your bias against the TSA (that I share, incidentally), prevents you from seeing that the comment was ignorant of the all the attacks, attempted and actual, against train facilities across the world.

A lot of things happen around the world. Most of them don't take place here. And despite not having a federal police force on our soil prior to this time, nothing happened here with regard to trains.

I see this as merely more of a power grab, more union members, more Democrat votes.

The only difference is that, despite my bias, I saw the comment for what it actually is.

So did I. And I see it as quite logical on the face of it.

We do not need a federal police force. What we need is law enforcement and immigration enforcement that reduces the level of threat we face, so that contrivances are NOT required.

50 posted on 07/10/2012 3:57:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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